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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 1 of 96 ) journalists! |
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Tathagat 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 2 of 96 ) appa DeepO bhava Springtime For Goebbels : Satire by Robert W. McChesney @ Zmag Remove %20 from the URL FREE PRESS FOR SALE: How Corporations have Bought the First Amendment. : The following excerpts are from an interview with Robert McChesney that appears in its entirety in the September 2000 issue of The Sun magazine. /vivoysano.com McChesney is a professor at the Institute of Communications Research at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and is the author of several books concerned with what he calls "the contradiction between a for-profit, highly concentrated, advertising-saturated, corporate media system and the communications requirements of a democratic society." Corporate Clampdown By Grant Buckler Oct. 4, 2002 The Myth of a Free Press By Alexander M. Dake Public Interest Reporting on the PR/Public Affairs Industry : Archives Media Law : What is Reasonable? : The role of the journalist as expert witness |
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Tathagat 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 3 of 96 ) appa DeepO bhava Broadcast Education Association's Selected Useful Web Sites BookWatch Issues in Media & Journalism JOSEPHSON INSTITUTE OF ETHICS SPJ Code of Ethics : PreambleBookWatch Issues in Media & Journalism [Attn: vernacular media translate it... expand on it...] Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist's credibility. Members of the Society share a dedication to ethical behavior and adopt this code to declare the Society's principles and standards of practice. building democracy, free press Coratia model Ethics code 4 Associated Press Managing Editors [i wonder if Outlook, NDTV or even UNI, PTI have one such written set...] US Govt.'s Media Ethics [pdf] New journalism ethics fund honors Free Press publisher : The School of Journalism has established the Neal Shine Fund for Ethics in Journalism. OTHER JOURNALISM ORGANIZATIONS DEALING WITH ETHICS /rtnda.org CODE OF ETHICS OF THE NORWEGIAN PRESS /uta.fi Web Resources for Studying Journalism Ethics University of Hawai'i WPI Media Ethics |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 4 of 96 ) Realize that there are two faces of Indian Journalism, one the so called cosmopolitan English newspapers and magazines; the second the regional language press. It is extraordinary that the regional press inspite of less resources seems to be miles ahead of the English press in terms of editorial content, honesty, fearlessness and what have you. The English language press seems to carry a chip on its shoulder, they must prove that they are liberal and secular. The easiest and the SAFEST way to do this is to scream bloody murder at BT,VHP,RSS,BD etc.It would be risky to speak the truth about Jehadis. Coming to the pseudo-secular pimps and whores enough has been said.The infiltration of anti-National element here should really be investigated by the CBI,wonder what may emerge. Note that the English press during the Raj was essentially pro British. |
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indtruth 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 5 of 96 ) MOST of the Media is under CIA and western agencies PAYROLL. Even there are many Politician who get their salaries from foreign govt. So, if Hindus are wondering "What's going on?" then They shouldn;t be wondering anymore. They are screwed for being poor and insenstive to the social order and lack for knowledge about Pshychological warfare and tacts and means used to propagate culural imperialism with the help of anti India journalist who attack majority in the name of dalits brothers and devil worshipper. |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 6 of 96 ) Hahaha, CIA payroll, hahahhaha!!!!! These delusioned Sanghis are on LSD!!! There is a cananrd being spread for all you so called English speaking crowd, that your views are fringe, that english papers are insignifican. WRONG. Local Language papers can be even more critical of the Sangh that Eng. Papers. Yes there are Sanghi rags but they are PRIMARILY IN THE COWBELT. Eastern and Southern papers are quite responisble and visionary. |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 7 of 96 ) The Sanghi tactic is to generate a strategic lie, then get it repeated by its minnows in every forum. Its bull shit. Now you will see a barrage of nonsense to try and cover this comment. I aint bothering because the point is simple. This divide between English papers and vernacular on the lines of pro and anti Sanghi is Bullshit. Period. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 8 of 96 ) "Eastern and Southern papers are quite responisble and visionary" Like the marxist shitpiece "Frontline" or "The Hindu"? (notwithstanding its title, this paper will put a hard core islamic publication to shame when it comes to hindu bashing!) Or the islamic publication "The Asian Age" or the "Deccan chronicle"? |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 9 of 96 ) Note the tactic: here he is trying to deflect the focus from vernacular papers like Dinamani, Mathrubhumi, Mnoram, Dina tanthi, Eenadu's publications, Udayavani etc. |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 10 of 96 ) There is a cananrd being spread for all you so called English speaking crowd, that your views are fringe, that english papers are insignifican. WRONG. Local Language papers can be even more critical of the Sangh that Eng. Papers. Yes there are Sanghi rags but they are PRIMARILY IN THE COWBELT. Eastern and Southern papers are quite responisble and visionary |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 11 of 96 ) "Local Language papers can be even more critical of the Sangh that Eng. Papers" There the fucker exposes his intent. So note it folks, the criteria for deciding whether any newspaper is good or bad is simple - If it attacks BJP/RSS/VHP/BD et al and denigrates anything and everything connected to hindus and hinduism, it is a good newspaper. Facts or issues do not count (they can be distorted anyway) Any newspaper not conforming to the above 'standards' is bad. period. This is the mentality with which the marxists have ruled the roost over the last 5 decades. And are today fighting for their very survival. How long can you live on lies? |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 12 of 96 ) Journalists are more interested in winning awards and making money. Both they can conveniently achieve being bitterly anti-hindu and pro-muslim. Blaming Hindus even for Godhra massacre was the result of such tendencies. |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 13 of 96 ) "If it attacks BJP/RSS/VHP/BD et al and denigrates anything and everything connected to hindus and hinduism" err this is an oxymoron. If you are sincerely attacking the Sanghi, then I would think you are a good Hindu. What the sang stands for is a antitesis of Hinduism.. So how in the world can any one attack the Sang and Hindus at the same time????? |
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dinipc 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 14 of 96 ) Gandalf: "What the sang stands for is a antitesis of Hinduism" Gandalf, a practising christian, will now decide for us Hindus who stands for our religion and who doesnt! Vikram-ji, great job in post # 11, taking him off-guard and exposing his ugly designs. Gandalf: "err this is an oxymoron" Here, he's looking for cover, to wriggle himself out of his own sub-conscious admissions. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 15 of 96 ) You trip again bum. Check out what you wrote in the thread on ‘Lynching of Dalits'gandalf 11/19/2002 1:55:56 PM (#460) "I am more convinced that Mainstream Hinduism is as lowdown and facist as any other. Just look at its adherents." That exposes your hatred for the religion Hinduism, its followers hindus, and hindu organizations that profess to further / protect hindu interests. Now your msg 13: "So how in the world can any one attack the Sang and Hindus at the same time?????" Fucker, you foul mouth hinduism, its followers hindus and the sangh in one thread and in this thread you put up a fucking doll face as if you love hinduism and hindus. Fucker, people see all this and can make out what you really are - a hate manufacturing, bigoted, hypocritical and separatist ogre. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 16 of 96 ) "What the sang stands for is a antitesis of Hinduism" This is the primary weapon that the marxists and fucking historians use against the hindus. The marxists take upon the onerous task of telling the hindus - We are your real protectors, We know what your ancestors were and what your civilisation was (or was not), We know your history and we will write your history and you have to believe and follow it, We know what is good for you and what is not. You have to listen to us and no one else. If you refuse, then we will brand you a communalist, fascist, sanghi et al. coz we know everything and you know nothing! You see how easy they have made life for us? Gimme a break man! |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 17 of 96 ) Nice to see you are following my posts with bated breadth belted baboons. But you still have not proved the oxymoron wrong. You are right that I talked about the adherents of Hinduism but it was a direct response to a dyed in the wool, braminical jingoistic Hindu. It would be the same if I wrote that against a Muslim or Christian fanatic. But the fact remains, neither the Sanghis not the Communists not the whatever stand for Hindus. As with religious fanatics everywhere, you shove you unwanted protection down the throats of normal people. Like all politicians, you creat a fear psychosis and then come down as saviours. Who the hell wants your bullshit protection ... Begone, belted baboons! |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 18 of 96 ) World War II killed 20 million or more Russians, they did not depend on or put trust in the Asiatic Muslim Nationalities to fight "The Great Patriotic War"(wise readers pls note the word Patriotic by those who sing the 'Internationale'). Great sacrifice by any standards. But, but remember Stalin's purges killed nearly the same number of Russians, Ukranians, dissidents and others in the years leading to the war.Let us not even talk about the millions who rotted in the Siberian Gulags .No exact figures are available.Is this the Marxist paradise, Gandalf, you hatefilled ,harebrained imbecile? Or are you waiting to put us in corrective labor camps? |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 19 of 96 ) And Gandu, how many died in Mao's paradise in all the glorious revolutions that followed each other. And WHAT ABOUT TIBET? |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 20 of 96 ) True, many marxist countries became dictatorial. But the way I see it, its the news ideology in town buildt on some very sensible concepts. It will take centuries to iron it out but concern for the working class, the debunking of religions are ideas that will never die. I am not a marxist but trully respect the good parts of its ideology. If you call me a Marxist, I am only honoured! |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 21 of 96 ) Getting back to the topic, the problesm with journalism are many. Journalist do not have strong independent institution where they can build character. The additional opportunities to make maney eg. column writing, books etc are not as renumerative as in the West There is no institutional protection for journalist who taken corruption, evil organisation like the Sangh, terrorists, Business men etc. So after this sieve is used, one finds a handful of people who have the character and will power to do a decent job. |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 22 of 96 ) Indian journalists should support Indian cause. There are lots to learn from American media. They behaved explarily after WTC attack. We saw how how CNN was endorsing the American cause. That is the spirit of great nations like USA , CHINA , RUSSIA . They have proved time and again they are always ready to kill their enemies. That is exactly the reasons why they are respected and feared world wide. Nobody dare to help the terrorists against China or Russia. China and Russia will kill not only the terrorists but also its supporters. Nobody can even imagine a Dawood or Abu Salem in Chinese context. China possess the necessary wepaons , but it is always willing to use them. They don't imprison the terrorists , they just hang them. That is the spirit. We Indian should always prepare to kill our enemies. Killing for the nation is always good and this a must. We Indian started to forgive our enemies 1000 years back. Prithviraj Chauhan began the trend and we are still following it. We should always remember Enemies are to be killed . Whenever a terrorist killed in Kashmir , I always feel happier. There are some deep-rooted cause why some Indian journalists are so much anti-India and why the more they become anti-India the more they are hailed as liberals. This is in our genes to betray our own people . Ghauri was help by King Jaychand agaist Prithviraj. Ghuari rewarded Jaychand by killing him. That betrayl still continues and foreigners are taking full advantage of it. 2nd Indians won't see the suffering of their own people. They will see only the happenings in Palestine or Bosnia. Kashmir is a far larger tragedy than Bosnia , but as the sufferers are HINDUS , nobody is there to pay any attention. At least 70000 Hindus are killed by Islamic terrorists in Kashmir. Narendra Modi is nothing in compared to Mufti Md Syeed who is "popularly" known as butcher of Kashmir. No wonder this butcher is so much loved by INDIAN SECULAR INTELLECTUALS AND JOURNALISTS ! |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 23 of 96 ) "You are right that I talked about the adherents of Hinduism but it was a direct response to a dyed in the wool, braminical jingoistic Hindu" "I agree that I said that but why I said was due to the brahminical conspiracy that is rickety rickety rack........" "The reason behind saying exactly the opposite again was for maintaining political correctiveness and blah blah blah......." Go man, I give you safe passage. |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 24 of 96 ) When somebody doesn't hit back even when he is hit repeatedly , then it is a tendency of all to hit that men for fun or any other reason. That is exactly what is happening to India and especially to the Hindus. Pakistani dogs are biting us and we are not prepared to shoot the dogs. The media can see all the evils with Hinduism and remain conveniently blind with respect to Islam. Fact is Islam is far more oppressive then Hinduism. What Islam has done to Parsis in Iran and Jews in Medina is worse tragedy than the Holocaust. Moslem hatred has no equal. Their hate for Jews is simply legendary. Every Friday after namaj they shout death to jews. Slaughter of innocents is planned in mosques. Other people ask God's favour when they pray. Muslims have their own way , they pray for destruction of non-moslems. No religion is perfect and Islam is the most imperfect one. I have no problems against moslems. But I cannot forget what they have done to Hindus in last 1000 years and how they divided India. They are still continuing to "bleed India with 1000 cuts". Dividing India they could get two hells called Bangladesh and Pakistan. But the hells are more favorable to them as they can carry out Auspicious massacre of Hindus and Sikhs without any interference. They follow a simple formula:::::: Invade a small territory, kill all the non-moslems there. Then take away another pice of land and reenact the Massacre. This vicious cycle continues. They started the process in Afghanistan. After succesfully slaughtering all Hindus and Sikhs therein , they proceeded to the place which is Pakistan today. After independence they divided India. First task of the nation of Pakistan was to massacre all Hindu and Sikhs. All the Pakistanis including its intellectuals , army , the police and the media unitedly took part in yet another Islamic slaughter of Hindus and Sikhs. Pakistani media tried hard to ensure that the world will not know about the carnage. Yet the news of Holocaust reached India. Indian media behaved in the most surprising way. They will only report the Killings of moslems by Hindus and Sikhs. Though the ratio of moslems to Sikh and Hindu killed was nearly 1 : 1000 , Indian media was unmoved and it pleased Pakistani eastablishment , they praised Indians. Congress leaders like Gandhi and Nehru decided that secularism means anti-Hinduism , Massacres of crores of Hindus and Sikhs are actually a SECULAR ACT. This brand of secularism is parctised till today IN iNDIA. |
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indtruth 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 25 of 96 ) "Eastern and Southern papers are quite responisble and visionary" Estern has Communist West Bengal and Southern has Communist Kerala. Boths economy is going down the toilet. Congress and commis 50 yrs of rule has created media which is hostile to majority and support terrorist in minority group. Hiding and abetting terrorism is a crime and thats what media is doing. These JNU product have become so blind that moment foreign media are invited to India. These so called media will get closed as marketing Savvy foreign media will support majority because that makes business sense. |
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indtruth 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 26 of 96 ) Islam have lots of hate against Jews. But it was western Christian with their FATHERs in vatican slaughtered Jews. Many Jews were made to work in churches as slaves. Christian also led four crusades in which they not only killed Jews but they slaughtered moslem in such a number that a Hindu will puke. Ony when SALADIN kicked their christian asses then only they started hiding in their closet. |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 27 of 96 ) Does anyone know that Saladin had Indian physicians, astronomers and astrologers with him.The Indian physicians carried bread mould which was a great antiseptic and antibacterial. Much much later, bread mould was refined in England to become penicillin!!! |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 28 of 96 ) Indtruth and Sinbad.. its good that yuo guys are in tandem. I guess if we add up your IQ, it may become something respectable. So what are you says, Because the Germans were Christians it was the 'Fathers" that killed the Jews! It is immposible for slimy Hindutvadis to dissociate a religion from politics. Because without the religious bulwark you are nothing. The Pencilling part is even more desparate.. Do you now that wiping your cutlery with breadmouolds was traditional in Russia at the turn of the millenium. It took an Englishman to turn that into somthing that can be used by the masses. |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 29 of 96 ) Gandalf Khan, The slaughter of the Jews in Europe went on forever until the end of world warII, the crusaders destroyed Jewish homes and lives with a ferocity unheard of before as they marched on to destroy the Muslims. The inquisitions have been documented far too well.The Christian Kings were never well disposed towards the Jews. Read Walter Scot'sIvanhoe to get an idea as to what happened in England during the time of the crusades. It is too much to hope that you would know too much about Paul who mass marketed Christianity by turning Jesus's happy tidings inti threatening tidings. "If you do not believe in our Lord Jesus, you are doomed." |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 30 of 96 ) Gandalf Khan, The slaughter of the Jews in Europe went on forever until the end of world warII, the crusaders destroyed Jewish homes and lives with a ferocity unheard of before as they marched on to destroy the Muslims. The inquisitions have been documented far too well.The Christian Kings were never well disposed towards the Jews. Read Walter Scot'sIvanhoe to get an idea as to what happened in England during the time of the crusades. It is too much to hope that you would know too much about Paul who mass marketed Christianity by turning Jesus's happy tidings inti threatening tidings. "If you do not believe in our Lord Jesus, you are doomed." |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 31 of 96 ) The self styled St. Paul , born as a Jew Saul, was a vicious person. He started proselytizing in earnest and could be said to be among the earliest anti-Semitic. |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 32 of 96 ) Gandalf Khan,you imbecile. So you see, all proselytizing faiths use terror and fear to convert. Only believers have hope, the rest will be tortured in hell.This is known as negative reinforcement. Now both the proselytizers cannot be right.Each one of them is exclusionary of the other and the rest.A little problem here. Vedantic beliefs use positive reinforcement and are non-exclusionary . If your action is good, your next life is better.There is no question of believing some self proclaimed saint or charlatan or whatever, one trusts one's reason. But this is too abstruse for an idiot like you. |
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Karapall 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 33 of 96 ) Gandalf: "There is a cananrd being spread for all you so called English speaking crowd, that your views are fringe, that english papers are insignifican. WRONG." Getting nervous now that the truth about you english-speaking pseudo-secular motherfuckers is getting out, and more and more people are finding the attitude of you pseudo-secular shitheads towards India more and more despicable. A prime example is this marxist worm Praful Bidwai WHO IS STILL pretending to have a lot of evidence that the people who were killed were innocent Indians, EVEN AFTER THE IDENTITY CARDS OF THESE TERRORISTS HAVE BEEN MADE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, INCLUDING THEIR NAMES AND PLACE OF ORIGIN IN PAKISTAN. Add to that, yesterday's news that three terrorists were planning to create a massacre at a public fair. If my family were to be harmed by terrorists because shitheads like Praful Bidwai tied the hands of the police, I will personally make sure that this lying piece of human garbage Praful Bidwai does not remain a nuisance to the public interest. |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 34 of 96 ) Karapall: Yeah, sure! Terrorist would carry ID cards etc.. How stupid can you get! The Fool, talking about the crusades, the Jews were chased out of Palestine by the Muslims well before the crusades, Ivanhoe was set in the 10 centure, when we were pouring lead in Sudras eyes.. Till now Hinduisms skeletons have not been publicised, because no one really cared about India etc. The good thing about the Sang is that its slowly turning the eyes of the world to India. I find that to be only good! |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 35 of 96 ) Sinbad or whoever : The Jews were actually uprooted from palestine around 586 BC and were permenantly uprooted (till 1948) in AD 135 by the Romans , who by the way were feeding Christians to lions if you remember. Secondly, the world lives in 2002, ok, just becaue the only hint of respectability you ilk have is in some unsubstantiated bullshit in the past, dont drag everyone else there |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 36 of 96 ) Not that the actions of a few europeans matter, but please do not majke up stories :-) |
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Karapall 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 37 of 96 ) Gandalf: "Yeah, sure! Terrorist would carry ID cards etc.. How stupid can you get!" That is exactly the reaction the pakis expect. First of all, paki terrorists have ALWAYS been carrying ID cards; they did not start doing that in Ansal bhavan. I have personally seen a huge stack of them collected by the Indian army. If you paid attention to the news, you would have known all this...but that would be too much to expect from a marxist shithead. |
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Karapall 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 38 of 96 ) http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?conten t_id=13326 Note that this cretin Ratna Rajaiah talks about the tolerance of hinduism in the mysore maharaja's kingdom, and then goes on to claim that IT IS THE HINDUS who need to learn about tolerance from this. This cretinous piece of shit apparently thinks that these lessons dont apply to Indian muslims and christians. In fact, a reasonable person who have stated that given the tolerance exhibited by hindus towards muslims for centuries, muslims should be sensitive to the religious sentiments of hindus in a reciprocatory way. This pseudo-secular piece of shit Ratna Rajaiah should take a few lessons in elementary logic before she exposes her ignorance in public view. |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 39 of 96 ) Gandalf, you idiot and liar, The crusaders marched all the way from France and England to Palestine butchering Jews in Europe on the way including East Europe.I was talking about Europe, you imbecile.And who were the victims of the Inquisition? That you are uneducated is not my problem. |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 40 of 96 ) Gandalf the arch idiot, Your note #29 reads as if the Nazis were the only ones who committed atrocities in Jews.No the answer is Jews in Europe have been persecuted at least since the times of the Crusades. Ivanho is about a young Saxon knight who returns from the crusades and is greatly helped by a Jewish girl Rebecca whose champion he becomes to save her from being burnt alive as a witch by the knight templars who were CHRISTIAN KNIGHTS.The templers in turn were out by a scheming Pope two hundred years later as they reportedly possessed some secret about the alleged crucifixion of Jesus. But your ignorance knows no depth.And since you make up stories about Dalits does not mean others are not wll educated. |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 41 of 96 ) Sinbad.. if your education is confined to kids books that you so lionize then there is nothing I can do too... The point is mankind has had a history of inequities, but certain societies have evolved. Some still look at monkeys as their role models. |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 42 of 96 ) To the people(specifically the US residents) who believe that the way forward for India is secularism: US is full of Automatons who are pawns in the hands of the RSS, peddling a hoary past and a facist ideology. Its always tempting for 1st generation immigrants. I urge the few of you who are secular and working in US companies to 1. Ask your companies whether they are donating mony to Indian charities. 2. Analyse the list and see if they are to the Sangh sponsored organisations 3. If so write to them about the atrocities being commited. Write to them about the modus operandi of a group that is far more subtle than one can imagine. Do not get caught in the trap of believing that opposing the Sangh is anti-national. It is not!. Lastly, if there are contributions to religious organisations from your religions (if you are a minority) then ask them the stop that too. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 43 of 96 ) "US is full of Automatons who are pawns in the hands of the RSS, peddling a hoary past and a facist ideology" Sheesh! how ludicrous can this crackpot get? Gandalf, you fucking moron, your posts are becoming stupidier and stupidier. I sure like diversity of views however obnoxious, but not run of the mill stupid views. Improve. |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 44 of 96 ) Gandu, And you are suggesting I picked up "SANGHI PROPAGANDA" in English Classics and scholarly history books written by Anglo Americans. Yes, write to the Securities and Exchange Commission that Microsoft be debarred from the Ny Stock Exchange for making donations to Indian causes and for hiring too many people of East Indian Origin. Sun Micro be debarred as founder Khosla supposedly named it after the Sun God and so on and so forth. Are you a certified lunatic. Is today the Full Moon day! You would be entertaining as a clown if you were not so nasty. |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 45 of 96 ) Hmm... again you try and equate Indians with Sanghis. All of you out there, this is the trick they use, because any critisism is viewed as Anit-Indian and would thus silence secular Indians. Giving donation to the Indian poor is welcome and needed. Giving money to the Sang is not.. it is blood money that will further destroy the very people its supposed to help. Please make the distinction. Riot victims are not so compelling on TV, but whenm you meet the victims (whao are alive) you will really know the pain. |
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Karapall 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 46 of 96 ) Gandalf: "Sinbad.. if your education is confined to kids books that you so lionize then there is nothing I can do too..." That's medieval literature, which gives a record of the politics at that time, you stupid turd. Just calling it "kids books" just because have not read it, is just pathetic, even for a pathetic imbecile like you. |
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Karapall 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 47 of 96 ) Gandalf: " because any critisism is viewed as Anit-Indian and would thus silence secular Indians" No, I dont think anyone here has a problem with truly secular people. What they do have a problem with is pseudo-secular motherfuckers like you who preach hatred and bigotry and then try to claim that you are "secular". You are an anti-hindu bigot and a christian funcdamentalist asshole --- in other words, you and the pseudo-secular crowd are about as secular as Osama Bin Laden. |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 48 of 96 ) Gand halfass, Go buy a copy of James Michener's NOVEL , the Word.It details the history of the Jewish people for the last 4000 years and the persecutions that begun in Europe from around 500AD. As a Christian 'batya' you must know that the lying conniving Vatican blamed the Jews for Jesus's crucifixion withou adding how the socalled expiatory death would have been possible otherwise. |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 49 of 96 ) Indian journalists are simply anti-Hindu. Why don't they want to report Kashmir tragedy ? Where is Arundhati Roy and Anita Pratap who is so anti-Hindu ? Why don't they write a single line on massacre of Hindus in Kashmir ? Are they afraif of writing against Islamic terror ? |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 50 of 96 ) The Kashmir Tragedy WHO ARE KASHMIRI PANDITS ? The Kashmiri Pandits are Hindus, also known as Batta (but-ta) in Kashmiri. In 1947, they formed about 15% of the population of the Valley. They are the 'original sons of the soil', tracing their origin back to thousands of years, to the very origin of Kashmir ,to the great sage Kashyapa who drained the enormous lake called Satisar and the land that emerged is named Kashmir after the sage. Pt Kalhana's Rajatarangini ,12th Century A.D, the first chronicle of Indian History by an Indian, bears testimony to this story. Kashmiri Hindus raised almost all 'tirthas' (holy shrines) of Bharat in the valley itself. Thus they have Gangabal for Gangotri, Sangam for Prayag, Sharda, the replica of Haridwara, Koti tirtha - a thousand shrines at Baramulla. They have Bhadarkali in Bhadarkal village, the site of goddess Kali (Calcutta) and they have Khir Bhawani, the holy shrine of Ragnya. Not only that, the Hindus of Kashmir attributed numberless qualities to Vitasta, the river Jehlum of Kashmir, singing hymns in its praise. There is an endless list of holy springs assigned to lesser divinely figures: Verinag Kejnag, Kansarnag, Nilnag, Tarsar, Marsar, and scores of other springs are deeply intertwined in the Pandit mythology and folklore. The Hindu rulers built hundreds of hamlets, bridges and temples, many existing after their names like Letpur by Lalitaditya, Renwor ( Raina Wari) by Ranaditya, Tapar by Tapaditya, Harwan by Shadrawahan, Kanispora by Kanishka, Ushkara by Hovishka and so forth and so on. Kashp-Bhoomi, or Kashmir is so much linked and mixed with the Kashmiri Pandit community, one cannot even think of Kashmiri Pandit being separated from Kashmir. Every inch of Kashmir valley bears the imprint of the forefathers of present day Kashmiri Hindus. How can they accept their forced exile? The existence and survival of Kashmiri Pandits as a sub-group of Hindus is so closely dependent on their geographical surroundings in the Valley that they will become extinct as a distinct community if they are separated from the Valley for long. With its liberal and tolerant traditions, the Kashmiri Hindu assimilated, absorbed and integrated the essence of those faiths which came from outside into the valley. The mingling with Islam gave birth to Sufi-Rishi tradition which is an essenlial part of real "Kashmiriat". " Truly was it said that the Pandits and the Muslims were two brothers, pursuing two different faiths in perfect mutual affection, respect and trust." These were the Muslims who could not and did not support Pakistan in its wars with India in 1947, 1965 and 1971. However, such moderate Muslims increasingly turned into a small minority. The indoctrination which had started way back, from 1947, with the young through Maktabas ( religious schools) and Mullahs from U.P., India, preaching Islamic fanaticism and Fundamentalism, hatred against Hindus and India had began to bear fruit. It was time for Pakistan to change its strategy to wrest Kashmir out of the Indian Union. It started recruiting the young indotrinated adults for training in Azad Kashmir. It trained them, armed them and sent them back to the valley to become a part of the armed revolt which is Pakistan's proxy war, fought with Kashmiri blood. |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 51 of 96 ) PAKISTAN'S PROXY WAR TURNS INTO WAR ON PEACEFUL HINDUS The first targets in this war were the Hindu minority population of the valley. They were seen both as infidels and killing infidels had religious sanction, and at the same time, they being loyal to India were the symbols of India to be obliterated as targets of Jihad against India. The war, undeclared at first, started on September 14, 1989 when Pt. Tikka Lal Tapiloo, a well known Hindu leader was gunned down in cold blood outside his home early morning. That was followed by several other murders, Justice Neel Kanth Ganju in broad day light outside a bank in Srinagar in November 1989. A well known Kashmiri poet about 80 years old, Pt Sarwanand Premi was kidnapped along with his son from his home; they were brutally beaten, their eyes were gauged out and the two were finally hanged to death. Over 300 well known people from all walks of life were killed in a very short time. The Hindu community was totally struck by panic. Coinciding with these gruesome events, posters started to appear in Srinagar and other towns asking people to observe strict Islamic codes regarding dress, food and entertainment. Video shops and cinema theaters were forced to shut down their business, and alcohol was banned. Islamic dress code for women was enforced, much against their will. Time on the clocks and watches was changed from Indian Standard Time to Pakistan standard time; even the Pakistani currency was put into circulation in place of the Indian currency. In other words, Kashmir valley had become a de facto Pakistan territory and with each move, public were coerced to give their approval by their participation. Young men wielding guns and pistols began to be accepted as status symbols in Kashmir, and being called a mujahideen became a real 'honor' for the boys and their families. |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 52 of 96 ) JANUARY, 1990: JIHAD BEGINS On January 4, 1990, Aftab, a local daily of Srinagar published a press release from Hizbulmujahdin, one of the major terrorist organizations favoring merger of the J & K State with Pakistan, threatening Kashmiri Hindus to Ieave Kashmir. The Press release declared in no uncertain terms, that those not obeying the directive will be simply annihilated. Alsafa, another daily repeated this warning. Hysteria about Jihad by Kashmiri Muslims reached a feverish pitch on January 19, 1990 when the JKLF, Hizbulmujahdin and other terrorist organizations declared the introduction of Nizam-e-Mustafa or Islamic rule in Kashmir. Kashmiris were asked to come out of their homes with whatever tools and weapons they had and demonstrate in streets to defy the curfew that the Government had imposed. Street demonstration continued unabated for three days. Jihad became the buzz word in all private and public conversations. On the night of January 19, all mosques in the valley began to broadcast from the loudspeakers that are used normally for prayer calls, a taped message which ran non- stop twenty four hours for three consecutive days: " Kashmir mein agar rehna hai, All-ho-Akbar kahna hai" ( If you wish to stay on in Kashmir, you will have to chant nothing but Alla-ho-Akbar) " Yahan kya chalega: Nizam-e-Mustafa" ( What kind of Law will prevail here: none other than the Kuranic law ) And third slogan which was devastating for Hindu morale was the following: "Asi gachchi Pakistan, Batao roas te Batanev san " ( We want Pakistan, along with Kashmiri Hindu women but without their menfolks ) |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 53 of 96 ) HINDU EXODUS As the campaign for Jihad intensified, so did the campaign of terror against Kashmiri Hindus. Selective killing of known Hindus soon turned into indiscriminate murder of Hindus as a matter of daily routine. Many were killed in a brutal manner in order to terrorize other Hindus. Hindus started getting death threats by phone and by mail. Many found their front doors covered by warnings and death threats and death warrants. In some cases the terrorists simply entered into Hindu homes and ordered them to leave within 24 to 48 hours! The message of the terrorists to the Hindus was loud and clear: Ralive, ,Tslive or Galive ( Either mingle with us and be a part of us, or run for your life, and if you do neither, then death is your end). Hindu homes became the targets of stoning as well as fire bombing by Muslim terrorists. Hindu women dared not come out of their homes for fear of getting molested or raped. Hindu temples became the targets of fire bombing, grenade attacks and arson. The trauma inflicted on Hindus was not only physical but psychological also. Was it Hitler's Brown Brigade which was torturing them as they did to the German Jews before launching a full fledged campaign to exterminate them? No, the mujahdin's were worse, they were not satisfied with just killing a Hindu, they tortured even a dying victim. Kashmiri Hindu community was paralyzed by the rapidity with which the events were moving. They were convinced that the terrorists really meant to enforce the three options given to Hindus. They could not accept conversion to Islam and join the mujahdin's in their demand to join Pakistan and be disloyal to India. And the only choice they had was to run for their lives if they wanted to survive. The EXODUS of Hindus had begun. They ran to Jammu, became refugees and to suffer at the hands of bureaucrats and indifferent Government officials. |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 54 of 96 ) The people forgot by the World Today, this community, inspite of its glorious past, its great contribution to Literature, Arts, Temple arhitecture, Science and Philosophy and also to India's Freedom struggle through its illustrious families Nehrus, Saprus, Katjus, Kouls and so on is on the brink of extinction as a community. They are refugees in their own country. Being so small in number, they are no 'vote bank' for the ruling Congress party. The have to go back to their "homeland" in the valley. If present rulers of India fail them in that regard and continue to disregard and ignore them, they have no other option but to appeal to the world conscience for HELP!. To conclude, the Constitution of India FAlLED to protect the Kashmiri Pandits. The Islamic terrorists VIOLATED all their rights as citizens of free, democratic and secular India, and even as human beings entitled to protection under Human Rights Declaration as promulgated by the United Nations, yet there seems to be no one espousing their cause. Hope this article will enlighten the netters, the US public and politicians about the gross injustice which has been committed by Islamic fanatics, supported by Pakistan, against this small peace loving community. |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 55 of 96 ) Cry my Hindu brothers and Sisters who are still alive. We could not protect our brothers in Kashmir. We could not protect our Sisters when they were raped in 1000s . We are the most selfish people on Earth. The Hindu refugees are still languishing in numerous camps. Hindu butcher is still continuing in the Subcontinent. But we are mute spectators. Our journalists only won't write for them. Our media won't notice them. Mani Shankar Aiyar of Congress blamed KASHMIRI HINDUS FOR THE WHOLE TRAGEDY. CONGRESS SCOLDED THEM FOR ESCAPING THE MASSACRE. Let us remember , these "secular" people are also Hindus only. Why are they so selfish ? Why are Hindus so indifferent when their brothers are butchered and sisters are raped by JEHADI DOGS supported by "seculars" ????? |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 56 of 96 ) From goond proffesing to be the standard bearers of a religion that expouses truth, It is indicative that you entire Sanghi viewpoint is based on Halftruths, blatant lies and twisted machinations. It there is one thing good about the evil over the last 8 years, its been the common man has become more questioning. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 57 of 96 ) "It is indicative that you entire Sanghi viewpoint is based on Halftruths, blatant lies and twisted machinations" Then what is the TRUTH you fucking jihadi arsehole? Puke it out! You fucking bastard, instead of sympathising with the hindu lives lost, you claim that killing of hindus is half truth? The other truth is about the jihadi bastards who killed the hindus were all muslims, right? You fucking anti-hindu maderchod will be killed bastard when you come in front of me! I can assure you that. You bastard belong to the Guantanamo Bay camp and sooner or later you are gonna go there. |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 58 of 96 ) "You fucking anti-hindu maderchod will be killed bastard when you come in front of me!" You twisted product of an incestous union, dont froth at the mouth like some tantrikstud, you pathetic delusional cowardly dick worshipper |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 59 of 96 ) Limp dick, let me explain it using one of the great vedic scientific discoveries. If a woman has her periods, you can say that she is unclean and will pollute the entire house, its some sign from God etc, or you can say its a natural occurance that has to be address in terms of hygiene. The Ragunath temple, incident, the multitude of other incidents by Thakurs, Veerapn, Muslims, etc, must be viewed as a law and order problem. I think the Sangh had a major role in ensuring this virus spread. I think the political parties did nothing to stop it(including the Congress). But the fact remains- we cannot solve a problem by spewing hate.. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 60 of 96 ) "The Ragunath temple, incident, the multitude of other incidents by Thakurs, Veerapn, Muslims, etc, must be viewed as a law and order problem" HAHAHAHA ! You fucking jihadi scum. Now you act in tandem with your commie bed partners and let off all the islamic jihadis that kill the hindus with a secular justification like this. And any killing of muslims becomes a communal carnage! Keep it coming bastard. And remember, do not show your fucked up self in front of me. Make no mistake. You will be wiped clean. Now get back to fucking yourself jihadi bastard. |
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jbindra 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 61 of 96 ) We shall overcome. vikram99 And remember, do not show your fucked up self in front of me. Make no mistake. You will be wiped clean My my, imagine what a wonderful and compassionate legal system we would have in India if it went the VHP way. Bush Style - YOU WILL be wiped clean ! (Basically oral sex (rape), followed by the other types of sex and finally roasting the poor criminal (or innocent) to ashes ! Then chant Har Har Mahadev !) Kyon Bhaya ?? Just because you only have a parriah at home to wipe you clean that you threaten other people this way ? A little bit of courtesy would help have more sensible discussions. Do excuse me for being uncouth, but if you guys behave so will others. |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 62 of 96 ) Vikram brother , you may just ignore the bastards. Anyway we can do nothing to them in this message board. Let them bark. When the dogs try to bite just kill them. Actually we Hindus forgot to kill these rabid dogs. Finally we woke up to the reality. Still there is long way to go. Many of us don't have guns. We need guns man. Who dare to speak splitting of India need to be killed just like dogs. |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 63 of 96 ) To all the liberals , babri mosque demolition was just a law and order problem. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 64 of 96 ) jbindra, hey kiddo! I told you to buzz off from this forum that is reserved for grown up people. A moron with a pig's IQ like you belong to a decorated sty. Now buzz off and come here when you borrow answers for my many questions addressed to you in over 3-4 forums. Now go and play housey with your doggie! go! |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 65 of 96 ) every, Think of it - the islamic invasion of India was a 'law and order' problem. The WTC terrorism was a 'law and order' problem. Jihads waged against hindus and other kafirs are purely 'law and order' problems The crusades were for the purpose of restoring 'law and order' The inquisition in India was for 'law and order' Burning of hindu devotees alongwith their family in Godhra becomes a 'law and order' problem by calling them 'activists' So, slaughter of hindus in kashmir by marxist backed jihadis is also a 'law and order' problem. BUT KILLING OF MUSLIMS IN GUJARAT IS A POGROM - A PRE-MEDITATED GENOCIDE AND NEVER A LAW AND ORDER PROBLEM! Impeccable logic, eh? |
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every 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 66 of 96 ) jbindra I share your concern. We Indians should go the Bush way. Bush has made it clear , for every American killed he will kill 100 brothers of the killer , will make 1000 of them starve. He is prepared to vaporize millions of jehadis anytime. That's the spirit. Killing the enemies of India is the best thing we can do for our motherland. All the developed and powerful countries slaughterd their enemies in millions , they are always ready to repeat the same. Why should India be an exception ? |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 67 of 96 ) every, there's a better way like our HAJpayee does. HAJpayee nithi it is called. Write poetry on the evils of terrorism and release it to MTV. Who in turn will make Ali Sami sing it and Amir Khan will act. What a global reach it will have! And it will 'enhance' the awareness of terrorism among the common masses. Nice political strategy, eh? |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 68 of 96 ) I picked up something while trying to get to the end of 'every' hogwash. In one post he says the constitution of India has failed the Kasmiri Pandits... In the next post he says that all seperatists must be wiped clean (for a start he better wipe his ass but anyway). At least a separatist is honest. This bastard is trying to denigrate the constiturion of India, why?. Because he wants the destruction of India and the creation of a facist empire. These retards call themselves nationalist ... HA! |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 69 of 96 ) Big difference between Bush and the Sangh.. Bush is targeting foreigners (and bullshit about the 1000 to 1 crap), You as usuall are targeting minorities.. Even bush would be ashamed are the level of cowardliness you show. Which is not surprising to any student of IndianHistory |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 70 of 96 ) Look at the logic of this maderchot Gandalf. One targets one's enemies.This is crystal clear; and does so by hitting them as hard as one can. Is there a global constitution somewhere that says a nation must attack only those holding foreign passports and a hostile, seditious ,frenzy driven minority that broke the nation into two pieces becomes a mere law and order problemto be solved by "instituting the healing process" |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 71 of 96 ) "At least a separatist is honest. This bastard is trying to denigrate the constiturion of India, why?. Because he wants the destruction of India and the creation of a facist empire" Gandalf logic at play! A separatist is honest although he wants to wipe out India and carve out a separate state (a'la pakistan and bangladesh)! A person who 'denigrates' the constitution of India is a bastard who wants the destruction of India and create a fascist empire!! WOW! Keep the pearls rolling on, you LTTE sidekick. |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 72 of 96 ) George Bush hit the terrorists in Afghanistan a devastating blow. One should see the clip on the Mazar e Sharif bombing to see how effectively America dealt with a prisoner of war revolt. The Israeli formula of destroying homes of terrorist suspects immediately must be instituted all over India not only Kashmir and the North East. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 73 of 96 ) "You as usuall are targeting minorities.. Even bush would be ashamed are the level of cowardliness you show. Which is not surprising to any student of IndianHistory" Again a piece of moronic shit. If abstaining from stooping down to the level of islamic scum culture goes under the name of 'cowardice', I agree with you on this. But how can we not 'target' the minorities who 'target' us and kill us in trains and buses? How can you call the victims as cowards when they retaliate? And why do you object NOW when we are screwing the jihadis' balls red hot? Hindus are damned if they do, and damned if they don't! But don't ya worry! Stoop down we will and wipe off their balls! |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 74 of 96 ) Yes, the Babri Masjid is indeed a law and order problem in that an illegal encroachment needs to be removed, cleansed and the original edifice of worship be restored,the same in hundreds of other cases. No secular person can have any moral objections to restoring places of worship dear to 85% plus MINORITY, right. Let us start treating Hindus as minorities and commence a policy of appeasement. In fact if we idiots can be united in pride and honor, every fucking government will have to appease us rather than the gutter class converts. |
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sinbad 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 75 of 96 ) To ALl, I think it is indeed high time to finally urinate and defecate on cowards and traitors like Gandu and Bibdra and move along.They are worthless creatures but nasty ones. |
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gandalf 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 76 of 96 ) "Hindus are damned if they do, and damned if they don't" Tut, tut, again you are equating the Hindu with the Sangh. Slimey loose motion, Speak for yourself |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 77 of 96 ) Like you equate minority with muslims, christians, jews, buddhists, jains, parsis, adivasis, dravidians, dalits, harijans, shahs, thakurs, thevars, lals, reddys, naidus, blah blah blah......everybody except brahmins, eh? So, 2% population of brahmins are the 'majority' and the remaining 98% are the 'minority'. Mullah Mulayam was the best! he announced reservation to the brahmins in UP too! And being a typical marxist fuck, you accuse me of equating hindus with the sangh? |
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Tathagat 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 78 of 96 ) appa DeepO bhava [a bajarangii shot at in Gujarat]... in ur desperation 2 retain power at any cost... MoaDii was dispatched 2 ahmedabad... n look 'eee already toorned it into Mini Kashmiir... what a shame... sooo many gory crimes... n no fookin' justice in sight... this bajarangii desperation may force millitary 2 intervien taking the rein... restore civility... 5.5 million lampaTs sent to jails... when sanity restored... RSS and affliate banned for good... lol... Sonia Ben or Basu, MMS, V Karat as CEO de bhaarat.. elected with landslide... not a single bajarangii or a criminal in there... look the polished PROFESSIONAL [:)] general ;) implemented what our SC desired... on which ECs acted 2... every effing contestant in the recent election was a graduate I presume... [but then... "Colleges are places where pebbles are polished and diamonds are dimmed." sayeth buddha R.S. Ingersoll its another theeng that t considers our VC jaahils too [wonder do they know the jewish or sikh population... ah there is one from Oootteranchal who is condemed for plagirism... there is a quote... it is plagerism if u git it from one source and it is research if the sources are many... :), so he lifted chunks of it... presuming that no one know about it... :) Quotations on Journalism The Half of the American people have never read a newspaper. Half never voted for President. One hopes it is the same half. --- Gore Vidal Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read. --- Frank Zappa Journalism largely consists of saying 'Lord Jones is Dead' to people who never knew that Lord Jones was alive. --- G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936) Trying to determine what is going on in the world by reading newspapers is like trying to tell the time by watching the second hand of a clock. --- Ben Hecht USA Today has come out with a new survey - apparently, three out of every four people make up 75% of the population. --- David Letterman Editor: a person employed by a newspaper, whose business it is to separate the wheat from the chaff, and to see that the chaff is printed. --- Elbert Hubbard (1856 - 1915) It's amazing that the amount of news that happens in the world every day always just exactly fits the newspaper. --- Jerry Seinfeld. More Quotes on Journalism Famous and Infamous Quotations on Journalism Censorship By Other Means : The Witch-Hunting of a Professor by Gilles d'Aymery @ Swans |
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Karapall 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 79 of 96 ) tathagat: Fucking imbeciles like you should first learn to write a complete sentence if you want others to comprehend what you are saying. Stay off the drugs for a while and you might get more coherence. |
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Karapall 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 80 of 96 ) tathagat: "55 million lampaTs sent to jails... when sanity restored... RSS and affliate banned for good... lol... Sonia Ben or Basu, MMS, V Karat as CEO de bhaarat.. elected with landslide... " This marxist shit dreams of all hindu groups being called terrorist groups and wants the italian whore to become India's queen regent. Wait, it gets better, he wants the senile marxist coot Jyoti Basu (who sold all the public land in calcutta to his communist compadres) to ruin India just like he has made West Bengal into a terrorist-infested slum. This shit Basu even tolerated bangladeshi infiltration into India because it helped him consolidate the muslim vote bank. Now it is clear that most of these bangladeshis who have sneaked into India are working for the ISI and Al Qaeda. This shithead tathagat would like Basu to duplicate his stagerring sucess in West Bengal all over India. |
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Tathagat 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 81 of 96 ) appa DeepO bhava ...wait... wait krappy there is more. eee hamra style hai... btw t wouldn't like 2 talk 2 u... and me female friends finds u repulsively disgusting... do have u on ignore 4 long... ha! yenH mooNh aur masOOOr kii daal... which Daal [shaakha ;)] u sit on with all ur blindhate... r u on sanghii bhangii payroll or what... Dhammendra [ZeeAlphaGujarati] crossed all limits again... wonder whether it should have gone on in the air... unfucker is no good 2 be a chapraassii of his chapraasii... calling Mr Lyngdoh t'ooo... tu... [ ah now Sindoordhaarii bhenjii is on... theee raag... [whenevr someone corner them with something wrong... lampaTs start 2 blame INC}... lol... finishing with a hai with Kashmiir... real surprise wud be beej [this Modi pogram last nail in their coffin... it will remain a beej and not take root...] phinishing thoord... lol... [wait 4 NDTV's NewsHour... n wisdom la Dua on Sahaara... his guests are so cool... PP, PJ, VS, ST, AMK, RB, JN, AMS, JN [where is Yechury?] 4 twenty years t has been singing... Dylan's topical protest Village buddy Phil Ochs' loov me, loov me, loov me, i am a liberal... but am certain this venom spitting bajrangii shouldn't be given 2 airwaves... should be ostracized... social boycot... huQQa paanii bandh... lol... nah!!! raather more they speak... more they xpose themselves... them their own enemy... ...but than as Robert Frost said "A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel."... so fine go ahead call them... instigate/provok them foorther... let the venom flow... let them kill a few more thousands... n more kaalikh that whole world start to cry... them unable to answer people rage... "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract." Sayeth Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., on PEOPLE/peep_ul ah "Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." Sayeth P.J. O'Rourke |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 82 of 96 ) "eee hamra style hai..." sounds like laloo pershaud yadav !!! could this tatagot be the that zombie who fell into laloo's bedroom and massaged his feet (among other 'things' of course)? |
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Karapall 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 83 of 96 ) tathagat: " and me female friends finds u repulsively disgusting... " Glad you admitted that all this pretense of "scholarship" by posting links is just so that you can get a free friday night fuck. I could care less what your cretinous female friends think, you stupid shit. Now, get back to the topic if you can...that is, if you can ever manage to write a complete sentence before moving on to the next sentence or thought. You are a fucking clueless bonehead, and going by your need to impress women you are another pimply, MTV-watching shithead of a teenager. |
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Karapall 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 84 of 96 ) tathagat: "Sindoordhaarii bhenjii is on... theee raag... [whenevr someone corner them with something wrong... lampaTs start 2 blame INC}" This motherfucker tathagat is such a cretin that he seems to have no clue as to the INC's terrible and devious and treacherous past. The INC and the Nehru clan are responsible for most of the problems in India today, and this shit seems to think that the INC is beyond reporach. Shall we list all the "intellectual" luminaries in the INC today?? Antonia Maino (aka Sonia Gandhi), Mani Shankar Aiyar (last I saw he still had Antonia's shit sticking to his mustache), Arjun Singh, Pranab Mukherjee (both of them are responsible for handing over J&K to the pro-pakistani PDP), Ambika Soni (seems to have been elevated from the position of personal chaprasi to the Antonia Maino Family), Sheila Dixit (washes Ambika Sonis ass in public)..... ... lol... finishing with a hai with Kashmiir... real surprise wud be beej [this Modi pogram last nail in their coffin... it will remain a beej and not take root...] phinishing thoord... lol... |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 85 of 96 ) Climate of hatred in Guajarat -- cause or effect Author: Vinod Kumar Publication: Kashmirherald.com Recently there has been a flood of articles demonizing Narendra Modi - the Chief Minister of Gujarat. The main thrust of such articles is that the Chief Minister Modi and the Gujarat government stood by when the Muslims were being killed in the aftermath of Godhra train episode where 58 Hindu pilgrims were burnt to death. . "A climate of hate prevails in Gujarat today" - many have written. But hardly ever any mention is made of massacre at Godhra or at Akshardham temple. Hate does no body good. If hate does prevail in Gujarat today, it is indeed a serious social malady. This malady becomes even more serious since Gujarat is just one limb of the body called India. If proper measures are not taken it is quite likely that it might spread to other parts of the nation too. For an effective and permanent cure of a disease we must also know how it came to be in the first place. In the long run, it is better to cure the cause than just the symptoms. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 86 of 96 ) (msg 85 continyued...) There are two ways of contracting a disease. It can either be hereditary from within or it can be inflicted from without. Early history and philosophy of India gives no proof of any genes of hate in its body politic or religion. When the first Muslims came to India - that happened to be in Gujarat -- they were well received and given land and grants to build their mosques and preach Islam. Muslims were not the only ones to come to India. The same is true of everyone else - the early Christians, the Jews, the Parsis (hounded by Muslims from their ancestral homes in Iran) -- to name a few -- who came and found safe haven in India and have lived peacefully to this day. Legend has it that the followers of Caliph Ali had expressed desire to be given a safe passage to India before they were massacred at Karbala. This has been the reputation of India of the yore. Then how this malady of hate crept in Gujarat (or India)? There is a well-known principle "there is no effect without a cause." |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 87 of 96 ) (continued....) The Islamic invasions of India "were not undertaken merely out of lust for loot or conquest," Ambedkar observed in his book Pakistan or Partition of India. Had they just done that and went back, all would have been forgotten. The main purpose of Islamic invasions was to "purge the land of Hind from the filth of infidelity" and establish "the religion of Islam in the whole land." For the sources of hate one should look into not only the demolition of Somnath temple in Gujarat, but all over India and the accompanying massacres and plunder. An estimate of the number of Hindu temples demolished, the women raped, the wealth plundered, the Hindus massacred can easily be made from the records left to posterity by the Muslim invaders themselves. Hindus were in no position to record their own massacres. What was the cause of this? |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 88 of 96 ) (continued......) What was the cause of this? This was explained to Muhammad bin Kasim, commander of the Islamic army sent to conquer Sind and Hind by Hajjaj, the governor of Iraq who had sponsored his expedition: "But the way of granting pardon prescribed by law is different from the one adopted by you… The Great God says in the Koran: 'O true believers, when you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads.' The above command of the Great God is a great command and must be respected and followed." The infidel was not to be pardoned. The rape of Hindu did not stop with bin Kasim in 712 CE -- it continued for over a millennium. The Islamic rape and plunder of India is unparalleled in the annals of world history. "The Mohamedan Conquest of India, is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and liberty, culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within." Will Durant went on to observe in his The Story of Civilization. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 89 of 96 ) (continued....) The argument is given - "these were centuries ago, how can the Muslims of today be held responsible for the acts of their ancestors?" The argument is both right and fallacious. It is true that these acts were carried out centuries ago but it is fallacious that they were ancestors of modern day Muslims of India. Muslims of India regard these invaders and plunderers as their ancestors which they actually are not. The Muslims of India today are culpable for these acts of Muslims from without because they see no wrong in them and seek their glory in such acts of vandalism. Otherwise what would prevent them from handing over all the monuments built over or from demolition of Hindu monuments and declare them villains of history, not heroes? Such acts should be an object of shame, not pride of any civilization. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 90 of 96 ) (continued.....) Not only that, the attitude still prevails. Burning of Hindu pilgrims at Godhra and killing of Hindu devotees at Akshardham Temple are its latest manifestation in Gujarat. Such acts are not limited to India alone. Blasting away two millennia old irreplaceable Buddhist statues, carved on the mountainside in Bamiyan, is another example. What happened to almost entire non-Muslim population of Pakistan in 1947 and what is going on in Kashmir today and the fate of Hindus there is another issue? Space prevents us from going into those details. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 91 of 96 ) (continued......) And what even erudite and politically responsible Muslims think of Hindus as kafir was illustrated by Maulana Mohammad Ali, Co-president of Khilafat Movement (with Gandhiji) when he said that in "However pure Gandhi's character may be, he must appear to me from the point of view of religion inferior to any Mussalman, even though he be without character." It was not mere slip of the tongue. He repeated it later also. History testifies that under Muslim rule Hindu was reduced to abject penury and destitution. For centuries, Hindu was looked upon as an object of hate and derision. Sultan Alauddin Khilji had issued orders that "the Hindus shall not be allowed to posses more than what is required for a bare subsistence." |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 92 of 96 ) (Concluded) Let alone apologizing, Muslims of India see all these demolitions, massacres and plunders as the glory of Islam while proclaiming it to be a religion of peace. They see no contradiction in this. This behavior is nothing than rubbing salt in festering wound. Unfortunately, civilizations have long memory. No self-respecting individual, let alone civilization can survive in ignominy of perpetual insult and humiliation, and as object of hate. |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 93 of 96 ) Why is this article not in ANY of the english media? WHAT IS NOT WRONG with journalism today? if pimping the nation that feeds it is not wrong, then what is? if prostituting the culture and the ancestors of this land is not wrong, then what is? if prostituting an oldest religion for the sake of petro dollars and white flesh is not wrong, then what is? |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 94 of 96 ) "Media's Rs50 crore shame in Gujarat" http://www.rediff.com/election/200 2/dec/07guj3.htm This clearly shows that media are pimps and being in the same trade as the politicians, they have no moral right to talk about the politicians. Media choots are like a person who has contracted aids by humping around red light area whores at discount rates and still goes around shouting at others as bastards !!! |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 95 of 96 ) "RSS flays Kerala Govt decision to give 'Ezhuthachan' award to Kamala Suraiya" http://www.newindpress.com/Newsite ms.asp?ID=IEL20021207064607&Page=L&Title=B+R+E+A+K +I+N+G++++N+E+W+S&rLink=0 Now before you jihadi scum pounce on RSS, understand that this award is instituted in memory of a malayalam poet poet who was noted for his spiritual and religious values. And sample a selection from few of this bitch Suraiyya's (previously Kamala Das) "erotic masterpieces" - " the musk of sweat between breasts/ The warm shock of menstrual blood should not be hidden from one's beloved" or about how a woman should "Stand nude before the glass with him," and allow her lover to see her exactly as she is. Likewise, Bibi Surayya appreciates even the "fond details" of her lover, such as "the jerky way he/ Urinates" or if you want to get a bit graphic, how about "Ask me, everybody, ask me What he sees in me, ask me why he is called a lion, A libertine, ask me why his hand sways like a hooded snake Before it clasps my pubis. Ask me why like A great tree, felled, he slumps against my breasts, And sleeps. Ask me why life is short and love is Shorter still, ask me what is bliss and what its price.... " |
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vikram99 11/18/2002 10:52:34 AM ( 96 of 96 ) And what does this sexually desparate woman's works have anything to do with 'spiritual' to earn this award? Like RSS says - "the only reason for giving this award was to please the minority in Kerala as the author, earlier known as Kamala Das, had subsequently embraced Islam." And we have to swallow up all this crap that is happening around us in the spirit of 'tolerance' ? |
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