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PM Vajpayee - Identity "Cr(y)sis" ash_om 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM In contemporary Indian Politics, Prime Minister A B Vajpayee had carved a niche for himself as an intelligent, honest and charismatic leader. Although his charisma exudes more from his intrinsic qualities like poetry and literature, than his external appearances, he undoubtedly enjoys an envious patronage even in our nations’ youth (As is evident from the results of MTV-Brand Equity Survey). However, the “Prime Minister” Vajpayee has failed to live-up to the image of the lovable and dignified “Statesman” Vajpayee. He has succumbed to the pressures of the Great Indian Political Circus to become a ‘Joker’ for the Opposition and ‘Trump Card’ for the shaky (and ubiquitously greedy) allies of National Democratic Alliance. The farcical alliance of political parties led by the BJP would be left faceless without the leadership and charisma of Vajpayee. Ironically, in the current political scenario there is hardly any leader except PM Vajpayee, who qualifies or is credible and popular enough to lead the nation. However, for Prime Minister Vajpayee it is becoming increasingly difficult to sport his personal qualities and character to veil the wrongdoings of his government and ‘pet’ bureaucrats. The bungling and mumbling within the NDA and PMO (Mishandling of Agra Summit, UTI Crisis, Allegations against PMO, Tamil Nadu Crisis, Phoolan Devi’s Murder…to name just a few!!) has consequently led to rumbling by the opposition. Amidst such volatile circumstances the Prime Minister had no option but to do a “Political Stunt” that could create a brief crisis within NDA and Opposition, reminding them about the paucity of their choices. (Though it is equally probable that he genuinely desires to retire due to his age, health and “anxiety of failures”, but was pressurized by his party members to continue). Ultimately he may have successfully pulled-off a political gimmick, but has failed as a true statesman. He is seen fast retiring from his position amongst a rare genre of politicians who represent the untainted and unblemished face of otherwise Murky World of Indian Politics. Ashish Shukul Vadodara |
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spirit 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 1 of 30 ) Job of ruler is tough anywhere,for uneasy lies the head which wears crown.To manage India is tough(multi society,people very crooked/devious ).Indian bureaucracy has become uncontrollable/fat slowly from last 10-15 years.Then govt is today on support of quite a few parties. System is dysfunctional today,but people who set break down of system/morality of bureaucracy have gone years ago. corruption is legal in every govt department (from last many years),just today things are coming out in media(go for a license and ask your uncle 10-15 years elder how he got that).Any incident of scam gets reflected on top. India has multi dimensional problems.And we have a system where people come at top on connections,family etc.Do we have alternative real leaders.Or for that matter which PM succeded in India from independence.Basic problem of population no one could address/stop,which is negating growth we had till today.Other problem of corruption of govt/ politicians no politician spoke openly(or fought it/whenver most of them spoke it was for personal scores and to fool people to win elections).Contrary most PM supported both.Maybe very few minority politician is honest.Success is more a matter of marketing a right image to people(as companies and common people do),communication skills to impress people,people fooling skills(good/sweet at face,but morality to stab at back for gains),media/people manipulation skills,deceit.This is what may be previous rulers had.But today, maybe scamsters have become smart to fool govt today.Scams are here from years.But who was the best PM of India against whom present PM should be compared? |
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ssss 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 2 of 30 ) BJP has a identity crisis.Who is main strategist of BJP,atalji or advaniji.They show a hindu rashtra,but at sly millions of cows/buffalos have been slaughterd for meat(I came to know from holy shankracharya's strike).And what about media,it has not even given a story on how,why,where cows/buffallos are killed,people behind them(but give lot of coverage to film stars).Cows look pretty straight.Holybook of hindus "bhagvatam" says cow was dear to lord krishna ,a reincarnation of lord ram ,on issue of whose temple they have won elections saying it is a house of lord ram and not allah,when "bhagvad gita" another holy book of hindus say that ram and allah are 2 names of one god i.e there is one supreme god.I have got so confused about BJP and hindu rashtra.Please help. |
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ssss 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 3 of 30 ) BJP has a identity crisis.Who is main strategist of BJP,atalji or advaniji.They show a hindu rashtra,but at sly millions of cows/buffalos have been slaughterd for meat(I came to know from holy shankracharya's strike).And what about media,it has not even given a story on how,why,where cows/buffallos are killed,people behind them(but give lot of coverage to film stars).Cows look pretty straight.Holybook of hindus "bhagvatam" says cow was dear to lord krishna ,a reincarnation of lord ram ,on issue of whose temple they have won elections saying it is a house of lord ram and not allah,when "bhagvad gita" another holy book of hindus say that ram and allah are 2 names of one god i.e there is one supreme god.I have got so confused about BJP and hindu rashtra.Please help. |
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mbhale 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 4 of 30 ) Let us face it.. ABV is a honest,charismatic and strong orator.. he feels passionately about India..As a leader..he is not capable of delivering..that he has proven in the past. When he was Supremo of BJP, he could not increase BJPs' strength. It took the cunning,organisation man like Advani to take BJP to centrestage of politics. Atalji can not take any hard decisions, does not have a 'vision of India of his own' and more importantly has lost the will to 'do it'. It is irony of this nation that we can not find young leaders to lead the country. He might be acceptable choice, he might be the best compromise, but he can not be a leader who can take India out of crisis. Moroever his poetic ruling style is doing more harm than good. A tiny state such as B'Desh can take India for granted, you can kill a MP in Capital, the institution such as UTI collapses and govt is napping, all this proves.. He has failed to deliver.. It is high time he takes a sanyas and writes another 51 poems on failed leadership.. India is seeing another Bahadurshah Japhar.. |
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sudhasit 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 5 of 30 ) BJP’s NARSIMHARAO ! Your latest issue has just spoken the mind of the common man about BJP and Vajpayee. It is really disgusting to see Vajpayee in the Newspaper and on TV. It seems he is more bothered about the opinion of the world rather than his own people, particularly in regard to innocent people getting killed in Kashmir. Let him and the BJP not forget that they were given a mandate by the people for their tough stance against Muslim extremism. As a BJP voter since I became eligible to vote, I really pity the old man. He is too bothered about his own image as a mature statesman than his country. The common man on the street becomes very angry when he reads about these killings in Kashmir whereas our Prime Minister is like a statue in the Madame Taussad’s wax museum. I wonder whether he is expecting the Nobel prize for peace ! If it is so, will that be at the cost of my Indian brothers and sisters ? Look at Israel, the killing of even one soldier of theirs invites fierce retaliation by the Israeli armed forces. Nobody dares to cross their path. Whereas a “ machhar “ like Bangladesh & Pakistan dare to “ Urinate “ on the face of Vajpayee rather on the face of every nationalist Indian, because Vajpayee is a living dead. If Vajpayee has a little shame left he should not go to Pakistan, if he does so, that will reflect his solidarity with the people that got killed, post Agra talks. Bottom line : Though a woman, Mrs. Indira Gandhi was like a man, a tough leader, Unfortunate, we lost her. Vajpayee though a man, is like a Enuch ! S. Bhave |
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Tathagat 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 6 of 30 ) appa DeepO bhava Kaisey kaNhooN man ki baa..a'at... gibbrish rapparolla... or cag ko kaisey cag kiya... aur 'catch ko kaisey catch kiya' !?! need of the hour?!? get rid of this communal fascist stupid gobar chaap govt., in its desparation it wants 2 play with human lives... wanna bomb like the 'true men' uncle Sam... kHoob dhool jhonka miyaaN!!!... 24 ghante meiN turned the table... chittoed ool the scribes... all political animools... foooloved flat... lol... i would call it 'jhule laal dhobi pachhaR act III'... lol... u all know phirst and second... from BaabriDEMOlition2KaargillCONflict... ...and today Vajpayee said in the hse that... too much soch samajhke... that we r tooo cautious... is bullshit... (Kaargill helped them git here... with another adventure UP is their's and noo one calling 'kafan chor'... we know how much did u socha samjhaa... or was it really the party went outta hand... dec 6th... lol... killing so many people... leaving tens of thousand orphoned... u guys are monsters who play havoks with people's life... ah let me ear 'Masters of War' ageen... to stay in power u would dos anything and everything... kafan choroN ke sardaar... lol... Recalling Vajpayee's address to the nation(ATTN)... (Jaahilistan for now, though tathagat wanna make it a buddhistan soon enuff:) on December 13 when he declared that the fight against terrorism (and we are not 'kafan chors' btw, when u shout such slogans... how could we not start a war)' has reached a decisive phase, Addvaani must have said the supreme sacrifice ' shahidoN ki chitaaoN pe lageNge har baras maile... ya ke ham sarikhe jaahil V. Shantaram aur Rajkapoor pe bolainge... aur hamarey living casket pe rele tootengeiN... lol... made by the security personnel who lost their lives in this incident "will not be allowed to go in vain (and we wanna take atleast 500 lives off them and 250 of our own." ... Bin Laden Escape Could Destabilize Pakistan |
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Tathagat 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 7 of 30 ) appa DeepO bhava need of the hour... u say? get rid of this shameless dhoort/makkaar cowdung brand govt.,) ... remembering hearing off Sharad Joshi's mind... every effing political thing happened in here is effing Congress and 150 years on it will be Congress... than he said... Charan Singh is Congress and so is Chandra Shekhar... VP was already all congrace then... "Last week's attack on Parliament is undoubtedly the most audacious, (after the demolition of the Baabri Mosque... that was planned and so was this... callin' us kafan chor... haddd hoti hai... lol... laughs in Mahaabhaart ishtyle) and also the most alarming act of terrorism in the nearly five-decade-long stree of muslim-sponsored terrorism in India," Advani Raammandirwalla (no actually ee is jhulelaalwalla) must 'ave said. "Naturally, it is time for all of us gHunde, jaahil, dhoort, corrupt badsoorat inside out... lot in this august (lower) House, soon2be renamed Jhulelal bhavan... lol... and all of us in the country (where ever that is?), to ponder why the terrorists (NathuRAM Godsay & Co.,) (has any scribe asked this sindhi/brahmin duo... that how many times they saw GODse in person) and their backers (RSS) tried to raise the stakes so high, and end up in the seat of power... 2rerwrite history... with the farcicle socialist) particularly at a time when we are entering a new dawn... new millinium, a new century... Pakistan is claiming to be part of the international coalition against terrorism.... bagged more than 3 billion dollars... and loadz of other concessions... "The only answer that satisfactorily addresses this query is that Pakistan -- itself a product of the indefensible two-nation theory (which incidently started by Vir Savarkar in 1922 forcing Nationalist Jinnah... whose political mentor was non other than nationlist gokhle... to opt for it...), itself a theocratic state (which we privatly admire and aim2acquire) with an extremely tenuous tradition of democracy -- is unable to reconcile itself with the reality (Wow!!!) of a secular (look who is talkin'), democratic (kafan chor effin' dhoort Brahmin/ Bania oligarchy), self-confident (of a contract labour) and steadily pro(anti)gressing (disgracingdeclining and decayin') India, whose standing in the international community (by burning alive a do gooder whiteman along with two young children....) is getting inexorably higher with the passage of time, (aey jhulelaal bhakt, its not time which passes u moron, murderer of 3000 people atleast... Time is eternal... Time is always there... always will be... u and tathagat come and go... |
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Karapall 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 8 of 30 ) At this time of national crisis, it is disgusting to see you anti-national, traitorous scumbag strengthening the hands of the enemy by not standing behind our elected government. Even if you did not elect the BJP to power, this is not the time to demonstrate the lack of national unity. |
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perfect 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 9 of 30 ) tathagat plz clarify : r u in anyway tryin to imply that bjp is responsible for parliament bombing directly or indirectly?reply soon. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 10 of 30 ) tathaghat, you fucker stop your antinational ravings. you imbecile communist muslim lover. get out of india. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 11 of 30 ) i have to agree that though i am a supporter of vajpayee, his performance has been lacklustre. it is advani who built the bjp , not atalji. over the past few years the bjp has not delivered. it failed to construct the temple at ramjanmabhoomi (this is important and attests to hindu will). can the hindus take back what righfully belongs to them even by force if necessary. athousand years have past and hindus have failed to take back what belongs to them. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 12 of 30 ) the bjp has provided a government that resembles the congress. this is atrocious. the people wanted a new style and vajpayeee failed on that account also. the appeasement of the muslims continues.it ws necessary to take on the anti-national commie bastards. these necrophiles who pray to mao tse tung and Stalin, total antinational morons, filty bastards like jyothi Basu have not been confronted properly. these bengali nincmpoops have been allowed to dominate the english language news media (since the time of the stupid nehru)and write anti-national pieces for years and decades. again vajpayee failed to confront these scumbag communist retards. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 13 of 30 ) now, the final test. it is necessary to wipe out pakistan for its sins and hatred. to finlandize this illogical and illegal country that should not be allowed to exist. war is a complete necessity. a decisive war and complete and total war is the only answer to pakistan's perfidy. it should be wiped out never to challenge india. it should be broken into pieces to never again insult india. this is abvs final test. if he develops cold feet and lets pakistan off the hook, we can as well get the scumbag congress fellows back. why have an imposter congress govet. when we can have the real congress govt. this is vajpayees test. total destruction of pakistan or back to congress bullshit and perpetual danger to india. |
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jeevanje 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 14 of 30 ) Vajpayee is nothing but a mukhota. A creation of the media. Without media, Vajpayee is a big zero. What are the achievements of this BJP (mis)governement? Scamster Governemnt. Now the lootings are in Crores of Rupees. Tomorrows advertisement... For Sale..For Sale... INDIA. by Vajpayee. Only foreign bids are acceptable. |
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bob147 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 15 of 30 ) To expect the NDA to undo in 3 years what previous governments have taken 50 years to twist is grossly unfair. It is very easy to sit in front of your computer screens and judge - but before you all continue with your misgivings, bear in mind that Vajpayee is probably the fairest PM that India has had after Rajiv Gandhi. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 16 of 30 ) vajpayee may be a good soul but he has been an utter failure. the bjp has failed to make any headway in it's basic goals - common civil code, ayodhya temple, elimination of terrorism, and strong treatment of pakistan and bangladesh. he has failed on every count. we should judge him by the results not intentions. i waited decades for the bjp to come to power and undo what the congress did. alas, the bjp is behaving just like the congress. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 17 of 30 ) there is no difference in the performance of the bjp and congress governments. the bjp has abandoned its ideals and is trying to be a congress party. this is bullshit. vajpayee trip to lahore was a collosal mistake. even more collosal was his invitation to musharraf at agra. he should own up to these mistakes. he did nothing when bangladesh killed 18 indian soldiers. the indian army should have been knocking on the doors of dacca. vajpayee has done nothing to pakistan and is talking of diplomatic solution even now after the latest parliament attack. it is time for the bjp to question vajpayee and ask him what he is doing. state governments have beeen lost, kashmir problem has increased and the hurriet is misbehaving unbelievably. is this why we elected the bjp and vajpayee, to behave like congress morons. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 18 of 30 ) continued silence on the part of the bjp rank and file will spel disaster. it is time to question vajpayee and ask him about our goals - common civil code, elimination of article 370 on kashmir, elimination of terrorism, strong foreign policy, end to muslim appeasenment. none of this has been even hinted at. sorry gentleman, i am a life long bjp partyman. i am disappointed with vajpayee. he has to go. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 19 of 30 ) now the comical news from khatmandu. this is beginning to sound ridiculous. musharraf has a change of heart. how stupid can we get. there is no end to this. that too from vajpayee. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 20 of 30 ) either he is senile or the bjp has lost it. vajpayees musings are dangerous vis a vis pakistan. i was astonished that he expects friendship from that country. has he gone completely bonkers or is it a game. if curent trends continue we can expect 20 more years of terrorism in kashmir. either vajpayee has gone mad or lacks the will to tackle the situation. thee is no alternative to war with pakistan. with 20-30 nuclear devices pakistan is acting funny beyond measure. imagine a few years from now when they have a hundred bombs. they will blackmail india into submission. there is grave danger to the country. either vajpayee acts now to end the menace ot throw him out. enough of lahore, agra, trains, and buses. total war is the only answer. finish pakistan. |
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bob147 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 21 of 30 ) luwmann, I appreciate your sentiments and believe me, am as angry at the state of affairs as you are.....any true patriot would be. However about the points that you have raised, you are talking about things is as if it was like plucking tamarinds from the tree in the school courtyard. Let us look at what we have. Atal Behari Vajpayee is probably the best patriot at the helm in the current scenario. Attacking Pakistan militarily is not as simple as inviting a nuke attack...as if this is not bad enough considering Pakistan's suicidal tendencies, but the entire World will turn against us. At this point of time, instead of being fanatic, Vajpayee has taken the right path of garnering the support of the entire World in pressurizing Pakistan to give the proxy war. Ofcourse there is China sucking up to Musharraf but that is simply because they feel threatened by India's progress into the new World. The royal snub to Pak is beginning to work....u ought to watch and see what Pak does next. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 22 of 30 ) mr bob147, thanks for your comments. i have to agree to disagreee. i did not wait all these years for the BJP to be what it is today. Vajpayee has been weak on pakistan. he thinks he can reason with them. sorry, that is never possible. i can assure you. if that is the case why not just have a congress govt. and not pretenders. vajpayees dangerous musings are a mirror to his thoughts. this soft pedalling will land india in great trouble. what we need is strong military action against pakistan. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 23 of 30 ) india should not care for world opinion. the world respects strength and those who use it. look to china for example. indians have turned out to be cowards even the BJP. i have been a life long supporter of the BJP (Jan Sangh). This BJP has lost its roots. We are 7 times bigger than Pakistan and are we afraid to fight these bastards. as soon as we finish pakistan the world will respect us much more. both uSA and China will show new respect fro india. they will fear us. fear is very important in foreign policy. the reason india was attacked and continues to be attacked is because no body fears us. why does pakistan act like a peon (chaprasi)in front of the USA. with india they misbehave and act arrogant. they do this because hindus have no self-respect. those who do not have self-respect will be disrespected by others. that is the problem with india and hinus in particuylar. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 24 of 30 ) pakistan will not use nukes. just imagine. thay have 20-30 half working nukes today and look at their arrogance. what do you think will happen 10 years from now when they have 100 nukes. i want to ask you something. why is pakistan not afraid to indulge in these terrorist activities against a country 7 times it's size. think about it. would pakistan help the muslim separatists in china. if they do, chine will nuke them and finish them off. vajpayee has turned out to be a fool my dear fellow. another comgtresswalla. god help us and our country. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 25 of 30 ) the factv that hindus are shameless should be gauged by what is happening. since the kathmandu summit more than a dozen hinds and sikhs have been targeted in kashmir. pakistan is continuing to push terrorists into india just yesterday. how long are we going to tolerate this nonsense. what international opinion are you talking about. the usa britian etc. do noty want war for their own selfish reasons. they want to use pakistan as a permanent irritant for india against india to serve their own purpose. and india is stupid as usual, not having the guts to fight. when will we learn. it has been a thousand yeras. look at the indian newspapaers corrupt communist bastards on pakistani payroll, all against the war. they do not want war because they want terrorism to continue, to blead india and then destroy it. this is pakistani money that can buy any indian jouirnalist for a few rupees. my dear friend, no peopel have sunk to these depths of corruption. the hindus are to blame for this. respect yourself and protect your country if not others will take advantage of you. it is sickening to read these bastard commies who have complete control over the news media in india. |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 26 of 30 ) i am sorry vajpayee has failed. i say this with a heavy heart. we need a change immediately. |
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Ravan 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 27 of 30 ) luvvmn- Calm down. I am the Indian who does understand you! Fuck Pakistan! |
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luvvmann 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 28 of 30 ) thanks ravan. |
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balla 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 29 of 30 ) hello people i am AN Indian who is produly to say that india is a fucking country and is fucked up in everything. fuck india fuck india india is ghando fuck india india fucking india and fucking it hindu people |
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gandalf 8/4/2001 1:07:25 AM ( 30 of 30 ) Just something that I found interesting. Balla's email ID is jackass@yahoo.com. Obviously some Paki who thinks a jackass is a fearsome beast or an Indian trying to whip up sympathy. Ontly thing certain is it or he/she can be ignored as a poor juvenile fool. |
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