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The Terror Cycle Free Speech Host 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM Reality is worse than any Hollywood blockbuster or a doomsday thriller. And as was bound to happen, the cry for reprisals and revenge are assuming a deafening roar against an unknown enemy. The needle of suspicion at Osama bin Laden and Islamic fundamentalist organisation is predictable. Whodunit? Who would pay the price? The possibilities and consequences are chillingly scary. Your take on what ought to be done...
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 1 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava whodunit? and eemriikkaa could retaliate with the nukes... what if imrreeka nuke AfgHaanistaaN, if Osama behind it...???!!!!!!!!! |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 2 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava tathagat abhors violence... and have said enuff on these pages... The chosen people of god... however love it... Barak on Beeb, kissenger from Germany, Shimon Peres, the phorain minister on Rupert's Phox... suggesting the other side... their enemy responsible for it... equaling it to Pearl Harbor... suggesting indirectly 2 annihilate them ASAP... may be these Brahmins of the western hemisphere did it to set the 'crusaders' v/s the 'Jehaadi'... so that they kill each other n u live ur mahaajani ways... who knows? may be it's the Durban declaration fallout... walking out of that was easy... walking into this is difficult... all those pilots turn out be2blacks... its a probability... (last time round, the Oklahoma Bombing they suspected 'muslim' terrorist... they proved wrong) since we know how they are treated and beaten up black n blue in broad daylight... in full public view... all US prisons full of blacks... more than 70%... prof. Pushpesh Pant has been a delighting insight... he is the best there is... he speak so much Sanskrit though... i am afraid both jaahil angrezdaaN, as well as bandarbhaashies wouldn't get it... DD1 n PoorieTak had Prem and DD1 had Inder... they are chal chuki kaartooses bhai... tired and thakey huye... So the hunter is back... but hey Dubya don't be ur moronic self... and don't just dare nuke anybody in a hurry... like ur 'true man'... someone remind tathagat how many died in Hiroshima and Naagasaaki... were Americans outraged then? the way they are now... lets talk of Nepalms and Vietnam... Pentagon demolished... ur babe in the bunker, u hiding in high high altitudes on A1... u Admn panicky chicken shittin' shit... what an intelligence failure... 20, 000 CIA recruits... 800 just spooky... god knows how many in FBI... even one hour on Pentagon unaware... unguarded... whatever happen to ur NMD chhataa (umbrella)... 1.5 million babies dead in Iraq b'coz of u... isn't that crime against humanity??? book Aadvani for 3000 murders... and Balls Thakray for 900... ah Bulldozer is on CNN... America's dear partner in freedom... here the Hindutva fanatics would love to ally with yous... |
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abhishek 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 3 of 510 ) I am deeply shocked by whatever has happened in USA yesterday. Its high time when all the nations stand against the so-called jihadi groups who are bringing disrepute to Islam on the name of 'allah'. The whole world is well aware of the fact that Islamic Terrorism has erupted as the greatest enemy of the mankind. All the concerned parties should get their act together and start working to crackdown on the Muslim extremists. This is the only possible way to fight against the devil. Fighting fire with fire is the only way to get rid of the eveil intentions of the jihadi groups represented by Osama-Bin-Laden. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 4 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The Terrorism Research Center is dedicated to informing the public of the phenomena of terrorism and information warfare. This site features essays and thought pieces on current issues, as well as links to other terrorism documents, research and resources. Navigate the site by clicking on the area of interest. The Media and Terrorism Second Hand Terrorism Revisited By Larry Sloan The concept of second-hand terrorism, as espoused by Pollard and Houghton, is a thought provoking argument. I would assert that this phenomenon is far more prevalent than their article would lead one to believe. Houghton and Pollard refer to "intrusive reportage" as the point of culpability where journalists become "second-hand" terrorists. They assert that "intrusive reportage" occurs when a "reporter ceases passive observation of an incident and becomes part of its dynamic." It can be argued that this point of culpability is irrelevant due to the fact that any reporting of terrorism qualifies as "intrusive reportage". Terrorism is one of the few phenomena for which any media coverage serves to alter the dynamic of the situation. The Media and Terrorism |
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tiger 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 5 of 510 ) I am sure the response by US to these horrendous attacks will be unprecedented.Whosoever may have started it but the Americans will finish it.Its the confidence the self belief of Americans. UNLIKE IN INDIA where Thousands of Jawans killed in KARGIL and hundreds of innocent people murdered each day in Kashmir.And the govt Response---A DUMB AND MUTE SPECTATOR. Every time and which is (practically every day)a terrorist attack happens and the govt responses by saying "WE WILL NOT TOLERATE SUCH ACTIONS IN FUTURE". But nothing concrete is done.Why do we INDIANS tolerare and bear such despicable acts every day. Is INDIA a coward, weak and an impotent country? Do we have the ABILITY and the GUTS to reply back? Will we ever be proactive to defend our INDIA? Will Kashmir Continue to bleed and suffer? Will INDIA ever wake up to these attacks? Will our INDIA ever be united and peaceful? Hope we find the answers soon and one day INDAINS can be confident as anybody else in the world about their security and territorial integrity. JAI HIND! TIGER |
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Pankaj 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 6 of 510 ) Root cause of terrorism There should be as widespread a war against terrorism as the war against drugs - hitting at every aspect, and every level of the supply chain. The origin of the supply chain is IDEOLOGY disguised behind religious protection, and that's where it will not be politically easy to point the finger, even though everyone knows the problem. But without addressing this root problem, all else will be temporary and partial at best. The Koran's statements that call for jihad, and those that attack kafirs, should be listed and a demand be made that these be deleted to make an amended Koran that complies with human rights and civilized society. This reformation movement of the Koran will not be easy. But as long as there is religious sanctity, enshrined in a holy book, to hate other religions and to do various things against them, humanity will always be at the mercy of muslim clergy who teach at thousands of madrassas (religious schools) around the world, and who choose which verses to teach and which not to. All efforts will be temporary and partial at best, until this reformation is achieved. Religious organizations that refuse to delete such verses of hate speech should be denied tax-exempt status by the IRS, in the same way as those who refuse to adopt equal employment policies cannot become legitimate in the government's eyes. Countries that have Islam as the official 'state religion', should be de-legitimized if they fail to amend the Koran in accordance with such principles of human rights. In other words, criminal doctrines should not be able to hide behind religious protection. |
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Pankaj 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 7 of 510 ) US Attacks: India v/s Pakistan Pakistan's history has been to prostitute itself opportunistically, and yet simultaneously betray its own sponsors. It misused the US military aid funneled through it that was meant to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. It cheated the US on its nuclear weapons program assurances. It is still cheating on missiles being received from North Korea and China. It hosts the largest number of jihad training camps in the world. Its lies notwithstanding, US has been reluctant to name it for what it is. Even after the terrorist attacks yesterday, US officials and congressmen name only some other nearby countries as rogues, but have referred to Pakistan as a 'friend' on whom the US must 'put pressure to get cooperation'. The risk is that Pakistan will once again negotiate its way and schmooze its way into the heart of US authorities. It will offer the following: Its territory must be crossed in any counterattack against Afghanistan, for which it will extract a price. As a so-called moderate Islamic state (which must be emphasized as a misconception), it can claim to legitimize the US counterattack in the eyes of the rest of the Islamic world. It can even add troops to such an attack, since it wants to be involved in the future control over Afghanistan. Afghanistan is land-locked, and the US must be planning ways to attack it. Iran is the other country whose territory can be used in such an attack. If Iran refuses or the US is less comfortable with it, Pakistan will once again become center stage in US policy. The US has a history of turning a blind eye to other long term consequences when it pursues intense action on a specific immediate goal. It could end up further playing into Pakistan's hands. India must seek Israeli help in this campaign to educate the western nations on the deeper nature of Pakistan. Perhaps, India must offer ground troops to fight in an invasion of any rogue nation. India must insist that closing ALL jihad training worldwide is a must to be effective, and not only those training camps that are specifically targeted against the US. India must stop relying upon the old emotional (and silly) appeals to being the 'world's oldest civilization and largest democracy' as ways to impress, and must be more practical about the nature of the role it offers. It has to go well beyond mere words of sympathy and cooperation in investigation that Vajpayee has sent so far. India must have a strategy under the assumption that there will be a full-scale US invasion of Afghanistan, in which India cannot afford to let Pakistan come out ahead. |
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Anis 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 8 of 510 ) No words are strong enough to condemn this vicious and senseless attack on innocent civilians.As we watch in horror and disbelief,I am sure our prayers and thoughts are with those who have lost their loved ones in this dastardly terrorist attack.I hope this proves to be the last straw that will break the back of terrorism.I dont think that America is just going to sit back and mourn the death of thousands of its civilians. Its payback time and those who have planned and perpetrated this crime will have to pay and pay big. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 9 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ... before anything is done guys... remember politicians wants to use any such thing for their own political gains... and beside the world media is owned by the jews... before it strikes to revenge... America must disclose all the terrorist groups it supported in the past... New Anti-Fascist web literature Media-fueled xenophobia toward Islam The main source for this article is Edward Said's fantastic book Covering Islam (1997, Vintage Books). American hostility toward Islam is at an all-time high. Generalisations about Islam and Muslims are routinely made in the general media without justification or evidence, by so-called experts. Critiques of these articles by Muslim authors and scholors are simply ignored by a mono-lingual American public. In the eyes of the American public, Islam is synonomous with terrorism and fundamentalism, despite the fact that the true nature of 'fundamentalism' is rarely discussed or defined beyond frequent confirmations of it's existance and supposed power. Middle-east originating terrorism is only sixth highest in the world, yet the Oklahoma bombing was all too readily blamed on Islam before the truth became known that the perpetrators were white neo-nazis. What is the nature of this unjustified xenophobia? In the New Republic August 13, 1996, Martin Peretz (self-proclaimed 'expert' on islam) writes that Arab countries have no "cultural disposition for scientific and industrial take-off. Alas, these are societies which cannot make a brick, let alone a microchip". This is flagrantly untrue. Muslim scienctists pioneered logic, astronomy, medicine as a science and invented algebra (to name but a few of their many acheivements) while we were wallowing in a god-fearing dark ages - which many christian fundamentalists in America seem to want us to return to. Milton Viorst (In Said, 1997) is quoted as saying: "The traditional Islamic city shows little concern for exterior aesthetics; even now, arabs seem not to notice their streets and cover them with litter". Again, this is a horrendous generalisation about muslims and patently a lie. Islamic architecture is praised the world over for its use of complex geometric designs, its innovative use of ceramics and enamels. Also, Viorst seems to forget what a shithole parts of many western cities are. Look at the streets of London or New York and be appalled. Personally, i have walked around some of the orthodox jewish areas of jerusalem and was amazed at the sheer quantity of household debris left to rot in enormous stinking piles. It displays lack of 'exterior aesthetics' and disregard for simple hygeine, but are we to generalise those traits to the entire jewish community? No. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 10 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Media-fueled xenophobia toward Islam... #2 Edward Said In the recent Demi Moore vehicle G I Jane, her unit is sent to retrieve weapons-grade plutonium from the Libyian desert. In american hands it has been used for a noble, scientific purpose (as fuel for a satellite - no mention of how america is putting the entire world at risk by firing radioactive materials into space!), but in arab hands, it automatically becomes a threat to freedom and peace. There is no mention of any diplomatic attempts to retreive the material, as arabs are assumed to be beyond rationality. A filthy, sweaty arab (the common portrayal of muslims, despite vast differences in dress, cultural practice, language, industrialisation, etc) has his head blown off with surprisingly little explanation of his particular crime or connection to the plot. He simply represents evil in the mind of the american public. So what purpose does this media-created bogeyman 'Islam' serve? The american media like to convince the public that islamic countries are not capable of rational thought - as this provides an excuse to blow the crap out of them. Members of the Carter administration sent telegrams that in effect said that the Iranian negotiators in the hostage crisis were irrational - despite the fact that they knew their own people better than any outsider ever could. It is estimated that Islamic Fundamentalists make up less than 5% of the muslim world, yet the media in america put forward a view of muslims as crazy, machine-gun weilding arab nutters with a enormous desire to kill westerners. Hisbollah (who the media in america call terrorists) are a resistance movement fighting the illegal occupation of their country (lebanon) by israel. International law says that a population has the RIGHT to fight an occupying force. The french and norwegian resistance movements during WWII are today seen as heroes, yet hizbollah are only seen as the bad guys. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 11 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Concluding Post # 3 : Media-fueled xenophobia toward Islam : Edward Said In the Gulf War it could be argued that Saddam Hussain was only protecting iraq's oil interests by occupying kuwait. Kuwait, it has been suggested, was stealing shared oil! The government of america charged in to protect the citizens of kuwait from the 'crazy arab dictator', millions of iraqi citizens died and are still suffering from US/UN imposed sanctions because america buys oil from Q8. During Desert Storm, uranian-tipped bullets were used in their millions (possibly to justify continuation of weapons contracts). These radioactive materials are strewn over the whole of iraq and it is reported by amnesty international that children are being born with serious birth defects. Was Saddam REALLY the bad guy? The thrust of this essay is the belief that the media in america perpetuate the 'spectre' of a malevolent islam in order to cover up the fact that the american government has perpetrated some horrendous crimes against the islamic world. Since the end of the cold war, the media have needed the threat of an evil outside force to draw attention away from in depth analysis by the american public of israeli/american crimes committed in israeli/american interests. For a list of these crimes, check out Said (1997). Of course, America is not alone in blameworthiness. My own country, Britain, still languishes in post-colonial belief that the Arab and Asian states and peoples are somehow 'beneath' us. The real battle that america is yet to fight is to avoid falling into a state of splendid isolation such as that which categorised Britain for many years. Ironically, as it grows in strength, America is becoming increasingly isolated and mistrusted internationally. It is time for the american people to take a good look at the effects (good and bad) of their own media and government policy on international perception of America as a state. |
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RDHPXK 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 12 of 510 ) PAKISTAN and AFGHANISTAN are hotbeds for Terroist activity. USA should flatten the ISLAMIC jihad gene pool for couple of generations. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 13 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava A Day of Tragedy for the Wounded Heart of America : David Duke ...Perhaps we have just witnessed the beginning of the economic collapse of the Western World. All Americans will feel the effects of this dramatic act of war, as will hundreds of millions more across the globe. For years I have tried to prevent this occurrence. I have tried to inform my fellow Americans that getting involved in other people's wars would have terrible consequences. Supplying and sometimes even using guns and tanks and planes and bombs against one side in a foreign war, creates millions of angry enemies against us. How can we reconcile that the most powerful lobby in the American Congress is in the service of a foreign government? How can learn the truth when that same powerful, Zionist Lobby dominates the entire media spectrum from newspapers to magazines, television, movies and music? But, it is not this foreign lobby that ends up suffering. Nor will suffer the media, which has prodded us into everybody else's fight in the remotest corners of the world. No, they'll just have more disasters to cover; more stories to sell. No, it is our people, the normal moms and pops, and sons and daughters of America who will suffer. We will pay with our money, our lives, our limbs, our freedoms, our children, our very blood. Thousands of good Americans suffered today; perhaps millions tomorrow. The Government and Media, who are in service of a supremacist state in the Middle East, rather than the American nation, have made millions across the world despise us. Those new enemies of the United States will even go to the extreme of sacrificing their own lives to take our lives. Some of America's enemies did so today. They were so driven, that they immolated themselves as they slaughtered thousands of Americans. Let us pray for our fellow Americans who died, for their families, and for our country that now reaps the whirlwind. There is no way to adequately defend ourselves from such suicidal acts of terrorism. Our masters already plan their war against the terrorism that they themselves inspired, and it will be a war on our most basic freedoms; for in a war, there are no civil rights. May we also pray, that the American people someday embrace, as they once did, George Washington's Farewell Speech in which he pleaded with Americans not to involve ourselves in "foreign wars." If we don't break the grip of this Zionist power in our midst, then Americans will come to live in the death, agony, and fear of terrorism that will haunt our children and their children for generations to come. Let this horrific act wake us up. On this day let us mourn the loss of our brethren. In the days ahead, let us free ourselves from the foreign powers that dominate us and put our love for our America and our people: first. Israel, Zionism, and the Racial Double Standard Truth About Interracial Crime: The Color of Crime Report |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 20 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava What the Middle East papers say: Brian Whitaker, The Guardian Middle East editor TIME Exclusive: Inside the Plot HOLIER THAN THOU, Islam and the religious ego, By Asghar Ali Engineer Muslims world over say US had it coming Indian Express. International Response Are we seeing the start of a new style of warfare? By SHUNJI TAOKA The Asahi Shimbun LA Times: America Attacked: Graphics : Tenants of World Trade Center (Adobe Acrobat PDF files) |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 21 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Here's an article by the Jewish media personality Ben Stein which fully admits Jews run and control Hollywood. Stein in effect concludes "it really doesn't matter" if Jews control the media because the result of Jewish media control would be no different than media controlled by anyone else, so we really shouldn't be too concerned. Yet without a doubt, Mr. Stein would certainly change his tune if the media was owned Arabs or "White extremists." Media Watch As U.S. Media Ownership Shrinks, Who Covers Islam? By Richard H. Curtiss Who Rules America? News Magazines: The story is pretty much the same for other media as it is for television, radio, films, music, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only three of any importance published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report. Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a subsidiary of Time Warner Communications, the new media conglomerate formed by the 1989 merger of Time, Inc., with Warner Communications. The CEO of Time Warner Communications, as mentioned above, is Gerald Levin, a Jew. Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Company, under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.1 million. U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.2 million, is owned and published by the aforementioned Mortimer B. Zuckerman, who also has taken the position of editor-in-chief of the magazine for himself. Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly and New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the country. |
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kkn 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 22 of 510 ) Hello All, My deepest sympathies to the people who lost their Kith and Kin the recent incidents. But what is striking me the most is arrogance of the US. No doubdt the US feels terribly angry about this and is contemplating a retaliation. They call this as an act of war, but when India was actually thrusted a war on it, the same US wanted India and Pakistan to "Talk", if the US has the right to defend its territory then any other soverign nation has the same right, who are the US at that time to advice us to "talk" ? so the US doesnt seem to have a balanced view of things, when it comes to themselves it is outright revenge, but for others it is moderation, "talks", UN securty council and all those kinds of bullshit. The entire world is now supporting the US, so what we learn is "POWER" is the keyword, our own so called Intelligentia who oppose our nuclearization/missiles wont deter pakistan from trying another Kargil or Afghanistan saying "please dont bomb us and put to hardship our already impoverished people", we want power whether that comes through money, missiles or nuclear bombs... and using them with responsibilty. The next thing is the weakness of our politicians, we want a strong leader, who is responsible to the mankind yet an extremist when it comes to external aggression. Lets all pray for such a leader. Jai Hind. |
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every 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 23 of 510 ) Well said KKN . I support your view . I deeply sympathise with all the people killed /injured in the recent attack . May God bless their souls and their families . Yes KKN , the KASHMIR problem is an internal issue . It is India who is suffering in KASHMIR for so many years . India will settle the score . None else's opinion should be important for us . The terrorists who has driven out lakhs of hindus from kashmir , who has massacred lakhs of hindus must be delt with an iron hand , and for God's sake no talk with the satans . The terrorists must be killed so that they can travel to heaven or hell . The world is certainly not a place for these people and their supporters . Pakistan was India's enemy no. 1 and it will remain so . India should try every mean to punish the Pakistanis and Pakistan for their cross-border terrorism . .....I will support USA if it take any millitary action against Afganistan or any other rogue states . They have committed enough crime , It is high time to punish them brutally . |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 24 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava dialogue - a proposal The full text of the very influential paper by David Bohm, Donald Factor and Peter Garrett "When humans will not radically change themselves, perform a fundamental change in themselves - not with god or prayers, all this stuff is too immature, too infantile - then we will destroy ourselves. NOW a revolution in the psyche is possible, not thousand years later. We are living for thousands of years, and we are still barbarians. So if we don't change ourselves now, we will still be barbarians tomorrow or in thousands of tomorrows. When I don't stop war today, I will go to war tomorrow. Expressed simply: The future is now." "There is the army, within its own walls of self interest; and the businessman enclosed within steel and glass; and the housewife pottering about the house waiting for her husband and her children. There is the museaum keeper, and the orchestra conductor, each living within a fragment of life, each fragment becoming extra ordinarily important, unrelated in contradiction to other fragments, having its own honours, its own social dignity, its own prophets. The religious fragment is unrelated to the factory, and factory to the artist; the general is unrelated to the soldiers, as the priest to the layman. Sociaty is made up of these fragments, and the do-gooder and reformer are trying to patch up the broken pieces. But through these sepretive, broken, specialized parts, the human being carries on with his anxieties, guilt and apprehensions. in that we are all related, not in our specialzed fields. In the common greed, hate and aggression, human beings are related and this violence builds the culture, the society in wich we live. It si the mind and the heart that divide god and hate, love and violence - and in this duality the whole culture of man expands and contracts. The unity of man does not lie in any of the structures which the human mind has invented. Cooperation is not the nature of the intellect. Between love and hate can be no unity, and yet it is what the mind always trying to find and establish. Unity lies totally outside this field, and thought can not reach it. thought has constructed this culture of aggression, competition and war, and yet this very thought is groping after order and peace. But thought will never find order and peace, do what it will. Thought must be silent for the love to be." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 25 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava American Atomic-Genocide of the People of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, August, 1945 www.antiwar.com Why The U.S.A. Dropped The A-Bomb on Japan by Michael W. Stowell [2-27-2001] |
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maulana 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 26 of 510 ) The terror unleashed in US is an eyeopener for the whole world.Unfortunately, we the Indians, are very tolerant and very poor in learning lessons from the history. Ours is a reactionery attitude for every incident that has shaken us in the past.Every day so many of our compatriots are being butchered by the fanatics who have brought shame to one of the greatest religions of the world, namely the Islam. It is because of them that today the very name of Islam is being associated with the cowardice of terrorism.But we refuse to open our eyes to all this. We have become so insensitive that we simply shrug off the number of people being killed. What are we waiting for? To let this fire reach our houses? Or to let the situation go out of our hands? Cant we adopt a more proactive attitude and extinguish the fire early. Why do we have to wait for so long before taking any small action? |
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fire 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 27 of 510 ) Come on INDIA wake up wake up!!!Its time at least we ar something in south asia.We all know Bin Laden is sponsoring militant groups in kashmir.It is time now atleast we show some guts by sending some strong friendly signals to US and get prepared to war.We as a power in south asia have to participate in the attack as one of the sufferers of terrorisim.Leave the do not touch me foreign policy.At least we will be recognised now. |
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umashiv 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 28 of 510 ) Terrorism has been there since long. Only some handful of nations have been untouched by this menace. In south asian countries, India and Sri Lanka have been the worst sufferrers. Why China, Myanmar, Japan etc are not affected by it? The absence of religious fanatics may be one of the reason. To effectively root out terrorism acts, is to pay back in the same coin. A counter terrorist activity only can terrorise those terrorists organisations. Waging wars and killing innocent people through it cannot be justified. |
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matta 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 29 of 510 ) This is a good oppurtunity for us to team up with US and finish off Afghanistan and Pakistan - and China for good measure! |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 30 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava breaking news... Pravda.RU:Main:More in detail: RUSSIAN SECRET SERVICES: MASTERMINDS OF ATTACKS ON U.S. SAME AS THOSE OF MOSCOW AND VOLGODONSK BLASTS 2 YEARS AGO Experts of Russia’ Federal Security Service voiced today their version of who may be behind the terrorist attacks on the USA. In their view, it may have been the fundamental Islamic organization "Jamaat Islamia." The experts are sure that the "Jamaat Islamia" commands vast financial resources sufficient for preparation and perpetration of large-scale and well-coordinated acts of terrorism in any part of the globe, according to the RIA Novosti news agency. The headquarters of this radical group is located in Afghanistan. It also has branches in UAE, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The experts also say that it was this group that, in all likelihood, had masterminded and "sponsored" the explosions that demolished residential blocks in Moscow and the town of Volgodonsk (southern Russia) two years ago. Comparing details of the terrorist attacks in Moscow and the USA, FSB experts pointed out that the terrorists in both cases attempted to intimidate the state and population to achieve their political goals. Initially, the idea of perpetrating such acts from the air was voiced in 1996 by Movladi Udugov, the Vakhabist ideologist in Chechnya. He, in public, threatened Moscow that Chechen separatists would use a civilian airliner with komikazes onboard and direct it to the Kremlin. As for exploding residential buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk, it has been found that those terrorist acts were organized by Vakhabite Achimez Gochiyayev guided by Arab terrorists Hattab and Abu Umar. Arab mercenary Abu Umar has been eliminated by federal forces in Chechnya. Gochiyayev is believed to still hiding in the Pankiss Gorge in the Republic of Georgia. MASTERMINDS OF ATTACKS ON U.S. SAME AS THOSE OF MOSCOW AND VOLGODONSK BLASTS 2 YEARS AGO 17th Century poem by Saib-e-Tabrizi 'Kabul' (Qaabuul) Afghanistan: The Facts |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 31 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava CIA World Fact Book AfgHaanistaan Worse to Come, By William Raspberry, Saturday, September 15, 2001; Washington Post Anatomy Of a Failure, By Richard Cohen WP Saturday, September 15 Why Was There No Warning? WP Editorial, Saturday, September 15 ...warmonger republican, satta ke nashe meiN chuur... Buddha's first noble truth was that there is 'dukhkha' ...tathagat's ...there is 'moorchha'... barsaat shruu ho gayi aur chhataa(NMD) nahiN khula... may be a dozen secret services mocked and ridiculed dubya's NMD plans... StarWars... Anguttara Nikaya II.29 Vijja-bhagiya Sutta A Share in Clear Knowing Translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu. "These two qualities have a share in clear knowing. Which two? Tranquillity (samatha) & insight (vipassana). "When tranquillity is developed, what purpose does it serve? The mind is developed. And when the mind is developed, what purpose does it serve? Passion is abandoned. "When insight is developed, what purpose does it serve? Discernment is developed. And when discernment is developed, what purpose does it serve? Ignorance is abandoned." Theravada Text Archives in Zipped files God, Science, and Delusion: A Chat With Arthur C. Clarke Socrates Meets Jesus |
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kkn 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 42 of 510 ) Prem, Very good point. These Australians .... they atleast could have allowed the boat people to land and then could have decided about their future course of action, but after letting go the golden oppertunity to show the world their humane nature they are shedding crocodile tears for the Americans. While feeling bad for what happened in the US is fine, the treatment of the boat people exposes their hypocracy. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 43 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Bushh The effing button... 'We know that America is a land of some extraordinarily brilliant people. And yet their new president's singular contribution has been "Bushisms"—statements that are rib-ticklingly ridiculous. When he said things like "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream" or "We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile", people were forgiving because they assumed he suffered from spoonerism. But his supporters and family say he didn't. In which case, you can neither understand nor forgive his verbal lapses. Just consider some of these Bush profundities: "Quite frankly, teachers are the only ones who teach our children" or "For nasa, space is still a high priority" or "A low voter-turnout is an indication of fewer people going to polls." His history is weak: "The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history." His geography is weaker: "We have a firm commitment to nato, we are part of nato. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are part of Europe." He mixes his metaphors rather confusingly: "He can't take the high horse and claim the low road." And he can't seem to count: "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'." If as his supporters insist Bush doesn't have a speech defect, then the only conclusion is that the man occasionally suffers from a thinking defect. Can you imagine the dangers of such a man in the Oval Office? He wants to nuke a meteor rushing to earth, Hollywood style, and says "Press the button". But his staff don't, because they assume he must mean "Button the shirt" and the meteorite obliterates earth. Or vice-versa. He says "Button the shirt" and his staff assume he must mean "Press the button" and nuke Afghanistan. Jokes apart, clearly, there is something drastically wrong with politics. When we look at Indian or American politicians, we see that apart from a few exceptions, those who triumph are mediocre, shameless or corrupt. And yet, we all know that honest, dynamic, intelligent men and women abound. How come they don't or are unwilling to rise to the top in the world of politics?' Anita Pratap, Outlook Archives. Link2her features More Bush'ism Even More Bush'ism Top Ten George W. Bush Observations About New York City |
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pedant 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 44 of 510 ) Let us unite.USA is now going to dump us again over Kashmir.It really has no principles ,the white man never had any .To them one wog is as good as the other.despite the acute pain I feel over the WTC blasts I feel one must be realistic too.I wish I new what the opinion of Vinod Mehta our Dear Editor is on this one.He does seem to have quite a proclivity for the big Apple. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 48 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ... Ur power baloon is bust America... Ur saTTaa bazaar gonna go bust too... well below 6000... Bush the button trying to exploit the situation... diverting attention from economic doom n gloom... whipping up jaahil citizen tempers and claiming that people are angry and want revenge... today u said 'crusade'... did u? Maleeha and Sattar doing such a fine job... while Lalita sulking(?)... guys we heard of criminals (not just dawoods but rajans too) at large... now we have ambassadors at large... lol... every Hindu (goswami means cow owner... lol... and Mehta i think a baaboo... ) is delighted Muslims earning a mighty power as enemy... so that they more permanently remain a cow owners and a mehtas... lol... gaay chaap bandars day dreaming and wishful thinking working overtime 2 ally with the king dada... but alas... geo politics... and besides they(pakees) r yoong, dynamic n well educated... lol... Bush the buTTunn... putting macho postures... fooling n conning its people, to continue the illusion of being a great power... risking many many times more lives... ah Lalita MSing seen after 6 days on ndtv... operating with knives... a few more of ur own aircraft hit u with biological weapons (Biological warfare - disaster lurking in the corner ) or strike Atomic power station... and ur statecraft... we know u got mighty weapons... as we know ur minds r full of gobar too... Imraan Khaan called them 'bechaarey n ma'asoom' as our colonel called them 'innocent people'... i don't think they were as innocent... they can't be for letting these gobar chaap on the seats of power doesn't make these jaahils as innocent... ignorence is bliss... no its not... it is sheer hell... FaarooQ calling 'geedaRs' to die like... singhs... lol... |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 72 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava An Afghan-American speaks You can't bomb us back into the Stone Age. We're already there. But you can start a new world war, and that's exactly what Osama bin Laden wants. By Tamim Ansary at Salon.com If the United States retaliates against last Tuesday’s terrorist attacks by bombing Afghan cities, among the main victims of a U.S. strike will be the innocent women and children who live in terror under the Taliban government. Afghan Women First Victims of Terrorism : Wendy McElroy, FoxNews. Kashmir rebels back bin Laden, Sheikh Mushtaq, Japan Today, September 20, 2001 at 09:30 JST Secret plans for 10-year war BY MICHAEL EVANS, DEFENCE EDITOR, The Times Generals rule out 'D-Day invasion' Old doctrines for fighting wars, based on lining up tanks and artillery and layers of troops, are being thrown out and replaced by a more subtle and wide-ranging doctrine which seeks to defeat the enemy at its own game. “The aim is not to go for the enemy’s strengths, but its weaknesses,” one source said. American and British planners are working on the basis that military strikes will take place only as part of a broader global counter-terrorist operation, embracing every other type of international action — diplomatic, economic and political... The nuclear threat, Pakistan could lose control of its arsenal BY NIGEL HAWKES, The Times: West's worst scenario Any military action against Muslim terrorists within Afghanistan will have to take account of that, said George Perkovich, a nuclear weapons expert at the W. Alton Jones Foundation in Charlottesville, Virginia, who has specialised in the nuclear arms race between India and Pakistan. A Tale of Two Deliriums by Karen De Coster |
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ashokbas 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 73 of 510 ) There was a picture in Orange County Register (California) today of Pakistani women with toy guns shouting Death to America, Crush America and Taliban Zindabad. Think about the children these women will give birth to. What kind of mentality these children will have? |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 87 of 510 ) From Jawed Naqvi When Journalists Report For Duty Absolutley, spot on. This madness is widespread. I would say many, if not most mainstream editors in India would go along with the Time maniac. Equally so elsewhere. As a journalist myself, a secular Indian who happens to be a muslim and writing for a newspaper in Pakistan, not seen as kosher for an Indian Muslim, I seem to know the frustrations of the author with rabid jingoism and mindless xenophobia within the media. |
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andy 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 88 of 510 ) The attck on USA brought attention of all the nation to what terrorism is. India is suffering from this for the last 2 decades. All of the NATO countries never paid any attention to this nor in any way they came forward to issue any statements against this. They harbour terrorism and now they are paying the price. They themselves created the demon like Osama and even now they are still supporting the country like Pakisthan who is the driving force behind all the terrorism. USA supported all these activites so that their weapon market should grow and arms race which will benifit them. Now India have golden chance to destroy terrorist supporting nations and facilities. India should go all out and destroy all the Pak sponsored camps in PoK and Pakisthan and Afgan. Except India all the nation respects their citizens. We just issue statements when daily 10-15 peoples die in J&K. Indian PM should issue statement that if any Indian lose his life due to this terrorist attacks we will attack and destroy their camps la Iserel style of hot Pursuit. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 89 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava tathagat is pleased2C so many sane voices in airwaves and underneath electric pulses... papers are atleast 12 hours too late... ...tathagat tribute de Mossoud... real babu tirchhi Topi Waley... guys he used to wear his pakhul tilted to the left... he promised to wear it straight the day he is triumphant... the cape is a symbol for courage and hope for his men, and their banner... Before dubya smokes... some essential Rumi (delay is a relief... coz Poppa papal papacy was in the neighborhood)... he is making sense for a change... hey Brijesh how about George for a terrorist... Aadvaani and Thakray as ones... was India outraged when father of the nation Gaandhi was assassinated by the extreme right wingers, now ruling the roost... ah AfgHaan puttar, greatest of Rishies(the enlightened poets) Rumi... Love is the way messengers/ from the mystery tell us things. Love is the mother. We are her sons. She shines inside us, / visible-invisible, as we trust/ or lost trust, or feel it start to grow again. translated by Coleman Barks. It is your turn now, you waited, you were patient. The time has come, for us to polish you. We will transform your inner pearl into a house of fire. You're a gold mine. Did you know that, hidden in the dirt of the earth? It is your turn now, to be placed in fire. Let us cremate your impurities. ~translated by Shiva. The Taliban and the media, A country with no news or pictures, Reporters Without Borders, September 2000 Roomi born , c. Sept. 30, 1207, Balkh, Ghurid empire [now in Afghanistan] died Dec. 17, 1273 A Tribute to Molana Jalal-e-Din Mohammad Rumi Valuable Media Web sites focusing on Afghanistan |
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umashiv 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 90 of 510 ) US had declared war on the terrorists and the nations which harbour terrorists. It was the initial reaction right after the attack on the US but now after a gap of few days, they have also come to realise that without establishing fully the guilt on Osama Bin Laden, the war will be fruitless. Time heals all wounds and as already so much time has elasped, infinite justice can only be had if the perpetrators of the 11th September's carnage are hunted down and punished sparing the innocents. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 91 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava OPERATION INFINITE ARROGANCE What's in a name? A lot…. ... notion of State Power is over... guys its 'state terrorism' v/s 'group terrorism'... any disgruntled group of 50, 000 or more will make ur ivory towers unsafe...(while Orissa2Qand'har people starve)... in all this the right wingers are exposed... Dubya, Bulldozer, Haider de Austrian and Atom Bomb Vajpayee... are all OBinL as well, and dangerous to the peace de global village... India with its 180 million plus population here... makes this Buddha Desh a largest Muslim populated country... beside being the majority... baboons can't feed its hungry and starved citizen and yet jumping crazy onto de lap-o-Uncle Sam... Dr Roy 2 Advaani the Ayodhiya butcher... Quoting Prez Mush... about defending jehadis... by calling them freedom fighters... but both forgot that a few days prior... ABV talked about Bhagat Singh... i heard him say... they were freedom fighters but the means were not right... One expert on Fox called George Washington a terrorist... for that matter... and leaving choices to hundreds of nation... either with us or terrorist... the way the jaahil cowboy did... was arrogant and fascist in nature... threatening and blackmailing world community... I am sure even Neeru, Naser and Tit'o would have found it hard to make a choice under these circumstances... Dubya is as Atal as ABV... morning he screamed 'Revenge' evening he whispered 'Justice' ... than said 'Crusade'... than said errr... lol... his obvious ignorance of even words, let alone HOS names and Capitals... and their repercussions... than ur Infinite Justice reduced to 'Enduring Freedom'... whatever happened to 'Operation Noble Eagle'? expression such as 'Smoke' and 'wanted dead or alive' were sheer Bush'ism... Bioterrorism: The Next Threat? BY MICHAEL D. LEMONICK, TheTime.com On the brink of war : Now what? Letters2theGuardian What should you do if your flight is hijacked? Will killing or capturing Osama bin Laden make any difference? And is anywhere safe now? A fortnight after the attacks on America, these are the questions preoccupying many of us. Guardian experts offer some answers... In wake of crisis, idiocy sets in : Tony Norman, post-gazette.com the PeaceMaker Speak : The Kansas City Star : Americans need more vigilance on biological terrorism PS: tathagat is worried and sad at the plight of poor AfgHaan people... the women and children... the old and the sick... and all these brave compassionate women of BBC, CNN, ABC, NBC and the rest... India is full of caste ridden baboons without any compassion or respect for their own people... so tathagat won't seek their help... instead he calls upon Tata and Bata and Prem Jiis... and likes to help ease their plight... |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 504 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ... hey no lip Jetlii keTlii... noo spin... but it's gonna backfire 2... it will be positive publicity 4 Sonia's Oxford address... Bin Laden family has put in loadz of money in Harvard as well but no one mentioned it @ NDTV's NewsHour discussion... Sanghii bhangii goin' berserk again outta envy... 4 this ooogly disgusting rustic dehaatii chaddies not possible there... unimaginable there... a khaaQii halfpant @ Oxford ... ha ha ha!!! |
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Karapall 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 505 of 510 ) Look at this macaulayite shit tathagat. Just because he posted some shitty left wing links on forums, as a testament to this "well-readedness". The reason why "no one mentioned Bin laden helping harvard" is irrelevant, you marxist cretin, because Sonia Gandhi is going to oxford. -------------------------- it will be positive publicity 4 Sonia's Oxford address... Bin Laden family has put in loadz of money in Harvard as well but no one mentioned it @ NDTV's NewsHour discussion... |
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Karapall 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 506 of 510 ) Read the following to see how macaulayite and slavish this wannabe white piece of marxist shit tathagat is. apparently, people who wear shorts and help rural villagers are not worthy of going to oxford like this asshole. -------------------------------------- ... 4 this ooogly disgusting rustic dehaatii chaddies not possible there... unimaginable there... a khaaQii halfpant @ Oxford .. |
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Karapall 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 507 of 510 ) tathagat: "Sanghii bhangii goin' berserk again outta envy..." The funniest part is that you, as a marxist shit, do not even recognize that Indians dont really want to be on the same side a Bin Laden, even though the congresswallahs and their italian leader Antonia Maino want to be in the good books of Bin Laden to pacify their jihadi muslim vote bank in India. --------------------------------- |
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gandalf 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 509 of 510 ) "USE PR EFFECTIVELY. SPREAD THIS WORD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, FOR MAXIMUM EFFECT. slander this whore" Desperate attempt by facist pipsqueaks. This is the same podium where Nelson Mandella, Prince Charles etc spoke. I know the Sanghi mentality is driven by a latent fear, but this is really bizzare :-) |
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gandalf 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 510 of 510 ) "a khaaQii halfpant @ Oxford ... ha ha ha!!!" :-)))))) |
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