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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 1 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava RSS — The "SANGH" What is it,and what it is... not? RSS, Shiv Sena, and their admiration of fascism Dr. Hedgewar, the RSS founder, propounded the idea that national unity would only come about if it was declared that all non-Hindus in India, such as Muslims and Christians, do not form a part of the nation. This was because, in his opinion, non-Hindus deny Hindu traditions, ideals, and culture. Hedgewar indoctrinated this idea into his hand-picked protégé Madhavrao Sadasivrao Golwalkar (more commonly known as Guruji—"the teacher"), again from Nagpur. The most comprehensive statement of this exclusionary idea was made in Mr. Golwalkar's book "We or Our Nationhood Defined" published in 1938. [4] The pamphlet-like book has so many laudatory references to Hitler and his theories of racial supremacy that it became embarrassingly uncomfortable for the RSS to continue its publication and was soon withdrawn from circulation. It would be worthwhile to cite a few excerpts here: "German race pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up the purity of the race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races—the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole—a good lesson for us in Hindusthan (i.e., the land of Hindus) to learn and profit by." This is the lesson the "Guruji" wants Sangh volunteers to learn: "From this standpoint sanctioned by the experience of shrewd old nations, the non-Hindu peoples in Hindusthan must either adopt the Hindu culture and language, must learn to respect and hold in reverence the Hindu religion, must entertain no idea but the glorification of the Hindu race and culture, i.e., they must not only give up their attitude of intolerance and ungratefulness towards this land and its age-old traditions, but must also cultivate the positive attitude of love and devotion instead; in one word, they must cease to be foreigners or may stay in the country wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any preferential treatment, not even citizen's rights." In the Belly of the Beast The Hindu Supremacist RSS and BJP of India An Insider’s story By Partha Banerjee Jan Sangh: The BJP's Predecessor By Bipan Chandra The Fascism of the Sangh Parivar : By Sumit Sarkar |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 2 of 268 ) Off course without a doubt the BJP is a fascist organisation. The BJP's ideological sustenance is drawn from the RSS. The RSS is the epitome of right reactionary forces. It's products stand out with thier anti-deluvian mindsets, supremacists to boot. The other face of the coin (which has the Jamaat Islami on one side).It stands for a flawed concept of nationhood. Proof enough of this flawed concept is a failed theocratic state as a hostile neighbour (whose claims to our land is based solely on a two nation concept!) The indoctrination at the RSS shakhas is all about a glorious past ,which can be ushered in once more by unquestioningly building a Hindu Rashtra. No room for a mutlicultural, secular society. No room for intellectual rigour or a conscience. Blindly following what the leadership tells you, without questioning is a neccessity, as also is discipline. Not too different in approach from the brown shirts are the khaki shorts. Obviously 'conscientious objection' is for the dishonest and the indsciplined not for the Swaymsevaks! The BJP leadership is with a very few exceptions loaned by the RSS. How can they be any different? FASCISM is their true and only identity. Intimidation and coercion is thier staple diet so long as they can pull the wool over the ostrich like and Self centered (though cowardly) Indian middle class. It is a tribute to the Indian voting public that this party of thugs and fascists has never come near an absolute majority in Parliament. It was rightfully a political pariah till George Fernandes sold his socialist conscience for a mess of pottage.It will not be long before it gives the opportunistic member parties in its ND alliance the full taste of its Fascism and thier just deserts for their opportunism. Mrs G will look like a novice in the full force of these indoctrinated thugs. We are not too far from the final act unless someone pulls the plug on this venal government. The BJP will be better of being sent to Afghanistan for a cleansing it truly deserves as the last rites from their comrade in arms the retreating taliban. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 3 of 268 ) lehar, Clearly, cretins like you dont understand the first thing about fascism, so let me beat in a few concepts about fascism into the thick skulls of your kind. Fascism entails the following: a centralized autocratic govt. headed by an autocratic leader (India is headed by a coalition, of which BJP is one part), severe economic and social regimentation (One of the richest men in India is a muslim, and the rich in India are from all religions and origins), and forcible suppression of the opposition (last I heard, the opposition was in parliament making complete asses of themselves as usual). Morons like Lehar and the hare-brained twit who started this topic without understanding the first thing about fascism need to get an education before they get down to demonizing hindus. IT just exposes the whole lot of you as narrow-minded, anti-hindu zealots who have more in common with fascists than you would care to accept. |
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asif 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 4 of 268 ) dear karapall, hi, why are you always so angry and always think that you are the last word on everything under the Sun. And please for good sake debate in a civilized manner. BJP my dear friend is just one head of a many headed Hydra which goes by name of RSS. And I must tell you RSS fulfills all the characterstics of a Fascist organisation, as described by you, though I don't agree with all of that. RSS has an autocratic leader, who is as we all know the last word in his organistion, which we all know is not democratic in it's functioning. So please think before opening your mouth, as an arabic proverb goes that "we are masters of our unsaid words and slaves of those we let slip by". |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 5 of 268 ) Asif, Well, well, you true muslim colors come out. It never ceases to amaze me how bigoted muslims like you who cant accept a uniform civil code have the gall to accuse the hindus of bigotry. In any case, care to explain why you claim that the RSS satisfies the definition of fascism but why the Jamaat-e-islami does not?? If you have the brains and the honesty to do so, that is. By the way, cretins like you should understand that fascism applies to political movements, not private organization. But given your overall stupidity, I would have to beat that idea into your thick skull with a jackhammer before you get an inkling. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 6 of 268 ) Asif, Well, well, you true muslim colors come out. It never ceases to amaze me how bigoted muslims like you who cant accept a uniform civil code have the gall to accuse the hindus of bigotry. In any case, care to explain why you claim that the RSS satisfies the definition of fascism but why the Jamaat-e-islami does not?? If you have the brains and the honesty to do so, that is. By the way, cretins like you should understand that fascism applies to political movements, not private organization. But given your overall stupidity, I would have to beat that idea into your thick skull with a jackhammer before you get an inkling. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 7 of 268 ) Cleo, BJP is the ruling party, you moron. It is the responsibilty of the ruling party to frame laws depending on the situation facing the country. As for fascist tendencies, no one has displayed more fascist tendencies than the commie aholes in the CPI(M) in west bengal and in Kerala. These guys dont take dissent against their intellectually bankrupt ideology very kindly. Let us take a look at reality now shall we? Acts of terrorism in southern states have been steadily on the rise, and they have almost exclusively been committed by islamic terrorists and extremists. One would think that fellow indians would view this situation with concern and see the need for more machinery to grab these terrorist BEFORE they kill more indians. But what do we see?? We see terrorist sympathizers and political oppurtunists crying themselves hoarse. The worst part is that you assholes dont have the decency to shed a tear for the brave Indian soldiers who do a thankless job and give up their lives in kashmir and elsewhere in India on a daily basis. With despicable, terrorist sympathizing vermin like cleo and Lehar, external threats to India are a far lesser problem in comparison to the traitorous assholes who populate our own country. |
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luvvmann 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 8 of 268 ) karapall for president. you have my vote. these vermin hindu liberals and communist traitors along with their brethren muslim fanatic morons are ahvinbg a field day in india taking advantage of hindu hospitality and tolerance. these mfuckers should be sent to taliban land and saudi arabia to live in hell. bastards like tathagat brainless communist rat is an affront to the country. strip this moron of indian citizenship and send him to china to pray to mao tse dong. he can sit beside his dead body in peking and pray to his god. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 9 of 268 ) luwmann, These morons would not be allowed to enter china, and would probably end up as a sheik's girlfriend if they did set foot in Saudi Arabia. The only place chaotic enough put up with human debris like tathagath is Mother India. |
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rav666 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 10 of 268 ) Karapall, I'm just taking the points you have made with regd to this topic (leaving out the trash): >Fascism entails the following: a centralized autocratic govt. headed by an autocratic leader (India is headed by a coalition, of which BJP is one part), It is a stroke of luck that BJP hasn't got an absolute majority. Otherwise, the situation would be more or less like what you describe >severe economic and social regimentation (One of the richest men in India is a muslim, and the rich in India are from all religions and origins) - Reg. economics, we are aware of the SJM and RSS's cowdung agenda. If these guys had absolute power, we maybe seeing some of these radical theories being put in practice - Reg. Social, we are aware how the Vanara Sena in Mumbai is out to get ppl who dont subscribe to its cutural values - opposition to Valentine's Day, Dating in public, a painter's freedom of expression etc etc. I guess you are liable to be arrested even if you are found on the streets with a condom in your pocket. That's how the culture police works in Mumbai. We also know how students of this great country will be studying 'Story' instead of 'History' and Astrology instead of Astronomy under the auspices of a BJP led initiative to 'modernize' the education in this country. >and forcible suppression of the opposition (last I heard, the opposition was in parliament making complete asses of themselves as usual). Are you naive to believe that POTO is out to get terrorists (that TADA couldn't)? It's out to get Opposition and criminalize dissent! |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 11 of 268 ) Hi ravsaheb good to see you back. I quite appreciate your arguments and agree with them largely. Moving from the sublime ravsaheb to the ridiculous Karapall. It is late night for me but let me make an intial response. You are just amazing. The foul language that you use. The complete lack of substance in your arguments. Pl stop being abusive. If you do not stop this abusive tirade I will just use the filters to deal with your foul language and pathetic knowledge appropriately. BLANK YOU OUT AS A PERSON INCAPABLE OF REASONED DEBATE. WHO WOULD RATHER USE FOUL AND ABUSIVE LANGUAGE,PETTY NAME CALLING AND LIES TO JUSTIFY A VIEW AND TO SILENCE REASONED DEBATE. BTW. Are you under artistic license????? Where in Hades did you get the definition of Fascism from ? Nagpur ???? Before I even attempt to correct your completely flawed understanding and factual inaccuracy may I suggest that you visit a site that defines fascism (TO MY MIND FAIRLY AUTORITATIVELY). Unless off-course your bluster of being all knowing gives you more authority on defining Fascism than Mussolini. http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html A cursory reading of this will tell you where the RSS stands. If you know where the RSS stands you will know where the BJP and the BJP led NDA stand with an RSS member as Prime Minister. A Prime minister who claims that he has the RSS ideology coursing his veins together with his mothers milk !!!!!! BTW. Most senior BJP members even today attend RSS programs and have been LOANED BY THE RSS TO THE BJP to begin with . Do you dispute this ??? Also , do you approve of the complete abuse of government machinery to DESTROY (perceived threats ???) . For more on this pl. visit Prem Shankar Jha’s article in the current outlook. Unless offcourse he too is a cretin in your infinite wisdom !!!!!! Give me a break... Good night ! |
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thetruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 12 of 268 ) Fascist or whateever ... What about the parties of traitors like Congress , CPI etc ? Congress is the party responsible for the worsening situation in Kashmir , Congress is the party who donated half of kashmir to PIGSTAN . COngress is the party capable of doing all kind of harm to India . Congress is the party who doesn't see the influx of millions of bangladesis to India , Congress is the party who doesn't want to see the danger bangladeshi immigrants causing to India , Congress is the party who is so skillfully using all these bangladeshis as vote-bank ... ABOVE ALL CONGRESS IS BEHIND THE CREATION OF PAKISTAN ... CONGRESS EVEN TRIED TO BEFRIEND DAWWOOD IBRAHIM BY CASTING DAWOOD-AID RAMESH SHARMA IN DELHI ELECTION .... CONGRESS IS NOW SHOWING ITS DEARNESS TOWARDS THE TERRORISTS IN KASHMIR BY OPPOSING POTO ....... BJP MAY BE THE BEST OF THE WORST ... BUT BJP HAVE PATRIOTS .... CONGRESS HAVE TRAITORS IN ITS FOLD .. |
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thetruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 13 of 268 ) Who are not FASCISTS ? CONGRESS GOVT BANNED THE SATANIC VERSES in India . So CONGRESS IS NOT FASCIST ??? RSS opposed MF Hussain darwing Hindu GODDESS naked ??? SO RSS IS FASCIST ??? |
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thetruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 14 of 268 ) Who is Fascist ???? Let us stop discussing it . ............... At this moment India doesn't need some human Rights acivits or preacher of non-violence . India need some brave and cruel warriors who will murder the enemies of India , the terrorists in Kashmir with utmost brutallity . ISRAEL has set an example for us . India needs some people who will prefer to commit the worst possible crimes if it is good for India, who will prefer 1000s of year in hell for their works if it helps India ....... |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 15 of 268 ) Lehar, The definition of fascism is from the Webster Dictionary, you worthless cretin. One would have thought that you would first check the meaning of such words before you randomly start bandying them about. Rav666, So, in effect you are saying that BJP is not fascist. I am glad we got that cleared up. Here's a word of advice: use words only if you know their meanings, else you are making a complete donkey of yourself. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 16 of 268 ) Lehar, I see you protesting against use of strong language to denounce the likes of you. I would take you more seriously if you had anything substantial to say, instead of all you worthless schoolmarmish utterings. Get an education and borrow a few brain cells from your family members, and try to react to the various facts presented to you instead of whining about the language, you cretinous recto-cranial invert. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 17 of 268 ) Lots of people seem to have a problem with understanding the meaning of fascism, mostly because they have not bothered to read up on various fascist movements in history. Until you lot make some effort to understand what it entails, all you rhetoric is just worthless hot air. The congress party made the Indian govt. the private property of one family and set the example for manyh corrupt state governments. There are various institutional problems in India, but Indians need to look at how americans stand behind their government EVEN IF they disagree with them. This is because, unlike the cretin lehar, they know that if they show any lack of cohesion internally, the situation will be exploited by external forces. |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 18 of 268 ) Karapall your foul language is amazing. You would make the right spokesperson for the Bajrang Dal or the fascist BJP !!! You are at the wrong place. Why are you referring me to the Webster for fascism and ignoring the Political father of fascism Mussolini ( have you heard of him ?) and HIS definition of fascism. You have a problem there? You obviously have no intention of reasoned debate. Hurling abuse and petty name calling is your sole purpose. You can easily fetch a ministership with the BJP and its merry band of thugs and ill mannered louts ! BTW you need the Webster more than anyone else if anything to correct the foul , abusive and intemperate language ...which seems the only language you know and cherish. Even writing these few lines for sad cases like you is too much. It is a complete waste of my time. Go find yourself a shrink . You are a pathological case .... also find .. someone else as ill-informed as you to palm off your juvenile B.S, not on my time. |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 19 of 268 ) BTW , Karapall did you at all read the article by Prem Shankar Jha in the current outlook or do you think facts and the truth are irrelevant in the face of your diatribe. And Jha is just one other person to be showered with your verbal abuse ? You would do well to visit the website I invited you to ..though YOU SUGGEST you know more about FASCISM than Mussolini (by reading webster !) If you were humble enough to realise that your bluff has been called a while ago YOU WOULD AT LEAST MAKE SOME effort to read if a SEMBLANCE OF DEBATE is what you intended..rather than foul mouthed verbiage ! I wish I could return the complement and request you to borrow a few brain cells from your family... BUT I am sure you will NOT find anything like a brain cell in your extended family if you exemplify the family that fed you and encouraged your pathetic vocabulary ! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 20 of 268 ) Lehar, I see, so your problem is that you claim your definition of fascism is more valid than the accepted definition of fascism as defined the webster, eh?? The funniest part is seeing an ignoramus like you who considers mussolini a better source for meanings of words than the webster, complaining about the vocabulary of others. This is just hilarious. Besides, if you want to insult me, at least be original, instead of copying my insults. As they say, "imitation is the sincerest form of flaterry", and I am quite flattered. Thank you. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 21 of 268 ) Lehar, The only foul mouthed idiots who seem to stall parliamentary debate are the primates in the Kaangress party and their various affiliates. The BJP has done an exemplary job of calling for a debate on various issues. The standard response of the jokers in the opposition is to fling a chappal at another MP or to walk out of the house. If you cretins are going to find faults with the workings of the current government, the least you can do is put some effort to point out actual problems with their style of functioning. You need to give the devil his due if you want to be taken seriously. |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 22 of 268 ) K .......you seem to have a problem of comprehension. In the case of fascism you know that the POLITICAL aspect of FASCISM was INSTITUTED BY MUSSOLINI don't you ? Are you questioning EVEN that ? If you are not, then are YOU challenging the correctness of Mussolinis definition OF FASCISM and that too with the help of YOUR webster??? GIVE ME A BREAK PL !!!!!!! Go visit the site I have given you as reference before your pet name calling ..this time ignoramus...am afraid you don't realise how innane your argument sounds i.e. YOU and your Webster know more about FASCISM than MUSSOLINI..YOU just can't expect to be taken seriously ? Where in hades did I suggest that Mussolini is the better source for ascertaining the meaning of English words OTHER THAN FASCISM ? YOU GET FALTTERED QUITE EASILY !!! Why for heavens sake would I want to copy a person as foul mouthed as you ???!!!! YOUr rightful place is spokesperson for the Bajrang Dal and the party of the apes !!! You sure have an ego. Have you been checked for megalomania recently ? If you haven't , rest assured that this is one area you will emerge with flying colours !! |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 23 of 268 ) Sorry I didn't use a word check K------in my earlier message what was meant is you get FLATTERED QUITE EASILY... offcourse to falter is a natural course for you and your webster which has book marks on the foulest of language...and presumptive logic !!!! You are obviously an all knowing new visitor to this site. How else could you divine that I support the Congress ?? BTW I live in the US. Do you live at Tora Bora ? Have you heard of the washington Post ,which prints in normal ( non abusive english)... Go read it before you try to tell us about life in the US Pal. You will finally out your webster to good use..now go get lost in your drain pipe or the wood work ! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 24 of 268 ) Lehar, You cretin, cant you even understand that the webster definition is derived from historical facts, not the other way around. Or are you suggesting that Mussolini modeled himself after the webster definition. Of all the worthless imbeciles I have come across, you take the cake, pal. Oooh, you are from amrika, saar?? Oh exalted one, how could I have misjudged you. After all you know about papers like washington post...you are sooo cool. By the way, I have lived all over the planet over the past few decades and I come across Indian dickheds like you on a regular basis, and I never miss an oppurtunity to piss on the likes of you. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 25 of 268 ) Lehar, You are an easy target and I am having a lot of fun yanking your chain and watching you dance. Joy, oh joy. |
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Cleo 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 26 of 268 ) BTW rav666,could you start a discussion thread on the Enron Saga and its ramifications on the DPC. After all Enron, owes a lot to our neo fascists After all, you don't spend 20 MM educating the uninitiated. Today the chickens are coming home to roost. What is not acceptable in California (even with high texan connections) cannot be acceptable in India |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 27 of 268 ) K ------- enough of your drivel. You are filtered out from now on. Have always been a firm believer in defending the others right to have and express an opinion, even when I do not agree with it. However, when what is being fed is not an opinion but a diatribe. Not facts but fiction, it is better to move away. It is no debate. As have argued before. If muzzling of dissent needed any proof Prem Shankar Jha’s article in the current Outlook gives it in fairly graphic detail. This IS INDEED Fascism and the BJP establishes its credentials as a fascist organization. Today is also the anniversary of the Babri demolition. Was in Bombay on that fateful day when the vandals took over and the constitution of India suffered its worst onslaught (worse than the 42 nd constitutional amendment) as historical wrongs were corrected. Those vandals who were political pariahs are today transmogrified into Central ministers. The wonder of our democratic system and Machiavellian politics! For those who have lived in Bombay wherever we are it always is sheer nostalgia thinking of the wonderful city. 6 December was the day the heart of Bombay encountered an infarction. Things can never be the same thanks to the Fascist RSS and its political arm the BJP. From family still in the city, Life I understand has never been the same thereafter. We gazed stunned at the television as an adamant Advani, ,was on B.B. C. JUSTIFYING THE VANDALISM. This could not be our spokesman. (Recently he was as usual misleading when he was expressing the Babri demolition as a sad day of his life.) I am convinced that the BJP is a fascist organization and it is ironical that their leading acolyte is a two timing socialist. History repeats itself. The farce is on ! |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 28 of 268 ) K ------- enough of your drivel. You are filtered out from now on. Have always been a firm believer in defending the others right to have and express an opinion, even when I do not agree with it. However, when what is being fed is not an opinion but a diatribe. Not facts but fiction, it is better to move away. It is no debate. As have argued before. If muzzling of dissent needed any proof Prem Shankar Jha’s article in the current Outlook gives it in fairly graphic detail. This IS INDEED Fascism and the BJP establishes its credentials as a fascist organization. Today is also the anniversary of the Babri demolition. Was in Bombay on that fateful day when the vandals took over and the constitution of India suffered its worst onslaught (worse than the 42 nd constitutional amendment) as historical wrongs were corrected. Those vandals who were political pariahs are today transmogrified into Central ministers. The wonder of our democratic system and Machiavellian politics! For those who have lived in Bombay wherever we are it always is sheer nostalgia thinking of the wonderful city. 6 December was the day the heart of Bombay encountered an infarction. Things can never be the same thanks to the Fascist RSS and its political arm the BJP. From family still in the city, Life I understand has never been the same thereafter. We gazed stunned at the television as an adamant Advani, ,was on B.B. C. JUSTIFYING THE VANDALISM. This could not be our spokesman. (Recently he was as usual misleading when he was expressing the Babri demolition as a sad day of his life.) I am convinced that the BJP is a fascist organization and it is ironical that their leading acolyte is a two timing socialist. History repeats itself. The FARCE IS ON! |
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rsajan 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 29 of 268 ) I am sorry that I am unable to comprehend the earlier messages. It could be that current English is beyond an elderly man like me. In the Indian variety of democracy, all political parties are Fascist to the extent that they have closed minds, hate criticism and would never accept dissent. Such character began to be shamelessly exhibited from Indira Gandhi’s time. The Communist parties alone used to put down dissent ruthlessly before Indira. The LN Mishra murder had occurred even before the Emergency. It was after her trail that one-man parties, floated for a single individual leader’s progress, started mushrooming. Present day examples are AIADMK, Chandrasekhar’s party, Shiv Sena, BSP, RJD, SJP etc. Even the Congress is a one-woman party. Its leader, steeped in true Italian and Emergency-Indian traditions, will teach Indians more about Fascism in the days to come. Her father was a life-long admirer of the Duce and had been a strong influence on the growing daughter. Few parties can thus claim a non-leader agenda in India. This however, cannot be said of the BJP. The party is all about traders looking after their profits, utilising a Nationalist programme. Nevertheless, dictatorial trends of the Congress sort have not been successfully grown therein yet. This might happen during Advani’s time, though. Until such time, describing the BJP as Fascist would be merely partisan. R. SAJAN, Cochin, Kerala |
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uglyftp 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 30 of 268 ) Yep Cleo ! You Said it ! BJP is indeed are Fascist. But which political party in power hasn't been ? Every party which came to power have had only their own personal agendas on their mind. I have interacted with members of the parties many a times. The only thing every one of them wanted was (and is) money and power. Power to bend the rules, and in cases make new rules, in their favour. If you can point and show me even one party which can be even classified as Non-Facist, I'll quite what ever I'm doing and support them in any way I can ! :) |
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sal 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 31 of 268 ) My coming New Year's Eve Party.... just kidding.. :) Yeah, they're all the same, except this one's worse. |
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asif 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 32 of 268 ) That BJP is a fascist organisation is beyond any resonable doubt. Infact RSS had sent one it's members to Italy to study how the schools there were imparting fascist propaganda and also imparted military training to youth under Mussolini[ if anyone wants the gory details you can read aug-sep 2000 issue of communalism combat]. No points for guessing from where the RSS guys got idea of military training in shakas. RSS is multi headed Hydra and BJP is it's political head, it has other heads also like SJM, BAJRANG DAL etc. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 33 of 268 ) As rsajan has correctly said, most political parties have little or no inner party democracy in them. It is usually the fiefdom of some laloo yadav or sonia gandhi. As for Asif, this ahole seems to point fingers at the BJP while conveniently ignoring the fascistic behavior of the Jamaat-e-islami and the hateful and despicable behavior of Syed Imam Bukhari and his cohorts. The worst part is that bigoted aholes like asif DELIBERATELY point fingers elsewhere just so that no one questions the communal bigoted behavior most Indian muslims of Syed Bukhari type seem to indulge in. I am no fan of the RSS or VHP, but they are doing a good job ripping off the mask from the likes of Syed Bukhari or Syed Shahabuddin. |
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asif 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 34 of 268 ) Dear karpall, I must admit your mind is like a soup dish, wide and shallow. You make assumptions, without any basis. I think that the worst that can happen to Indian Muslims is to have a leader like Imam Bukhari, it's more dangerous for muslims than even BJP. And the less said about jamate... the better, they are only good for making speeches and have done nothing for muslims of india for last 50 years. But at same time I am equally critical of BJP and it's cohorts for spreading fascist propaganda and making there political carrers out of inciting roits, etc. |
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rkumar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 35 of 268 ) Debates are good.Lot of real power statesman held debates and did their own by making people fight over opposite decisions.To make statement on political happenings one has to understand power structure.I donot know much,but only by chance can get some hints.Power is given by god to mortals(and is of various type more than money,muscle and political power) .Real powers may be hidden from view.But from outcomes or happenings,one can make whether good/dark forces rule.Today seems dark forces rule ,but India and world have been ruled by dark forces of various types from beginning(check rome history) barring few good rulers for short terms(in any system).Regarding saffron state,it seems a state where most of scams have occured,but then also rulers are popular.They are machiavellian,but donot seem so(for ordinary people can oppose them and some seem very soft and helpless to attacks on them).But who holds power today,one who we see or some who we donot see is answer to all this.And this is tough to find .When source of real power comes(according to my knowledge),he is a hidden evil pscho power (very dark force,they only told me that).Evil commits all crimes and is regarded criminal by human law.But same criminal when he is given any power by god,he becomes immortal rulers,saints,king maker,behind scene operators,business man,friend etc.This is life.Whatever India is today(I belive it is a very bad time) god is responsible.His whims donot see morality when giving powers,and people whom we call criminals get power to decide destinies of civilizations.How can one explain civilizations like incas,mayas,indus etc which are created and then destroyed totally on whims of creator.This is life and is made tough for masses without power. But life has to go on.Till today many evil came and went.So dark times will pass and a good phase will come in future.It is will of god and not of common masses which matter.He decides type of state, life masses should have.And evil,good,selfish,masses,rulers all are puppets in hand of time and god, who decide destinies of mortals,powerful through their games of various powers. --A common man who is normal and free to normal eyes,but is not in reality free. Strange,but true. Life is not what it seems.So just live till you can and leave rest to god,source of life and problems/suffering in life.Or take power and make your own world. But only hindrance is god,for he chooses mortals who can have power even over one self. |
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rkumar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 36 of 268 ) But whatever state is ,common man is generally good,but these days everywhere people are becoming selfish,and getting manipulated by dark forces (policy of divide and rule)and show no sympathy,understanding for weak,suffering (of various religion,gender,class etc) on whom crimes are commited or who fall in bad times.This is what is very worrying for one is happy till he gets caught in similiar circumstances.And this is what leads to fall of quality of life.Be good,helpful to ordinary people in need,one who have fallen to hard times.But ordinary people are cruel on them.Even state today,cannot give help,give justice to those on whom ordinary crimes are commited by petty criminals.Why? |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 37 of 268 ) Asif, Glad to know that you dont support the Bukhari types or the Jamaat-e-islami, but how many muslims in India are like you?? the ones that I have come across seem to staunchly support the Jamaat and bukhari. Unless moderates like you openly and repeatedly denounce the fundamentalists, they are liable to hijack the interests of the muslim community, if they have not done so already. These guys have strong ties with the wahhabis in Saudi Arabia and are extremely rich due to Saudi funding and very influential among muslims. Again, unless the moderate muslims make it very clear again and again in public that the Jamaat and the bukhari types are dangerous for the interests of Indian muslims, the only voice the rest of us will hear is that of the Jamaat. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 38 of 268 ) Asif, Your claim that BJP incites riots has no basis. It is a well known fact that the number of communal riots in India were commonplace during the "secular" regime of the congress. But these have been ZERO such riots since the BJP came to power. Again, while so-called moderate muslims rail against the BJP, you DO NOT condemn the Jamaat and other islamic fundamentalist groups unless and until someone holds your feet to the fire. In short, all your whining about hindu fundamentalism carries no weight when you conveniently choose to ignore the islamic terrorist sympathizers in the Jamaat. |
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rajeev 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 39 of 268 ) Mr.Karapall, ummmmmmm....... i agree lot of riots took place under congress but "NO RIOTS" under BJP made me roll of the floor and laugh my ass off. I am sorry to say this but you also talk like asif. Asif is totally against BJP and you are justifying the doings of BJP even though some of the stuff are very bad. O well i leave the fight between you two. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 40 of 268 ) rajeev, You still have not mentioned specific riots that took place under BJP rule. I can easily recall at least one riot from Aurangabad in the eighties started because of some mischief makers throwing pig entrails in a mosque. If my claim that there have been zero such riots under BJP rule sounds bogus to you, all you have to do is point out a name/place when such a riot took place. |
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rajeev 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 41 of 268 ) Mr.Karapall, Being so much informed I donno how you can deny any riots taking place during BJP rule. Since you requested me I am giving you a URL from a popular magazine here in the south "The-Week". Please go over it and dont tell me riots was started cuz of some moslems. http://www.the-week.com/21sep30/events4.htm |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 42 of 268 ) rajeev, Thanks for the link. I was not aware of this riot. I dont see why the VHP needs to deliberately take its procession through muslim localities, and I find it even more surprising that the local authorities did not put their foot down and force the procession to take an alternate route. There seems to be no shortage of thugs and goons in all sides. |
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asif 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 43 of 268 ) Dear Karapall I would like to bring few facts to your knowledge [I hope you don't suffer from selective amnesia], in case you overlooked. The last major Hindu-Muslim riot was in Kanpur, which is in U.P, which is BJP ruled.And don't forget the riots between christians and hindus in Gujarat[again BJP ruled]. That was to set the record straight. But my dear friend I don't agree with the notion that you have to be in power to start riots, rather you have to be in power to stop or control one. The religion is most of the time an excuse to start riot; the reasons are mostly Economic. The analysis of causation of riots is very well given in book, "Riot after Riot" by MJ Akbar, if you're intrested. |
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thetruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 44 of 268 ) If loving ur country make u fascist , BE a fascist . If opposing the Terrorism in Kashmir makes u a fascist , then be a fascist . If not beliving the Pigstanis make u a FASCIST and trying to prevent the ISI activities make u a fascist , THEN BE A FASCIST . |
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asif 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 45 of 268 ) The commission set up to investigate riots in Merrut[Remember Maliana Massacre] and Moradabad, reported the partial behaviour and mayhem created by P.A.C and recommended that it be disbanded, but BJP championed it's cause and didn't let it be disbanded. And in the last riot in Kanpur they again not only behaved in similar fashion but also went ahead and shot a good honest ADM[yes, a hindu] , who was helping some muslims escape from rioters. When autopsy revealed an Enfield 303 bullet wound, and that shot fired from direction where PAC was posted [check Times of India, of that date], it was said that the bullet was fired accidently. ha ha ha |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 46 of 268 ) Thanks Asif and Rajeev on some of the facts that you are highlighting ! Agree with you Rajeev fully !!! Am not suggesting that ONLY the BJP is fascist.But the topic is on the BJP AND ITS FASCIST NATURE ! There are undoubted streaks of fascism in the other political parties in India. Does this political environment then justfy Fascism when it is manifested by the POLITICAL party in Power ? NO WAY !!!!!!! There could be no justification for the Emergency !!! How can we then justify emergency like conditions prevalent today PRESIDED OVER BY THOSE WHO CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN VICTIMISED UNDER THE EMERGENCY.....IN THE HOUNDING OF CRITICS AND STIFFLING OF DEBATE !!!! We have to shed this selectiveness if we want to rid our country of this pernicious influence and stiffling of debate!!! The Emergency was a travesty ! THIS undeclared emergency a FARCE ! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 47 of 268 ) Asif, Now, now, dont tell me about the riots in Kanpur, pal. These riots were instigated by the islamic terrorist group SIMI (check out link below). One of us seems to have selective amnesia, and it is not me. Clearly, you have conveniently overlooked the fact that the terrorists in SIMI are responsible for such riots and you turn around and try to tell me that this was instigated by hindus. At the same time, you also insist that you are against laws that try to clamp down on terrorism. There is a clear pro-islamic terrorism/fundamentalism strain in your views, pal. It is high time you realized that; there is no point in you calling yourself a muslim moderate if you are going to support SIMI. http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/mar/31kan.htm |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 48 of 268 ) One should note the knee-jerk reaction of clowns like Lehar. In their single-minded obsession with the BJP (standard commie behavior), they conveniently overlook major facts such as: the Kanpur riots were instigated by SIMI, an islamic terrorist organization. This clown also opposses laws against terrorism. It is high time we Indians recognized such terrorist sympathizers within our midst and give them their dues: a radish up their nether end would be a good start. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 49 of 268 ) http://www.india-seminar.com/1999/483/483%20rai.htm Asif, the meerut riots did not take place under the BJP (check the link above). Again, at least verify the facts before you spit on yourself and rub your own face in the mud without any external assistance. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 50 of 268 ) Mr. Lehar is clearly too stpid to realize that the whole clause about journalists in POTO was explicitly put in there as a negotiating tool. The govt. claims to have backed down on POTO by removing a few provisions it never intended to be in POTO in the first place. It is no wonder that the BJP runs rings around morons in the opposition, when the opposition does not have the brains to do strategic thinking. |
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rajeev 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 51 of 268 ) I donno why Mr.Karapall is talking about POTO here when the discussion is on fascist BJP. |
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rajeev 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 52 of 268 ) Lets take a look from the muslim media regarding "BJP and Fascism". Following article from "The Milli Gazette" constitues an interesting reading in the present context... Bajrang dal - a threat to secular order, a step towards fascism http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/15082001/24.htm The Union Government has so far maintained absolute silence on the recruitment drive by the Bajrang Dal and on the camps organized by it in various parts of the country to train its volunteers in the use of arms. One wonders if the Union Government supports the formation of what looks like a ‘people’s militia’ to perform the national duty to defend the national territory against foreign aggression and to counter the espionage and subversive network woven across the country by the hostile forces, particularly the omnipresent and omnipotent ISI of Pakistan and in the process to identify and punish its agents and sympathizers ...... |
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thetruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 53 of 268 ) BAJRANG DAL may be the hindu version of muslim leagues . But there is no Hindu Equivalent for SIMI.No hindu leagues have the ample supply of arms and ammunition as the SIMIs have . My question is where do SIMIs get the AK-47s , and the RDX ? SIMI is all praise for OSAMA BIN LADEN and our seculars will go on condemning BAJRANG and RSS . Who are responsible for the 200+ deaths in BOMBAY BLAST ? WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF 47 INNOCENT INNOCENT HINDUS IN COIMBATORE ? THEY ARE NOT NEFARIOUS ACT FOR U AND U BLAMED RSS FOR THE COIMBATORE BLAST ALSO . HINDU LIVES HAVE NO VALUES FOR U. WHY R U SO PARTIAL U WRETCHED B... ? |
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thetruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 54 of 268 ) WHO ARE NOT FASCIST ??? CONGRESS , CPI , SAMAJBADI ETC?? WHO ARE SECULAR .... SIMI , JAMAT-E-ISLAMI , MUSLIM LEAGUSE ??? |
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Cleo 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 55 of 268 ) Intimidation and the threat of violence and coercion IS THE STAPLE DIET FOR THE FASCIST BJP!! LOOK AT THE intimidation of the shareholders of thelelka. The model saffron state is the State of Gujarat .A good case study on what has been branded in these columns as NEO fascism . It's bullying and intimidation of minorities, human rights groups , use of the petite bourgoise, connivance with Barbarism and thuggery is part of a day's work. Was it Jyoti Basu who called the BJP a barbaric party ?? Pot calling the kettle black ?? Offcourse !! but does it make the kettle any less black !!!!!!!!! How can any fascist be civilised in this day and age ??? Yet they boast to represent a proud and ancient civilisation - THEY are not at all representative is plain as daylight ! ( Oh well , for this major sacrilege we run the risk of being branded as COMMIES !!!!!) Incidentally, whenever free time permits the fascist BJP in its model saffron state of GUJARAT together with the SELF ASSIGNED PATRON OF HUMAN RIGHTS -THE fraudulent Congress government of MP- have the NBA and its activists to turn to for target practice. The truth agree with you on your last message ! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 56 of 268 ) The pseudo-secular dorks on this forum who seem to insist that the hindus do not have a right to defend themselves, in the face of institutionalized apathy to hindu greivances, must understand that muslims have slaughtered many hindus under the slightest provocation in Independent India in the past few decades. This has resulted in a "resistance" movement, if you will, against the muslim groups. There is no question that this story will have an unhappy and horrible ending unless the muslims have an uncompromising attitude and fuel the growth of muslim terrorist groups within their own communities. Much bloodshed is in store for India in the future, and maybe something good will come out of it....it is unfortunate that there are no other options. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 57 of 268 ) The jokers in tehelka cooked up videos and broke EVERY rule of good journalism for furthering their own agenda. They are yet to explain the glaring holes in various transcripts, and for the various charges against people in the government. Again, the courts are looking at it, and I will wait for their verdict. Naxalites and anarchists like Cleo might not care much for the annoyingly slow progress of justice and legal system, but other than the legal system, we have very little that would separate us from other faux nation-states. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 58 of 268 ) Cleo asks a very clever double-edged question (akin to "have you beaten your wife lately?") "How can any fascist be civilized in this day and age?" I will ignore the presumption that the BJP is fascist just because this semi-literate joker cleo claims that it is. The question I have for him and his ilk is: when did civilization have anything to do with fascism?? In fact, at the height of the fascist movement in germany, the germans were one of the most advanced and industrialized times of their times. So, unless you commie jokers have anything legitimate to say, it would be in your best interest to tone down your rhetoric and talk in concrete terms about the various problems that plague India. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 59 of 268 ) Cleo also asks "is the kettle any less black just because a black pot says so?" Again, that would be missing the point. If all the vessels are black, the question we should all be discussing is "how do we clean the vessels in the house?". Just yelling and screaming that none of the vessels are bright and shiny, while simultaneously refusing to do anything constructive, is an exercise in futility. |
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rajeev 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 60 of 268 ) In a very arrogant statement Mr.Karpall says "Much bloodshed is in store for India in the future". Dude, do you know you can be arrested under POTO (ummm... also any journalist)for failing to inform the police about the bloodshed which saffron brigade is planning to perpetrate... Mr.Karpall, Everybody knows BJP is the killer of moslems and backward hindus. So without wasting time on who is killing all the people lets all focus our energy on how to clean BJP politicians from the sins they have committed during past 13 years. |
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rajeev 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 61 of 268 ) Though the measures used by Tehelka team in exposing the defense scandal is highly unethical, BJP on its part showed its ugly fascist face by issuing life threats to Tehelka editors and Journalists. The thing which demands highest amount of contempt is that BJP used Executive machinery to issue these life threats. This proves a point that any political party with a hate ideology will ultimately use force to implement its agenda which BJP is doing right now. And a party with hate ideology can rightly be called FASCIST party. |
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asif 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 62 of 268 ) Karapall, My god I don't believe that lunatics like you are roaming free in this country. First I never said that riots in Merrut took place when BJP was in power, NOR did I defended SIMI, nor did I said who started the roits. The thrust of MY argument was on PAC's communal outlook and BJP's tactical support to it. You missed the point for umpteenth time. |
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asif 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 63 of 268 ) Karapall, you make a statement," Much bloodshed is in store for India in the future, and maybe something good will come out of it", and still think that anyone will take you seriously. This was the kind of statement terrorists and naxallites make, and then in next paragraph you come down on naxallites and anarchists, when you by your statements are behaving like a anarchist. After that you said ,"naxallites don't care about slow progress of justice", thereby proving that you don't know even N of Naxallite movement. I had warned you before, don't bite more than you can chew. |
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thetruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 64 of 268 ) Karapall , u r doing well . These pseudo-seculars will heap all kind of insults on u . Don't bother about that . These people will always cry hoarse over the sufferring of AFGHAN refugees and never talk about the suferring of KASHMIRI HINDU pandits . This is their charecter. If Hindus try to defend themselves , that becomes communal for the non-fascists like cleo , asif and their ilk. These people support the massacre of Hindus in BANGLADESH and PAKISTAN by their MUSLIM BROTHERS. |
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asif 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 65 of 268 ) Karapall. In our daily life we see so many people behaving in most quaint manner, and we wonder why they are like that. But than a moment comes when a small gesture or a statement or a twitch of face; and suddenly it's all clear to you and they stand naked in front of you with all inherent ugliness. That moment of reckoning also came for you Karapall, when you defended Fascism in Germany saying that,"at that time Germany was a Big power". With one statement you just wiped out all the miseries and killings of thousands of Jews. You have revealed your fascist outlook in a most remarkable fashion, no doubt you champion the cause of BJP, sometime overtly and sometime covertly. BUT THE "MUKHUT" HAS BEEN RIPPED OFF YOUR FACE. Tehelka which did a service to the nation by exposing corrupt BJP and RSS men are called jokers, and your level is that you quote from Rediff.com |
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asif 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 66 of 268 ) Mr "THETRUTH", hi, sorry I never addressed you before because I generally don't respond to people like you to maintain my sanity. But now I must congratulate you on your accomplishment. You really made me laugh, thanks. First you used the term "pseudo-secular", I bet you don't know the meaning of the term[ neither does Advani]. Than you gave this world a new term "non-fascist", and accused that I and cleo are that obnoxius term devised by you. And all this when you don't even have courage to stand by what you say, and hide behind a pseudonym. And you have choosen a strange pseudonym, because I thought that we all were telling truth and always do so. Is this your "first time", that you are telling THE truth. |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 67 of 268 ) Hi Asif , Skrish and Rajeev. Apreciate your arguments. Do keep writing. Would like to make a suggestion to you pl. The Choice however is yours !!!! Would strongly recommend you just blank out from your responses references to the nut case who has crawled out here from the cuckoos nest !!!!! There is no sense in what 'it' says. Clearly needs a shrink (if shrinks do deal with vermin) . Your references to raving mad attempts at harangue (instead of debate) are needlessly inflicting this 'twisted' case on unsuspecting people (as they have already blanked 'it' out). Have blanked 'it' out fairly early and other than foul vocabulary (purportedly provided by Webster) am not missing much. The only thing 'it' serves is make someone like 'the truth' sound reasoned in comprison !!!!! Your informative arguments are needlessly demeaned by referring to 'it' and its hair brained arguments (undoubtedly supported by its Webster -as (laughing) stock-in-trade!!!) Unfortunately its sickness is not even good for laughs !!!! Pl do keep writing though ! Pl do consider my request favourably !!!! |
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rajeev 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 68 of 268 ) asif, even I think "thetruth" is the biggest clown roaming around in this debate. If there is a section on "whose post you should just ignore" thetruth will top everyone of us. karpall, I think asif accused you just enough. Its your show time pal. ;-) |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 69 of 268 ) Asif, My statement about bloodshed in India's future is based on current trends in Indian society as a whole, wherein large groups of people are escalating confrontation. Add to this the positive feedback to escalate such tensions provided by almost all political parties, and I believe that it is inevitable that something nasty will happen in the end. The question is whether such an event will actually teach Indians a few good lessons on national unity or not?? The jury is still out on this. Clearly, I am in no position to make threats to anyone, including my wife, leave alone the whole of the Indian population. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 70 of 268 ) Asif blithers: "That moment of reckoning also came for you Karapall, when you defended Fascism in Germany saying that,"at that time Germany was a Big power". With one statement you just wiped out all the miseries and killings of thousands of Jews." If you paid any attention, you would note that I was refuting Cleo assertion that "fasicm is uncivilized". The point I was making was that civilization (such as it is) has nothing to do with fascism. Now, if the germans were planning to take over the world with sharp sticks and stone tools, then I would have agreed that there was some validity in cleo's claim, but we all know how sophisticated and "civilized" the german war machine was. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 71 of 268 ) Asif blithers: "That moment of reckoning also came for you Karapall, when you defended Fascism in Germany saying that,"at that time Germany was a Big power". With one statement you just wiped out all the miseries and killings of thousands of Jews." If you paid any attention, you would note that I was refuting Cleo assertion that "fasicm is uncivilized". The point I was making was that civilization (such as it is) has nothing to do with fascism. Now, if the germans were planning to take over the world with sharp sticks and stone tools, then I would have agreed that there was some validity in cleo's claim, but we all know how sophisticated and "civilized" the german war machine was. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 72 of 268 ) Asif blithers: "That moment of reckoning also came for you Karapall, when you defended Fascism in Germany saying that,"at that time Germany was a Big power". With one statement you just wiped out all the miseries and killings of thousands of Jews." If you paid any attention, you would note that I was refuting Cleo assertion that "fasicm is uncivilized". The point I was making was that civilization (such as it is) has nothing to do with fascism. Now, if the germans were planning to take over the world with sharp sticks and stone tools, then I would have agreed that there was some validity in cleo's claim, but we all know how sophisticated and "civilized" the german war machine was. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 73 of 268 ) Asif, while we are busy ripping each other's "mukhut"'s off, let me address this minor point about my views w.r.t. BJP. I believe that the BJP should be given a lot of credit for their rather shrewd protection of India's interests in the foreign policy arena. For way too long, we have languished in the gutter of Nehru's worthless non-alignment nonsense. As was recognized by ancient geniuses such as Sun-Tzu and Chanakya, the art of statecraft and protecting one's interests is an intricate one, and thus far BJP has played its cards extremely well, relative to earlier governments. Now, at the national level, their contributions have been marginal at best, especially in the area of law enforcement. So while it might be easy for you to have a black and white perspective of the BJP, I believe in supporting policies that further India's interests no matter who is making these policies. You and many of the leftists who appear on this forum clearly have some communal agenda which forces you to overlook the positives and accentuate the negatives. I used to think along those lines a few decades ago, but have learnt enough to eschew such thinking now. |
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thetruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 74 of 268 ) What is secularism in India ??? It is nothing but keeping tight-lipped silence over massacres of Hindus in KASHMIR , it is nothing but shedding buckets and buckets of tears over Palestine and Bosnia , IT IS NOTHING BUT HATING SAFFRON AND FEARING GREEN ,its nothing but valuing Indian soldiers' lives less than a bottle of perfume. And if someone says something against this "secularism" , he/she will be labeled FASCIST forever. |
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thetruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 75 of 268 ) What is secularism in India ??? It is nothing but keeping tight-lipped silence over massacres of Hindus in KASHMIR , it is nothing but shedding buckets and buckets of tears over Palestine and Bosnia , IT IS NOTHING BUT HATING SAFFRON AND FEARING GREEN ,its nothing but valuing Indian soldiers' lives less than a bottle of perfume. And if someone says something against this "secularism" , he/she will be labeled FASCIST forever. |
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perfect 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 76 of 268 ) if belief in uniform civil code,givin equal status to all and not resorting to appeasement,conducting nuclear test,banning organizations like simi,considering kashmir an integral part of india,rewriting wrongly written history books is fascism then BJP is a fascist orgainization but the bottomline is THAT WE NEED SUCH FASCISM |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 77 of 268 ) well said, perfect. If there is one thing the commies in India and the left-wing are good at, it is in demonizing their opponents, while ensuring that their deficiencies are glossed over with the help of their journalist brethren. It is going to take a few generations to flush these commie turds down the toilet of Indian history. |
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jeevanje 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 78 of 268 ) BJP is a fascist organisation, no doubt about that. BJP's hindutva agenda was (of RSS too)come out from Mandal Commission report.The majority OBCs and SC/STs are going to get upperhand through Mandalisation of V.P Singh if enacted fully by sidelining the so-called upper castes. For toppling this situation, BJP-RSS-VHP-BD come out with Mandir issue. They don't have any interest in Mandir or Hindus. They only wanted to protect the interests of uppercastes. For implementing their that agenda, these hindutva forces are ready to align with Muslims and Christians as well. Tomorrow, we can see that. But the educated downtrodden are on the rise now. beware.. BJP |
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Cleo 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 79 of 268 ) The drama being enacted concerning the Ayodhya tangle is proof enough of the fascist leanings of the BJP. The full might of the government apparatus of a Nuclear powered government negotiating with a non representative organisation on what is A LAW AND ORDER PROBLEM. The RSS and the VHP DO NOT REPRESENT THE HINDUS OR HINDUISM. They constitue at best the fringe elements of a minority group within a pluralistic Hindu tradition. The PM and his trouble shooters are negotiating the enforcement of the law !!! In Gujarat, the Godhra tragedy is horrific and should be condemned UNEQUIVOCALLY and immediate action to bring the culprits to book is called for. To see this tragedy and not only not anticipate its fall out, but to tacitly encourage revenge attacks is frightening. THE GOVERNMENT IS FOR ALL AND NOT ONLY THE PROTECTOR OF LUMPEN FRINGE ELEMENTS. We were amazed to read the statement of the impostor Sardar V Patel and Narendra Modi so called ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, which were as brazen as Rajiv Gandhi's statement on Mrs G's assassination both tacitly supporting violent retribution. We fear for the consequences of such encouragement and support to violence FROM THE GOVERNMENT. Can we Indian Brahmins be murdered in a street in the US because Muslims were killed back home by people claimingt to be hindus and representatives of Hinduism ? The BJP and the Sangh Parivar are a scourge on our pluralistic religion. Rather than waste time and resources negotiating over law and order issues with non representative bodies, THEY SHOULD ENFORCE THE RULE OF THE LAW IN GODHRA INDEED ENTIRE INDIA !!!! |
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miscos 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 80 of 268 ) BJP is not a fascist organisation. it is a completely democratic, purely Indian organisation, where elders are heard before taking any decision. BJP as a political unit is the only present unit amongst the presently operating political parties in India; who are more matured, more disciplined, more honest and more dedicated for the cause of our Motherland |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 81 of 268 ) The thing that all you communist cretins seem to deliberately overlook is that the congress and CPI are NOT AT ALL democratic, ubt run as the personal fiefdoms of the sonia gandhis and the jyoti basus. What is even worse that you dishonest motherfukers have the gall to point at the BJP just because you can, EVEN THOUGH you hardly have the moral standing to do so. You commie bastards are poor excuses for humans. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 82 of 268 ) Cleo, Tell me, asshole, who gave you the authority to declare that VHP and RSS dont represent hindus. What is your basis for this assertion? Do we see bigots like you claiming that Jamaat does not represent all muslims?? Of course, not. You assholes dont have the guts to take the barbarians on. |
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shobha 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 83 of 268 ) Declaring the opponent a Communist bastard is , of course, the age-old convenient method of right-wing fascists. This method ensures that real debate is replaced by bumper-sticker labelling. Well, let us first simplify the debate by not letting the different shades and hues of the VHP, BJP etc fool us. It is a well known fact that they all spring from the same Gangotri. Unlike the holy Gangotri which gives rise to the holy Ganga, the fountainhead of these outfits is a poisonous one. If you go to the original literature of the RSS and the Hindu Mahasabha - the tomes which provide the ideoligical sustenance for all shades of Hindutwabadis- you will see that there is no sign of tolerance. There is no vision of a place where Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and Christians can live together. All you will find is the assertion- my way or the highway. Refuse at your own peril to accept that these are incontrovertible signs of fascism ! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 84 of 268 ) shobha, You commie assholes are the leaders in labeling: just note how any Indian who dares to assert himself and speak against the anti-hindu bigotry in the press is immediately labeled a "sangh parivari" or some such nonsense. (most of the journalist are commie scumbags) Besides, given your low IQ, you need to be told that the current hindu belligerence is a direct fallout of years of pandering to the minorities. Go read up events in the past few decades before you expose your ignorance in public. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 85 of 268 ) As for my way or the highway, you commie assholes seem to accept this diktat in christian-dominated countries such as the US, where christianity the de facto state religion. Cretins like you are too stupid to realize that the majority in a democracy needs to acquiesce to let the minorities live in peace. If the minorities insist of antagonizing the majority, no amout cretinous bleeding-heart prose from the likes of you will change the ground realities. |
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AMReddy 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 86 of 268 ) So, what do you pro-hindutva,pro-BJP,pro-RSS, pro-bajrang dal, pro-ram mandir, anti-communist, "moderates" want? BJP's priorities have been: 1)Nuclear weapons; 2)Hindutva; 3)Saraswati Vandana; 4)POTO; 5)correcting textbooks; 6)Ram Mandir; 7)debate on conversions; 8)privatisation; 9)review of the constitution; and so on ... The bajrangis may not like to call it a "fascist" organisation. Despite the cantankerous agenda> But they should ask themselves should the priorities not be 1) Development; 2)creation of jobs: 3)Education; 4)health care;and 5)creating an environment for Internal and external peace? BJP has hoodwinked ordinary people to take them on to a fascist path by hijacking their faith. |
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Cleo 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 87 of 268 ) Shobha and AM reddy, thanks for your comments, respect your views and would like to respond to your interesting comments. The vile and foul mouthed creature who interrupted the discussion is on our ignore list , given 'its' inability for reasoned argument (we are not missing much anyway, the vulgarity we can well pass on in our old age) and so we are not even commenting on the ranting and by no well known abusive tirade.(we don't expect any sanity this time round) As Hindu Brahmins we have the right to speak for ourselves, and for the religion we believe in. Against its hijack. From our point of view any effort Shobha to divide our pluralist and mutli cultural society on the basis of us vs. them and on the basis of majority and minority is highly dangerous and will only ,as a result of this diversion ,ensure that we are swept of our right as a people to self governance and to take control of our future by the viscious forces of 'thoughtless glabalisation' that are subverting governments world over. Before being branded as 'commies' (from people who have no clue of the dialectics of Karl Marx)we must hasten to add that the only sustaining political influence in our lives is the Mahatma Gandhi. We agree with AM reddy in that the agenda should be about development (planned and well distributed). The recent elections in UP have established beyond doubt that raising issues like terrorism and POTO and troop amassments (rather than wealth amassment and distribution) are the ONLY things that does and should matter for our electorate. For us as Hindus, the RSS and its satellites are the BIGGEST threat to development and protection of our mutli cultural, pluralist polity. We will not be cowed down by fascist threats and our unshakeable faith in the Indian electorate is that they will treat deviants from a pluralist , multi cultural framework with a non violence driven ferocity at the hustings , that will teach them the POWER OF NON VIOLENCE. We do hope that the VHP and RSS even now will change or they should be branded as terrorist organisations no different from ISS or SIMI. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 88 of 268 ) AM Reddy Garu, Clearly someone who wishes his lips were on Sonia Gandhi's butt. At least, his rhetoric is a textbook example of the standard congress party crap. The number of communal riots have been DRASTICALLY DOWN during the tenure of the BJP. I still recall the times when one communal riot a year was commonplace. But please dont let facts stand in the way of your moronic anti-BJP tirade. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 89 of 268 ) this joker cleo seems to worry about how a minority-majority divide is bad while simultaneously expecting the majority remain docile to violent provocations by the minority. Of course, that would mean that cleo would have to face reality, and we cant have that now, can we?? |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 90 of 268 ) One of the aspects of fascism which probably (is not in the Webster and hence lost on idiots who claim with all the bluster at their disposal that we are seeing a demcoratic and law abiding government at New Delhi and Gujarat)is the INTENT of terrorising and intimidation. It is moronic to expect a Hindu in the US to be burnt for the carnage in Ahmedabad. Similarly it is ridiculous for a Muslim in Ahmedabad to be attacked and killed for something done by co-religionists in Godhra. This is elementary logic. Though am sure this will be lost on the spokesman for the party of the Apes who visits this columns (and what a disgrace to the Apes this is !). Why then are these attacks taking place ? They are taking place to threaten the weaker sections and the press from speaking up. FEAR IS THE KEY to maintaining a strangle hold on the electorate. The minority from speaking and daring to vote, the majority by finding a 'protector'. This is FASCISM !! The trivialising of the role of the law enforcement machinery so that they do not perform their duties in fairness and justice towards ALL sections of our muti cutlural society (and for which they are employed and paid our hard earned monies !!)is amother baltant manifestation ogf Fascism. Earlier the Sangh Parivar perfected the art of engineering riots and have been indicted in numerous reports aided by feeble and cunning Congress governments. Today in government these 'political pariahs' have mastered the art of inaction and 'allowing' riots to happen. A look at Bihar will exemplify the fact that a determined and unbiased law enforcement machinery can bring law and order back on the rails VERY fast. Bhagalpur riots where the RSS stoked the flames and the Congress of Bhagwat Jha Azad fidled are still very recent. Under laloo yadav's RJD (whatever else may be the corruption issues) the minorities have ample proof of detremined political will to sort out Communal riots (though not so determined when it comes to dealing with the MCC). |
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nirmal00 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 91 of 268 ) About luvmann and Karapall These morons talking about Gandhi or Nehru is like insect talking about Einstein !! It is easy to sit infront of a computer and spew venom about others. It doesn't take any courage or determination. But thank God people like you are not going to succeed; bcos you people are incapable of doing anything important other than writing hate messages on a bulletin board. ------------- All those 'defenders of Hindu culture' Will you please explain to me how most of India was ruled by Muslims from 11th or 12th century until 18th century if the Hindu culture was so great and the people were so brave. Were they incapable to of defending their kingdoms against invaders numbering a few ten thousand at the maximum. And then most of the coutry was ruled by British and other Europeans for 200 years. Defending the country against these invaders would have taken courage and planning and unity among the people. Thousands of people chasing innocent women and children and setting them on fire is not quite the same. That is a job for the cowardly. The fact that many of 'us' can defend such crimes shows exactly what is wrong with our country. You know why Hindus in ancient times couldnt defend their country against invaders ? Bcos a small group of upper castes were oppressing the vast majority. And the lives of this majority would have been the same whether the coutry was under Brahmin rule or Muslim rule or British rule. So these people had no incentive in defending the nation. And as for foul-mouthing Gandhi or Nehru : they were the ones (along with others like Patel) who led the fight which played a major role in gaining the coutry's independence. Of course there were other factors like the international events in the first half of this century. But India would not have won freedom if there already was not a strong national movement. BTW, all the earlier armed struggles had failed. -------------- << If anything, Gandhi partitioned India... and damaged the Indian Psyche forever. >> Probably you didnt know that India was around 500 different princely states at the time of independece. And the railways, civil administration and other things that make India one country today was built by British to facilitate their colonial rule. But I never understood why the Hindutva zealots hated partition. Without partition Indian would have had 30 crore more Muslims and they would have been even more influential in Indian politics. Will someone please explain it to me ? Is it their love for the 'glorious ancient Bharat'. Maybe they should stop burning innocent children first ? That would bring more glory. Or is this burning of children a continuation of burning of widows which was practised in their 'glorious ancient Bharat' ? |
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nirmal00 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 92 of 268 ) Why do Hindutva zealots hate Gandhi and Nehru ? For centuries, the upper castes had a great time suppressing the vast majority of lower castes and making the lower castes work for them practically like slaves. Gandhi and Nehru changed that system and brought about democracy. So the lower castes have more power than ever before. That is what they really hate about Gandhi and Nehru. All other reasons are just smoke and noise |
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nirmal00 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 93 of 268 ) Why do Hindutva zealots love Sikhs ? Because they are too cowardly to fight wars and need the Sikhs to do the fighting for them. But they are good at chasing 5 year old children and setting them on fire 'in revenge'. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 94 of 268 ) nirmal, If you had any brains you would look at NEhru and Gandhi as normal people happened to be presented the oppurtunity to lead India. Gandhi was a clever man, but Nehru was always an intellectual midget who happened to get high connections because he went to study in England. This asshole sacrificed India's interest for a chance to screw Edwina Mountbatten. Great Hero, this nehru, isn't he?? Sheesh, be more skeptical about all you read, especially the crap written by the fourth rate "intellectuals" in Indian commie, left-wing/congress brigade. I certainly loathe the BJP a lot less than I hate the communal assholes in the CPI and the Congress. |
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perfect 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 95 of 268 ) mind u nirmal so called hindu "zealots" did not take revenge from sikhs. it was the work of ur "secular" minority appeasing congress men. |
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perfect 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 96 of 268 ) hindu "zealots" hate gandhi coz he pressurized indians to give crores of rupees for development of pakistan,didn't allow hindus to use homes of muslims who went to pakistan, created a mess of hindu refugees coming from pakistan,...... |
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topcat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 97 of 268 ) South India should secede! The North Indian states are riddled with fanatics and criminals in politics. These states have lowest human development indicators in the country while the southern states(Kerala, Andhra, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka) have the highest. Problems such as killing of Sikhs, Muslims, Ayodhya, Kashmir, Pakistan, China, Assam which are bleeding the country arise because of the stupid barabrians living in the North Indian states. The Southern states have for 50 years ended up using their resources to pull these North Indians heads out of their asses. Now it looks like that is not going to happen. So the only alternative available to the four Southern states is to form a separate confedaration and secede from India. |
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Phoenix 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 98 of 268 ) The famous English woman philosopher Dr. Annie Besant also had much praise for India, as written in the cover notes from the book, Hindus, Life-Line of India, by G. M. Jagtiani. Her words put great emphasis on the value of India, its history, the Vedic culture, and its importance to the world. She says: "After a study of some forty years and more of the great religions of the world, I find none so perfect, none so scientific, none so philosophic, and none so spiritual as the great religion known by the name of Hinduism. The more you know it, the more you will love it; the more you try to understand it, the more deeply you will value it. Make no mistake; without Hinduism, India has no future. Hinduism is the soil into which India's roots are struck, and torn of that she will inevitably wither, as a tree torn out from its place. Many are the religions and many are the races flourishing in India, but none of them stretches back into the far dawn of her past, nor are they necessary for her endurance as a nation. Everyone might pass away as they came and India would still remain. But let Hinduism vanish and what is she? A geographical expression of the past, a dim memory of a perished glory, her literature, her art, her monuments, all have Hindudom written across them. And if Hindus do not maintain Hinduism, who shall save it? If India's own children do not cling to her faith, who shall guard it? India alone can save India, and India and Hinduism are one." |
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ramesh12 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 99 of 268 ) The discussion on this site is so much lopsided against the Muslims. Muslims ruled over India for 800 years and their reign was very peaceful and full of harmony. Think of it this way, if Muslims wanted to kill Hindus or forcibly convert them to Islam, they could have done it easily. They had absolute power, and nobody to challenge them. We are talking about mughal period and so on, in those days there was no news, or TV or Internet or human rights or United Nations. They could have gotten away with Hindu genocide if they wanted, but they were very tolerant. Hindus are ruling India for the last 50 years and thousands of Muslims have been killed in India in the last 50 years. I wonder who is intolerant more, Hindus or Muslims. stop the Muslim bashing please, for u r only hurting yourself and India in the process. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 100 of 268 ) ramesh, Since you mention this for the second time, please explain how muslims bashing hurts India? This should be interesting. Secondly, cretins like you should pay a little more attention to the motivation of the muslim politians and leaders to go out of their way to antagonize the majority. Agreed, most of the majority consists of spineless dipshits like you and dont deserve any respect, but even a brainwashed imbecile like you must see that this kind of deliberate creation of bad blood implies that these muslim leaders are a bunch of evil bastards who actually WANT TO PROVOKE the majority so that they can then claim that their jihad is legitimate?? Godhra is just one of many such violent communal riots that will continue as long as political parties like congress and samajwadi party, who have made a habit of hunting with the muslim hounds and running with the hindu hares. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 101 of 268 ) ramesh, You say muslims could have converted them if they wanted to 800 years ago, but didn't. Do you even comprehend the inherent stupidity of this statement?? Only Akbar and shah jahan were known to be secular in the rule. Aurangazeb was a murderous bastard who slaughtered millions of hindus and killed countless others a couple of centuries ago. Any reason why this simple fact was not mentioned in your email?? |
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safize 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 102 of 268 ) karapall,ramesh didnt mention aurangzeb's 'slaughter of millions of hindus' bcoz its an imagination of ur fickle mind that aurangzeb did that.how could poor ramesh have known that?scum like u which is slowly but surely getting into our national acadaemia will enlighten poor folks like ramesh the 'facts'abt muslim rule.until then u'll have to put up with fellas like ramesh. |
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galaxy 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 103 of 268 ) The Prime Minister of India, and the NDA government needs to be sacked forthwith. Despite his protestations to the contrary, The PM has been performing in an entirely partisan manner. Despite the double speak, he has clearly placed himself as the representative and protector of the fascist RSS and its satellites. His actions are contrary to promises to the nation in the NDA agenda and his oath on taking office. Despite his assurances at maintaining the status quo and upholding the rule of the law, he has clearly cast his pathetic lot ENTIRELY with the VHP in order to subvert the status quo and to give a `slantż to the `status quoż in order to alter it. In stepping out of the closet, the government has clearly shown itself as FAR FROM IMPARTIAL and unfit to govern this vast, multicultural polity. It is the irony of our times, that the very organizations that could easily qualify as `terroristż and `fascistż and could be banned and purged from the presence of any civilized society, has loyal `Sevaksż in the Prime Minister and the Home Minister of India! The power hungry saffron socialists who have been propping up a government that has been żransomed to the fascist RSSż are indeed the Pall bearers of the Progressive Constitution of India. |
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Shekhar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 104 of 268 ) Karapall Are you from the Bajrang Dal? you speak like a monkey! Why did you drop out of school? |
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Malhotra 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 105 of 268 ) Hey Karapall Why are'nt you in the karsevakpuram? Or in Gujarat torching someone? Its a pity that so many people waste time sharing their views with hate-spitting illiterates like you. |
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u980474 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 106 of 268 ) Galaxy, It is ok for you if all political parties always play to the muslims and always think about them. After all the hindus only comprise 83% of the Indian population!! It is OK if the congress and CPIM and other secular parties are always talking about the rights of the Muslims. What happens to the rights of the Hindus in this country? Just because the BJP campaings for the Hindus rights it is a communal party. What about the congress, the samajwadi party, the CPIM who are always campainging for the rights of the muslism? Are they not communal, or is campaigning for the righs of the muslims defined as secularism in your books? |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 107 of 268 ) Well, well, all the secular monkeys have finally landed!!! Firstly, all you primates must understand that I probably have more education than any of you imbeciles. Secondly, idiots will be abused by me, regardless of their background. Thirdly, I aint a hindu, so quit trying to conveniently explain my existence as a hindutva phenomenon. Got these straight, you brainless hindu dipshits. For the record, I loathe hinduism, VHP, RSS etc., but I loathe these damned islamic terrorist-loving scum a lot more, not least because of their attitude. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 108 of 268 ) Malhotra, I have better things to do, you recto-cranial invert. Pop your cranium from your rectum sometime, it will drastically improve your view of the world, you brainless hindu dipshit. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 109 of 268 ) safize, So aurangazeb was not a brutal vicious murderer of hindus and destroyer of hindu temples?? I am sure the communist historian and all-round bastard K N Panikkar gave you that explanation; in fact, his lies are quite famous: he claims that the thousands of mosques destroyed by Aurangazeb and other mughals was just part of their battles. In fact, the bastard claims that Aurangazeb was a compassionate man WITHOUT ANY references worthy of mention. You should really try reading about Aurangazeb from non commie sources, which would exclude most of the assholes who claim to be the chief historians of India. Panikkar''s ilk regularly participate in exhibitions that spew venom against hindus all over the world, and you expect to believe this bastard''s view of hindu history??? What a bloody laugh. |
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joy 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 110 of 268 ) Yaar Kara bhai, tum to gussa ho gaye sab logon se? Krodh ko shant karo. Ram nam japo. Daku ratnakar ka krodh bhi Ram nam japne se pighal gaya tha. Aur tum to kalyug ke tuchh manushya ho. Aaj se hi tapasya shuroo kar do. Phir mein bhi aunga tumse diksha lene. |
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safize 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 111 of 268 ) karapall its a fact that a lot of kings and emperors indulged in the desecracation and destruction of places of worship of the 'other' ones. u have heard of alamgir's exploits,alright.i dont believe he did that but ok,let me relent.but have u not heard of hindu emperors who did that to the losing buddhists and jains?in fact the bloody revenges extracted by hindus and buddhists against each other surpasses in barbarity what happened in the later day conflict betwwen hindu and muslim rulers(rulers ,and not the common populace mind u) so anybody tryin to appropriate moral high ground in this matter is tryin to forget inconvenient history.u too. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 112 of 268 ) safize, The point is not to correct historical destruction of temples/mosques. The point is that hindus want to resurrect three important places in their religion, and they will end up achieving it, no matter what communal parties like the congress try. In fact, my worry is that the congress is so intent on playing its vote bank politics that it does not seem to care that it can easily lose control of the situation. Just imagine if a tiny fraction of hindus can cause this much chaos, what will happen if their support base expands, which it will over time. Just like the only way to undercut drug trade is to legalize drugs, the only way to undercut hindu extremism from becoming as virulent as islamic extremism in India is to make sure that their agenda does not have widespread popular support. VHP and like groups will have widespread popular support as long as the hindus dont get their three temples. As simple as that. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 113 of 268 ) safize, The point is not to correct historical destruction of temples/mosques. The point is that hindus want to resurrect three important places in their religion, and they will end up achieving it, no matter what communal parties like the congress try. The second orthogonal point is that Aurangazeb was a murderous bastard no matter how you slice it; his ancestors were definitely more secular. In fact, ANY truly objective view of history would put Aurangazeb as a murderous bastard, except for commie-induced history such as the tripe shoved out by KN Pannikkar and his cronies. |
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gsurya 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 114 of 268 ) If the Godhra carnage was barbaric, then the we majority Hindus made sure that the post-Godhra riots were exponentially more barbaric than the proportion that we outnumber the Muslims in this country. The Muslim mindset is typical of that any minority community has in any developing country, be it Indonesia, Rwanda or Yugoslavia. Unfortunately, now we Hindus have also stooped to the lows that these other majority communities exhibit. There will be always extremist forces in any multi-ethnic society. What saves the day is having leaders that take firm centrist and secular positions that keep extremism at bay, whether it is Muslim or Hindu. Unfortunately however, we today have the likes BJP and the Shiv Sena in power because of other power-hungry parties like |
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safize 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 115 of 268 ) and karapall if u think muslims are goin to give up those three masjids to save their skins u r sadly mistaken. |
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Ratan 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 116 of 268 ) All those, talking of Fascism, please first read the definition of fascism, then compare the behaviour of BJP vis a vis critical views against it by the opposition and press which are sometimes very low and vile. they have taken criticism without resorting to strong arm tactics. In Indian context, just remember what Mrs. G did during emergency. Anti terrorist laws are required but against terrorists but they were used against democratic insitutions by her. So, stop comparing just for acedemic sake. |
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joy 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 117 of 268 ) Yaar kara bhai, tum phir krodhit ho gaye. Pleez, gussa phenko na! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 118 of 268 ) Ratan, Good point. But the reason these words are used by the Indian left is demagoguery, and they are experts at it. The same idiots in the left dont have a clue that emergency was closer to fascism than rule by a non congress party that does not appeal to the left... |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 119 of 268 ) safize, That is exactly my point. The muslims will NOT compromise because they look down upon hindus and their beliefs (after all they are polytheists arent they?). This will result in an increasingly violent hindu right-wing, and will finally culminate in another partition or a breakup of India. Not that I give a damn either way. |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 120 of 268 ) The BJP , its parent the RSS and its affiliates like the VHP , the Bajrang Dal are FASCIST to boot ! The crucible of the 'model' saffron state of Gujarat has proven the fascist credentials of the Sangh Parivar if proof was ever required. Use of the voters list and registrar of companies records to determine a section of the population for economic and physical liquidation. Physical attacks on the fourth estate for any form of crticism. Politicisation of the police force and transfer of conscientious officers who dared to arrest VHP thugs who attempted to break the law. Prostrating and taking instructions from non elected bodies. Do we need further proof of the credentials of the BJP ????? Gujarat has been a slur on the fair name of our beloved country, as under the BJP it has been transformed into another Serbia. We need an equivalent of a Kostunica at the helm in place of the lying and fraudulent Vajpayee Just as Serbia has shown the way after its recent elections with the hand over of Milosevic ,I do hope that India will proove to the world, after the next general elections its credentials on human rights by handing over Modi, Advani and the VHP thugs for trial and punishment to the International courts. Ultimately today human rights are an international issue. They cannot be violated on religious or ideological grounds whether in India , China, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia ! Human conscience rises above religious and ideological persuasion and geographical boundaries. No claims of being democratic and NON FASCIST can be established, without recognition of these realities operating on the ground and IN ACTION . Vajpayesque glib double speak and mischievous use of the Webster for chicanery cannot fool the international community and the UN resolutions on human rights! |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 121 of 268 ) Raja Menon's article on the action to be intiated against government officials who supported the genocide in Gujarat is excellent and should be seriously explored. We should not stop at this. Human rights and human dignity are of paramount importance under the UN declarations. They transcend the hideous garb of protection soveriegnity profers to these born again Fascists and murderers. I trust that the treatment for Serbian strongman Milosevic for his acts of ethnic cleansing and genocide will be no different from that reserved for the neo fascist Modi (and his mentor at Delhi the vandal Advani). India's image has been caused untold damage. Only courageous action can salvage the situation. Unfortunately for the Sanghi banghis the issue of national pride and national shame are so obtuse no half way home can drill sense into these fascists and thier imbecile apologists (with thier webster in tow) !!!! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 122 of 268 ) Lehar, Care to comment of the slaughter of hindus in Gujarat over the past couple of weeks? Or are you satisfied playing the part of a brainless communist dipshit with an agenda of playing up anti-hindu sentiments. |
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joy 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 123 of 268 ) Kara bhai, I absolutely agree. How can these commies ignore the overwhelming number of Hindus killed and shed tears for the miniscule number of Muslims slain? Beats me, must be Marx. |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 124 of 268 ) Joy, am deeply concerned about the loss of lives in Godhra. Lives are precious and they are my brothers and sisters as Indians..... this distress will not change if the deceased were christian or Muslim...even if they are thugs.... I don't need to reiterate this (even when explaining to thugs who have selective amnesia and severely mentally challenged). Here was a catastrophe that IS a slur on India. We were laughing stock in academic circles, that we could still shed blood over irrelevancies. Godhra called for forthwith action to arrest the culprits and prevent the conflagaration. If nothing else... to send a message that the Government was determined to provide stability and protect international image. What has Gujarat witnessed with the connivance of the home ministry .....armed and organised marauding mobs.... With voters list, municipal records and registrar of companies information picking out and targetting a section of Indians through 'guilt by association'. The Government supports a bandh which turns violent. Refuses to give an already infiltrated police force the necessary mandate to quell the violence , which by now....was almost entirely one sided after Godhra. Discriminates on relief measures. THIS IS CLASSIC FASCISM !!!!!!!!!!!!! I love my country AND cannot support this government's fascist (in) actions and faudulent EXERCISE of authority. It is a fraud on the constitution of India. It is a slur on the fair name of my country and the tolerance of its ancient civilsation. It is a fraud on human rights declarations of the UN which our country has willingly acknowledged as the way forward for a progressive world. It is evident to me who is subverting the constituion of India and waging insidious war against the Indian state. The government of the day at Delhi and Gandhinagar! Love for my country and its people will not detract from being critical of those who are attempting to divide it by rivers of blood and hatred .... in process handing over MY country to the new East India companies entering the country in droves with rapacious intent ....through the back door of globalisation and liberalisation. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 125 of 268 ) Lehar, Wah re wah, what a great patriotic speech. Now what was that you were saying about inviting external entities to come and haul away members of the Indian government, who also happen to be representatives of the Indian state....I am sure everone here will completely understand your patriotism when you repeat your thought about asking the chinese and the americans to come and arrest the prime minister and home minister of India. Somebody hand this cretin a medal, please. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 126 of 268 ) As for "academic circles" in India, these communist turds became non entities in the Indian system a long time back. Other than creating clones of themselves who go and puke communist rhetoric all over the Indian media, these fifth-rate "intellectuals" in the Indian academia are worthless as far as Indian interests are concerned. |
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kperiyar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 127 of 268 ) Apastambha Dharma Sutra III, 10-26, says: The tongue of a Shudra, who spoke evil about a BRAHMIN should be cut off. A Shudra who dared to assume a position of equality with the first three castes was to be flogged. If a Shudra overheard a recitation of the Vedas, molten tin was to be poured into his ears; if he repeated the Vedas his tongue should be cut and if he remembered Vedic hymns, his body was to be torn into pieces. MANU, 167-272 says: Let the king never slay even though a Brahmin may have committed all possible crimes. Also MANU, 167-272 says: If a Shudra arrogantly teaches Brahmins Dharma, the king shall cause hot oil to be poured into his mouth and ears. So much to TOLERANCE and PEACE in Hinduism!!! I am not even talking about Hindutva. |
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kperiyar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 128 of 268 ) RIG VEDA Translation from, http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda /rv03034.htm Verse 9: He gained possession of the Sun and Horses, Indra obtained the Cow who feedeth many. Treasure of gold he won; he SMOTE the Dasyus, and gave protection to the Aryan colour.(cut and paste from the above site) SMOTE - To inflict a heavy blow on, with or as if with the hand, a tool, or a weapon. Dasyus - Light skinned dravidians who were living in Indus valley civilisation and later day shudras of north india So many verses in Rig Veda talk about Terrorism in Hinduism which are very similar to Terrorism in Islam. BTW I am not trying to defend or offend any religion. |
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kperiyar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 129 of 268 ) karapall u madarchod,i am an SC!!Ask me about the discriminations and intolerance in hinduism.U suar ki aulad!!u casteist!!u are trying to veil the atrocities which u caste hindus have inflicted over us from centuries.Ask me how it feels when: 1)ur classmates dont share their lunchbox with u in school. 2)u r beaten up badly just b`coz u dared to talk to a caste hindu girl in the college campus. 3)the mom of ur caste hindu friend starts cleansing the drawing room even before u r out of the main gate. 4)u come to know that ur great grand mother was a devdasi who served as a sex slave to the caste hindus. 5)u hear that the women from the labour class of your community are frequently raped by builders,contractors etc.and when she goes to the police station to complain the policemen rape her too...to be contd |
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kperiyar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 130 of 268 ) 6)your father`s caste hindu colleagues never allow their children to mix with u and u r always looked down upon. 7)u hear that ur relatives who are living out there in villages are not allowed to take water from the common village well nor are they allowed to enter the temples.While passing through the thakur`s haveli they have to take out their shoes and do a big prostrating namaskar. U mother fucker!! u have the cheek to deal with the intolerance of other religions after having practiced the worst form of discrimination ,intolerance and barbarism possible in this world.Its better to kill someone then to relegate him to a second class human. I would have been better off if my ancestors had converted to christianity or islam.These religions atleast dont trouble its own followers but u bastards torment the followers of ur own religion u madarchods. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 131 of 268 ) kperiyar, As I already explained yesterday, you dumb shit, the rig veda verses you are quoting does not exhort hindus to follow indra's example. Besides Indra is a non entity and would lose any popularity contest among the 1000s of hindu gods I am sure. The Quran verses I quoted explicitly exhorts muslims to treat christians and jews as the enemies of islam. Did that get through your thick skull at least now, you brainless scumbag. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 132 of 268 ) For all you secular cretins who claimed that Quran preaches tolerance against other religions, here are the verses from the Quran explicitly calling for the death/destruction of non muslims. 5:51: ...not to make friendship with the jews and christians. 2:191: ...kill the disbelievers whereever we find them... 9:5: ..fight and slay the pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (this is being done quite well in India with the help of the pseudo-secular hindu cretins) 9:123: ..murder them and treat them harshly 8:39: ...and fight them until there is no more persecution, and religion becomes allah's in its entirety My quotes are accurate and the hatred in the Quran is REAL!!! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 133 of 268 ) Three more translations: By Shakir http://www.uah.edu/msa/quranShakir.h tml By Mohammed Pickthall http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_ islam/quran/pickthall/ or download a translation from http://www.quran-islam.org/183.html My quotes are accurate and the hatred in the Quran is REAL!!! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 134 of 268 ) Also, periyar, you stupid turd, hindu is not the same as brahmin. Or did that simple point evade your single neuron? I am not talking about brahmin behavior, even turds like you will probably be classified as hindu, unless your ancestors converted to islam or christianity. So you are essentially pissing on yourself, you worthless dipshit. |
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galaxy 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 135 of 268 ) Periyar, I understand your Angst. I agree with all that you say. There have been and even today in India there are severe attrocities committed by Hindus and obviously claiming licence ,in the name of hinudism and Hindu practices. Hoodlums have hijacked it. Recently even Swami Saraswati the interlocutor on the Babri tangle used it to justify violence. I do not agree with Karapall at all. Brahmins are Hindus. Brahminical hegemony and violations of others dignity and rights in Indian society will naturally bring a slur to the religion that they claim to be adherents of and claim to be custodians of ! This is natural. To avoid even discussion on this will never bring us closer to a solution. Also , to suggest that we should not look at the past (forget about the fact the past merrily continues in the present day realities) is precisely what our RSS and thier supporters should avoid doing. Trying to undo so called 'historical wrongs'. Here too I think Karapall is very conveniently ignoring the issues when it comes to the RSS and thier attempt at galvanizing (hijacking) Hinduism to correct historical wrongs and to 'restore national pride'. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 136 of 268 ) galaxy, No one is suggesting to forget the past...the important thing is not to keep repeating it, as you seem to recommend. Try to get that in your thick skull. Also, I know for a fact that hindus killed during communal riots are not necessarily brahmins. Most of them are poor working class "hindus", usually members of the oppressed classes. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 137 of 268 ) galaxy, Since you claim hoodlums have hijacked "hinduism", maybe you can explain what constitutes "hinduism" and how has it been hijacked. I doubt if cretins like you have thought that far. Hinduism is an amorphous entity and "hijacking" it would be impossible. Why dont you and your other hindu pals start a hindu movement that represents the "true spirit of hinduism" and marginalize the RSS.. after all, if they are fakers, you are sure to get more support than them. Constant whining like a loser is surely not going to help, is it? |
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joy 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 138 of 268 ) Kara bhai, forget these Hindu losers man. Let's celebrate our Lord - the Father, Son and Holy ghost all rolled into one. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 139 of 268 ) joy, bite me, motherfukker. |
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buddha 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 140 of 268 ) periyar ,well said about this manu basics of the great hindu leaders. let me you tell you karapall,there is no bloody religion called hinduism,you moron.it is a great coin on which brahmins have led the lot of other caste to do the dirty work they are incapable off. history has always told us it is this brahmins who betrayed everyone on their benefit.dewan poorniah screwed tippu the great for british .long live brahmin aka rss aka vhp aka bajrang dal!!!!!! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 141 of 268 ) galaxy, you stupid turd, Brahmins are hindus but all hindus are not brahmins. Do you understand??? Secondly, no one is asking you to forget the past. Quite the opposite. what is required is that we not repeat the past by remembering it. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 142 of 268 ) Quran Sura 5 verses 50-53:50. Is it then the judgment of (the times of) ignorance that they desire? And who is better than Allah to judge for a people who are sure? 51. O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. 52. But you will see those in whose hearts is a disease hastening towards them, saying: We fear lest a calamity should befall us; but it may be that Allah will bring the victory or a punish ment from Himself, so that they shall be regretting on account of what they hid in their souls. 53. And those who believe will say: Are these they who swore by Allah with the most forcible of their oaths that they were most surely with you? Their deeds shall go for nothing, so they shall become losers. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 143 of 268 ) Sura 2: verses 17-19 17. Their parable is like the parable of one who kindled a fire but when it had illumined all around him, Allah took away their light, and left them in utter darkness-- they do not see. 18. Deaf, dumb (and) blind, so they will not turn back. 19. Or like abundant rain from the cloud in which is utter darkness and thunder and lightning; they put their fingers into their ears because of the thunder peal, for fear of death, and Allah encompasses the unbelievers. 20. The lightning almost takes away their sight; whenever it shines on them they walk in it, and when it becomes dark to them they stand still; and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have taken away their hearing and their sight; surely Allah has power over all things. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 144 of 268 ) Sura 9: verses 3-63. And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve. 4. Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty). (CHECK THIS OUT!! OPENLY CALLS FOR THE SLAYING OF IDOLATERS, i.e., hindus) 5. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 6. And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 145 of 268 ) Sura 9: verses 122-123 122. And it does not beseem the believers that they should go forth all together; why should not then a company from every party from among them go forth that they may apply themselves to obtain understanding in religion, and that they may warn their people when they come back to them that they may be cautious? 123. O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). |
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mumbai02 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 146 of 268 ) After Indira Gandhi was assassinated by her Sikh bodyguards in 1984 Congress men went on a rampage in Delhi killing thousands of Sikhs. Rajiv Gandhi had the following to say - "When a mighty tree falls, the earth shakes." I dont see how the above statement is any different from Modi's statement that the Ahmedabad violence was a 'reaction' to the Godhra killings. "After the slaughter, various inquiry commissions picked out senior Congress politicians like H K L Bhagat and Sajjan Kumar for their roles in the killing: the commissions found that these men instigated and directed looting, murdering mobs." "Whether under Rajiv, Rao, Kesri or Sonia, the Congress itself has shown no inclination to punish them. Not even to the laughable extent of ostracising them from the party." See the following link for more on this. It is an article by Dilip D'Souza in rediff from 1998. http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/nov/1 9dilip.htm One wonders whether Congress has any 'moral authority' to criticize Modi |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 147 of 268 ) http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Artic les/000/000/001/072kqska.asp Wahabbi fundamentalism in the US. |
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joy 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 148 of 268 ) Kara bhai, forget these Hindu losersand Muslim fundamentalists man. Let's celebrate our Lord - the Father, Son and Holy ghost all rolled into one. |
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Lehar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 149 of 268 ) So we need further proof of FASCISM after the assault on Journalists and the attempts at Muzzling the press? This is our testimony to Democracy? Our belief in debate ? Our belief in the right to information? The fourth estate is NECESSARY and the lifeblood FOR any DEMOCRACY. Can the fourth estate that ensures for its citizens the right to know and to take informed decisions be brutually attacked in any democracy ... if this is not fascism what is !?! This is the repect we have for information and dissent? Do we need further proof of the Fascism that the BJP is steeped in ? Do we need any proof of the purveyors of authoritarianism and fascism ? |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 150 of 268 ) Lehar, As far as the Indian media is concerned, kicking the crap out of them and beating their brains in is very admirable, especially given that these callous bastards take pleasure in the misery of others, and openly create a hue and cry when muslims are thrown out of their homes and remain silent when hindus are thrown out of their homeland and their homes for more than a decade. This is not authoritarianism, let us just say that it is their bad karma catching up with them. Now, what was that again about "fascism"?? I guess you just about ran out of gas and have moved on to the last resort of cretins without substantive arguments. Well done, keep it up. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 151 of 268 ) Lehar claims that the press helps in "information" and "dissent", and is clearly wrong on both counts. The press deliberately provides partial information and euphemism when it comes to violence on hindus such as "Members of a certain community hacked members of a certain other community returning from a ram temple seriously injuring the health of the latter group". As for dissent, since when have the communists and their cronies in the Indian press pressed for genuine dissent against government waste and PSU inefficiency and corruption in govt. banks?? Not for the past two decades as far as I can tell. Hapless turds like these are not "journalists" but avowedly politically-partisan communist pigs who need a kick in the head and fear for their lives to report the truth and nothing but the whole truth, WITHOUT obfuscation and hindu-baiting. |
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galaxy 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 152 of 268 ) To beleive that the 'whole truth' is the preserve of any section is in itself a humungous lie . That is exactly the reason why we are having so much of problem with religious bigots. Each of them believes they own the whole truth . To suggest that the sole proprietorship of the truth gives a licence for physical attack and abuse and even liquidation this is incredible! It suggests the bankruptcy of thought and complete lack of respect for other peoples opinions if they differ from our own.To think that this happens only in fundamentalist Muslim countries. Take a look at free speech. With such worthy compatriots how can India be far behind Saudi Arabia? Least of all the hypocricy should end. One cannot have debate with intellectually dishonest individuals who would believe that the whole truth is their preserve and gives them licence to attack ...but not so for other fundamentalist of the Islamic kind ! |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 153 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava hey vernacular PeeRace... fascism is translated in Hindi as faasiiwaad... now tathagat renames it... as 'farsaawaad' or 'pharsawaad'... in the wake of light thrown on it by GARY LEUPP @ Counter Punch... "'Fascism' comes from the Latin word fasces, a bundle of rods with an axe blade stuck out of it. In Rome, about 2000 years ago (you know, when Jesus was alive), it meant power. Having fasces was a way to scare and impress people. People disagree about what fascism is, exactly. But pretty much everybody agrees that Germany and Italy were fascist by the 1930s, and many think Japan was too, from the '30s up to the end of World War II, and that there was fascism in Spain and Portugal and Greece and Hungary and other places. A guy named Benito Mussolini came to power in Italy and started cracking down on people's freedoms to say and write stuff, to organize, to protest, and then Adolph Hitler (you've heard of him) took charge in Germany and did the same thing. Mussolini's the one who started using this term "fascism." Then a guy named Francisco Franco overthrew the democratic government in Spain with German and Italian help. There were differences between these thugs, and it wasn't really clear to a lot of people, at the beginning, that they were all somehow connected and that they made up a new system, like a new disease or something. "One thing that linked them was the way they tried to scare people into supporting war---endless war, a culture of war. Italy invaded Ethiopia, Germany invaded Czechoslovakia, Japan took control of Manchuria as the first step in its invasion of China. The fascist governments told their peoples that they were under attack, and had to fight back. And lots of people believed them. One of Hitler's top officials, Hermann Goering, said before he was sentenced to death after World War II that 'Naturally the common people don't want war But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.' Goering was a pretty sharp guy, actually; that's the scary thing. When these vicious guys are in power they can sometimes win over millions of people who just don't think. India Modi-fied : Gujarat offers us clear glimpses of a Hindu fascist polity working within a totalitarian Hindu worldview BY GIRISH PATEL / Communalism Combat The average Indian knows little to nothing about these issues, or, too often, believes the opposite of the truth. How can the public in a nation with such enormous communications resources be so blind to what is really going on? Fun Republic Ad... its not gussa u idiots... people seem 2 be learning on qaaf but kH and gH still unlearned... so many electronic media people should have known all this when they started... but years on they are as rustic as 99.999% of the people... Paakisstaan ka bana kii sab cream chaTT gayii... ;) reh gaye... dehaatii rustic fookin' idiots... ;) where is Saleha Waseem gone NDTV?... she was the only one who knew it all in this whole rusticstaan... 3% supermacist brahmin ruiling the roost... they r everywhere in plenty... as long as brahmin and Jew live with superrmacist attitude there won't be any peace on earth... :( |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 154 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Gary Leupp: Talking to Your Kids About Fascism... was a way to scare and impress people. People disagree about what fascism is, exactly. But pretty much everybody agrees that Germany and Italy were fascist by the 1930s, and many think Japan was too, from the '30s up to the end of World War II, and that there was fascism in Spain and Portugal and Greece ... |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 155 of 268 ) tathagat: "suggests the bankruptcy of thought and complete lack of respect for other peoples opinions if they differ from our own" Says a communist motherfucker whose comrades have been pissing on hindus who did not agree with the communist/congress anti-hindu "secularism". Communist and congresswallahs have always been lying, murdering slimeballs and assholes who held on to power by pure brute force and by rewriting Indian history to satisfy their muslim vote bank. These are the same MFs, akin to this dumbshit teenager tathagat here, who complain loudly about the lack of a "honest discourse" and "intellectual honesty" whenever they are exposed to be a bunch of lying, communal motherfuckers wearing the cloak of pseudo-"secularism". |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 156 of 268 ) Secondly, we have Antonia Maino, the daugther of a KNOWN SUPPORTER OF THE ITALIAN FASCIST BENITO MUSSOLINI!!! (I wonder why hindu groups are not highlighting this fact) who heads a quasi-feudal organization called the "Congress party". These motherfuckers have the audacity to call a genuinely democratic (so far) political party by the BJP. Though I must say that the BJP's granting tickets to criminals in Gujarat makes it increasingly like the congress party.(the congress has also granted 30-40 seats to known criminals in the current Gujarat election) |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 157 of 268 ) Karapall, you deluded desperate knicker bocker. The BJP facisms suddenly pales into insignificance next to Sonias fathers political (supposedly) inclination??. Are you sick or just plain molested??? Your point on Gujarat, goes to show the complete degradation of that Sanghi Society.. and politicians can only be a mirror of the rot |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 158 of 268 ) Tatagat: Brilliant post 153. Karapal: Remember we were talking about federalism.. well dickhead.. look at what Patton Anton, and velu "jessus Christ" Prabakaran have managed in Lanka! :-)))) Get it dumpfuck, the concept of a country is as powerfull as its use to a people. The Concept of the Lankan nation could not be owned by the Buddhists/sinhala alone. Sameway the concept of India cannot be owned by the Bramo cow turds and their cohorts. After 3 years of recuperation, we will come after you, oh Karapall Sanghi :-).. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 159 of 268 ) Gandalf: "BJP facisms suddenly pales into insignificance next to Sonias fathers political (supposedly) inclination??. " I see. Care to explain how the BJP's rule is worse than Benito Mussolinis?? Let us start with the carting off of italian jews to concentration camps. This kind of spit-and-run is not going to work anymore, you LTTE piece of human garbage. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 160 of 268 ) Gandalf: "Sameway the concept of India cannot be owned by the Bramo cow turds and their cohorts." Nobody other than you and your periyar cocksucking gang ever said it is owned by a specific group of people, you devious lying LTTE puke. India is by and large an equal oppurtunity country (whereever the laws can be implemented without some corrupt motherfucker like you selling off favors for money; and these corrupt bastards come from across the board). |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 161 of 268 ) Note how these separatist motherfuckers openly provide ammunition to foreign govts. to screw a NATIONAL political party. These are the same motherfuckers who would like to tell us that their patriotism is beyond question even if they openly assist foreign govts. in embarrassing the govt. of India. I would really like this separatist shit Gandalf to explain how assisting foreign govts. against the Indian govt. amounts to patriotism. Do you also believe that the color "black" is actually white? |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 162 of 268 ) I do not expect any better topic for discussion from vermin that have made a career out of selling their own mothers - repeatedly. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 163 of 268 ) "Bengal Cong. leaders have ISI links: CPI(M)" http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/11/21/stor ies/2002112103341200.htm "Uproar in LS over remarks against Sonia" http://www.newsonweb.com/chennaionline/newsitem.as p?NEWSID={3428EFB0-DB79-461F-B130-E91B227BE423}&CA TEGORYNAME=PARL "Temple attack a reaction to Gujarat: CPI(M)" http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_108209,0008 0001.htm "CPI-ML faction to honour kin of 1000 Naxalites" http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/15naxal.htm "Rape, tape and lies in Bengal CPM village" http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEP200 21124223236&Page=P&Title=States&rLink=0 |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 164 of 268 ) msg. 163 is a sample of the latest list of crimes of the 2C parties (commies and congress). Both are nothing but a mafia cabal of smugglers, traitors, murderers and rapists. And it requires a brain that it totally fucked up, eid biriyani style, by a herd of camel and pig fuckers to say that BJP is a fascist organisation in the backdrop of the mafiac congress and communists that is wielding the goonda and mafia power in India - for the past 55 years. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 165 of 268 ) Suddenly, all the saffronites (looney right, euphemistically put) are making all the right noises !!! First, Togadia calls antonia maino an italian bitch (thereby even attracting attention to her main time career of bitching and prostituting around!). And boy! did that silence the kaangress dick and cunt suckers ? and how! Then, Singhal calls TOI, IE and The Hindu as anti national and anti hindu publications. Boy! the press bums were so 'red' faced that they staged a walkout (kaangress and commie ishtyle)!! Now, Modi calls Congress party "the mother of terrorism" and "the party responsible for all problems faced by the country" AND ALL OF THEM 100% TRUE. Way to go saffron sanghis! pump it up more! till it goes into all the openings of the pimps and bitches in the kaangress, CPs and the media !!! |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 166 of 268 ) Hehehehe, so what? This just shows the tru colours of the Sangh. |
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sinbad 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 167 of 268 ) Talking about suppression of dissent and debate, one may be permitted to recall the umpteen fasts unto death undertaken by Mohandas Karambhrashta to blackmail the Congress and Indian people to follow his own line of thinking. Chachu Jawahar Lalgand's temper tantrums are well documented. He virtually stopped talking to Babu Rajendra Prasad, the President of India, as Rajendra Prasad fearlessly supported the plan of rebuilding Somnath temple ,and other key temples,which were desecrated by the maderchods.Compare Babu Rajendra Prasad with pigmies like Zakir Hussain and Fuckru Allah Ahmed who were made token presidents to appease an antinational minority. One should also not forget the suspicious death of Dr. Shyama Prasad Mukherjee, and the resignations of giants like C D. Deshmukh from Nehru's kitchen cabinet in disgust with his dictatorial approach. Why was the great freedom fighter Jay Prakash Narayan disillusined with the Congress, same with Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. |
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sinbad 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 168 of 268 ) Clitoris, Would you kindly enlighten us well educated, well read mortals, how the POTO is worse than MISA or are you just blabbering away platitudes. |
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sinbad 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 169 of 268 ) Clitoris, your name suggests you are a catholic. The chances are your ancestors were converted by force or by fraud. Have you thought of becoming a Hindu or a Sikh again and redress a horrible wrong? You could uplift your future generations as well as yourself by this act of Shuddhikaran(Repurification) |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 170 of 268 ) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2566375.stm< br> The italian whore Antonia Maino gets her italian govt. to stop the extradition of her bosom friend Quattrochi to India. This italian whore who owns the cowardly, dickless cocksuckers in the congress party OPENLY flaunts her italian leanings in public, and IT TAKES THE BBC TO GIVE THIS NEWS. THIS IS BECAUSE ALL THE PSEUDO_SECULAR MOTHERFUCKERS IN THE ENGLISH MEDIA ARE PRO_CONGRESS PIECES OF HUMAN GARBAGE. |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 171 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Propaganda : Common techniques > Word games : Name calling Propaganda : Common techniques > Special appeals: Fear "The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might, and the Republic is in danger. Yes - danger from within and without. We need law and order! Without it our nation cannot survive." - Adolf Hitler, 1932 When a propagandist warns members of her audience that disaster will result if they do not follow a particular course of action, she is using the fear appeal. By playing on the audience's deep-seated fears, practitioners of this technique hope to redirect attention away from the merits of a particular proposal and toward steps that can be taken to reduce the fear. This technique can be highly effective when wielded by a fascist demagogue, but it is typically used in less dramatic ways. Consider the following: A television commercial portrays a terrible automobile accident (the fear appeal), and reminds viewers to wear their seat-belts (the fear-reducing behavior). A pamphlet from an insurance company includes pictures of houses destroyed by floods (the fear appeal), and follows up with details about home-owners' insurance (the fear-reducing behavior). A letter from a pro-gun organization begins by describing a lawless America in which only criminals own guns (the fear appeal), and concludes by asking readers to oppose a ban on automatic weapons (the fear-reducing behavior). Since the end of the second world war, social psychologists and communication scholars have been conducting empirical studies in order to learn more about the effectiveness of fear appeals. Some have criticized the conceptualization of the studies, and others have found fault with the experimental methods, but the general conclusions are worth considering, if not accepting. "All other things being equal, the more frightened a person is by a communication, the more likely her or she is to take positive preventive action."(Pratkanis and Aronson, 1991) Fear appeals will not succeed in altering behavior if the audience feels powerless to change the situation. Fear appeals are more likely to succeed in changing behavior if they contain specific recommendations for reducing the threat that the audience believes are both effective and doable. In summary, there are four elements to a successful fear appeal: 1) a threat, 2) a specific recommendation about how the audience should behave, 3) audience perception that the recommendation will be effective in addressing the threat, and 4) audience perception that they are capable of performing the recommended behavior. When fear appeals do not include all four elements, they are likely to fail. Pratkanis and Aronson provide the example of the anti-nuclear movement, which successfully aroused public fear of nuclear war, but offered few specific recommendations that people perceived as effective or doable. By contrast, fall-out shelters were enormously popular during the 1950s because people believed that shelters would protect them from nuclear war, and installing a shelter was something that they could do. ---> Cont..., |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 172 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava ...In a similar fashion, during the 1964 campaign, Lyndon Johnson was said to have swayed many voters with a well-known television commercial that portrayed a young girl being annihilated in a nuclear blast. This commercial linked nuclear war to Barry Goldwater (Johnson's opponent), and proposed a vote for Johnson as an effective, doable way of avoiding the threat. In contemporary politics, the fear-appeal continues to be widespread. When a politician agitates the public's fear of immigration, or crime, and proposes that voting for her will reduce the threat, she is using this technique. When confronted with persuasive messages that capitalize on our fear, we should ask ourselves the following questions: Is the speaker exaggerating the fear or threat in order to obtain my support? How legitimate is the fear that the speaker is provoking? Will performing the recommended action actually reduce the supposed threat? When viewed dispassionately, what are the merits of the speaker's proposal? Thank Modi for the mirror, honestly : The Gujarat CM captures the space we all wished to believe was never there By Jay Mazoomdaar in IE Now, to the voter : At the end of a vicious election campaign, Gujarat stands at the crossroads : IE Edit Psywar Terror Tactics by Jon Elliston / Dossier Editor SPEECH : 'Secularism Is India's Destiny' Full text of the speech - Conflict And Coexistence In Our Age - by the Congress president at the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies , Oxford University, Friday, 29th November 2002 By SONIA GANDHI |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 173 of 268 ) Tathagat: "Propaganda : Common techniques > Word games : Name calling Propaganda : Common techniques > Special appeals: Fear" I see, so this is the rationale behind the communist/congress propaganda about "hindu fascism" that is clearly to drive fear into the hearts of minorities about the majority community. Thanks for explaining where you are coming from, you communist dipshit. When you commie/congress pseudo-secular motherfuckers do anti-hindu propaganda by raising fears of hindu terrorism (when there is yet a single act of terrorism to be committed by a single group), you are clearly out to exagerrate the fear of hindu groups among the common man. Nice try, communist motherfuckers. Now understand that two can play that game. |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 174 of 268 ) Karapall Post 170: "IT TAKES THE BBC TO GIVE THIS NEWS" Whast news?.. I appeal to all to read the BBC link he has posted. Please tell me if there is any connection between Karapall's post 170 and the information in the link. I agree that others can have divergent views of issues, but what is the sence in lying like Karappal. He is so blatant because he knows only about 10% of the readers would bother to click the link. Karapall you are a disgusting coward just like all you ilk. Be direct and honest like the rest.. Its OK it your views are different but why do you need to lie |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 175 of 268 ) "Hehehehe, so what? This just shows the tru colours of the Sangh." No choothiya, it shows the true 'colors' of your pope dick sucking bitch, the anti national and anti hindu media pimps and prostitutes and the kaangress dickless wonders. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 176 of 268 ) "When a propagandist warns members of her audience......" Islam khatre mein hain - Islam is in danger! This is the first reaction of any muslim, whatever and however it happens to him! Even a muslim having a roadside accident will say it. And commie fucks like tatagot dump this ingenuous trick of muslims on the sanghis! |
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Satnam 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 177 of 268 ) Vikram, Please,realize that the current pope does not have any equipment,serious. He employs a tube,he sacrificed everything when he could not control his urge for pedophilia. What a pity they do not allow video cameras in the vatican,what a loss to the porn industry.And how innovative. First gay sex then lesbianism now pederasty.Ducks and chicken have been mentioned in serious literature as are baboons. Who knows elephants may be next. Participating nuns may get sainthood for PERFORMING miracles. |
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Satnam 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 178 of 268 ) Gandalf and this asshole Tattaghat should be sent to the Vatican as Choir Boys. Wonder what miracles may be performed on them there. |
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jdar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 179 of 268 ) Gujarat results -- A HARD SLAP (a resounding one) on the face of 'Secularists', 'Cogressis', Jihadis and Commies. Friends, time to rejoice!!!! |
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jdar 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 180 of 268 ) Gujarat results -- A HARD SLAP (a resounding one) on the face of 'Secularists', 'Cogressis', Jihadis and Commies. Friends, time to rejoice!!!! |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 181 of 268 ) "Gujarat results -- A HARD SLAP (a resounding one) on the face of Secularists...." A hard slap yes. But on their fat arse. Not on their face. |
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Stephen 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 182 of 268 ) Win by BJP has shown Indians don't have the conscience, they have wronged themselves by electing the govt which carried out the pogrom against their own people! The country was one of my favourite holiday locations, I shudder even to think of going back there. I hope the better sense will prevail and there will be peace once more so that I can be come and relax in the beaches of Goa. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 183 of 268 ) Stephen" "Win by BJP has shown Indians don't have the conscience," You white motherfuckers who have been destroying peoples and cultures for the past three hundred years, and yet here you come and sermonize to use here how Indians dont have a conscience. What does it say about your conscience? you slimy white motherfucker. "they have wronged themselves by electing the govt which carried out the pogrom against their own people! " You white motherfuckers in the US carried on racist policies until 1967 (300 years after declaring indpendence), and you come and lecture to us here?? Clean your own house first, you devious white motherfucker. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 184 of 268 ) America was born on the graves of all the native americans, all of whom were systematically eliminated --total genocide. Even now these american natives are given "reservations" and encouraged to stick in there in extreme poverty. And you come and lecture to us Indians about how we do not have a conscience. Do you have any sense of shame or conscience, you slimy white piece of shit Stephen. Please do enlighten us a little more on why dirty brown Indians on why you whites have a better conscience than Indians. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 185 of 268 ) So tell me, stephen, are you involved in missionary-type activists in India. Otherwise, I dont see why an ignorant white shithead like you would have an allergy for the BJP. You are clearly unaware of Indian politics and the positive role played by thew BJP in the past decade in economic liberalization and forward-thinking policies. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 186 of 268 ) Stephen: "The country was one of my favourite holiday locations, I shudder even to think of going back there." Stay away if you want, motherfucker. India is just as stable and peaceful as it has been; any disturbance or violence is of islamic origin, just like the post-Godhra riots were started due to Godhra. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 187 of 268 ) The BJP has done a better job of governance and policy-making than any of the so-called "secular" parties such as the congress party (Which play the most viciously communal politics in India). |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 188 of 268 ) Stephen, a white bastard rants - "Win by BJP has shown Indians don't have the conscience, they have wronged themselves by electing the govt which carried out the pogrom against their own people....." No, you dickless wonder. You fuckers don't even know how to count your votes and you lecture us on conscience? Fucker, first learn to count 1 to 1000 first before you lecture indians on what to do. You dimwits who don't even know the enemy that hits them are ill placed to even say Hi to us. Now go and continue with your shagging arsehole. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 189 of 268 ) Stephen, a missionary dick sucker But I do sympathise with you that you white gowned pedophiles are gonna be out of business in Gujarat soon (after TN) once Modi introduces anti-conversion laws. And I do understand that you will have lesser number of local boys to hump around. But then thats life, you dildo dependent bastard. Anyway, thanx to missionary propoganda that people now think more about Modi than even about Gandhi !!! Thanks again for all the free propoganda and advertisement that you dimwits provided. And please do keep it up ! |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 190 of 268 ) and Stephen dear, you are not alone! BJP victory setback for secular democracy : CPI http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/un comp/articleshow?artid=31267899 Commies are pimps who know not the meaning of either 'secular' or 'democracy' and they rant about its setback!!! Just like missionary terrorists like you that hump kids and talk of conscience !!! |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 191 of 268 ) And if BJP is a fascist organisation, then 2.20 crores gujaratis who voted for BJP are fascists! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 192 of 268 ) http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=&id=1 04745 The father of modern communal politics in India, Arjun Singh, who is also the senior congress leader in charge of the Gujarat ccampaign and who has been orchestrating vote bank politics in India for many decades. This slimy piece of human Garbage Arjun Singh has the gall to pretend that he is a secular person, when he is verily the devil that carried on Indira Gandhi's communal vote bank politics (when Indira and Rajiv were alive, this scumbag and Pranab Mukerjee were the biggest sycophants of the lot, and that means something when you are talking about Antonia Maino's congress party. |
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every 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 193 of 268 ) BJP is the only secular party in India. The only problem with BJP is they don't hate Hindus like the Congress ( The B Team of Muslim league). |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 194 of 268 ) 'Fatwa politics' drowns Congress http://www.dailypioneer.com/secon3.asp?cat=\story5 &d=FRONT_PAGE HAHAHA HOHOHO That a sword has two edges the fucking congis realised that only now. And they ended up getting severely pierced. |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 195 of 268 ) "And if BJP is a fascist organisation, then 2.20 crores gujaratis who voted for BJP are fascists!" Correct, Vikramji |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 196 of 268 ) Stephen could be whiet, black or Asian. I really dont see logic to make heim a missionary. But its good that he gets a taste of this country from the board. Stephen. who really cares about your holiday destination. It seems your only issue with Gujarat is that a peaceful holiday destination is made unstable. It is time you guys also looked at India as a nation of varied people and be more concerned with the pilght of its people. |
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sinbad 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 197 of 268 ) Yes, this asshole Stephen could be black,white, Asian or more likeky,a local Jehadi vermin under a pseudonym. The history of mankind through the ages has shown that the world respects those that have self respect,and possese will and character.No one respects those who have mastered the art of shamelessly appeasing their sworn enemieslike the Indian Antinational congress led by the whore Sonia. Does anyone think Paapiland respectes the brigade of pimps and whores like our Christian whore Arundhati and other shameless asskissers like Vinod Mehata, Shekhar Gupta, N Ram et al.They will show far greater respect to BT. |
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sinbad 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 198 of 268 ) During the last couple of General Elections the BJP and like minded allies have been polling some 35% of the po[ular vote with the Paapilover Congress polling a couple points lower.Now a vast majority of maderchods and makapavs vote for Congress as the Congress is Antinational.Take the maderchods out, One is left with roughly two Hindus voting BJP while one votes for the Gaddar party. According to Fati Gand Begum 66% Hindus are Fascists!!!!!! And the whole world would say Hinduism is the most tolerant faith!!!!!And this is very well documented. |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 199 of 268 ) "And the whole world would say Hinduism is the most tolerant faith!!!!!And this is very well documented" Unfortunately, this story is fast getting clarified. In this day and age do you think that you can hide your madness. And its not that All Hindus are facist, Just like All Germans were not Facist or all Italians or all Spanish. But poeple are simple, and in a society with so much problems as ours, the people are fodder for evil disembowelers of pregnant women as yourselves. At a point of time, Franco had popular support, so also Hitler and so also many others. It does not mean a thing |
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every 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 200 of 268 ) Why should Hindus care if somebody calls them fascist ? Let the pseudo secular bastards bark. Hindus are the favorite punching bag for the pseudo secular media . Hindus have to protect themeselves . Hindus must get united . Hindu haters , Hindutva haters want us to stay divided so that they can carry out the vilification campaign against Hindus and Hinduism. the pseudo secular pigs whole-heartedly hate VHP , RSS and other Hindu organizations simply because they speak for Hindus... For these motherfuckers Congress is secular , CPI is secular because these assholes will Blame Hindus for everything including Kashmir , they blamed Hindus for Coimbatore bomb blast , bombay blast and everything. The congress is the modern day Muslim league. Hindus must not forget how CONGRESS held Hindus guilty for GODHRA CARNAGE !!! They are doing this again and again simply to please their Muslim masters. Muslims have never ending hatred for all non-muslims, their religion suggests them to hate and they are very religious. Many of the "liberals" and "seculars" are speaking about dividing India again. Without any doubt they are Muslims. India is too weak a country. Otherwise these enemies of India would have been tracked down and killed in cold blood. These bastards won't dare doing the same in China . That is why China is respected world-wide. Here in India our "liberal" magazines like outlook is providing a good platform to spread anti-india messages by these pigs. |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 201 of 268 ) every, are you sick in the head?.. Hindu, Hindu, Hindu, Hindu, ...Hahhaha. The Sangh is desperate to ensure its the spokes man for Hindus.. Despite the fact that most of its opposers are Hindus |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 202 of 268 ) Gandalf: "Just like All Germans were not Facist" But THEY WERE, you braindead piece of shit. Other than a tiny minority, all germans were behind hitler's dreams of world domination and bought into this bullshit about racial superiority, you brainless piece of shit. Don't lie if you dont know the facts. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 203 of 268 ) Gandalf: "Despite the fact that most of its opposers are Hindus" Communist and pseudo-secular cocksuckers are not representatives of hinduism, any more than you are, you stupid piece of crap. |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 204 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Edits : Triumph of Moditva : In all the dazzle, PM has to decide: is this a foreshadow of the party’s future? : IE 'Fatwa politics' drowns Congress By R K Misra/Ahmedabad [that's a fascist propaganda... even CPIM saying the same... r they? Zee News’s film 13 December, a reconstruction of the conspiracy before the attack on Parliament last year, was disappointing... tathagat found it so poor in quality and technique that couldn't even watch as a media monitor.... lol... In Britain, an eye on Gujarat : Indians were not the only ones who awaited the results with keen interest By Seema Alavi in IE After victory dance, BJP’s tightrope walk : NDA: Next year is poll year, pressure builds from RSS, VHP; Advani to play key role By Neerja Chowdhury in IE Nani’s India, between Modi & VeerappanIE Naanii was a depressed man towards the end. The loss of moral decencies in public life and the rise of scoundrels to political power seemed to hurt him personally. He is gone. ...His India is gone. Let the Philistines now come and feast upon the remains. [they r here... and @ it...] By T J S George in IE |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 205 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Fascism - A philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism. Fascist movements are growing. Fascist violence is increasing. Fascist techniques of recruitment run the range from simple and inexpensive, to sophisticated and technologically advanced, and are aimed with specificity at every age-group and social class. Is there a solution? Yes. An anti-fascist movement must be built. It must have two thrusts, two lines of development. On the one hand, fascist organizations must be exposed, combated, and destroyed. On the other hand, in order to eliminate the soil in which fascism grows, state and capitalist exploitation must be reversed. The slogan of the day ought to be: more funds - not less - for health care, unemployment insurance, welfare, and education; more authentic and satisfying jobs, not more layoffs. What is required is not more soup kitchens, but more militancy. The new fascist offensive can be defeated. All we need is the courage, the skill, the unity, and most importantly, the organization, to carry it through. -David Lethbridge Austrian workers' heroic anti-fascist past Haider and thither : A history of coming and going casts doubt on the resignation of the leader of Austria's far-right Freedom party, writes Kate Connolly / guardian.co.uk Dealing With The F-Word : A Book Review by Stephen Gowans / swans.com A Poster The Left and the Fight for Women's Liberation By Aileen O Carroll 1993? FIGHTING FASCISM : Fascism is a viciously authoritarian type of capitalism, usually extremely racist, sexist and homophobic. "What is Fascism, at bottom, but the direct product of the failure to achieve socialism ?" Leon Trotsky's pamphlet FASCISM : What It Is and How To Fight It |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 206 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava ...pretending now 2 go status quo... NDA agenda prime n all stuff... but that's double speak... actually they carry on fascist agenda... but i am tempted 2 imagine the end 4 them lumpen... how did the Italian Fascist went down... king called him... [let me look stuff i got in me disks... and hey Monster moaDii & co u got ur Fascism from Italy including the knicker... and the salute... [Hindutva’s foreign tie-up in the 1930s: archival evidence By Marzia Casolari] Sonia Devii born amidst the fall of this menace... yet didn't learn ways and means to combat fascism... it is not happening 4 the first time... they've been there b4 & v know how 2 encounter and curb them... these fascist enemy of the nation... thugs should be pull down ASAP... ah louii Xvi example came 2 me mind... here is Mussolini the end.... By July 1943, Italy had lost all of it colonies in Africa, and most of its army, and was being invaded. Mussolini was deposed by a revolt within his own Fascist Grand Council, and Victor Emmanuael III, the King of Italy, who had been reduced to a figurehead by Mussolini, appointed Marshal Badoglio to be the new Prime Minister. Mussolini was arrested, while Italy attempted to change sides. In the southern part of Italy, occupied by the Allies, this succeeded, and the new Italian government helped create the Italian Co-Belligerent Forces. Hitler sent German paratroops to rescue Mussolini from the mountaintop resort where he was imprisoned. He then set up the Italian Social Republic in German-held northern Italy, with Mussolini as its leader. When the Germans surrendered in northern Italy, in April, 1945, Mussolini was arrested again. He and his mistress, [these sanghii bhangiis are all kuNwaara... soo fookin' dedicated 2 their fascism... lol...] Clara Petacci, were removed from the jail at Giulino di Messegra and lynched, by the local Communist partisans. ...so ur loov 4 fascism will give u shame and an end like Mussolinii or ur lampaT gobar chhaap adminstration/governance will give yoooz an end like the french monarch... u being there i don't think it wud rain... may be u end end up like the french monarch... [u got sooo much grain but no moolah to moov... lol... what a babooonland... INCshould launch some kinda movement... how2combat false fascist propaganda mechenics... 2 cottage Industry revolution... 2 training a few thousand cadres into 'statescraft'... business of governance and legislation... rules of parliament etc., Mrs G should ask her grassroot workers 2 work 4 this massive effort... cajoling citizen 2 work 4 their own upliftment and development... INC ruled states should announce massive programmes of abridging illiteracy and digital divid simoultaniously... |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 207 of 268 ) Muslims are not repentant for Godhra: Vajpayee http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/de c/17pm1.htm WONDERFUL! At last the old man wakes up to reality and has spoken. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 208 of 268 ) Tathagat: "Is there a solution?" Aah, so you communist cocksuckers are now part of the "solution", eh? how wonderful. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 209 of 268 ) Govt grant of Rs. 97 lakh for Udvada By: A Mid Day Correspondent December 18,2002 The Central government has released a grant-in-aid of Rs 97.27 lakh to Gujarat for the preservation of Udvada town, the home of the Iranshah, which is the most sacred fire of the Parsis. The Gujarat government has allocated an additional Rs 24.32 lakh for the purpose. The Udvada project will initially establish a museum and cultural centre, a tourist lodge-cum-reception centre, heritage walk, and an annual festival for Parsis from around the world. It will also organise a tourist circuit of all the places where the holy fire was kept prior to its consecration at Udvada in 1742. This continuously burning sacred fire remained at the landing post of Sanjan for 669 years, then was shifted to the Bahrot Caves in 1393. It was next hidden in the Vansda forest from 1405 to 1418 before being shifted to Navsari for 313 years. After that it was taken to Surat, back to Navsari, Valsad and finally Udvada. The Udvada project has been entrusted to a core group comprising eminent Parsis, including Dinshaw K Tamboly, Jehangir R J Cama, Minoo R Shroff, Burjor H Antia, Homai N Modi and Homi B Dhalla. Till this group is registered as a non-governmental organisation, the World Zoroastrian Organisation will receive funds. An appeal is being made to Parsis the world over and other Indians to contribute generously. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 210 of 268 ) So thats it folks - an organisation/party that supports islamic and christian causes and funds (however disruptive, violent and terroristic these are) them are SECULAR. an organisation/party that supports or funds hindu, parsi, sikh and buddist causes (however peaceful and socially needed they are) are FASCIST. And people who don't believe and follow this are sanghis, saffronists, rightists, chaddiwallahs, idol worshippers, heathens, kafirs....... |
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babloo 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 211 of 268 ) tathagat: "INCshould launch some kinda movement... how2combat false fascist propaganda mechenics... 2 cottage Industry revolution... 2 training a few thousand cadres into 'statescraft'... business of governance and legislation... rules of parliament etc., " LOL!!! So, mr. tathagat, the congressmen have been busy groveling before the Nehru Family and the italian daughter-in-law. What makes you think that they have any vision for the country's future. You might not agree with the BJP, but at least they do have their vision of India's future and seem to be working towards it. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 212 of 268 ) INC itself has been a fascist organisation since the times of the syphilitic chacha nehru. And abetted ably by the pimpish media. And now it has turned into a terrorist organisation. A party that aided LTTE. The mother aided the LTTE but unfortunately the son got caught in the crossfire! A party that continues to aid insurgency and separatism in the North East and Kashmir. A party that has now tied up with Al Qaeeda thru' bin laden's family members. Going global, eh? Take care, the CON-gress might get globally bust! |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 213 of 268 ) "You might not agree with the BJP, but at least they do have their vision of India's future and seem to be working towards it." You can say that again! .. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 214 of 268 ) Time for the JOKE OF THE DAY: Thus speaketh Congress spokesman S Jaipal Reddy "It (the Gujarat election) was a one-time discharge of emotions. If Lok Sabha or even Assembly elections were held once again, the Congress would sweep Gujarat." Sexy words he uses - one time 'discharge'. Guess he should know the most about discharges since he is the one in charge of it w.r.t antonia maino and bianca vadhra. HAHAHAHAHA - Is this pimp saying that CONgress will win if elections are held again 2morow? Or is he perchance saying that CONgress members will stand for the election of ‘Sewage Board workers Union’ and sweep the streets of Gujarat? HEHEHEHEEEEEE. HOOHOHOHOHOHO. This is just great. Why does'nt someone start a thread on - 'Is CONgress a Funny Organization?' |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 215 of 268 ) "Dawood’s designs in Gujarat unearthed" http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_123172,0006 00010001.htm# FRONTS IN DAWOOD’S WAR ON INDIA Gujarat: Money raised in Dubai being routed to Gujarat to raise communal tensions Pakistan: Dawood has given Musharraf more than Rs 100 crore Samajwadi Party: Don’s association with party goes back to 1999; SP leader went to Dubai after Godhra and made anti-Hindu speec Now you know why Mullah Mulayam and his pimp Amar Singh are so desparate to bring down BJP! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 216 of 268 ) vikram99: It is clear that modi was correct when he criticized the secular parties of being pro-pakistani traitors. I dont know if you remember, but Mulayam singh is the same traitorous motherfucker who want to give pakisan 100 million US dollars as aid...THIS WAS WHEN HE WAS THE DEFENCE MINISTER OF INDIA during the left front govt. Is it any wonder that the pakistani motherfuckers and these traitorous muslim cocksucking assholes in the Samajwadi party are the best of friends? |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 217 of 268 ) Gandalf: "You can say that again! .." You think this is a clever retort, dont you, you stupid asshole. If assholes like you do not look objectively at the things that are done right by the BJP, do you think you will be able to recognize bad governance in general. If motherfuckers like you are supposed to represent the "educated, enlightened" public, then you are the poster boy for the phrase "formal education is overrated". |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 218 of 268 ) Time for JOKE OF THE DAY: A BIHARI (LALOO!) TEACHES GUJARATIS HOW TO USE AVMs !!! www.ndtv.com/template/tem...y=National "You have to go to the voting centre and there should be no chaos. Press the button where you see the hand. When you press the button the machine will make a sound, which means that the vote has been counted. If the machine does not make the sound then you must tell the officials," Yadav told an election rally. Yadav added his rustic touch to the campaign and went further than any Congress leader in attacking Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. "If our government is formed here or in Delhi then we will arrest Narendra Modi under POTA," he stated. If his first rally in Ahmedabad was any indication, the Laloo magic appears to be working in Gujarat -- something the Congress is hoping would translate into extra votes. (This last para is the topper by Burqa dutt, the whore of Prannoy Roy !) |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 219 of 268 ) The one on sounds that AVMs make or does not make is a real bloomer - classic slapstick variety!!! HAHAHAHAHA - if it makes sound, then your vote is counted - says the joker, as if addressing his cows and buffaloes! If it does not, then tell the officials! HOHOHOHOHOOOOOOOOO And CONgress hoped to win democratic elections with this buffoon as its mascot !!! And you also have reporters like Burqa dutt (named after Mohammad's horse!) of 'esteemed' media like NDTV hoping seriously that gujaratis would be foolish enuf to vote for the sake of this lunatic clown and his magic !!! Verily, God makes one proud and haughty before they fall. Add 'foolish' to that! |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 220 of 268 ) The real cause of defeat of the CONgress was much more than the 10 month of continuous cultural rape of the gujarati identity. What really screwed up the gujarati mind and insulted them individually was having to listen to a terrorist arse licking bitch like Antonia Maino lecture them on terrorism and secularism. And that too just after foul mouthing them at a bin laden sponsored conference in London! And the second and equally humiliating experience for gujaratis, the creators of most industries and businesses in the country, was to be lectured on 'development' by Laloo, who could not even create bullshit (literally speaking) and made money of it instead!!! I sincerely hope that antonia maino stays actively in CONgress and does not dump it half way and run to Italy! That would screw up all chances of BJP returning to power. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 221 of 268 ) http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20021 230&fname=Cover+Story%28F%29&sid=11&pn=2 Fr om this communist piece of shit Prem Shankar Jha, hindus can get a glimpse of the upcoming strategy of the pseudo-secular cocksuckers against hindus. In particular note the last paragraph of this article which basically states that the media must not give any publicity to violence against hindus. Hindus can now be sure that the media motherfuckers will work hand in glove with the jihadis and the congresswallahs to hush up any killings of hindus. After reading the notes of this motherfucking piece of human garbage, Pren Shankar Jha, it is becomes clear that every time you think that these lowlifes cannot play any dirtier, they surprise you with dirtier tactics that would make Goebbels proud. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 222 of 268 ) Karapall, "In particular note the last paragraph of this article which basically states that the media must not give any publicity to violence against hindus" This nincompoop Jha is making the same mistake that the Imam of Ahmedabad did - issuing a fatwa publicly. It is a well known fact of the media strategy that violence against hindus are NEVER published explicitly. Now with this open declaration and publication of this inhuman strategy, hindus are gonna think more in terms of en bloc voting for BJP. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 223 of 268 ) Karapall, Please read the superb article 'Results from the Lab' by Balbir Punj http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?sid=1 2&fodname=20021230&fname=Cover+Story%28F%29 The foll. extract from that article exhibits the shameless 'Prem Jha technology of news publishing' at work. "The English media simply glossed over the other side of the picture: 40,000 Hindu refugees aside one lakh Muslims in the camps, the number of Hindus killed in the riots, the number of Hindus arrested in the riots, the illegal arms and ammunition recovered from Muslim localities (during the riots and the subsequent Jagannath rath yatra) —all these meant nothing to them. But the people of Gujarat, who had lived through the riots, had seen all this and also its negation in the media." |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 224 of 268 ) "What really screwed up the gujarati mind and " Whatever it is, glad that you accept the Gujarati mind was screwed.. what I have been saying months befor the election.. I mean.. what do you say of a people who kill as a society as opposed to criminal and terrorist elements else where. |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 225 of 268 ) Regular people, observe the way this Sangi coterie works.. I am sure they have not read that Goebbels left ball, Ball bir Prick's article but they would paste the link everywhere. These loyal stormtroopers survice on the feeling of a common cause, brotherhood much like the streetgangs of Harlem. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 226 of 268 ) "what do you say of a people who kill as a society as opposed to criminal and terrorist elements else where." you are talking about pakis or about your pedophilic run missionaries? |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 227 of 268 ) And point by point disputing of any of our utterances with facts would go a long way in convincing humans here that you have something better to communicate instead of the desparate wailings that you are currently indulging in. regular people, coeterie, observe, please listen to me, don't go their way please, they are bad, and i am good, safron is evil and green or red is bliss, please follow me and I will show you jannat......dum dum dum. All these exhortions no longer work. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 228 of 268 ) And if your limited vocabulary can assign only a singular meaning to the word 'screwed up' then better do something about it. Your english, that is. And fringe clowns like you sure are entertaining. But oft times, you get boring. Please do something new, so as to make you 'bearable'. |
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sinbad 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 229 of 268 ) IT IS IMPERATIVE, IT IS OF PARAMOUNT AND CARDINAL IMPORT FOR EVERY HINDU TO REMEMBER FOR EVER THAT:: NO BLAME OR GUILT FEELING OF ANY SORT ATTACHES TO ANY ONE OF THEM FOR :: WHAT LITTLE WAS DONE IN RESTORING RAM JANMBHUMI. AND THE SPONTANEOUS REACTION TO THE HORRENDOUS TERRORIST ATTACK ON THE TRAIN IN WHICH HUMAN BEINGS WERE BURNT ALIVE IN A PREMEDITATED, PREPLANNED ACTION FOR BEING HINDUS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. NO PEOPLE NO COUNTRY CAN EVER PROSPER WITHOUT SELF RESPECT AND JUSTICE. TO COMBAT EVIL IS AMONG THE HIGHEST FORMS OF PRAYING AND WORSHIPPING. |
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gandalf 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 230 of 268 ) "TO COMBAT EVIL IS AMONG THE HIGHEST FORMS OF PRAYING AND WORSHIPPING. " Wow, really, why does this remind me of the Jehadis. This only proves the point (so amply demonstrated in Anand Patwardhans "war and Peace") that Sangh and the Jehadis are two sides of the same bloody coin! |
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sinbad 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 231 of 268 ) Gandalf, you know exaxtly what I am talking about, yet you choose to twist everything. A murder is an evil act, a wrongdoing.Punishing it is fighting evil.Thus Ram Janabhumi reconstruction is a prime example of combating the forces of darkness. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 232 of 268 ) Gandalf: "Wow, really, why does this remind me of the Jehadis. This only proves the point (so amply demonstrated in Anand Patwardhans "war and Peace") that Sangh and the Jehadis are two sides of the same bloody coin!" Ah hah!!! Now that you quote this anti-hindu bigot and primetime communist cocksucking trash Anand Patwardhan (who has been anti-hindu films all over the world for the past three decades, all of them depicting hindus as blood-thirsty pfascists), it is quite clear where your leanings are, you communist motherfucker. You lying communist cocksuckers have shot yourself in your own foot with your incessant anti-hindu hatred and your lies. Go ahead and spread all the lies about hinduism that you want, I insist. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 233 of 268 ) "......so amply demonstrated in Anand Patwardhans "war and Peace" A junior marxist pig quotes a senior one! This is how these mutual-masturbating-partners became 'eminent' historians. By certifying each others' books and awarding each other, this cabal of I suck-yours-you-suck-mine pimps and whores became 'eminent'. Each one referring to the quotes of the other is the only basis of their 'facts'. No wonder these animals are fighting for their very existence. Hopefully they can expect alternate employment as arse washers to their sheiks in Al Arabia Al Saudia (all other jobs are being localised there too I heard). |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 234 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Ishq Ishq Ishq :: Lots more sex, please, we are Hindus, says Dalmia IE OpEd [HT also reported but listed only 2 kuNwaaras... :), there is whole lotta them!!! Marta ka knee karta... lol... 2012/2016/2020 Olympics in India... sayeth Laffaz-e-Aazam... with loony eyes Naidu beside him in Hyderabad... fascist partner/supporter... hope V wud learn to clean our toilets by the time... :), beside improving on illiteracy and digital divid statistics... ABV Should 'ave said [bolne meiN kii jaata hai... lekin, kintu, prantu... mazaa toh jab aaye gaa jab Olympeek se pehle kuchh Gold Aaye... aaye kuchh ab'r, kuchh ab'r, kuchh sharaab aaye... usske baad aaye jo azaab aaye... [like uj menial lampaT] ...Sao KaRoor bander bhooke nange beemar be-imaan, kaamchor hieN hum but gold medal nahiN jeet sakte... aisii aisii makkaarii se aiveiN aveiN chunaav jeet liye... bas hum gold medal kyoN nahiN jeet sakte... ka hum makhkhan nahiN khaate... ka humm paneer nahiN khaate... ka humm 'mard' ;) kii oalaad nahiN...!?! ye achhchhii baat na'y hai... aur eik bhi Gold nahiN... paschim wale bhool raheiN sab se ziyada Soana hamare yahaN hamaarre iththe heggga... so paraN kar laiN... Thaan leiN... gaThaan baandh leiN... tum kahte ho infra strukture... pata hai meiN road banwa riya hoon 18,000 crore... ne jan kitne ka... lol... meiN 6 crore de riyaa hooN sports meiN... [some safaridhaarii whispers in his ear... he say ooops... 6969 crores... {i will take on where Bill Cliton bhai lepht oph... ;)} ... today he said 'Hindtwa can't be poll plank... here ABV does double speak again... [now instead of taking shrii ganesh's name V will say... 'Om Godhra'ye remembraaye nama'h' always...] winky Venky toned down his repeating Gujarat threat too... so the new propaganda USP label is cultural nationalism... or is it lumpenisation-e-nation...?!? didn't watch TV on 25th... neither looked into paper pictures ;), u know why... Appan Menon, SP Singh, GK Singh, Jerry died so young... Genocidal maniacs so fookin' deerdh'aayu while good souls departed so soon... :( |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 235 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava BJP to weave poll strategy around Modi’s model :: The Narendra Modi model is to be the cornerstone of the BJP’s future electoral strategies. The Lok Sabha polls and “Hindutva” translated as “cultural nationalism” [...ah giggy Diggy mocked, calling it 'cultural terrorism'(Saanskritik AataNkwaad] will dominate the aggressive campaigns in the forthcoming elections. [jootey khaa ke jaayenge... hum nahiN maanenge... instead of menial lumpen admitting that they r no good too even run a civic body... putting a brave face... shameless unfookin' lampaT... Lumpen sardaar Winky Venky saying... hat trick... or was it 'Hate trick'... kaa bhaag hii phooT gaye iss desh ke?!?!!! Himachal will not be Gujarat By Vipin Pubby :: IE Modi Redux :: Everyone loves a winner. But the BJP's love for Narendra Modi seems to be in a class of its own. Witness the symbolism of the “coronation” ceremony held in his honour in Ahmedabad. :: TOI EDITORIALS Fear factor By A.G. Noorani :: HT [gr8 OpEd page... HT archive feature not working... Prem Shankar Jha, Amulya Ganguli and Mukul Dube [20th Dec issue is not online either?!?] i wanted 2 link... gr8 Quotes 2 wonder who picks them... wonder any Birla maheshwarii 'man' half as articulate as KK Puttii Ms Bhaarti... KK taking planning business as seriously as HN Bahuguna did... BJP's 'B' Team: Imitation, not Alternative By RAJESH RAMACHANDRAN [FRIDAY, DECEMBER 27, 2002 12:01:12 AM] No pride, only prejudice :: Modi’s victory has lessons for the Congress :: By J. N. Dixit in IE The rise of Modi :: By Kancha Ilaiah :: The Hindu Governance, after Gujarat By Harish Khare :: The Hindu :: A victory in Gujarat has not given the BJP any mandate to rearrange the country's landscape. Precipitating polarisation :: In some regions Muslims may vote together, but is there really a Muslim vote? :: By Nilofar Suhrawardy :: IE Buddhism, Bhakti and the VHP - I :: By Gail Omvedt :: The Hindu Crimes against women :: By Kuldip Nayar :: The Hindu :: Women in the countryside are not even aware of their legal rights. [wonder 1 outta 4 REALLY literate] But even those who know the law find that ... there is some loophole somewhere that helps the culprits. |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 236 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Listen to what the angels sing :: Satish Jacob A historic blunder :: Amulya Ganguli :: HT December 22 More than 150,000 votes from 153 countries [all patriotic and noo loov or romance... even beeb goin' populist... Imagine not #1 what a shame!!!] were cast in the poll, which marked the 70th anniversary of the World Service. The winning anthem beat classics such as John Lennon's "Imagine" and Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody". Vajpayee plays the PM, takes a step back on Hindutva [double speak that is... next he may say someday that Godhra Coach should be made national monument... ha! u desire last days without controversies... captain of the menial lumpen kaar sewak how that is possible... tail me?!? tail me... aadmii poora laffaaz hai... and dangerous swaNyam Sewak hai under oath 2 make it a Hindu Raasht'r... ask him about the RSS oath] Veiled dig at Togadia on Hindu Rashtra, says we’ll swallow Gujarat poison [sowing so much hatred which will result in so much violence... fear&intimidation it has already created 4 millions] :: By Pradeep Kaushal :: IE Hindu Fascists' Dream Of Killing India's Pluralism Can Still Be Defeated by Dr. Shaik Ubaid @ anti-war.com FOR PEACE: Members of a Chicago-based "Voices in the Wilderness" staged a small demonstration in Baghdad last week. The antiwar group has sent more than 50 delegations to Iraq since the mid-1990s. :: By SCOTT PETERSON/GETTY :: CSM Hindu-Nationalist Victory in Gujarat Spells Trouble for South Asia :: Bidwai @ anti-war.com Buddhism, Bhakti and the VHP — II :: By Gail Omvedt :: The Hindu Mushirul Hasan :: Engulfed by the tidal wave :: But the alternative to secular democracy is darkness :: Ab kahaan jaaega sailaab-e-balaa mere baad :: Where will this tidal wave go next |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 237 of 268 ) Tatagot, Are you not the chootiya that constantly cried out that CONgress is gonna win the Gujarat elections? HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA HOHOHOHOHOHOOOOOOOOO! Got fucked savagely eh? So, how was it? Does it hurt very much? Oooooo, this is ffffuuuun! Modi sure crushed the balls of all you traitorous mother fuckers, dint he? Now you pseudo secularist chooths, CONgress, Lynhdog, mother selling media (esp. Star and RajDIP sardussai, Commies, ISI arm Samajwadi party, N.Ram the chooth carrying Jinnah's blood, Arundirty Roy, Shabana Arseme, Prafool Badwai, KulDIP Nayyar, Shaker Gupta, and various other assorted pimps and whores now got totally crushed balls, broken nose, black eyes, toothless mouths, flat as a paper roast dosa arses - all due to one solid knock out punch by Modi. HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA HHHHHHHHOOOOOWWWWWWWWW! This is called the LAST LAUGH! We laugh the last, but laugh the Best! |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 238 of 268 ) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/com p/articleshow?artid=32552486 If anyone had any doubts that the communists were a bunch of jihadi cocksuckers who suck up to muslims and deliberately downplay muslim communalism, note these communist shitheads lecturing to the Indian government on why it needs to kiss up to the jihadi motherfucking wahhabi shitheads in the Middle east. India and Indians can do well without interacting with these wahabbi pieces of human garbage in the middle east. One of the pseudo-secular communist cocksuckers who happens to be one of the people who worked with Biju Mathai in slandering IDRF writes another braindead article warning India to be on the side of the jihadis rather than the side of the west. Does anyone else suspect that these communist shitheads were lobotomized before they got their membership card from their party? http://www.between-lines.org /archives/2002/feb/Vijay_Prashad.htm |
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baga 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 239 of 268 ) expose islam n pervert prophet: Come 2 www.faith freedom international.com |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 240 of 268 ) http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20030 113&fname=VinodLetter+%28F%29&sid=1 Teh anti-hindu cocksucker and Musharraf's "close friend" Vinod Mehta pukes in public again. Note how this nehruvian communist cocksucker displays the same unworthy arrogance as the other forum shithead tathagat. These communist and pro-congress pseudo-secular nehruvian cocksuckers are going to play EXTREMELY dirty with the hindu groups, and they need to have moles in these pseudo-secular organizations to preemptively crush these traitorous pseudo-secular pieces of shit like Vinod Mehta and his pseudo-secular communist/congress shitheads. |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 241 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava LETTER FROM THE VICE CAPTAIN [N Ram the kaptaan, wonder what he has 2 say] :: Fighting The Good Cause :: In John Osborne's celebrated play Look Back in Anger, the cynical and morally disengaged hero, Jimmy Porter, laments, "There are no good causes left." Happily, that is not true of India 2003. BY VINOD MEHTA :: Outloookk'a Yet, now more than ever, the communal venom spread by these two individuals, first in Gujarat and now threatening the rest of the country, needs to be confronted and crushed. The victors are attempting to legitimise the "experiment" by describing it as the "will of the people". No doubt, the citizens of Gujarat are entitled to their 'will', but their will must not and cannot become the will of the people of free hIndia. ...No amount of semantic jugglery can hide how Gujarat was won. ...To claim that secularists are Congressmen in disguise is a half-truth. [repeating parrot 2 shame] [...a common propaganda technique called 'name calling'] This corrupt, expediency-driven, lazy, cowardly, inept formation just happens to be the sole political instrument at hand. ...The precise contours of the Hindu rashtra are still being sketched. Nevertheless, we have a fairly clear idea of what the final blueprint will resemble. Mr Vajpayee and Advani's party may appear to be the principal beneficiaries of this dispensation, but the dinosaur they have nurtured and let loose could easily devour them too. The dread can already be seen on the faces of the more shrewd bjp leaders. Of course, if they only had the confidence [lol...] of approaching the electorate on the basis of their record in office, the dinosaur could be slaughtered. [they will do all sorts of desperate measure... as marta kya nahiN karta... but they will fail... and their fall will be such sight... dekhenge hum loag... his musings from Goa, ...eating dreaming breathing 'hindutwa yet again... the very nature of hindutwa is sangeen Mr Atom Bomb Bhajpayee... its very root is poisonous... RSS is as old as u, u r as old as fascesism, fascism [farsaawaad]... fascism slipped 2 10% vote share in Austria, le Pen is in pain less than a fifth of votes... it didn't really die then... it is time for it to die... b4 31st December 2004 they will be done... and as Germany and NihhoN forced 2 amend their constitution... barring them from induldging in other country's affair... after 9/11 even they found an excuse 2 break that barrier... Most nations will amend their constitutions to 'fascism proof'... legal eagles please work on it... :) |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 242 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava MINORITIES :: No Virus In The Faithful :: Belying the Sangh's claims, experts say Indian Muslims hold no jehadi sentiments BY RANJIT BHUSHAN :: Outlook Same day, two shows: Kalam, RSS :: RSS plans rally, organisers say Kalam is true Jesuit :: Subrata Nagchoudhury :: IE Towards a 'new' state? :: By Hasan Suroor in The Hindu :: It is perhaps other institutions such as Parliament, church, local authorities which have become weaker as national governments have tended to increase their own powers. IRAQ :: 'Kick His Ass And Get The Gas' :: Three prominent anti-war activists recently discussed the impending US war on Iraq and the global mass movements for NTV -- a 24 Hour Turkish Television Channel. Transcript. :: ISLIN ELICIN :: Outook Hindu Fanatics Hijacking India's History by Kai Friese :: NYT edit A Hindu Rashtra? Sangh Parivar is daydreaming By Udit Raj :: IE "...The nation about which they are talking cannot be a Hindu Rashtra because they represent a microscopic stock of Hindus. It is highly unfounded and objectionable to use ‘‘Hindu’’ or ‘‘Hindutva’’ for the Sangh Parivar since it will then encompass those Hindus who are not their supporters also. So, the Sangh Parivar ’s nation can never be a reality but a Dalit Rashtra can be a reaction to their demand." |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 243 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava HT archive OpEd page :: change the date in the url and surf the gr8 OpEd in here... Remove '%20' from the URL in ie, remove inserted space in Netscape RSS' Next Target: Abdul Kalam :: HT Edit Politics of rage By Rajmohan Gandhi :: the Hindu One great difference between post-Babri and post-Godhra was that while the Uttar Pradesh Ministry was dismissed after the Masjid's demolition, the Gujarat Ministry was maintained in power and India's leaders praised it. 'There Is Nothing Objectionable In The Enjoyment Of Sex' :: Excerpts from SABe TV programme Line of Fire where the Vishwa Hindu Parishad Preisdent expressed 'pity and sympathy' towards his bachelor colleagues in the Sangh Parivar 'who have never experienced sex'. Targeting Muslim men detained under new INS rules is unjust By ROBYN E. BLUMNER © St. Petersburg Times How the War Party Sold the 1991 Bombing of Iraq to US by Mitchel Cohen :: anti-war.com Bush: the most owerful President By JAMES KLURFELD :: Newsday/ abs-cbnnews.com [andher nagrii, chopaT raaja, ta'ke sair bhaajii ta'ke sair khaaja... jahaaN na dhamma, na buddhii, nahi niitii na'hii sujan sammaaj... te ais'hii naseiN (barbaad), jaise chopaT raaj] 2003 will see end of this 'real' axis of evil... US, Israel, and India... new liberal regimes... LALOO YADAV :: The Tang Of Neem Twigs :: His is rough and ready wit, and none of it mugged up from antiquated how-tos a la Sidhuisms. They are home-grown, rustic and fulsome as milk from a cow's udders. By SANKARSHAN THAKUR :: Outlook |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 244 of 268 ) tathagat, Stupid pseudo-secular communist cocksuckers like you should understand that you pseudo-secular shitheads dont speak for all Indians, even though you arrogate yourself to that position, JUST LIKE the hindu right wing does not speak for all hindus in India. (Hindus must note the arrogance in the cocksucker Vinod Mehta's tone where he claims that he will "Crush" these forces, presumably by lying and slandering hindus and hindu groups henceforth, both locally and internationally. This motherfucker Vinod Mehta needs to go to the grave early). Hindus must understand the kind of hysteria the communist/congress brigade is creating in India AND ABROAD. In particular, read the two completely bogus articles today by the prime motherfuckers Karan Thapar (who claims that muslims like Syed Ali shah Geelani condemned the godhra incident (he did no such thing immediately afterwards), and that should be sufficient for hindus). Never mind that all the muslims and the pseudo-seculara cocksuckers in the press uniformly blamed hindus and Ayodhya for Godhra |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 245 of 268 ) Hindus note that every article posted by this pseudo-secular congress/communist shithead in the previous three posts is written by a congresswallah or a communist. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 246 of 268 ) The basic point here is that the pseudo-seculars and communists are willing to lie and to go down to any level to screw hindus politically. Hindus MUST react in the same coin in order to muster the power of their numbers. The intelligence with which hindus handle these pseudo-secular and communist cocksuckers is what will determine the outcome of the ugly mudslinging that the communists have already started. Note how these same cocksuckers who rubbished the PM last week, are now calling the PM a coward because he is not listening to these pseudo-secular cocksuckers. Like I said, these motherfuckers in the CPI and congress party have had a lot of practice turning one hindu against another, and they are starting on a massive underhanded campaign to ensure that they screw the BJP in the next election and the congresswallahs to power. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 247 of 268 ) There are at least 10 columns in all the english newspapers with the media men in masturbatory mode or in full-fledged hindu-bashing mode. Sagarika Ghose in the Indian express gets into throes of orgasm imagining herself and the traitorous assholes of her ilk as the sole defender against the tyranny of the govt. (someone should tell these shitheads that the pakistanis are ACTUALLY more of an enemy to Indians than the Indian govt.) Vir Sanghvi and Karan Thapar seem to have gotten back after licking some white ass in the UK to decry the fascism of hindus and the communal behavior of the PM. And so on and on. These communist cocksuckers in the media are now going all out to lie and slander..no holds barred. Their main intent is to see Ms. Antonia Maino in power and declare hindu groups as terrorist groups under POTA, as can be seen from the attitude of a lying communist cocksucker known as saurabh and the intellectual dysentry of Vinod Mehta and his minions in Outlook. |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 248 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava 'appy noo no_nuke no_war year Anatomy of terrorism in South Asia — I :: By Muchkund Dubey in The Hindu Terrorism has had an adverse impact on domestic political structures in South Asia. It has encouraged militarism, chauvinism and a distinct lurch towards right-wing extremism. Devaluing the NHRC By Rajindar Sachar in The Hindu :: The Government of India and State Governments of all political hues continue to be indifferent to remedying the deficiencies in the working of the National Human Rights Commission. [they r here 2 mess up eveerytheeng... didn't V have a fookin' clue] Digvijay bans weapons at rallies in MP :: NDTV [there u go... simple ways 2 combat 'pharsaawaadiis' :)] ‘Hindutva affirms[?!?] that India belongs to all’ [but u all genocidal ooogly inside-out maniacs belong 2 our 4 time over crowded jails... India didn't do no good 2 justice by signing a pact with US... no ChopaT zulmii raaja would be booked for his crime against humanity... like our own MoaDii and Aadvaanii... Thaackrey] Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee in deep thought :: at a Goa beach on New Year's eve. PTI :: Vajpayee derides 'champions' of Hindutva ['eee himself champion-e-aazam of all that eh! pure laffaazii this is... Jaspaal BhaTTii was funny on Beeb-e-hind'vii... Goyal published soom paper booklet on his b-day... about marriage it say... he didn't have time... lol... some pooblication will sure repeat/ 2nd break... his companions reminding him of his... hindu hindu mera parichay... poam of delusion... ha!] By Atal Behari Vajpayee :: Deccan Herald [SunSets, SunRises tathagatoN ke liye hai... tumre bas kii baat nahii jaanleva sanghii saathii... tail us about the RSS oath u r under] |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 249 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Pyrrhic Victory Analysis Manthan :: 112003 EDITORIAL :: Coming to terms with Gujarat :: Frontline Voices of collective conscience :: HARSH MANDER :: A synthesis of the major findings of independent citizens' groups which attempted to study Gujarat post-Godhra. :: Frontline Emperor’s new clothes By Indrajit Hazra :: HT Hindutva's triumph :: DIONNE BUNSHA in Ahmedabad :: Frontline CoverStory, gr8 publication... one up on Outlook The communal polarisation caused by the post-Godhra pogrom and the subsequent hate campaign led by Narendra Modi, and the virtual absence of a serious secular challenge, enable the Hindu right to score a landslide victory in Gujarat. An ode to the Indian Constitution By M.N. Buch in Ht [just cancel print] Of fascism and repression :: PRAFUL BIDWAI in Frontline Fascism in its contemporary form is deeply rooted in xenophobic and ethnic-religious nationalism, aggressive militarism, fascination with force, the cult of authority, and the culture of repression, especially sexual repression. Intolerance as identity :: BHASKAR GHOSE :: frontlineonnet.com The challenge before the Indian political leadership is to neutralise Narendra Modi, who uses religion to divide people, unlike Swami Vivekananda and Mahatma Gandhi, who preached spiritual oneness of the whole universe. From House to studio :: The rise of the Media-As-Opposition :: Sagarika Ghose in IE [he ain't worth calling by first name devii, beside women should stay away from the deluded... ] ...But the media is alive and kicking where it hurts :: true. The Opposition is not dead though madam... V reckon u say it as a device... charging them them up... don't u? |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 250 of 268 ) fascism and repression - by praful bidwai - http://www.flonnet.com/fl1926/stories/200301030052 11400.htm This (f)article is just great! And downright hilarious! Methinks that this zombie has lost his marbles completely after Modi fucked him and his ilk clean. His analysis of BJP win in Gujarat goes thus - BJP won coz of hindutva and what is hindutva? See the following- Hindutva says ‘Mera Bharat Mahan’ (It seems that saying ‘my India is great’ is an unsecular act coz muslims don’t like Bharat to be called great!) Hindutva is forced asceticism that is the cause of all harassment of women, bride-burning, and outright rape.! Hindutva is a brahminical ploy to keep young men from masturbating and women as penis holders! |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 251 of 268 ) Hindutva makes girls to be ‘falsely’ modest (whereas Indian women are go getters and not modest by nature at all!) Hindutva separates boys from their mothers at age 6 and that leads to loss of libido in men! RSS/VHP people are bachelors so they have lotta of bottled up semen inside them. Being so repressed they have vented their frustration through ritual violence — burning, killing, looting, of the kind witnessed in post-Godhra Gujarat. And all this played a decisive role in BJP winning Gujarat! And also did you know that the wretched brahmins are preventing you from enjoying all the sexual pleasures that God has entitled you to enjoy? And miya praful bidwai hopes that this magnum opus of psychoanalysis of his will get nominated for nobel literary prize. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 252 of 268 ) praful bidwai miya avoids mentioning that although 99% of the globe's terrorists are muslims, these momins do neither practice asceticism nor supress/bottle up their energy (read semen) inside them. On the other hand, they circumcise their dicks and hump upto four females legally and innumerable concubines as added bonus. So, most important secular lesson guys is that sanghis are terrorists coz they bottle up their semen and supress their sexual desires. And islamic terrorists are not terrorists at all coz they DO NOT bottle up anything and on the other hand are always on a raping spree. So, beware next time when you call a muslim as a terrorist. Coz a muslim just can't be a terrorist since he does not supress his sexual perversions and is always raping some female. Cocks off to praful bidwai saheb for this great psycho analytical masterpiece. |
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sinbad 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 253 of 268 ) Have we not heard after every terrorist attack in the world that MO TRUE MUSLIM WILL EVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS whether WTC, Chechnia, Aden, Somalia, Bali, Palestine, Algeria. Paa[iland, Kashmir, Mumbai, Delhi, Coimbtore, Godhra ad infinitum. Furthermore,why then are all women from the terrorist community always pregnant. |
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indtruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 254 of 268 ) Why do we usually cut Dog tail? You might have seen such dogs. They are mostly restless. Similar is the condition of these circumcised piggies. They become terrorist, antisocial and criminals. No doubt Sinbad mentioned their antics all around the world. These devil worshippers are thirsty of human blood and they create problem all around the world to quench the insatiable devil. Praful Bidwai are the sorry asses who are wolf in sheep disguise. Unfortunately, disguise is completely torned apart by educated youths. Bidwai types want India to be subservient to all the Arab culture and Selfish materialistic racist culture. |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 255 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Evils-O-Xenophobia, Despotism, & Jingoistic-e-Paranoia. ... these xenophobic [xenophobia :: A morbid dislike of foreigners.] gobarchhaaps... them doin' this is oxymoron... and the NonResident-SouthAsians... these menial-lumpen got no_thing which can ease ur lives guys... on the contrary b'coz of them kind... u all fear the same... (mooRh kii dostii, Jii ka janjaal)... b'coz of their xenophobia u got lessor chances 2 git into public offices... Fiji was lost b'coz of xenophobia... this meet is a faarce... just a PR excersize... and 4 the domestic consuption 2 expand on their fascesist agenda... don't u ask ur children to stay away from 'bad comapny' and 'loonies'... lol... they r genocidal maniacs @ that... t wouldn't even go near them... ;).. on the contrary all those who have gathered here don't even know what they r doin'... giving strength 2 such fascist segregationist forces by helping them 2 expand on their fascist propaganda... 'propaganda instrument' channels gonna go ga-ga over it... me is sure... [ah! they try 2 do a 'godhra' in Dewaas yesterday... breaking some idols on a mount... The INC CM took immidiate action and it sub-sided... but that is not enuff... book the culprit... ban the communal outfits...] Govt wakes up 57 years later, felicitates NRIs :: TNN/toi [typical case of nationalist fascesist propaganda], tathagat calls upon all non participating ;), non-resident Sounth asian adopt atleast one school back home... discarded school material from there, will be a gr8 help to South Asian schools... these brahmincal fascist just work on higher education... and 2 increase literacy and primary education... they just serving free rotten food 2 get starving kids 2 school. From Finland with love, on Pravasi Bharatiya Divas By Ambassador O P Gupta :: sify.com ... Much less attention was paid to xenophobia, hate and defamation speech in the ... legal person) if through advertisements via its mass medium it harms human dignity ... [Adobe Acrobat pdf] Open the Path :: Ignorance will kill us all :: Jenny Parsley :: ydn.org.za [t looks like a foreigner in his land... people ask me where do u come from... I look in their eyes and ask them where he has come from... without pause and a huge smile i say... Where does everybody coom from... [they get puzzelled...] than I say I have come from the thighes of me mom... nowtell me where do u come from...!!??!! [everytime almost everyone smiles!] Racism Conference Deserves More Coverage :: ...Hatred, based on fear, fear of economic competition, fear of being swamped by foreigners and losing identity is common. Racism is even appearing in parts of the world where it had not been evident before. [we have it all down the fookin' ages in the name caste and hazaar shits like that] |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 256 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Post #2 "IMPOSTOR" :: Philip K. Dick The scariest thing about Philip K. Dick is that he’s always relevant. Based on a 1952 Dick short story, Gary Fleder’s Impostor isn’t especially scintillating science fiction on its own, but in the light of our ongoing national crisis, it seems eerily prescient. In the year 2079, war has raged with the alien Alpha Centauri for a decade, and as super-scientist Spencer Olham (Gary Sinise) notes in a voiceover, luxuries like democracy have long since been forgotten. But personal liberties are one thing; personal identity is another, and Olham finds his very being challenged when Earth Security Agency head Hathaway (Vincent D’Onofrio) — think John Ashcroft in a Matrixýlike outfit — accuses him of being a Centauri cyborg implanted with a bomb and programmed as an assassin. Then the chase begins, none too compellingly executed (Olham has been given a dose of some mind-altering drug to allow Fleder some jazzy camerawork and editing), through a drab future dystopia that looks like parts of present-day Detroit. Intentionally or not, Impostor wryly demonstrates that the evils of xenophobia, despotism, and jingoistic paranoia, rife in the McCarthyite era in which the story was rst written, never go out of style. :: — Peter Keough Modern-Day Russia :: Disrespect for Human Rights Allows Neo-Nazis To Flourish By MICAH NAFTALIN :: forward.com The Pilgrimage Continues... :: WHAT IS ALL THIS ABOUT BAND-AIDS? by Mark and Louise Zwick :: cjd.org Bigotry Monitor :: Number 2, Volume 28 :: fsumonitor.com Chapter Eight: "The Play of Politics on the Mind" :: from H. A. Overstreet's The Mature Mind Rein in Togadia :: LTTE 2 The Hindu [they r all just the same including ABV... tagaarii is saying what they want to say but can't say it...] Introduction to Diversity & Stratification :: 301 STUDY QUESTIONS :: univ. of Idaho PPR Quotes :: Xenophilia Quotes from Over the Rainbow RIGHTS: U.N. Worried Over Alarming Rise in XenophobiaOneworld.net Taking liberties: Xenophobia and the EU...Hard on the heels of the anti-terrorism Bill comes a new threat to freedom. The European Commission is proposing to criminalise racism and xenophobia throughout the EU. Xenophobic Humour |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 257 of 268 ) Tathagat: Stupid imbeciles like you should first think ahead as to which side you want to be on. If you want to be on the side of jihadi fundamentalists who have no interest in the future, you need to take a stand against them, instead of getting wishy-washy about where you stand. Secondly, Philip K. Dick was a paranoid freak for most of his life, and has been acknowledged by his peers as an excessively paranoid freak. Clearly, if you are a muslim in the west today, you will probably identify with Philip Dick and see him as relevant, but does not make him necessarily right. One can also consider various writings by Robert Heinlein and Arthur Clarke as relevant at various points in time, but ANY GOOD WRITER will remain relevant for a long period of time. |
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Karapall 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 258 of 268 ) Other Indians should note that tathagat is simplistically mapping mcCarthyism to India. The current fear of islamic terrorism among Indian non muslims is GENUINELY BASED ON THE FACT THAT MUSLIM TERRORISTS HAVE KILLED MANY INDIAN CIVILIANS IN THE RECENT PAST. "Impostor wryly demonstrates that the evils of xenophobia, despotism, and jingoistic paranoia, rife in the McCarthyite era in which the story was rst written, never go out of style. " McCarthyism started because of the cold war and the intense paranoia in the western establishment (and rightly so) about the dangers of communism to a free society, and all american society went overboard. But the important point is that this was corrected within a decade, although the people who lost their reputations never quite recovered from the random smearing. |
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BK 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 259 of 268 ) BJP is not fascist but congress , marxist and English media are. Congress, Marxists and English media always take side of muslims and ignore plight of Hindus in India. This will not be tolerated anymore and people will show this to them in elections to come. |
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indtruth 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 260 of 268 ) Fascism came from ITALY. Today, Congress has installed Sonia Maino, An italian, to run Secular India. Strangely, this same Congress, Commis and devil's advocates are trying to Brand BJP as fascist. It is a classical example of Osama calling him saviour of the World and Pope branding Dalai Lama as the terrorist. In India Stupidity has reached to it acme and English media, Commis, Congress etc are exposed for their 50yrs of anti Hindu activity and propogandas. So many Foreign spies have infiltrated into Congress, Commis and English media that it is difficult for these organisation to take up any national building measure. United India is danger to these unholy trinity. But we must Unite under Hindutva banner to make India a Developed Nation. Let's all pledge to make India a Developed Nation. Let all Anti Hindu and Anti National forces give up terrorism and be responsible citizen of India. |
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Satnam 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 261 of 268 ) To All. Sat Shri Akal, While recognizing the inadequacy of the Indian Political system as well as criminalization of politics, it must be conceded that democracy and true secularism are essential.all right thinking people must agitate to drive out fascist philosophies that produced Babar, Aurangzeb, Shahjahan, Tipu Sultan and Francis Xavier. Indian religions permit so much diversity,freedom of thinking and a very rational way to approach Parmatma and Mukti, where is the need to pamper alien philosophies that are subversive and vastly inferior as well as damaging to the Soul Of Bharat. |
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Satnam 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 262 of 268 ) Taking Sikhism as an example, it is a truely Universalist faith as it denies Mukti and Parmatma to NOONE.True Hinduism that is Hinduism shorn of Andhashradha, Casteism and the greedy priest offers virtually identical ways. Buddhism somewhat more renunciatory in nature is not far different in its essential approach and was essentially a powerful Protestant movement and such are necessary to purge ills that percolate through passage of great length of time. Export of essential Indian Philosophies is the need of the hour as is concerted action on the part of all Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist and Jain scholars without throwing mud on each other. Unfortunately, we are divisive by nature and this is totally contrary to our innate Universalism. |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 263 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Membot & the Self-destructive membot :: memeoid. Mixing of cultures a dynamic force By Anjali Mody :: The Hindu "...The British peer and president of the Liberal Democratic Party, Navnit Dholakia, speaking ahead of the Deputy Prime Minister, L.K. Advani, said a society was defined by the value it placed on its minorities and that "social disorder'' was a by-product of "discrimination". He spoke of the need to "celebrate differences and multiple identities''. Lord Dholakia said societies and cultures do not remain static and those who ignored this fact would be the losers. Bhikhu Parekh, political philosopher and member of the House of Lords, said India's was not "a narrow band of cultural nationalism''. Rather, it was cultural universalism that India was engendered on; and it would be untrue to its history if it failed to remain "an open society''. Ujjal Dosanj, former Prime Minister of the Canadian province of British Columbia, said the success Indians like him had achieved was the celebration of the diversity of culture of the countries of their settlement and of India. He called on India's 21st century leaders to leave an imprint of the country's multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multi-cultural identity on the world. The South African MP, Mewa Ramgobin, condemning religious bigotry, said there was no security in the insecurity of others. His compatriot, Fatima Meer, said India's greatest export was its values, and that people of Indian origin living elsewhere did not want India to be guilty of exclusivism. Lynda Babulal, Senator from Trinidad and Tobago, said India could "learn from her Diasporic children'', for they had both wit and wisdom to remake lives in distant lands — holding on to some "traditions'' and letting go others, enriching and being enriched by the societies that they were a part of." Media as Big Brother :: Media wants to play judge, jury and executioner :: Anush Kapadia :: ie |
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Tathagat 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 264 of 268 ) appa DeepO bhava Membot & the Self-destructive membot :: memeoid. Post#2. How the early migrants built new lives :: Voice from Little India :: Pamela Philipose :: ie The wheel of truth :: K Natwar Singh :: ht [...membot :: A person whose entire life has become subordinated to the propagation of a meme, robotically and at any opportunity. (Such as many Jehovah's Witnesses, Krishnas, and Scientologists.) Due to internal competition, the most vocal and extreme membots tend to rise to top of their sociotypes hierarchy. A self-destructive membot is a memeoid.] Don't be ashamed of Hindutva :: Modi By Mahesh Vijapurkar :: The Hindu We are being sold another lemon :: Sauvik Chakraverti :: ie Be proactive :: Vajpayee tells governors :: Indo-Asian News Service :: ht Some sense at last :: The state must learn from its unconscionable handling of the Iftikhar Gilani case :: Were the authorities sure of what they were doing when they arrested Syed Iftikhar Gilani, the journalist son-in-law of Hurriyat leader, Syed Ali Shah Geelani? :: ie edit A crime against an Indian :: ht edit [like The Hindu ht too pooblishes a paper twice... like the xpress n the rest... it should be published once only... these r print pages, just cancel print] Wanted: A Saviour :: Amulya Ganguli :: ht ...more on memetics check Post #4 in Clone thread... |
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oneworld 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 265 of 268 ) YES. the BJP and the shiv sena should be banned. they are not only fascist, but also terrorist organizations. |
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vikram99 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 266 of 268 ) BJP and Shiv Sena are terrorist organisations now. Says a grassroots CONgress worker oneworld (who also happens to be a illegal bangladeshi mullah hiding from being deported back to his bangla slum) Oh woe be us, woe be us. What next, you mullah bum that even fails to hide his real identity? What are your enlightened views about CONgress, Commies, the Muslim league and the missionary pedophiles who between them fuck all hindu interests in India? Please do throw out your pearls of wisdom here. All for entertainment purposes, of course. |
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Satnam 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 267 of 268 ) one maderchod, Obviously you are a Jehadi vermin who wants to ban nationalist organizations as terrorists because they may foil your satanic hallucinations of making a Pakiland out of India. I want to kick your face so that one tooth falls out at a time, then I want to mount you on a fence of broken glass and push you down ever so gently, you fatherfucked scum. This is the way to fight terrorists like you, you maggot face swine. |
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nevamind 12/4/2001 12:30:50 PM ( 268 of 268 ) the bjp starting with advani are terrorist and a bunch of motherfuckers waving their orange shawls and crying losing cries of hindutva...something that will never dominate this world!! hindutva....religion of a few million gods wt multiple heads and too many arms...and some of them even look like Satan!! u call that a religion! see how the world is turning towards the western religions!! even u hindus shd agree with it! bahenchods!! |
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