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China: Time to forget 1962? Free Speech Host 1/28/2001 Undoubtedly we have issues with China: its relationship with Pakistan, especially in nuclear and defence areas; its refusal to denounce cross-border terrorism; the unsettling border question; and the dumping of Chinese goods in India. Sri Vajpayee and Sri George have, however, done their bit from time to time. Can we ever face the border problem beyond the imperially drawn boundaries of the colonial past? |
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Wkumar 1/28/2001 ( 1 of 61 ) China will indeed be one of our greatest threats and adversaries for years to come. And 1962 proved that all too well unfortunatly. With India's current position, I feel the only thing we have to do right now is to slowly build up our strength, but stay away from doing something foolish. I don't mean bow down to the dragon, but simply play the part of a foe who is determined and fearless. By standing strong and drawing a line in the sand can send the message to Bejing that they need to take us seriously. However, let us not forget that China can, if the situation proved corrent, be a potential ally. Now I don't mean to contradict myself, but it's true. If somehow, down the road, our two nations and people's relations warmed, we should take the moment to build a strong relationship with one another. Such a bridge might prove very useful to the both of us, especially in dealing with Europe and the United States. |
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thetruth 1/28/2001 ( 2 of 61 ) we shouldn't forget what happened in 1962 . china back stabbed india and it's still occupying 88,000 sq km of indian land . china will oppose every move of india for self development . china wants to be the ruler of Asia and so it's trying every means to weaken India . Some idiots and international patriots of INDIA think China is our friend . How can China be our friend when it has its nuclear tipped missile aimed at india . let us also have some missiles pointed at china and then talk of friendship . we will achieve nothing being a friend to china . china is trying time and again to hobnob with india's internal affairs and kashmir problem . whenever china talk about kashmir , let us talk about tibet and tiwan . china has no respect for human rights . it is occupying the first position in the world in terms of awarding capital punishment ( on the average A ROYAL 6000 per year , way ahead of countries like iran ) . india supported china being the permanent member of UN security council . China expressed its gratitude by attacking india . so how can we belive this rogue country ( Please answer me communists idiots of India ) ? China is technically far superior to India . It has more powerful weapons . It has no respect for world community . India must work hard top overtook china in the field opf technolgy and millitary strength . China is not to be believed . China is trying its best to weaken India . China is helping India's enemies . India must seriously consider these things . India must prepare to tame a possible chinese Hitler . And for we indians our people , our land and our security is much more important than chinese good humor . |
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Vj 1/28/2001 ( 3 of 61 ) China is only using Pakistan to keep us busy while it becomes a giant. Lets not play the game by its rules. We need to grow economically as well. Once it realises that it will leave Paki to its fate and start playing on equal terms. That's healthy for both nations. Looking it the other way, its helping Pak as it cannot directly engage us in a military conflict. Also we can support the just cause of Taiwan whom china is bullying. Lets support freedom of speech and we will find many friends that way. -Another Indian |
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ap 1/28/2001 ( 4 of 61 ) "Beijing has a history of piggybacking military cooperation onto commercial ventures," said Richard Fisher, an Asian specialist at the Jamestown Foundation. "From what we know now, this is a commercial deal, but it can easily set the stage for military cooperation in the future." China, which lacks a blue water port in the region, is also continuing its extensive aid to improve Pakistanīs road networks. Indian military analysts fear that the combination of the vastly improved Gwadar site and reliable overland links could give China a well-equipped staging ground on Indiaīs western flank. Islamabad "is looking toward naval cooperation with Indiaīs eastern neighbors to gain something it has not had since East Pakistan became Bangladesh -- the ability to flank India." http://www.washtimes.com/world/20010531-50444965.htm |
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mrinal 1/28/2001 ( 5 of 61 ) I believe red china with no democratic decision making mechanism in place will always remain a threat to India. The chinese government is not accountable to anyone; 1962 would definitely not have happened under a democratic regime. It is difficult to predict what communist China is upto at any given time for the simple reason that unlike its definition,communism has always provided power to few;the ultimate elite. It would be stupid to look upon china as a non threat and to engage it with no quid pro quo.China's territorial ambitions are obvious and the insecurity it feels since the opium days make it quite a threatening adversary. We do indeed live in a 'tough neighbourhood'. |
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kamal 1/28/2001 ( 6 of 61 ) only three super powers will be there for years to come. They are USA, China and India in the same order of power level. probably, brazil will be in the forth place. no one else. |
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samrat 1/28/2001 ( 7 of 61 ) Dear Kamal, Could you please justify the patently hilarious statement that you made in your last post. I'm really very interested in knowing what makes you think that India will be a superpower. |
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kamal 1/28/2001 ( 8 of 61 ) samrat, it depends on econimic power + military power + population + area + high tech etc. |
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Fire 1/28/2001 ( 9 of 61 ) India never forgets 1962.We as people of india must never forgive this until we avenge it.India now must realise that it must compare itself with china not with pakistan.India also must try to bring down iron curtain (communism)in china by all means by helping the pro -democratic forces.Then tibet will be divided from china.India must work closer with unitedstates to achieve this.India must have a decesive foreign poliy.I am just kidding.IS THIS POSSIBLE ???HA HA HA. |
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rohit 1/28/2001 ( 10 of 61 ) I don't approve of Vajpayee's Look East policy. What's the point in having collaboration in IT with Malaysia, which is a competitor to Indian IT? Ofcourse Indian IT is unbeatable, next only to the US (it seems to be overtaking US, if the recession in US continues this way). The real threat however, both as competitor and military power is China. And Vajpayee should rather devlop a more friendly atmosphere with China. I'm not talking collaboration, but cooperation and less of antagonism. Indians as individuals have more potential (and r more successful-USA) then Chineze. but the same should reflect at the national level and amongst the governments! |
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Tathagat 1/28/2001 ( 11 of 61 ) appa DeepO bhava The story of Bodhidharma and his meeting with the Chinese emperor Wu -- a very strange meeting, very fruitful. Emperor Wu perhaps was at that time the greatest emperor in the world; he ruled all over China, Mongolia, Korea, the whole of Asia, except India. He became convinced of the truth of Gautam Buddha's teachings, but the people who had brought the message of Buddha were scholars. None of them were mystics. And then the news came that Bodhidharma was coming, and there was a great thrill all over the land. Because Emperor Wu had become influenced by Gautam Buddha, that had made his whole empire influenced by the same teaching. And now a real mystic, a buddha, was coming. It was such a great joy! Emperor Wu had never before come to the boundaries where India and China meet to receive anyone. With great respect he welcomed Bodhidharma, and he asked , "I have been asking all the monks and the scholars who have been coming, but nobody has been of any help -- I have tried everything. But how to get rid of this self? And Buddha says, `Unless you become a no-self, your misery cannot end.'" He was sincere. Bodhidharma looked into his eyes, and he said, "I will be staying by the side of the river near the mountain in the temple. Tomorrow morning, at four o'clock exactly, you come and I will finish this self forever. But remember, you are not to bring any arms with you, any guards with you; you have to come alone." Wu was a little worried -- the man was strange! "How can he just destroy my self so quickly? It takes -- it has been told by the scholars -- lives and lives of meditation; then the self disappears. This man is weird! And he is wanting me in the darkness, early in the morning at four o'clock, alone, even without a sword, no guards, no other companion. This man seems to be strange -- he could do anything. And what does he mean that he will kill the self forever? He can kill me, but how will he kill the self?" The whole night he could not sleep. He changed his mind again and again -- to go or not to go? But there was something in the man's eyes, and there was something in his voice, and there was some aura of authority when he said, "Just come at four o'clock sharp, and I will finish this self forever! You need not be worried about it." What he said looked absurd, but the way he said it, and the way he looked were so authoritative: he knows what he is saying. Finally Wu had to decide to go. He decided to risk, "At the most he can kill me -- what else? And I have tried everything. I cannot attain this no-self, and without attaining this no-self there is no end to misery." He knocked on the temple door, and Bodhidharma said, "I knew you would come; I knew also that the whole night you would be changing your mind. But that does not matter -- you have come. Now sit down in the lotus posture, close your eyes, and I am going to sit in front of you. "The moment you find, inside, your self, catch hold of it so I can kill it. Just catch hold of it tightly and tell me that you have caught it, and I will kill it and it will be finished. It is a question of minutes." Wu was a little afraid. Bodhidharma looked like a madman; he is painted like a madman -- he was not like that, but the paintings are symbolic. That's the impression he must have left on people. It was not his real face, but that must be the face that people were remembering. He was sitting with his big staff in front of Wu, and he said to him, "Don't miss a second. Just the moment you catch hold of it -- search inside every nook and corner -- open your eyes and then tell me that you have caught it, and I will finish it." ... cont., |
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Tathagat 1/28/2001 ( 12 of 61 ) appa DeepO bhava Then there was silence. One hour passed, two hours passed and the sun was rising, and Wu was a different man. In those two hours he looked inside himself, in every nook and corner. He had to look -- that man was sitting there; he could have hit him on his head with his staff. You could expect anything; whatever.... He was not a man of etiquette, manner; he was not part of Wu's court, so he had to look intently, intensively. And as he looked, he became relaxed, because it was nowhere. And in looking for it, all thoughts disappeared. The search was so intense that his whole energy was involved in it; there was nothing left to think and desire, and this and that. As the sun was rising Bodhidharma saw Wu's face; he was not the same man -- such silence, such depth. He had disappeared. Bodhidharma shook him and told him, "Open your eyes -- it is not there. I don't have to kill it. I am a nonviolent man, I don't kill anything! But this self does not exist. Because you never look at it, it goes on existing. It is in your not looking for it, in your unawareness, that it exists. Now it is gone." Two hours had passed, and Wu was immensely glad. He had never tasted such sweetness, such freshness, such newness, such beauty. And he was not. Bodhidharma had fulfilled his promise. Emperor Wu bowed down, touched his feet and said, "Please forgive me thinking that you are mad, thinking that you don't know manners, thinking that you you are weird, thinking that you you can be dangerous. I have never seen a more compassionate man than you... I am totally fulfilled. Now there is no question in me." Emperor Wu said that when he died, on his grave, the memorial, Bodhidharma's statement should be engraved in gold, for the people in centuries to come to know..."There was a man who looked mad, but who was capable of doing miracles. Without doing anything he helped me to be a non-self. And since then everything has changed. Everything is the same but I am not the same, and life has become just a pure song of silence." ... 5th century AD ... the guy was from Kanchi Puram... 3rd son of Raja Sugandh... his guru was Pragyatar (western scholars spelled it... Prajnatar)... on whose advice he traveled to China... the guy used to cha'an (dhyan, as in Niho'NN, its called Zen)... facing to the wall and hence known as "wall staring/ gazing brahmin from Buddha Desh (Bharat), besides "the mad monk", he was silent for years... meditating and understanding Chinese ways... founded a cha'an sangha... Kung Fu inhieN ki daingee hey... lotta stuff on him on the net... just type bodhidharma in ur search engine... what a sweet conqurer... the guy revived Buddha dhamma in China n took it to NihhoN... Zen his babbe... what a loveable Buddha Desh Baashi... there r so few effing many... tathagat wish to see a movie on him... will highlight the shared things... I will call it Great Asian Amalgamation... :), ...enuff sed fred... |
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Tathagat 1/28/2001 ( 14 of 61 ) appa DeepO bhava The Emperor had built many temples and performed many charitable acts and considered himself the most hard working and worthy of orthodox Buddhists; and so he asked the Zen philosopher how much merit all his imperial good deeds had gained him. Bodhidharma looked surprised. "Why, none." he answered. The Emperor grew indignant. "Then what," he demanded, "if not good works should I as a Buddhist have striven to accomplish?" "To be empty of yourself," answered Bodhidharma. It was not the sort of remark one generally made to Chinese emperors. The emperor countered, "Just who do you think you are?" and Bodhidharma shrugged. "I have no idea," he said. But the man with no ego was not a fool; The Blue Eyed Demon left town fast and headed for the sanctuary of Shao Lin Monastery. At Shao Lin Ji, as legend has it, Zen's First Patriarch found the priests to be in such poor physical condition that, in addition to teaching them his new form of meditation Buddhism, he instructed them in the Tai Ji Quan/Vajramushti discipline known to us now as Gong (Kung) Fu. However the Shao Lin priests managed to learn Gong Fu, one thing is certain: they learned it well within the context of Zen's Code of Conduct. The martial arts were practiced as a spiritual discipline, a devotional exercise, an expression of egoless action. There could be no swaggering, no aggressiveness, no emotional involvement of any kind... and never a thought of vengeance. An angry man or a proud man was unfit for such ritualized combat. If a student started to behave egoistically and didn't catch himself in the act, he'd get a lesson in humility when his master caught up with him. "To be empty of yourself!" Think of it. What did Bodhidharma mean and how exactly did that meaning translate into Wushidao/Bushido? http://www.jps.net/dabase/bodhi.htm http://www.zenmind.com/bodhidharma.html |
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critter 1/28/2001 ( 15 of 61 ) India should learn from the mistakes it has made during the past. Chinees cannot be belived since they belive in their own existence as counterbalance to USA. from the past it always supported the fall of Soviet Union only because it wanted to the super power of asia eventhough SovietUnion supported them to fight japnees. the only problem is india they will do all they can not to allow india to grow. this is the time for india to join USA and take control of indian ocean trading routes which willchoke china to death. |
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kamal 1/28/2001 ( 16 of 61 ) China is totally toward economic development rather than military development. In order to compete with china we need to increase our economy by 3 folds and military by 50 folds in terms of modern weapons not no of soldiers. we should avoid technology transfer to china. I heard that companies like Infosys, Wipro and SSI are going to china. Eventually, they will end up making competition against India. This should be avoided. Remember knowledge is power. If Intel did not upgrade microprocessor periodically, chinese may soon develop duplicate Intel microprocessor on their own and they will sell it for 1/4 of the intel price. Chinese are more confident,hard working and patriotic. Every indian should be like that. Until we achieve all these things we cannot compare ourself with china. They are far ahead of us. |
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anand001 1/28/2001 ( 17 of 61 ) The chinese have a mind set which says they are the supreme and other countries are to be their vassels. It is good for a country to have such a faith but, it holds good for others too. The chinese play a game WEI CHEI which involves encirclement of the opponent. They seem to be playing the same with India, but forgetting that their reach is a bit over stretched. It is high time time that they settle the border dispute with India and get the hell out of Tibet, before it is too late for them!! |
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kumar 1/28/2001 ( 18 of 61 ) whenever we r talking about china [dragon],we must not forget, the past , their mentality,which is different from ofcorse pakistan. now,after the spyplane drama with one &only superpower america, india will have to walk on very fine-line , becauseof gowing bonhomy from usa. we must b mature enough ,@the mentality of usa, as it was with pakistan, meaning we must not b used as a skepgoat by usa |
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RP 1/28/2001 ( 19 of 61 ) The chinese as a race suffer from inferirity complex. There is nothing that they can call their own. They do not have their own culture or religion. They always envy India ans Indians as we live content and happy life. Only way we can make peace with them is by having no border with them. FREE TIBET! |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 20 of 61 ) the chinese are unreliable and untrustworthy. they have conquered tibet and claim it as their own. india's shameful behavior regarding this episode needs to be exposed. not willing to fight the chinese and betrayed by nehru and the communists surrounding him, india should reverse policy. under no circustance should india accept tibet a part of chine. for this india has to build up it's military and economy. a day will come when the chinese will face problems in tibet. this time india should be ready. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 21 of 61 ) it should be well understood that india has no border with china. this is the deception that the indian govt. is playing to cover up it's own mistakes. india has a border with tibet and not china. china is illegally occupying tibet. a weak india is not willing to challenge chinese bastards. these chinese scoundrels are hell bent on troubling india. they have given atom bombs to the pakistani mad dogs to throw on india. it is time indians wake up to the reality around them. communist bastards in bengal continue to lie about china. these idiots are traitors who love china more than india. the chinese don't give a shit for them poor bastards an actually laugh at their stupidity. let us change our mentality. there is no border isuue with china, it is with tibet. |
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hindu 1/28/2001 ( 22 of 61 ) Read "Hegemon" by S. W. Mosher for an understanding of the Chinese mindset. The Chinese are hell bent on becoming the superpower in Asia. The only credible threat to those plans is India. Hence the strategy to encircle India. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 23 of 61 ) hindu i fully agree. only idiots like these outlook commies forget history that is convenient to them. why should we forget 1962 treachery. never. we should work for Tibetan independence even if it takes 50 years more. the fact is we have done nothing. we have been cowards. the bjp is no better than the congress. they are behaving like fools. Tibet was an independent country all along, never a chinese territory. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 24 of 61 ) we should never have recognised chinese control of Tibet. but communist bastards in Nehrus cabinet and Nehru himself mishandled the situation. What a disaster this Nehru was, it is unbelievable. WE should start by calling our border with Tibet, as Indo-Tibet border not indo-chinese border. This is bullshit. We should show Tibet as a seperate country in our maps. WE should not borrow from Chinese maps that are full of lies. Chinese maprs show Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh as Chinese Territory. Hence, we should show Tibet as a seperate country is our books, newspapers, and television. Let us start by this truth and then go on to support Tibet in every way and form. |
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bob147 1/28/2001 ( 25 of 61 ) Read excerpts from Khushwant Singh's memoirs in last week's outlook. Splendid insight!!!!!! |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 26 of 61 ) bob147, i do not have access. what does he say. |
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Brucel 1/28/2001 ( 27 of 61 ) It would be ideal if all the great superpowers could work in peaceful co-existence, but as an American I'm apprehensive about the Chinese motives. Can anybody give some insight on the Chinese mindset? Of all the superpowers India and America have the most common beliefs. For some reason, I believe Putin will do good things for Russia. I think the people in the Bush White House (Rice) have a solid respect for Russia, and I think America can mend her relationship with Russia. I also believe the Bush White House has made a smart move by trying to strengthen its regional ties in the other American countries (like Mexico). China is a different matter. I think these four countries--along with some European nations and perhaps Japan--will be the big players for some time to come, but what are the true motives behind China's recent moves? |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 28 of 61 ) Mr. Brucel, it is a pity that america and india have behaved like cowards when it comes to china. there is no doubt in my mind that china is a thrat to peace. recent history is an indicator. between 1940 and 160 china has added 1.6 million square miles to its teritory (tibet, sinkiang, and inner mongolia). that is staggering. there was no power in the region to stop them. only america had the means, but did not have the stomach to oppose these chinese moves. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 29 of 61 ) mr. brucel, it is necessary that india and china come together milirtarily to challenge not only china but islamic fundamentalism. however, i am afraid these two countries will not do that out of stupidity. america has never forgiven india for being pro russia during the cold war (out of compulsion and historical reasons). india never seems to appreciate the american way which is often crude and bossy. if these countries do not see the advantages of being friends both will suffer. china is a common enemy and a threat to india, japan, vietnam, and taiwan. only india has the means to contain china. it is imperative that america understand this and help india in this matter. on their part the indians should shunn their stupidity and old fashioned non-sense and meet the challenges boldly. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 30 of 61 ) mr brucel, the chinese suffer from a deep sense of inferiority complex. their behavior towards others is indicative of that. the indians have not shaken off their colonial past and suffer from complexes too. both want to be great countries and that is a comon goal. however, the chinese are more practical and hard working. indians are theoretical and suffer from inactivity or late activity. these characteristaics pose problems. but, china has to be contained one way or the other. |
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Brucel 1/28/2001 ( 31 of 61 ) luvvmann, It's interesting to hear a non-American perspective on the Chinese. To be honest, China is not understood very well over here by most. I think India is very well-liked by most Americans. (Gandhi probably had a lot to do with that.) Now with both countries taking the lead in the technology industry, there is a becoming a bond. I work as a computer programmer (Java), and I know several programmers from India who work here in Minnesota. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 32 of 61 ) mr brucel, glad to know of your views about indians. yes, you are correct indians are as a people quite peaceful and problem free in america and elsewhere. in india also peace prevails over much of the country (contrary to news stories). as india is a democracy with an unruly news media, it looks chaotic. most newspapers are leftist and corrupt. do not believe these journalists. they are on the payroll of the chinese and pakistani intelligence agencies. very few are honest. ok. see u. |
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safize 1/28/2001 ( 33 of 61 ) heavens be praised!wonders never cease.hmm.say what?i read luvvman's messages(whole three of them)and not a single mention of a 'maderchod' or a 'chinaal'.probably coz mr.brucel wouldn't have a hint of what those words were.if only luvvman could maintain that dignity when he's addressing his compatriots(muslim 'maderchods' included).did i hear somebody accuse me of being greedy? |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 34 of 61 ) safize gandu, i respect those that deserve respect. you are not one of them matherchot. if brucel insults india like you do everyday, then he will be abused too. gaddars like you need not be abused, just shot like pigs. |
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Karapall 1/28/2001 ( 35 of 61 ) luwmann, Good points. We should do to the chinese, what they have been doing to Indians for the past 5 decades. Support tibetan independence. Support states that are inimical to china, such as Taiwan. Encircle china with the help of the western powers. This should cook the goose of dogfukkers in the chinese communist party. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 36 of 61 ) I full agree with karapall. india should support tibetan independence. there is nothing much to be gained from china, for india. moreove the chinese matherchots have given the pakis atom bombs not to mention other military hardware just to cause problems for india. step 1. fuck pakistan in an all out war. butt fuck them without vaseline. destroy islamabad. what fucking stupid name is that for a city. 2. support tibetan independence and other movements within china. these mpotherfuckers are our enemies. |
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joy 1/28/2001 ( 37 of 61 ) I vote for sending Kara bhai and Luv bhai as our vaseline-deficient phallic army to Pakistan and China. Two purposes will be served- the Pakis will receive pain, and in the process two precious Indian lingams will be dented for good. Whether the denting of the lingams will lead to a denting of verbal bellicosity is another matter. Kara bhai, Luv bhai, get ready for some vaseline-less drilling- you are our new ambassadors. |
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safize 1/28/2001 ( 38 of 61 ) when the western alliance was knockin the livin daylights out of saddam's republican guard(whatever that means)analysts say,china got busy with its own military/space advancement programs to take on the west(and that time is not very far away).and what were we doin at that time?refuelling fighter planes on their way to iraq,no more.karapall says we should encircle china with western armies.i say that is NOT an option.the west will expect us to do just THAT.national sovereignty is for the fools. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 39 of 61 ) joy, you are on the money. paksitan is an immediate threat. it has to be eliminated. no pakistan, no bangla, no chutiya stans like these. islamabad should be destroyed. what is that name. fucking islamabad. it is rawalpindi. keep the old name. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 40 of 61 ) joy, as for the chinese bastards, they are the worst kind of animals the commies. untrustworthy with a diose of inferiority complex. these fuckers need to be fucked in the long run. this can be done by encouraging tibetan independence and islamic terrorism in sinkiang. i am not sure why the paksitani muslim imposters do not support the independence of muslim sinkiang. there mushy mian sucks chinese dick and even drinks jiang zemins cum. the shameless muslim bastard. in kashmir he wants to save the muslims. what a fucking liar. it is time to kill mushy kutha. |
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rahulk 1/28/2001 ( 41 of 61 ) Dont you feel tired screaming abt the iniquities that a common Hindu faces? Now the worst offence someone can get is being called a Hindu. Thanks to our communists, congressmen and the secularists.. Time every Hindu asserted the self-pride. 1.Why do you support a rabidly anti-Hindu, anti-national magazine like Outlook? 2. Why do u read a newspaper, a haven of Hindu-hating traitors, deceivingly called "The Hindu"? 3. Why do you still go for the glorious music imported from that bigoted country, Pakistan? 4. Why is that a rally by a handlful of publicity-hungry intellectuals get full-column coverage, in glowing terms, while every utterance of a national leader is relegated to scorn? Do we suffer from inferiority complex? Are we scared of the other? Think abt this. Think if by buying Outlook and The Hindu and other products we support those who work relentlessly towards destroying hindus. Think, act. I for one, along with my friends have resolved never to buy Outlook or Hindu again. Now, the people who have resolved number over a hundred. Cant you do the same thing? Think. Jai Hind. |
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gandalf 1/28/2001 ( 42 of 61 ) Rahulk.. Stop buying Outlook - not for any idialogical reason - but for the fact that you are too stupid to read and assimilate. Go to you stinking khakhi brothers and get another dose of self pity while the rest of us try and make our lives better. And you obviously suffer from a host of complexed - inferiority, oedipus, microphalism etc. Try to solve those too while you are at it |
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gandalf 1/28/2001 ( 43 of 61 ) Regarding Chinese.. funny how China is sitting on enough occupied teritory and we dont have the balls to raise the issues. Luwmans Khakhi clad dildoes can only pic on pregnant women. Forget the Chinese, we had a Rajiv killed by some bastard terrorists in Sri Lanka.. Where are the calls for redemption of national honour. I would have been happy if we really were going to become a self-respecting country but the fact is the Khaki Khelas are dragging us down into obscurity due to the ridiculous Muslim centric approach. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 44 of 61 ) sister fucking bastard gandalf, it is your communist masters who are sucking chinese dick. not the RSS. the RSS continuosly warns of chinese perfidy. it has opposed chinese domination of tibet. it is the marxists and the communists who have sucked chinese dick. you are the most fucked up cock sucking lying matherchot on this posting. matherchot the communists do not even admit to chinese atrocities in tibet. the congress party is most responsible for the state of affairs by neglecting india's defense requirements. not that the BJP has done any better recently. matherchot the RSS is not in power. the congress and communist matherchots were for the past 50 years. they are the ones who have sold out india. they are the ones who are sucking muslim dick and chinese dick. the BJP was given a chance to change these policies but they have lost their way also, undoubtedly. vajpayee is the main reason for this debacle. very soon he will be questioned by the rank and file and thrown out if he does not stick to the ideology of the BJP. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 45 of 61 ) gandalf bastard, i have always advocated that india should take a tough line with china. how can we do that when communists and congress bastards have formulated a policy that is self defeating. they have sold out india's interests and behaved like a bunch of clowns. starting with the traitor nehru. in what way is the RSS responsible for this. don't make stupid statements. the policy of appeasement of the chinese was put in place by nehru and his communist friends. the communists were hell bent on projecting china as a great power and wanted to subvert india in every way. just like the muslims subvert india vis-a-vis pakistan (with exceptions). indian communists are basically traitors. especially those from bengal. india's armed forces faced neglect under this policy of subversion during the nehru era until indira gandhi made some amends. but, the damage was done. even today india's defense forces are only 2 times the size of paksitan's. india should have an army 4 times pakistan's, not 2 times. that is the real problem why we have violence in kashmir and india's borders. india should match china not pakistan. the continued economic neglect and subversion by the congress and communist parties is the reason for this. has the BJP done anything to change this. nothing. they have gone back on their ideology. granted they are handicapped by the NDA alliance. but that should not be an excuse. either the BJP chnages and reverts to it's true ideology and ideals, or they will be wiped out making compromises. it is not the BJP that will suffer, it is the country that will suffer for this non-performance. |
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Karapall 1/28/2001 ( 46 of 61 ) Gandalf: " I would have been happy if we really were going to become a self-respecting country but the fact is the Khaki Khelas are dragging us down into obscurity due to the ridiculous Muslim centric approach." Is that so?? Care to elaborate? Are you trying to tell me that hindus ALONE are responsible for the sorry state of communal relations in India?? Are you trying to tell me that the communal muslim motherfuckers who claim to be the leaders of the muslim community are blameless?? what about the pseudo-secular dipshits and the majority of Indian muslims who seem to think that an abandoned mosque is more important to Indian muslims than working with the hindu community on various issues?? Any reason why the hindu majority should put up with the crap the muslims dump on them for the foreseeable future?? The more communal the muslims get, the more communal the hindus will become...as is already the case. |
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gandalf 1/28/2001 ( 47 of 61 ) aRE YOU assuming that Khaki Kichdis represent Hindhu, O karapal the Konfused |
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Karapall 1/28/2001 ( 48 of 61 ) gandalf: "aRE YOU assuming that Khaki Kichdis represent Hindhu," Of course, I dont imply that communist hindus represent anyone else other than marx, mao and stalin. I am talking about the hindus who are not champage-drinking socialists and are not third-rate communist pseudo-intellectuals. Just your average hindu who has a vested interest in supporting the RSS or similar groups, because they work to protect his/her interests, from his/her own personal perspective. |
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chinese 1/28/2001 ( 49 of 61 ) Really China invaded India in 1962? the fact is India attack china first,then china counterattack,and vanquish india.however in 1960's china is so isolated that the international society prefered to believe the "Communist" china attack the "democratic" india.now after review and research that history, academe all over the world has concluded that Nehru ordered to offense in order to recover the "india territary occupied by china". before the war,nehru declare for many times that he will drive chinese away from indian territory abroad.however he never thought india would be defeated. after vaquishing the inidan army,chinese return to the actual control line before the war break out.so if china is the aggressor,why she withdraw after the great victory? so china have on intention to resolve territory problem by force. as to the "dumping of Chinese goods in India",you should thought more about the reason of the incapacity of inida to produce more cheap goods by her cheaper humanpower cost . |
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chinese 1/28/2001 ( 50 of 61 ) Really China invaded India in 1962? the fact is India attack china first,then china counterattack,and vanquish india.however in 1960's china is so isolated that the international society prefered to believe the "Communist" china attack the "democratic" india.now after review and research that history, academe all over the world has concluded that Nehru ordered to offense in order to recover the "india territary occupied by china". before the war,nehru declare for many times that he will drive chinese away from indian territory abroad.however he never thought india would be defeated. after vaquishing the inidan army,chinese return to the actual control line before the war break out.so if china is the aggressor,why she withdraw after the great victory? so china have on intention to resolve territory problem by force. as to the "dumping of Chinese goods in India",you should thought more about the reason of the incapacity of inida to produce more cheap goods by her cheaper humanpower cost |
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chinese 1/28/2001 ( 51 of 61 ) Really China invaded India in 1962? the fact is India attack china first,then china counterattack,and vanquish india.however in 1960's china is so isolated that the international society prefered to believe the "Communist" china attack the "democratic" india.now after review and research that history, academe all over the world has concluded that Nehru ordered to offense in order to recover the "india territary occupied by china". before the war,nehru declare for many times that he will drive chinese away from indian territory abroad.however he never thought india would be defeated. after vaquishing the inidan army,chinese return to the actual control line before the war break out.so if china is the aggressor,why she withdraw after the great victory? so china have on intention to resolve territory problem by force. as to the "dumping of Chinese goods in India",you should thought more about the reason of the incapacity of inida to produce more cheap goods by her cheaper humanpower cost |
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chinese 1/28/2001 ( 52 of 61 ) Really China invaded India in 1962? the fact is India attack china first,then china counterattack,and vanquish india.however in 1960's china is so isolated that the international society prefered to believe the "Communist" china attack the "democratic" india.now after review and research that history, academe all over the world has concluded that Nehru ordered to offense in order to recover the "india territary occupied by china". before the war,nehru declare for many times that he will drive chinese away from indian territory abroad.however he never thought india would be defeated. after vaquishing the inidan army,chinese return to the actual control line before the war break out.so if china is the aggressor,why she withdraw after the great victory? so china have on intention to resolve territory problem by force. as to the "dumping of Chinese goods in India",you should thought more about the reason of the incapacity of inida to produce more cheap goods by her cheaper humanpower cost |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 53 of 61 ) chinese, good buddy. you are correct that nehru screwed india. chinese leaders were not stupid like nehru was. the fact is my dear enemy, is that china occupies tibet, sinkiang, and outer mongolia that does not belong to it. so the border problem is between india and tibet, not india and china. the chinese at the moment have the upper hand thanks to india's stupid behavior, performance, and bad leadership. but, time can change a lot of things my dear enemy. the right leadership in india will fuck pakistan and then your dear mercenary friend in pakistan will be no more. then we will see how to fuck you. that day will also come my dear enemy. also, the americans don't like you too much. that can cause problems too. also, the muslim fanatics in eastern turkistan may also fuck you. so be ready for an interesting future. |
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luvvmann 1/28/2001 ( 54 of 61 ) chinese, your country invaded tibet, eastern turkistan, and outer mongolia. you built the great wall to protect yourself remember. so, go eat cockroaches and lizards and come back and tell us some truthful things. |
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anwarsad 1/28/2001 ( 55 of 61 ) All: One can register with a small difference in the spelling of names. That is what some Pakistanis are taking advantage of. |
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anwarsad 1/28/2001 ( 56 of 61 ) Chinese: While it is true that Nehru asked Indian forces to occupy unoccupied posts in disputed territories which led to Chinese response of a full-fledged attack in which the Chinese clearly defeated the Indians it is not true that India started the war. Chinese were engaged in just the same activity that Indians got involved in. The difference was China could back up its actions and India thought it could depend upon the good will of China given India's support for China's place on the security council and the good relationships at the top level. We were naive and paid the price. Of course one should never forget the incident. What should happen is forgiveness and negotiations to end all border disputes. At the same time India should keep its security machinery in order to repel any future attack. There is no way that India can defeat China in a protracted engagement. Going nuclear will destroy us both. Perhaps a limited short engagement is the only one which India can come out ahead in and then we better hget cover from Russia and the US. So we should get stronger economically and militarily. And just talk with the Chinese to improve relations without letting down our guard. There are no major pressing disputes with China. We lost areas in 1962. China returned most of it. We should recognize this and try and build better relationship with our neighbor. No point in remaining engaged in a spitting duel over something that happend two generations ago. Forgive but do not forget should be the policy in this regard. Remain strong to guiarantee the safety of your borders and don't take any stupid and rash actions which one does not have the strength to backup. |
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gandalf 1/28/2001 ( 57 of 61 ) Indians will say the Chinese started it and the Chinese will say the Indians started it.. both of us have been programmed to parrot what ever is the official line. But one thing I as certain is Indians have a beeter record in allowing free thought and discussion so I would be more interested in an Indians view. No disrespect meant but typically if you hear one Chinese view, you have heard them all. |
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Karapall 1/28/2001 ( 58 of 61 ) chinese, you lyoing chinese scumbag. Stop spewing yoiur party line you communist donkey. Chinese are India's top enemy. If I see motherfuckers like you in India, I will run you over, you chinese piece of shit. |
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Karapall 1/28/2001 ( 59 of 61 ) Frogiveness to the lying chinese dogs??!! Unless one is demented, one will not forget that ALL the nukes and missiles in pakistan were provided by china. The fact is INDIA (Nehru, specifically) donated India's UNSC seat to china in the hope of Hindu-chini Bhai-=bhai. The chinese mongrels attacked india in return. These communist chinese dogs must be killed if they are spotted in India. I spit on the communist chinese leadership and their paid shills like this asshole "chinese". |
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Karapall 1/28/2001 ( 60 of 61 ) anwarsad: "What should happen is forgiveness and negotiations to end all border disputes." China still claims arunachal pradesh and sikkim, you imbecile. The chinese must be treated as top adversary No. 1. Forgiveness is not a word to be used in conjunction with the chinese. Those dogs will always be India's enemy, no matter how much we behave like gandhian turds. |
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gandalf 1/28/2001 ( 61 of 61 ) For once, I agree with you Crappy |
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