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Corruption in India will it ever end pshyam 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM Friends, as you must have read the tehelka tapes transcripts. How much of that is true and how much of that is false I do not know? But if it is true then it is high time that the people wake up and do something to stop the whole thing. We have simply become scape goats. We all have been cheated and fooled. It is high time people started to think about corruption in India. I fell ashamed to tell that i am an Indian now because in India you can buy anything and anyone with money? Ironically are there anymore honest people in India? |
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pshyam 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 1 of 78 ) If the transcripts of the tapes that tehelka has publised are really true then there is a big vulnerability in the indian defense. I think in that case the kargil war is also a kind of a deal by the ministers. If all this is true then nobody should vote for any politician in india. I think the situation has become so pathetic that now nothing in india can be done without money. are these people going to eat money. dont they have conscience at all. why cant these people work for the salary that they are getting. A small sect of poeple so called as politicians and leaders are fooling the whole nation. But again let me ask a question to all of u is there a way to stop these people from being corrupt? there should be capital punishment for bribery |
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loveraj 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 2 of 78 ) It can come into an end when the whole political and official staff is renewed or the law sees all with single eye.Laws should be modified and any misdoer should be treated hashly. But here is the case "oolti bhaar khet ko khae".Agar u can prove Laloo as innocent then u should prove others small indian(Poor) also as innocent.Otherwise is sarkar and work environment ka kya karna.The canker worm of the corruption is slowly eating away the nation and noone can prohibit it. |
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me 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 3 of 78 ) In my opinion, what Indian people really need to do in order to wipe off curroption is strictly controll themselves not to give or take bribe, even in the smallest form. Second thing, instead of bring their own cameras, like tehelka, they should compell Indian Government to install survelliance cameras in Indian public sector, where curroption is highest ( no doubt) and customer service is no good. |
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samitsk 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 4 of 78 ) Letter to Ms. Sonia Gandhi, sent on March 19, 2001 from http://www.soniagandhionline.com I await a reply ;-) Will keep you guys posted. Dear Ms. Gandhi, The behavior of our elected representatives from your party after the Tehelka expose has been shameful, and this will be the understatement of the year. I am sure if the sting was carried out in any of our states ruled by your party, the results would have been pretty much the same. Politicians and beauracrats drooling at the sight of money. You don't have the guts to face the people for a fresh election, nor will allow a debate in parliament or bring down the government with a vote of confidence. As I see it, this is a case of pot calling the kettle black. And we know which is blacker. It was the Congress that ruled this country for almost 50 years. You, as the President of this party should also take moral responsibility for the corruption at all levels of society and resign and stay out of public life. Or does this only work in one direction ? As I see it, there is only one way to bring down the government. Defeat it on the floor in a show of strength. Any other means is against the law. I do not remember Mr. Rajiv Gandhi having resigned after the Bofors scandal. Or are you implicitly accepting that Mr Vajpayee has higher moral values ? As for all the crap being fed by your propoganda machine about people having been caught red handed, all those on camera have already resigned. Even Mr. Fernandes, who is only mentioned by a name dropping middleman. So who are you fooling now ? Please do reply, if you do have any answers. Regards, Samit. P.S. I look forward to a sting by another news portal about the aiding and abetting of arms smuggling by the official machinery in Cong rules states. Is this not anti-national ? |
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Tathagat 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 5 of 78 ) appa DeepO bhava ... It's shamelessness of Bhajpayee, not resigning... Now the people with over whelming public opinion against ur corrupt govt., and the party... will be pulled down... ur over blown jingoistic baloon has burst... U n ur party R DISGRACED Mr Bajpayee Media pygmies n teen newsmen aren't sensible and informed enuff to differntiate the role n history of congress... and the lumpen communal fascist. This full speed ride on 'dhoort-ta" won't pay... when u actually go to people... they probably gonna spit on ur face... ur lies no more credible... pretender baoons thoroughly exposed... there is no way u can git away with that. |
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pshyam 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 6 of 78 ) This the problem again india. If you want this government to go then you will face another election. Another 1500crores being blown. It is all our money. The tax payers money. My company deducts tax and then gives salary for me. so i do not want my money to go waste. I dont want to spend any money on these goddamn people. The election law should change. the government should no longer spend money from election. say I a constituency if five people are contesting then all the five of them should share the election expenses. Then let these people think of elections every one month no problems from me. All of them are thiefs. |
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arjuns 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 7 of 78 ) for now its only few people but as for tomorrow there are many more. arjun |
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ashish 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 8 of 78 ) The UK has been slaughtering hundreds of cattle suspected of being infected with "Foot & Mouth" disease. Why can't we do the same to our politicians and bureaucrats - they are not suspected but confirmed carriers of nation threatening diseases - "FOOT IN THE MOUTH" and "HAND IN THE POOR TAXPAYERS TILL". I'm sure no national referendum is needed to prove this. ---------------------- ashish |
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omsai 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 9 of 78 ) Tehelka went around for about 8 months with that camera (which seems mightier than the pen) without finding single public servant telling them 'get lost'. Maybe they are not looking for one. But then there lies another 'Tehelkam'. |
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Mjames 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 10 of 78 ) What we are talking here? for political corruption? India has a problem. We all are corrupt. workers don't work honestly full time, tax payers do not pay properly rather cheat. business people mix wvwey commodity and poison people stomach. oficers do not rule or act honestly, as they can meet their extra expenses of women, wine and wagery and so why blame poor Politicians. This specie is the newest creature in Indian origin. It has come to its full youth like a young woman and taking its toll. when there will be no one to handle her any more, she will vanish own its own or someone has to grab her and put in his harem for rest of her life i.e. Dictatorship, for which we have no stemina in our armed forces and they too folowed this corrupt young beauty to have their share. Let their be a ch |
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Mjames 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 11 of 78 ) Continued From Above aracter revival in every soul and let every one hindu,muslim,christian,sikh or any cast or creed raise their hands up to heaven and sak God's mercy on this beautiful land of ours and send aids, herpeys,tb, cholera, menangites and every sort of incureable disease to every politicians in India and clean the stage by wiping them out once for all and bring new generatiion, who could undertsand why these corrupt people were punished. this is the only remedy for India and only God can give it to India no one else. |
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Mjames 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 12 of 78 ) Continued From Above |
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ksramesh 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 13 of 78 ) The root of corruption in India lies in the bureaucracy. Whereever there is an administrative wing separate from the operations, such administrative personnel are not responsible and accountable. Corruption occurs here because power is not in the hands of those responsible. This is true not only of the Government, but any organisation. |
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One 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 14 of 78 ) It is a very shameless act to support the so-called NDA or basically BJP. If the BJP wins the next election it shows how STUPID we Indians are. Inspite of all those tapes if this government is existing then I think India is NOT a DEMOCRATIC state. All this only shows the strength in BJP and the weakness in we-poor-citizens.The BJP not only controls the militery and the media but also the minds of a billion Indias. Actually there is no party that has no corrupt people in it but none of them is today as strong as this party is. BJP is really getting DANGEROUS. |
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gsm 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 15 of 78 ) corruption can be brought to its end only if political people want its end because they have brought it in .Now they are the only poeple who can end it. Mere talks about it will not suffice. |
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anirudh 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 16 of 78 ) if u ask a that can there be sun during the night,it can be but when u ask will corrupion ever end,it a joke?our politicians and the biggest bastards and mother fuckers all times.bloody they can take money from anyone and everyone.they dont even feel ashamed doing that.according to me corruption will ened only if they are bloody fired one at a time,bastards,otherwise it will be the same |
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Ravi 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 17 of 78 ) I think what "ONE" is saying is very right and makes one think again about INDIA,our DEMOCRACY and our POLITICIANS. KEEP IT UP "ONE" You are really SMART |
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manu 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 18 of 78 ) The Kargil War was a shameless game played by the Fucking NDA govt But NDTV and actually the whole media made it a success story for these mother fuckers I was pretty sure that the BJP was going to fall coz of the war but it didn't surprise how powerful BJP became DUE to it. Again the TEHELKA tapes are doing the same thing what the Kargil war did -- Instead of becoming a factor of overthrowing of the BJP it is just proving to be feather in these BJP walas' caps. WHERE ARE WE HEADING TO?? DO WE HAVE ANY CONTROL ON THE GOVT.? OR IS IT THAT WHATEVER THIS GOVT. DOES WE ARE GOING TO BLINDLY APPROVE IT??? |
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rav666 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 19 of 78 ) Your statement amuses me. Tehelka tapes a 'feather' in BJP walas' caps??? It is one embarassment they would've done without. However, the issue has gotten terribly diluted because of 'stained hands' ocupying moral high grounds and accusing the BJP. A non-political uprising by 'We, the people' would've dealt a much larger blow. |
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genius_3 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 20 of 78 ) Big time corruption really started with Indira Ghandhi regime and continued by her sons and her party namely congress. Many of these congress men has infiltriated BJP. Also there are many bad people in BJP. The task right now shall be to punish and purge the corrupt & criminals from BJP & its associated parties so that a rule of law can be enforced in India. The alternative of BJP is congress and it's cohoots who all are worst then BJP and will sell India much faster than BJP. Think of talent in congress, there is none. Who are congress allies Lallu,Jayalalitha, may be mulayam yadav all hardcore criminals. If India is to survive, it can be acheived by reforming BJP not by replacing it with hardcore proffessional crimnials. If things does not improve in near future then India will break up and will be enslaved once again all due to corrupt politicians and system. |
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arnold 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 21 of 78 ) The ‘slumber’ of this NDA government is alarming. Are they asleep or comatose ? It needed a tehelka which measured 10 on the richter scale for the Prime minister to perceive a wake up call. (Though he is still heavy lidded on a drug called Samata ecstasy). The incredible insolence of Mr George Fernandes is only matched with the supine support of a heavy lidded government. How else can one explain the repeated boasts that the system was being ‘cleansed’ by Mr. Fernandes through ‘ grievance boxes’ at the MOD !! With no reference to the main ‘grievance box’ operating from his residence with cash as its currency and Ms. Jaitley the teller. A ‘grievance box’ with avowed intention of ‘fobbing off’ those who approached for redressal after greedily accepting gratification. Ms. Jaitley should be rightfully in Jail with Bangaru Laxman for company! The sheer venality and rapacity of the NDA government and its minions is incredible and for sure unprecedented. As the government has shut off the alarm after the recent wake up call, taken its sleeping pills and gone back to slumber, one hopes that Newspapers and magazines like outlook and asianage will join hands with Tehelka continue to expose this venal government. One hopes that if not an overdose of sleeping pills , continued exposure of this venal government will bring an end to unprecedented venality. |
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Tathagat 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 22 of 78 ) appa DeepO bhava barkaat-e-hukumat-e-gHair engeelisia Ibne Inshaa in 'Urdu's Aakhri kitaab' ISBN : 81-7178-165-9 azizoN, bahut din pehle iss mulk meiN angrezoN ki hukumat hoti thi. ... AzizoN! angarezoN ne kuch achchey kaam bhi kiye they, but they had lotta evils, whoever used to speak or write against the govt. they used to put them behind bars. bribery was rampant... aaj kal nahiN hey... lol... shopkeepers over charged and also adultration... these days no dukaandaar over charge or stockpiled to black market, nor they indulge in adultration. Under the Queen's raaj rich n feudal lords used to have good times and nobody cared for the poor. These days everybody cares for the poor so much that they get sick of it... lol... and ofcourse they don't have good times either... in just of quarter of a century we progressed so much that now we have 18% educated (In India's case read it as literate) people... lol... (today ShakeNow Singhavi rhymed baawazood instead of bawajood... lol... not just him most baboons on telly n big screen sounds semi-literate so effing often that it makes me puke... though tathagat ain't no purist by any chance)... where were we... yeah... insha asks... would this have been possible wid the eenglees at the helm... lol... In the begining Englishmen used to cut the thumbs of our craftsman. Today the owners are our own people and they do not cut the thumb any more, but this is another matter that they sometime cut the craftsmen... |
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Tathagat 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 23 of 78 ) appa DeepO bhava ... and as far as slumber n the ‘grievance boxes’ at the MOD r concerned... here is Inshaa again... rewriting history ... Jehangeer was also famous for his justice beside his wife NoorjahaaN... he ordered a bell in the lawns... but he also had put darbaan n ardalis (securitywallas)... so that no one bangs it... lol... (Arundhati n Medha being harassed by the ugly dishonest dallas of fungus ridden oily kaalaa koaT... lol... and beside this CJ Anand has some land ghapla too.) Jehangir's justice was lessor according to his period... but in English rule... later... it takes so long that parties forgets if survived as to why they are there, contesting in the first place... lol... and if the bell system is applied today... it's a probability that it will be nicked away in no matter of time... Slumber... Jehangir didn't do much in terms of territory expansion programme... he just kept writing Tujuk (it must mean musings... lol)... kept doin' his justice... drinking n looving his babe. Armtwisting n blackmailng tactics.. in the wake of tehelka tapes fallout...: it is a common practice amidst the historian to write history wrongly... it is said... that J killed Sher Afghan... the first husband of Noor JahaaN in order to marry her... yeh gHalat hey... this is wrong... as a matter of fact he asked rather insisted, him not to die... but he wouldn't budge. |
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brigvs 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 24 of 78 ) ROTTEN TO THE CORPS (09 April 2001) I agree with Mr Menon that seeds of corruption were sown about two decades ago and yes, yesterday’s “Generals” (to be read as officers of the rank of Brigadiers and above) are very much to blame. However, what needs to be known is that corruption was introduced and is being actively promoted by most of these officers (not all, but a dangerous 80% of them), who have long stopped differentiating between privileges, perks, unlawful gain and corruption. These General officers with time have become individualistic, selfish, materialistic, corrupt and greedy. They are guided by greed for money in cash or kind, personal benefits and concern for promotion at any cost; the organization may go to dogs. ‘Kargil’ was very much a manifestation of this. Today Ordnance Corps, Army Supply Corps, Corps of Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, Corps of Engineers, Army Medical Corps, Military Engineering Service, Border Roads, Local Audit Officers and other organisations involved with the armed forces are corrupt not just because these Generals have just watched, they have and are still actively promoting corruption. After all a Gen Choudhry or Gen Aluhuwalia or Brig Iqbal Singh with ‘deep pockets’ are not born over night, it is because they have been actively involved in such corrupt practices for a long time right under the noses of their superiors, who also shared a percentage of the booty with them. Yes, there is also no denying that Bofors like deals, corrupt Defence Ministers, Defence Ministry officials and the wave of corruption sweeping the country is also partly instrumentals in promoting corruption in the armed forces. The evil of Corruption has now been deeply embedded into the system thanks to these ‘Generals’ loosely termed as “Freedom fighters” for their insatiable greed to live of the land (meaning free food, lodging and expert manipulation of various funds for personal gains). Various articles have appeared in the print media highlighting such activities; but the powers to be diplomatically chose to ignore them, or issued vague denials. Who! Who! Will clean the system? When, these very “Generals” are actively involved in promoting it. I ALSO THROUGH THIS MEDIUM CHALLENGE THEM TO DENY THESE ALLEGATIONS SO THAT I CAN PRESENT MORE EVIDENCE FOR THE NATION TO KNOW. Brig V Singh (Retd) |
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rav666 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 25 of 78 ) Kudos to you Brig!!!! Pls present your evidence. |
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rajonln 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 26 of 78 ) Corruption in India will it ever end ? No. |
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thetruth 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 27 of 78 ) Tathagat u r full of hatred for BAJPAYEE ... U can hate like hell man .. Did congress stall the parliament for the love of our country ? The answer is a big NO . By not resigning , Bajpayee had done a service to the nation . Otherwise the CHARISMATIC FOOL , THE MONALISA OF ITALY would have become the PM of India .. |
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jriley 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 28 of 78 ) Jayalalitha's bi for power is nothing new in India, nor would it be a surprise almost anywhere that the laws promulgated to prevent this sort of thievery were enforced (the United States, where I live, was no exception for a long time). When India and Indians decided to take their anti-corruption laws (which abound) seriously-when they express their outrage that such a thing should be allowed, and actually do something about it-then the country will have taken a significant step away from the corruption that permeates much of public life in your country. Don't just complain about the problem- stand up and make a stand. We will all be better for it. John Riley |
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jriley 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 29 of 78 ) An addendum to my screed: Will corruption in India ever end? No. It will never end in India, just ass it will never end anywhere, as long as their are those with disproportionate privilege and power. The only way to deal with corruption is to constantly and vigorously challenge and fight it. It will NEVER go away, but we must always confront it and do our best to defeat it (although we cannot accomplish that). Just a thought. John |
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cleo 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 30 of 78 ) One hopes ardently that corruption will end.... but when you watch the antics of the dramatis peronnae ..... .. the 'Honourable' men ... one wonders how long will it take.....till there is a purge.... Mr. Sharad Pawar ... an 'honourable man'... aspiring... 'nationalistic '... 'Indian born' Prime-minister-in- waiting ..... in spite of 'allegations' of corruption and nepotism... having landed MSEB into a royal mess.... now ensures that a well intentioned Godbole steps down rather than 'unravel' the mess !!!! It only takes a George Fernandes another 'honourable man' caught in the 'allegations' of corruption by Vishnu Bhagwat ....to threaten to 'open' the Pandora's Box... 'All defence deals concluded over the last few years'.....blackmail??? ...no way !!!! just unity-of-interest among 'Honourable' men... and you have Sharad Pawar seeing 'reason'.... suddenly .... (not like the 'foreign born' 'novice' in politics ...) ditto... 'Maulana' Mulayam , another 'honourable' man (though a trifle ...Xenophobic... within acceptable sanity parameters) who has fought corruption (FOR or AGAINST being completely irrelevant ... as he is an 'honourable' man) ... discovering the need to keep investigations into corruption into defence deals .. OUT OF BOUNDS... National security and all that... ! Hell ... will corruption end... clearly ..... Not so soon... because there are 'too many Honourable men' around ... PM's in waiting and what have you ( Indian born) for good measure !?? |
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rav666 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 31 of 78 ) cleo, that was an interesting commentary..... We need many more 'spycam soldiers' to bring to book the offenders operating far and wide in this country. Maybe the TV channels can announce contests and award participants who produce the most sensational footage. |
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cleo 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 32 of 78 ) Very well said rav666 ! I agree....! Incidentally tehelka it appears is planning something along these lines....Hopefully this will do something to end brazen corruption ... which is known to eat up a substantial part of plan expenditure. (upto ONE-THIRD of the plan expenditure they say !! during the heyday's)....Not to talk about gratification received from rumplestiltskin for favors done. |
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tathagat 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 33 of 78 ) ... corruption can't end, as long as people either believe that a cow is their mother...lol... or Mom Mary a virgin... lol... U even offer gratification to god(s) n godesses... if that happens anything else can happen... and look how greed n lust for success or fear... the witnesses in key court cases turned hostile... Kutch/ Bhuj to Courts... the real picture of India... O'course there is JJ but... but Kranunidhi seems to have got old grudge... she must have got more moonie than the scriptwriter in their prime... She should have asked somebody else to b'come the CM, after clearing her name she chould have assumed the charge de duty... |
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sreddy 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 34 of 78 ) no, corruption will never end in india for all the tainted have so much more to eat, that they start looking for even flesh and bone of the low rung human(humane) beings in india and feed their belching and hungry families for generations...we educated people have no unison in thought for we still run after these politicians and vote for them.why dont we boycot elections for sometime. now the govt. wants to trim the wings of the cvc, is it fair. i hope like minded people get together and make things better for tomorows generation if not for todays.. |
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thetruth 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 35 of 78 ) ... corruption can't end, as long as people either believe that QURAN is written by God...lol... or Mohammed a prophet... lol... U even offer gratification to jihad(s) n jihadis... if that happens anything else can happen... |
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ap 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 36 of 78 ) Greater economic output Stringent population control and mass education Are the only things that can reduce corruption besides harsh punishments for offenders. |
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de 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 37 of 78 ) It is very difficult to imagine India with out any corruption. Its like there are two sides of the coin and they both go together. The corruption level starts from the higher level and goes till the lower one. The whole society is involved in it, directly or indirectly. We also support Corruption in a way to make things easier for us. Hence, we are also to be blamed in a way for provoking it. Everyone has to step forward and make an effort from his or her side to not to be a part of it. It won't be easy to get rid of this problem over night, it would take years, but then we will have to start now to make our society virtuous. |
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de 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 38 of 78 ) It is very difficult to imagine India with out any corruption. Its like there are two sides of the coin and they both go together. The corruption level starts from the higher level and goes till the lower one. The whole society is involved in it, directly or indirectly. We also support Corruption in a way to make things easier for us. Hence, we are also to be blamed in a way for provoking it. Everyone has to step forward and make an effort from his or her side to not to be a part of it. It won't be easy to get rid of this problem over night, it would take years, but then we will have to start now to make our society virtuous. |
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sss 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 39 of 78 ) no |
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critter 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 40 of 78 ) We should know how america which was 50 years back it was in the same situation came up leaving behind the Corruption. the best way is the political structure has to change for this thing to happen |
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neha 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 41 of 78 ) Well, the next time u cross a red light think before gobbling down the throat, money of that cop, or when ur car is parked in a no parking zone then think before bribing that mcd guy, or for feeding a lineman to get your phone bell ringing...the list goes on. Till the time we INDIANS imbibe this way of thinking in our daily lives and start thinking a little above our own conveiniences and give some little thought to our country then we can begin with any such talks or discussions of "An India without corruption". For to uproot this menace in the slightest of dimensions requires each one of us to behave as a sensible citizen, well we seem to have forgotten of any such term!, but ultimately the solution lies here only. |
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surya 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 42 of 78 ) New forms of corruption in India.Govt we know,but in private sector also.Read some where coke/pepsi are running losses even after selling one of costliest drink(according to world standards) in India.Pharma medicines,biscuits,soaps,soft drinks of reputed companies are sold in duplicate.forged in some states(by some local manufacturers with exact packaging,product of original company).I have been told by some people this soft drink is fake(and it tastes fake) but looks original.Biscuits etc I have been told by local shopkeepers ,that some companies products are forged by local suppliers and sold at less price in their distribution channel.How does a company make sure that spurious products are not being sold under same brand name in their system.Their own executives/officials /distributors might be seeling cheap products/imitates with genuine and putting fake products in system.Margins on fake are good to end sellers.Certain states this rampant,How do companies check that,when even a soft drink bottle causes gas/more thrist in India.I got one imported one,and quality is different.Happens from quite some time.Do CEOs know that.I am sure that bottom people in companies know that. FIND OUT. |
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sss 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 43 of 78 ) Corruption is affecting economic growth.But corruption in China also,but they have succeeded in reforms.Indian market overflooded with Chinese cheap goods.Read,analyse Chinese model ,implement it quickly for India could take lot of MNC jobs(or China has local companies also) ,who look for cheap labour.If globalisation has to occur,India is positioned to do back office processing here like some companies are doing in accounting,finance,customer services,call centres etc.English speaking,cheap labour is advantage.Some parks with global infrastrucutre,one window clearance,low taxes etc.Is it possible?Local economic grwoth is possible if system is streamlined,less taxes,good infrastructure etc,it is all in govt. reports,files. |
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One 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 44 of 78 ) It is a very shameless act to support the so-called NDA or basically BJP. If the BJP wins the next election it shows how STUPID we Indians are. Inspite of all those tapes if this government is existing then I think India is NOT a DEMOCRATIC state. All this only shows the strength in BJP and the weakness in we-poor-citizens.The BJP not only controls the militery and the media but also the minds of a billion Indians. Actually there is no party that has no corrupt people in it but none of them is today as strong as this party is. BJP is really getting DANGEROUS. |
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rameshk 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 45 of 78 ) the corruption will never end. basically we all indian are genetically bastard . everybody came and fucked us. now under swadeshi movement our own people are fucking us. we are physically weak . we cannot win a medal in olympic.we are psychologically slave and timid.there is not single person in indian politics who has genes of patrotism.our country will never improve unless some europian come and fuck us and instill good genes do not forget british left best administrative systen in india . which now totally fucked of.we even canot repair the bridges constructed by them .our govt regularly gets letter from uk to rmind about the repair or demolition of the bridges. |
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rav666 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 46 of 78 ) rameshk, despite the no. of four letter words in your post (such as 'weak', 'gene' etc. ;-)) I fully agree with what you have said. |
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Tathagat 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 47 of 78 ) appa DeepO bhava ...lol... me too. |
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ramu 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 48 of 78 ) some people are born corrupt,some become corrupt and some have corruption forced,thrust on them.so different variety of corruption. |
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surya 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 49 of 78 ) Corruption in world from centuries as evil whom god creates is responsible for evil.To uproot corruption,you have to uproot evil.But god creates millions daily .So not possible to uproot corruption,unless god doesnot create evil(and support them or give power to them).So practical countries live happily in contradictions of life/world not seriously.And fight for own survival,interests.But corruption will stay.Practical rulers can govern,impractical/honest people will lose elections or in power be killed by evil.If you are corrupt,then only can you manipulate/lie to people to make them like and vote for you.Or maybe buy them or fear them or fool them.So practical way is to live in world god creates.And corruption has a big place in it.For according to evil,He likes it and creates born corrupt people to spread corruption. |
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surya 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 50 of 78 ) To uproot corruption you have to hate it.For that people have to know its harmful effects,be honest ,know/read who is corrupt,then fight(or hate corruption).Not possible.For in real life,everyone likes/believes corrupt,rich,people with good people skills.And if corruotion makes me rich,who leaves it.Not majority. |
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sapna 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 51 of 78 ) Being a non-resident Indian, I must say that as far as corruption is concerned, India is in a bad state (like some of the African countries). Instead of blaming the Western world for transmitting what we think are rotten capitalist and individualistic values, we have to accept the fact that even though the world thinks we are a spiritual people and full of traditional values, in reality all we think of is money, money and more money. One simple example: in the country I live in, you cannot imagine bribing a policeman, but in India, we can hardly imagine a policeman not accepting bribes !!! As long as the law-enforcers infringe the law, the fate of poor people hangs in balance !! |
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spirit 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 52 of 78 ) Govt should plug the loopholes and reasons why share scam etc happened.Otherwise,markets could go down because of fear and large market redemtions from UTI.It has already given assurance.But SEBI etc should more use this incident to make laws,set up smart system to avoid rigging,plug loopholes,put honest officers to watch rigging in shares.For most biggest fish are never caught,and buck is passed down.What has happened is past.Confidence in system is important.In shares,lot of variables/volatility in decision are there.But panic will create problems.Govt should restore confidence and put outside experts(retired/honest) to setup recommendations and impelement it.In game of catching,connections matter and lead to no solutions. And mutual fund should be left to private or autonomy management like FI's.Monoploy should be broken slowly.Any monoploy leads to inefficiency. |
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spirit 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 53 of 78 ) UTI a story of corruption.Non regulated,but under finance ministry.But here private sector is same.Top private companies management(majority) also siphon money but make some profits for share holders.NBFCs majority top siphoned money.Closed.UTI now took share at high price,through brokers,now share low.Money gone.Mismanagement/siphoning of resources,but some profits are necessary.Ask some best managed Indian companies. But big fish have eluded the net and are free. |
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kamal 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 54 of 78 ) Corruption will end, if the following happens. 1. Majority of the population should become middle class family. say around 80 %. Rest can be too rich or poor. 2. 100 % educated people. 3. Every body should have purchasing power to meet their daily requirements. That's it. |
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divya78 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 55 of 78 ) The question "corruption in india will it ever end" my answer will be no. I am saying boldly "no" because ,for the country to be noncorrupted we need to have good politicians but according to me the politicians themselves are corrupted.Most of them are bothered only of their seat.They are not bothered of improving india they are bothered in improving their house and their family.They don't fight for our rights they fight only with their opposition leaders.Only if all parties join together and think about the issues seriosly the problems will be solved. It's not only politicians who are responsible for the corruption in India,The entire nation is responsible.So all the people of india need to get educated.And vote the right person as our leader not the one who will promise to give clothes and beer bottles to drink during election but the one who is capable of making India The peacefull country what we all dream of. |
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00001354 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 56 of 78 ) I think there are chances of corruption ending in India. The fact that recent episodes of corruption were exposed shows that if there is a free press which does investigative reporting, corruption can be brought to light and this should deter further corruption. Apart from the free press, communities at local levels have to organize and keep a watch on the activities of government officials. It is true that corruption is very pervasive in India and the government bureaucracy is very much a part of it. Hence we can not depend on the government to root it out. But watchful civic groups and organizations can play a large role in reducing the extent of corruption. If it is a consolation at all, corruption is pervasive in all the developing countries. This certainly does not justify it. But it does explain that it is a widespread phenomenon and the society must provide for more transparency of transactions in order to deal with it. |
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anand_it 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 57 of 78 ) I think there is no social problem in the world which can't be solved. But it is not the major question whether curruption can be eradicated from India or not,the big question on which we should discuss is how it can be eradicated.In my view India needs a government with enormous will power,which really wants to bring change.Unfortunately we've not found a government like this so far.so this is one requirement,other equally important requirement is that we the citizen of India should identify it as a severe problemalways keep discussing among ourselves about the possible and practical solution tothis problem which has become hindrence in our contry's developement.We should support and not discourage the people who are doing something in this regard.Only then we can hope to solve this problem |
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ssss 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 58 of 78 ) Response On Article of Mr shourie on rediff.com What Mr Shourie is saying is truth and perhaps a sincere person in govt.But problem is as follows: 1) Public sector is very big in India and politicians/bureucrats even if they make 20-30% per year,and have a fiefdom it is enormous,so they are acting smart in delaying decisions and debating for no one wants to lose power/money.In China,few people at top and they make money through liberalisation(MNCs) and working.Here they make money through public sector. 2) Even if you divest and raise money through share,problem not solved.Even in best profitable private companies corrupt management at top siphons crores ,but show profit.Means govt.,private we need people at top who donot siphon money(or make money at 5%,but work and give profits,here they just make too much money and donot want to work.Like make a pond and fill it,or make a road going no where and break it.) .Through capital market public sector could retire debt,raise money and but people at top will siphon it also.Public sector has to become profitable.Solution is professional management with accountabily to small share holders.Private monoply bad.But why will govt rulers leave money generating machines for them even if they eat public resources. 3)Public sector has a big role in infrsatrcuture areas where huge resources needed. 4)So public money comes in overinflated public sector projects and then to swiss banks. 5)Air India planes wing shake and I got answer why.Indian airlines planes wings shake more vigorously. 6) Basic cost of living which is going high is because of fiscal mismanagement of govt only. System/people moral reforms more important,otherwise divestment money will also find way to swiss banks.But why is govt not raising more money(to siphon) ,may be loans forthcoming or more transperency problems. And he is right this is most important issue.Companies fail because of inefficient corrupt management and financial mismanagement.Same for countries.And public sector salaries are increasing more,and private salaries are falling adjusted vis a vis inflation,for public sector.govt 2 sources of income,but govt/public gets housing etc and today are getting better salaries if take all benefits. |
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ssss 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 59 of 78 ) We have politicians at top worth Rs 2000-3000 crores and IAS etc worth Rs 10-50 cr(richest polictican/govt professionals of world). They make money through business of govt through public sector.But few minority honest also in govt.Sufferer common man through high indirect taxes as petrol,gas,electricity etc high.Basic cost high,but crorepatis rulers will not feel that.Now disturbing fact is that majority of bureaucrats(IAS aspirants)/politicians join for doing business in govt.So if public sector reform etc happen,it will be a miracle.But corruption/public sector highly linked.Read in a very old issue of India today that 70%-80% of Indian assets are with govt/public sector which is run inefficiently through debt (internal/external)and raising resources through high indirect taxes through govt run monopolies/fiefdoms of policticians/bureaucrats.A book had mentioned efficiency of Indian private sector was balancing govt mismangement previously else India could go russia way.But now Indian private sector monopolies seems to become like govt run only .And threats of globalisation etc and then govt has to give infrastructure/environment to private to succesd,for we have lot of entrepreneurs also. |
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ssss 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 60 of 78 ) Not only mis management of public sector,but mis management of law/order is also a concern.Drugs/law/order problems are increasing daily.Rape laws etc were debated but not not changed.Laws exist,but have a price.India sex industry,drug industry is very large by a US survey.Trafficking of women from across borders using India as transit is large.Terrorist activities have increased in some states.No reforms in law/order and judicial system.Police is also rich.ilegal liquor,matka(desi casinos ) thrive.And we get driving license without driving so that we can learn driving on roads. Mafia has become stronger.Why? Cannot dynamic home (hawk according to neighbour) do something. |
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root_ash 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 61 of 78 ) How about making corruption legal in India?? |
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spirit 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 62 of 78 ) Is Indian private sector going to be sick.Article of tata finance ltd (where company lost hundreds of crores due to MD)showed the importance of ethics in management of a company.Also it shows that no balance sheet analysis and may be inside information can tell about financial future of a company.Also investment in subsidiaries can be bad.Lot of Indian manufacturing companies are also corrupt,but on sly.In finance companies,graft leads to closing of companies.In manufacturing monopolies/brands,profits come yearly and slow siphoning in terms of investments in subsidiaries is not easy to detect,but it eats into strength of company.Meaning when people down know siphoining culture,one dynamic,smooth talking,smart unethical executive(whohas been maybe ethical all life) can fail company in a year and run off or give other reason for failures(may be that is why a lot of fortune 500 companies close in every 10 years/global phenomenon).So ethics is important,which is in very few Indian companies.This is one major reason why indian private sector is going sick/and defaults are increasing and no one can say where private sector will be from years now,not to mention few stories of successes everynow and then. Most of companies have a culture of politicking,graft,lackeyness,power politics and innovation/creativity is stifled and lot of times seen anit management.In company sucess is dependent on management team and failure on management/financial mismanagement. |
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praveen2 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 63 of 78 ) Hi, spirit.What yousay is right.Companies like jvg finance,CRB finance,ITC Classic finance,kuber finance and many other finance companies closed down because of corruption at top and mis management of funds.Some companies have given some funds back to people and some not. Some ate money through share deals at high prices and some took deposits at high prices only to close down later. |
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jaimini 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 64 of 78 ) jaimini ram To understand corruption you need to ask WHY. Why is there corruption? If you were a lower middle class guy in the govt WHY would you need to take bribes ? 1) Is the salary enough? To buy a colourTV in US, you need 200$. Thats peanuts even for a cleaner in US, in India it takes more than that. Surely the salary itself doesnt suffice. 2) More important, the society is such..imagine this same guy with 2 daughters he needs to get married off.. a decent marriage without dowry costs 4 lakhs.. where is the money going to come from ? So as far as "low level" corruption is concerned, its basic necessities. It is not greed. The need is to remove these causes of corruption. This is like the father stealing a loaf of bread for his children, and then sending him to jail for it. What is really despicable is the "high level" corruption, that is, by people who already have sufficient money and still are greedy. It appears more in India because of the large population. Population by itself is a primary cause.Reduce population by half, the corruption will fall down drastically too. |
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susat 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 65 of 78 ) No it will never end! It runs in our blood. |
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chutiya 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 66 of 78 ) It is not the blood which is bad, but it is the thinking of certain rutched individuals like Atal, Advani, George, Paswan, Sharad, Sarfaraz (or whatever his real name)which is causing great unimaginable problems in fighting the evil of corruption. The attitude of Atal for keeping George, a corrupt old socialist having lot of sex with Ms. Jaitly, in the government shows the bankruptcy of the people at the helm of the affair. These old Informers of English rulers, & Pakistani sindhi settlers in India have a design to ruin India. |
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vishag 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 67 of 78 ) CORRUPTION in India is now DEEP ROOTED. It has the acceptance of overwhelming majority of Indians. Honest Indians are in such a miniscule minority , that they should be given the status of " endangered species" and protected by a massive international effort. Within India situation is ABSOLUTELY HOPELESS. Every right minded Indian is today ashamed to be an Indian. |
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vishag 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 68 of 78 ) As we Indians say , in India we have " VIVIDHTAA MEN EKTAA" CORRUPTION is the ektaa, the greatest binding force ;which binds this great country. Corruption is Indian way of Unity -- in diversities like religion , casts , languages ,regions and states atmosphere . |
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joy 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 69 of 78 ) Yaar, corruption is there in any country, even the USA . The difference is that in the USA it is confined to high-levels like city councils, large corporate donations to political parties to gain favorable legislation etc. On the other hand, corruption in India is endemic and we have to face it even in daily life. Yaar, corruption is part of life.People in power will usually use their power to obtain personal gains to the extent the system allows. The difference is that when there is corruption only 10 percent of the time, things seem okay. When it is 50 percent of the time, the system has broken down. Corruption is not unique to India. Nor is the total amount of money involved in corrupt deals more than in a country like say USA. But it touches every aspect of life. |
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rajivX1 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 70 of 78 ) This might sound a bit pro-white but that is a fact which all Indians should understand before real progress can be made in our country. The fact is that all countries dominated by white people are developed countries whereas all other countries have not been able to achieve the same status leave a few examples like Japan and South Korea. What is the reason behind this simple fact? Does white colour make them more intelligent or more committed to their country's cause? Why don't people from India take pride in the country. Everybody is over critical of the things happening in India from a discussion point of view whereas the same people will play a different tune when things come to their head. Why don't people in India have collective social responsibility. The people think that once they have elected their local representatives for their area their responsibilities are over and now it is the onus of the elected representative to get things done. Why don't the people understand that the same authority can be used with more effect if only all people make an effort to put in some time of their own also to make our country a better place to live. After what happened in America on 9/11 the whole country resolved to keep working and did not leave their offices because they wanted to show the world that they are not overwhelmed to an extent where they will let the terrorists succeed in their plans of bringing the whole economy to a standstill. Consider the same scenario in India. A riot of people in a remote area of India will bring the whole country to a standstill. People could have worked an extra day and contribute whatever they earned for the relief of the victims, but no, they want a day off and are in no way concerned with what happened in Godhra. People take fun out of such situations. If they are so concerned then why don't they put in extra efforts at their level to prevent such a thing to happen in their area. If people from all areas develop this mentality then such a thing will never happen anywhere. This would seem like a difficult thing to achieve but no good thing is easy to achieve in life. People in developed countries are made to do community service at least once a year whereas people in our country are so preoccupied with their own problems that they think that all this is a waste of time. Why don't they understand that if the root cause is eliminated most of the things keeping Indians from performing to their full potential will no longer exist. |
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Karapall 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 71 of 78 ) As Rajiv says, there is ABSOLUTELY NO collective social responsibility in India. Your neighbour is digging an illegal ditch in the road, hey that is someone else'sproblem.After all the main law breakers in India are most of the MPs and MLAs, who are supposed to be framing laws. In developed countris, citizens would insist that only people whounder stand law(i.e.lawyers) must be allowed to modify it.Instead we have high- school dropout snot bags like Mulayam Singh Yadav and Sonia Gandhi among countless other politicians who are ignorant of the law. Common Indian citizens such as the bone heads who visit this forum can not distinguish between desi dork media's commie propaganda and facts that can beverified from multiple sources. The only hope is to allow foreign media to wipe the floor with the assholes in Indian media; after all they cant be any worse than the incompetent boobs who claim to be journalists in India. Joy the cretin should pay attention to the like sof rajivX1. The point is not whether corruption exists in India, but whether it affects the day today life of the commonman. In the US, the commonmanis never directly affected by corruption, i.e., he will never have to pay a bribe to receive govt. services which are supposed to be free to tax payers. As Rajiv says, there is ABSOLUTELY NO collective social responsibility in India. Your neighbour is digging an illegal ditch in the road, hey that is some one else's problem. After all the main law breakers in India are most of the MPs and MLAs, who are supposed to be framing laws. Indeveloped countries,citizens would insist that only people who understand law (i.e.lawyers) must be allowed to modify it. Instead we have high-school drop outs not bags like Mulayam Singh Yadav and Sonia Gandhi among count less other politicians who are ignorant of the law. Common Indian citizens such as the bone heads who visit this forum can not distinguish between desi dork media' scommie propaganda and facts that can be verified from multiple sources. The only hope is to allow foreign media to wipe the floor with the assholes in Indian media; after all they cant be any worse than the incompetent boobs who claim to be journalists in India. |
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mind 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 72 of 78 ) call that stupid luwmann to come and give his comments |
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GAYATHRI 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 73 of 78 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm Corruption is a problem with all nations.Only the degree varies. But it is definitely one of the serious problems in India. Effective legal system can be the only deterrent. "Bofors" is still dragging... |
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vaasur 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 74 of 78 ) Give the police full authority and link it with commensurate accountability.Here,In India, the Police in a State is an extended arm of the Party in Power.These politicians have Vendatta as their first promise to fulfil when they gain or regain power.,using the Police and their hen pecked officers.Only when the Police force becomes Strong,these corruption politics will end.Politicians and their goondas are all powerful here.Police is strong only in certain pockets of each state.Link Police with the Army and centralise it.No transfer for any senior police officer at the behest of ruling party.or politicians of the land.then we may see some downturn on corruption. |
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sanjayin 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 75 of 78 ) as long as party president taking bribe is let free;and persons exposing that getting their offices raided |
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GAYATHRI 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 76 of 78 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm http://www.indian-express.com/full_story.php?conte nt_id=6694 |
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Karapall 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 77 of 78 ) sanjayin: Let these tehelka turds get some journalistic integrity first, before they complain about lack of integrity among the ruling politicians. It is very clear that the assholes in Tehelka are no angels. They have very low journalistic credibility, especially after the most recent news about a tehelka journalist who PAID MONEY TO GET AN ENDANGERED SPECIES killed. The WORST PART IS: the story the tehelka asshole was working on was on "THE NEGLIGENCE OF THE INDIAN GOVT. WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING ENDANGERED SPECIES". Essentially, tehelka wants to commit a crime prohibited by Indian law, and then use that as a "journalist expose" to prove the incompetence of the Indian govt. Given that there are a million other ways to expose the corruption and inefficiencies of the govt., the real question is "why do these people believe that they need to lie and "create" news, unless they have their mind on sensational reporting with the intent of making money. If this is the level of ethics of tehelka, then I dont buy any of their holier-than-thou crap about corruption in the govt. |
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danui 3/15/2001 7:40:03 PM ( 78 of 78 ) well anybody can buy anyone with money is true but where's the money? |
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