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India: A Soft State Free Speech Host 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM The recent bunglings at the Bangladesh borders leading to the mutilation of 16 BSF Jawans and the tame talk of friendly relationship with Bangladesh seems to have reinforced our image as a Soft State. Agree? |
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Free Speech Host 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 1 of 88 ) From Kandahar to the Veerappan crisis, the Indian state seems to be acquiring a reputation for capitulating. And now you have all these ceasefires. What should the state policy be when faced with situations like these? |
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rav666 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 2 of 88 ) It's got to do with the nature of our people from historic times. We've been silent spectators watching hoardes of invaders take away all that we've had. Never once have we demonstrated the grit to take on an offender - we've just silently given in. And throught history we've had our own men working at cross-purposes by tying up with the enemy. (e.g the Enron chief till yesterday was an Indian named Sanjay Bhatnagar) We are an easy target for any one to shoot. |
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cactus 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 3 of 88 ) I think the turning point in our history was when our Kings started patrionizing Buddhism ( too much a dose of non violence). India was a strong and powerfull state untill Ashoka took to buddhism. Just think about Tibet, a peace loving Buddhist country who got crushed by ruthless chinese. Buddhism induced too much non violence into our society, we hesitate to take an aggressive action which can actually bring long term peace... Otherwise, how in the hell a handfull of Britishers can rule 300 million Indians for 200 years?? Gandhi gave us Independence peacefully, but it was too late..India was already plundered and raped many a times. |
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mvmohsin 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 4 of 88 ) I do agree with you that India is a very soft state,people like veerapan,&Bal thackeray law breakers and doing all kinds of nonsense and fooling people of India that they are the care takers of Bharat Maa,basically this kind of traitors and unpatriotic people should be hanged and nobody should take undue advantage of India's softness. |
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Preeti 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 5 of 88 ) Ah, but then Indian state's alleged atrocities in J&K and the North East is also something we should remember, no? |
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Prem 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 6 of 88 ) Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra. I doubt very much, rev666. All right so we lost to the Chinese in 62 but what about the solid bashing we gave the Pakis each time they tried something new? I think the whole idea of India as a soft state has more to do with the flab around the middle that sits in india's top echeleons (actually the flab must be in their heads too, not just on their bellies). Ironically, Myrdal wasn't talking about political softness and the inability to take hard decisions. Actually, desoite all her faults, Mrs G. at least had some balls. The way she stood up to various bullies I think was admirable. What we want is more like Mrs. G as far as poltiical toughness in dealing with the militants is concerned. All right, okay, I give up. Don't kill me for her cynical manipulation of the sikhs and hindus and others. |
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rav666 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 7 of 88 ) Mrs G might appear tough in view of the 1971 war. But i also read a story that while we made significant progress on the eastern front (leading to creation of Bangladesh), we made significant losses on the western front. Vajpayee (or Hajpayee as many of our friends may like to refer to him affectionately) is more preferable. Never in the past have we been respected as a nation to this extent. |
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Prem 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 8 of 88 ) Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra. No, think about the amount of preparation and planning it took to cock a snook even at the US. What I was alluding to but did not specifically talk about OTOH was her reaction when the Kashmiri militants in UK were demanding release and threatening that they'd kill the kidnapped Indian embassy official. Mrs. G did not capiutulate. Now the family members of the person concerned or human rights activists might have a different take on it, but think about the contrast with the Rubbaiya Syed kidnapping, Kabul Hijack, Veerapan/Rajkumar episode ... Vajpayee can at the most pause or scribble soem unreadable and pathetic kavita. These pseudo poets have no right to be the prime minister of a country if they cannout take a tough decision. |
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avinash 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 9 of 88 ) Mrs. G may have been tough in the '71 war, but what about the Shimla accord, where she gave up all the leverage she had at the negotiating table, and agreed to terms we never should have. From Nehru, to Vajpayee, we're a nation of wusses, lets just face it. One man, be it Veerappan, Kandhahar, anywhere, all it takes is 1 man with a dam gun to bring the entire nation on its knees, begging for mercy. Why can't be produce even one strong leader, just to get India out of its non-aligned syndrome, to get the nation back on its feet?We need to take some tough ,measures here. Being tough doesn't mean terrorizing and neglecting the North East. It means standing up for what the nation believes in, and being prepared to achieve it, no matter what. |
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pshyam 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 10 of 88 ) Mr. avinash the answer is too much of non violence that the indians adhered to. A strong leader will emerge when there is too much trouble around. Yes indeed in india there is too much trouble now.. Yes indeed i am looking for a leader with tough measures. Yes i think indeed we will have to take some real tough measures that will give long term peace. |
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pshyam 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 11 of 88 ) who knows it could be me maybe u of somebody in the group u never know |
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hadavidi 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 12 of 88 ) Though the messages seem to have covered a lot of bases, we didn't seem to have touched upon a key ingridient of human nature, "INTEGRITY", which is fundamental for the evloution of a strong leader. The common theme seems to be that A. B. Vajpayee is a strong leader. His strength lies in his integrity. Even his strongest critics can't even raise a finger against him at a personal level. How many people have that kind of stature? Some of u have suggested that gun is the answer. We have pakistan as a prime example of the power of gun. What are we seeing there? Forget the parties. As people, do we have the integrity, honesty? Though in public we are prone to give bhaashan (for example, what I am doing right now) about honesty, values etc. in reality do we practice it? In fact, do we really like Integrity? At the first instance of problem, majority rush into their pockets to "grease" the issue or may be reach their "phones" to push things around. Once we have these ingridients, then we will truly believe in what we do and that will bring coherence and vision to our policies and handling of issues. |
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sifar 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 13 of 88 ) Nehru and his family. They had so little understanding of Indian psyche. These psychos screwed up indian people. She did not have any balls. Imposing emergency and yielding to her stupid son's whimsical and destructive ideas is the point. She did not have any control over him (his always acted as a stupid prince of a stupid queen). India is a soft state. It becomes tough only with it's neighbouring small little countries. Nehru family has betrayed faith that was implicitly put by indian masses in it by their closeness to gandhi. The recent understanding of social institutions indicates that Gandhi (I mean Mahatma) was much ahead of his time. The stupid Nehru and his stupid daughter fucked up India by importing whatever was fad at their time, be it socialism, import substitutions, or the notion of city-state etc.. They were not leader of a civilization called India, but head of a household. India is much to weak than we think. It's leader and it's people lack vision, determiniation to pull the country out of it's deeply entrenched ignorance and backward looking mentality. We would not get by Making Nuclear bombs and submarine only. People would have to be free, eduacated, and forward looking. It would not be done be these loud and stupid politicians. It can be done by people like you and me. We can only harbinger peace and prosperity for indian people: and the thing that would take us far would be honest assessment of our immediate suurrounding, letting ourselves to get identified by it, and pulling people who are left behind with us. In india, it's still not a right time to define western style socially individuated anonymous faceless person. |
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aksssb 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 14 of 88 ) Unfortunately we have to concede that India is a soft state since last three years.When the Kandhar negotitions started the hijackers wanted only Azhar .We ended up releasing two others also.The saga of veerappan continues even after decades of bloodshed .ISI has a network stronger than than of Doordarshan.Our 15 Corps commander apologises even before the inquiry finished.We lack guts to destroy the terrorist camps in pakistan.The only reason , our babus and netas whether it is Brajesh Mishra or advani the only goal is self preservation. |
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ap 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 15 of 88 ) Pro-Paki Kashmir are welcome to walk across to pok. Kashmir is a Indian state and will remain so. There are 2 million people in Kashmir valley, India has 1 Billion people. Ejecting a 500,000(if that much) pro-paki is no big deal . Send these pro-pakis to paki land instead of playing footsie with them on your dilly “talks”. India has 130million Muslims too. Freedom fighters my a$$. Flood Kashmir will 10million plus people from all over India with free land (Yes it’s a Indian State). Problem will be solved in 10years. |
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indian 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 16 of 88 ) well a soft state i don know but INDIANS r way 2 tolerant...... |
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candid 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 17 of 88 ) There is no denying the fact that our foreign policy leaves a lot to be desired. We must take a lesson or two from China which has been successful time and again in bringing even the powerful MNC's to their knees for hurting its image. It banned the BBC from airing its programmes in China when it said something which tarnished the image of the China. We ,on the other hand, were content with an apology from BBC for showing the state of J&K as disputed territory in one of BBC's broadcasts. I wud say that India Does have the muscle.It only needs to exercise it when required so that it doesn't just waste away. A strong posturing now and then is the need of the hour.. |
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Wkumar 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 18 of 88 ) To a certain degree, I agree that India and her people are indeed very soft in some areas and situation. However, unlike some of the doomslayers (no offense intended!), I believe that it doesn't have to be this way. For centuries India was a strong nation with a proud people. We were the envy of the world at one point! It can still be this way! Nations like China, the United States, and many others can still look to us with respect, perhaps even fear! How? By stopping these foolish games and getting down to buisness. Only by taking ourselves seriously, will the rest of the world stand up and truly take note of us! |
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ksramesh 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 19 of 88 ) India is a soft state, definitely, because a majority are Hindus. Extremism--hijacking, bomb culture, et al--are more prevalent among Muslims and Muslim majority countries. Hindus want peace in life, but Muslims are prepared to go to any length to make their religion the dominant in the world. In the wake of the Kandahar hijacking, a host of channels, especially, Star Plus gave a lot of opportunity to the relatives of the hijacked to air their blatant selfishness. These channels would not dare do this in Pakistan or the Gulf or even the European nation. These relatives of the hijacked were quite selfish and did not bother about the effect it will have on the nation. Of course, this was started by the release of Rubaiya Sayeed by the V P Singh Govt. |
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rav666 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 20 of 88 ) We have once again demonstrated that we are a softy, spongy, shit of a nation which can't even assert itself before an adventurous banana republic that's dependent on us for practically everything. Quit the talk of being a global super power! |
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Tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 21 of 88 ) appa DeepO bhava ... ADMn guys... my msgs posted last night are gone... is it no free speech anymore? or somebody hacked ur site.? The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one. -- Stekel The enemy is anybody who''s going to get you killed, no matter which side he''s on. -- Yossarian (from Catch-22) Morality seems to enter the picture only when individuals interact with each other. It''s universally wrong to steal from your neighbor, but once you get beyond the one-to-one level and pit the individual against the multinational conglomerate, the federal bureaucracy, the modern plantation of agro-business, or the utility company, it becomes strictly a value judgment to decide who exactly is stealing from whom. One person''s crime is another person''s profit. Capitalism is license to steal; the government simply regulates who steals and how much. -- Abbie Hoffman |
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thetruth 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 22 of 88 ) India i soft state . We should kill at least 3 BDR personnels and then we should gi for negotiation . We did the other way . Bangladesh need not be our friend . It is the country of mad dogs . Why should we befriend them . If the dogs try to bite , we should just kill them . BANGLADESH would have been the SLAVE of PAKISTAN , if India hadn't helped them . But we should not expect gratitudes from the country of bastards . Now it's our duty to revenge the killings of all the BSF JAWANS . No way we should talk to BANGLADESHI DOGS . And with Pakistan also , we should be strict . Pakistan was , is and will be our enemy . They want Kashmir , but they forget Pakistan was once belonged to India . India must recover its lost territory Pakistan . Pakistan and its fucking friends don't stand a chance in case of full scale war with INDIA . So , we should be hard with the Pakistan ( the land of motherfucker bastards ) . Let us give the INDIAN soldiers a free hand to kill the Pakistani dogs . |
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thetruth 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 23 of 88 ) sorry for the mistake , actually "We should kill at least 30 BDR personnels " |
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Tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 24 of 88 ) appa DeepO bhava they messed up a lotta theengz already... but major loss is the love lost between Uj n Bhangland... our third biggest partner and equally important a friend... the stupid state n the stupid baboonland media do a widows' whine, lol, ... the mutilation song, every time it happens... what is so big deal about it... ... ah Sharad Power said it in Assam that they even messed relation with a good friend..., Angry Mani in Delhi called him 'naalaayaq' and 'fizool'... lol... An ayyer speaking impeccable urdu (what Arabs n Persian used2call Hind'vi), both in essence saying this bandar-e-aazam is a disaster... make another govt., for pete's sake... or there would be no rains... (it can't rain when terrorist n ill informed baboons reign, ... bandar ke haath meiN ustaraa...), messed up education... traveling back in time... messed up sports... messed up film... music, culture... :(, these guys r bad news... Is india that stupid to put these baboons in power... Indians indeed seem the most stupid people on this planet, North America has NAFTA, Europe EEC, here its nil baTa sannaTa... lol... enemy countdown is on... lol... China enemy #1, (mutilated our chaprasi salaried jawaan), Enemy #2 Pakistan... (mutiliates us), enemy #3 Bhangladesh... Singhala (in ancient times they called them 'asura'... lol... n southerner were baboons... lol..) i guess enemy #4... Nepal enemy #5... n counting... yeah Afghanistaan... enemy #6... 'threat 2 stability... sayeth Mr Atom Bomb Bhajpayee ... Mr Instability himself... |
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Tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 25 of 88 ) appa DeepO bhava North America has NAFTA, Europe EEC, here its nil baTa sannaTa... lol... enemy countdown is on... lol... China enemy #1, (mutilated our chaprasi salaried jawaan), Enemy #2 Pakistan... (mutilates us), enemy #3 Bhangladesh... Singhala (in ancient times they called them 'asura'... lol... n southerner were baboons... lol..) i guess enemy #4... Nepal enemy #5... n counting... yeah Afghanistaan... enemy #6... 'threat 2 stability... sayeth Mr Atom Bomb Bhajpayee ... Mr Unstability himself... JhooTaa, paakhandi, makkaar, farebi, gaagh, dhoort, mukhauTaa, besharam, naalaayaq, naakaara, waakpuT, chadam kavi, dimaagh khaali nahiN hey!!! sure... usmey kooDaa KaRkaT bharaa hey... (Gaandhi made these baboons believe that the Raj was responsible for all their misery... after they leave it will be a bed of roses... the 'Swaraj' ... while succeeding though, in isolating Hindutwa forces...) who believe that Muslim n other minorities are the root cause of all their problems... Xenophobic... BTW this khaki knicker ain't no Indian either... that too comes from Italy... Itni nangi dhoort-ta... Insulting the intelligence of the jaahil jaahil-land media... lol... this low paid chaprasi jaahils not doing their jobs... not Sonia... Medha will take time... u be the Gandhi of the moment... 40 years in lower house n yet not learning anything.... u dheeli fillam... lol... u kept sitting there at the republic day ground remember... 26th January... 8.42 AM it happend... is it?... and u kept sitting there... u had no idea... i wonder if u read papers with any intelligence... or is it memory lapses... even the baboos surrounding u in safaaris are jaahil too... as the Gujarat Cabinate Secretary missed Kaandla Cyclone, as the ABV twin Keshu Moron Missed it... Maapdand... bullshit... bilateral morality... lol... go lady go for the kill... Darney walley ko Daraaya jaata hey... tu matt Daryo... Congress is so effing huge a party that even the foxy Advani doesn't have a clue... don't worry about consuquences... that is what K had advised Indira... when she complained... riding back of a tigress stuff... she rode a tigress... but this guy will be pulled out by people ands take his photograps as they just did Estrada... like a common criminal... book Advani for killing more than 3,000 people, and Balls Thakeray for doing away 900 people... Oh This ugly Saadhvi on air.. what is she doing in sports ministry.... she is a sanyaasi for tathgat's sake... :), how the jaahils can live without Cricket (Angla monarchy played it, royalty batted while the darbaaris fielded... lol...) n now it is in the gutter... n this saadhvi is gonna bring in gilli-danda... lol... n kabaddi n wrestling... (making Mulayam Ecstatic, best way to seek his support, he n Naidu will be reduced to single digit seats soon), tathagat call upon all telegu babes to burn his effigies... with all that loony looks in his eyes... aur laastly yeh wahyyaat dehaati bachchey Aaj Tak pe kissney baithayeiN heiN... inheiN to'a zubaaN bhi nahin aati... |
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sanjayt 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 26 of 88 ) Dear Mr "the truth" - What exactly seems to be ailing you? Why the hell are you so angry? Do you even know one Pakistani or one Bangladeshi well. Why do you have so much hatred for everybody? Do you honestly believe that India can be restored to its pre 1947 borders. Have you heard the phrase "Dont cry over spilt milk" Lets move on and try and make peace so we can focus on solving the real problems in India like poverty, hunger, hygeine, corruption and pollution.... India may be perceived as soft esp when compared to China but in the end India will be the model for other nations in the area because we are a democracy. The rule of law must always dominate. If not you end up having a Pakistan or an Afghanistan where the mob rules and liberty ceases to exist. The problem with democracies is that they are viewed as slow because consensus is the way of governance. India is not soft - responding with an eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind my friend. The people who killed the BSF jawans must be tried to the full extent of the law and if guilty must be punished. This incident should qualify as murder and or a war crime and therefore they would get the death penalty in either cas. That should be punishment enough. There is no need to go and drop tactical nukes on the Bangladeshis as that would be akin to killing an ant with a cannonball.... |
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Pinheiro 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 27 of 88 ) INDO BANGLA BORDER BUNGLE The Indo-Bangla border fiasco is a greater shame to the BJP than the Tehelka expose. While the former was a show of corruption the later is a show of blatant incompetence in handling cross border disputes. The fact that the defense and external affairs ministries don't appear to know what the home ministry is doing does not speak well for the administration. It appears that the left hand truly doesn't appear to know what the right is upto. Our BSF Jawans have been slaughtered not by the BDF and Bangladeshi public on the border, but by the incompetence of our intelligence services and Home Ministry, who were responsible for researching the exact border situation before sending a handful of BSF personnel into enemy territory. The picture of the dead body, of one of our gallant BSF Jawans who undoubtedly martyred himself for our country, tied to a stick like a slaughtered animal, was appalling and a matter of great shame. We should treat our martyrs with a lot more respect. A host of questions still remain unanswered. Who authorized the BSF incursion into Bangladeshi territory? Why did our BSF Jawans not defend themselves, considering that they were on a mission, and were presumably well armed? How could 16 armed men be slaughtered with only 3 deaths on the other side? Was a strength of 16 BSF Jawans sufficient for such an operation? How sound was the entire strategy of capturing a Bangladeshi outpost to be used as a bargaining chip for a Bangladesh occupied Indian post? Shouldn't the entire episode have been attempted to be defused diplomatically, before the military attempt? Did the BSF intrusion into Bangladesh, have unholy connotations as alleged, causing embarrassment to the Indian Government, who were forced to stage a cover up? Whatever be the answers to these and other questions, there are lessons to be learned from this episode, lessons that will ensure such blunders aren't repeated. India should try to treat countries like Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka with extra caution in order to avoid adding to our list of enemies. We have to view the situation in all fairness. In the past two years there have been 53 clashes across the Indo Bangla border in which Bangladesh has lost 45 of their men as compared to a mere 10 on the Indian side. Now that we have lost 16 of our men, we scream blue murder. Is India acting like a big bully where Bangladesh is concerned? It has been reported that certain corrupt BSF officials have been collecting bribes in order to turn a blind eye on smuggling across the border. The center surely must know about this. Why wasn't anything done to stop this practice? Is the omnipresent corruption taken for granted? Bullying by some of our armed forces personnel, of people living in border towns is one of the reasons for these people not wanting to be part of India. They begin to see our armed forces as persecutors rather than protectors. Now that the status quo ante has been restored, we should make every effort to regularize the border dispute rather than wait for the situation to repeat itself in future. |
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Free Speech Host 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 28 of 88 ) Message Deleted by Free Speech Host |
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thetruth 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 29 of 88 ) Only programme for INDO-BANGLA border dispute is a full-fledged war . As Bangladesh is a country of bastrads , those dogs won't openly attack India . India should take the initiatives by attacking . BANGLADESH will be easily defeted . Then we should allow our soldiers to punish bangladeshis for thier heinous crimes . |
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Free Speech Host 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 30 of 88 ) Message Deleted by Free Speech Host |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 31 of 88 ) I refer to the message from "thetruth" on 5/4/2001. What a language! |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 32 of 88 ) I request my friends in India to ask themselves these questions: 1. Why didn't they ratify the 1974 treaty to resolve all border issues? 2. Why have they constructed Farakka barrage and diverted most of the Ganges water causing an ecological havoc in Bangladesh? 3. Why the tarif and non-tarif barriers are higher for Bangladeshi products in India compared to the Indian products in Bangladesh? I am sure there are many people in India who will think logically and participate in informed debate. Don't you think that it is mutual cooperation and not hatred that is needed? |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 33 of 88 ) Please note that India earns US$3 billion every year through formal and informal trading of goods in Bangladesh. In fact Bangladesh is the largest importer of Indian products in the developing world. Please try to understand that a great country needs a great mind as well. |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 34 of 88 ) To the host of Free Speech, The issue to be raised here would have rather been someting like "Why do you think India doesn't have warm relations with any of her neighbours?" Or "Why do you think India should continue to have a border problem with Bangladesh, even after 30 years of the later's emergence? Is it such a complex issue that doesn't have any solution?" It's incredible that a great country like India with all her brilliant political leaders, strategists and bureaucrats have to be involved in a dispute on a tiny piece of land with a "small fry" like Bangladesh. Please come up with vision for the future, at least for the sake of our children. There are many things we share. |
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Tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 35 of 88 ) appa DeepO bhava hey Sputnik don't worry mate, about thetruth... and his language. He sounds more like a jaahil... nafrat ka maaraa bechaaraa... lol... anyone u find offending... just ignore them... will u? |
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rav666 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 36 of 88 ) Hello Mr./Ms. Sputnik, Against all civilized norms, 16 Indian soldiers have been brutally tortured, mutilated and their dead bodies have been paraded like the carcasses of dead animals, with hands and legs tied to wooden poles. And the culprits have been felicitated on your national TV with 'bravery' awards (pls correct me if i'm wrong). Since you tend to talk like an intellectual, would you like to give a logical explanation for the above? And, we are not discussing Farakka or the case of millions of illegal immigrants or the entry of smuggled goods or smuggled ISI operatives here. |
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Tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 37 of 88 ) appa DeepO bhava ... and rav666 how about women being raped by both the sides... every effing gun has a knife attached... just in case they run short of bullets... stop this raanDi rona... widow's whine... a few killing machine cum enemy rapist dying ain't no effing deal... ha!!! and it is not true that there r carnivals on martyres... bullshit... it is the effing position of power which gets all that rally... martyres r effing fuel to the throne. |
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rav666 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 38 of 88 ) Tatha, i'm not going to try to make sense out of most of what you've said. But the message that comes out of your post that our jawans dying a barbaric death is no big deal to you, is a very disturbing one indeed. I'll keep my fingers crossed for saner responses...... |
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Tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 39 of 88 ) appa DeepO bhava ... Sanity to me is to talk about welfare of human beings n not warfare n security concerns... (soldiers rn't human... read them as killing machines without the mind of their own... conditioned more or less a kinda parasite). 65, 000 Crores on defence... it is all a big con business mate... Saner responses i hope u get from Dubya the jaahil baboon, or the bulldozer Sharon or our own Dara Singh Bhajpayee... i am keeping me those crossed... why only jawans at the fences are ur concens ... what about those innocent people who keep running for a safe place somewhere... with their children in their arms... while the state displays its might at ur expense... a 100 thousand people dying in Kashmir... last time round they did chandaa... collected charity in the name of Kargil... did anybody talk about the human suffering... but guys u all have devices working on u... nationalism... n either u may be believing that a cow is ur mother... or Popa one big father... or some non-sense like that... n would somebody throw light on Gorkha regiment... or the one which used as a 'chaaraa' in order to con the enemy... n perhaps they are told... that ur heaven is certain... lol... |
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Tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 40 of 88 ) appa DeepO bhava WHEREAS DISREGARD AND CONTEMPT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS HAS RESULTED IN BARBAROUS ACTS WHICH HAVE OUTRAGED THE CONSCIENCE OF MANKIND.... It has two implications in it. One is that the people who made this declaration have accepted that humanity is civilized. That's why once in a while if there is any barbarous act, those human beings in the world -- the whole of mankind -- suffers in conscience, feels the pain, the anguish. Both are lies, because I don't see humanity having any conscience. When Mohammedans kill Hindus, no Mohammedan thinks that he has done wrong -- the question of conscience does not arise. In fact, according to his religion he has done some virtuous act. He was trying to convert the Hindus to Mohammedanism, because if you are not a Mohammedan you cannot enter paradise. He was trying to help you in every possible way, to smuggle you, rightly or wrongly, into paradise. From the front door or from the back door, it doesn't matter. But you are resistant, you don't want to go to paradise, you are determined to go to hell -- that's why he prevents you, he beheads you: It is better to be killed by the hands of a religious Mohammedan. The KORAN says, "The man who is killed by a Mohammedans will enter paradise, just as the Mohammedans who have killed him will enter paradise." So they are really trying to save people from going to hell -- why should they feel any pain in their conscience? |
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Tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 41 of 88 ) appa DeepO bhava No Hindu feels it, no Christian feels it. Christians have killed more people than anybody else, and particularly they have burned living people. Others have been killing and then burning; Christianity has a shortcut. Why make it in two parts? When the book can be published in one book, why make two volumes? First kill the man and then burn him? -- burn him directly! Thousands of people have been burned alive. I don't see anywhere that anybody is outraged. If people are outraged things will change -- because who is doing them? We are doing them. This sentence in the beginning of the declaration is such a lie. First it says, "Barbarous acts...." In fact, in these fifty years we have done more barbarous acts than in the whole history of man. In ten thousand years we have not been able to do so many barbarous activities as we have done just within fifty years. We are becoming more and more barbarous -- of course with a style and method. Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- what do you think? Are these barbarous acts, or an effort to send the beautiful people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima directly to paradise together? Whole cities, more than two hundred thousand people, entered within five minutes. I don't think there was ever such a crowd at the gates of paradise. And it was America that was responsible for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It is now absolutely confirmed by the people who understand military science that dropping the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely useless. Japan was already surrendering -- Germany had surrendered and now there was no question that Japan could go on fighting; not for more than one week, or maybe not even that long. Seeing that Germany was finished, Japan could not fight alone. It is a small country of very courageous people, brave people but a very small country. It was fighting with the support of Germany, and when the main support disappeared.... Japan was going to surrender. And this was the fear of President Truman of America: Japan may surrender tomorrow; then he will miss the chance to drop the atom bombs. And they had put so much money and energy and genius into creating atom bombs, they wanted to try them. Man is not important, but money.... Their bombs had to be tried. |
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Tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 42 of 88 ) appa DeepO bhava And you say that because of barbarous acts, the civilized people feel a prick of conscience. Was President Truman a civilized man or not? Even his own military experts had told him that it was absolutely meaningless, unnecessarily destroying human life. But he went ahead. The next morning hundreds of journalists had gathered at the White House to see President Truman, because world's greatest catastrophe created by man had happened. Their first question was, "Mr. President, did you have a good sleep in the night?" -- because he had gone to bed only after he had received the message: "Hiroshima and Nagasaki are in smoke, they are no longer on the map of the earth." Then he went to bed; otherwise he waited for the news to reach him. He said, "Yes, I slept more peacefully than ever, because our experiment has succeeded. Now we are the greatest power in the world." And you are talking about conscience? More than two hundred thousand people died within three minutes, and the man whose order killed them, slept very `peacefully,' as he had never slept before. And if this is the situation of President `True-Man,' then what about the people who are not such true men? As far as I am concerned, civilization is still a dream, a hope, a utopia. And if we don't get into the tricks of the magician, and start believing that we are civilized people, the hope can become a reality, the dream can become a concrete experience. |
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thetruth 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 43 of 88 ) Tathagat , u bloody bastrd , u r a disgrace to INDIA . I sincerely belive ur heart is in PAKISTAN or BANGLADESH . U have nothing but hatred forIndia . WHY DONt u go to ur paradise Pakistan or Bangladesh . Only people like u support the killings of BSF jawans . Anyway , I don't have the money to surf the net now and then like u . So I cannot post longer replies |
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thetruth 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 44 of 88 ) Tathagat , then if christains are killing muslims , i will support them . As muslims are spreading the virus of terrorism , hatred all over the world .. finshing them off is really a service to the WORLD ( i m following ur logic mr tathagat , as u proved killing hindus by muslims is really praiseworthy ) . So HAIL ISRAEL , HAIL USA ...... And in this world only the fittest will survive . A tiny country like ISRAEL defeated six muslim countries . It proves JEWS are must better then u muslims . So they will survive , u won't . Any way to the modern world JEWS have lots of contribution . They have Einsteins , Freuds , speilbergs . You have Ladens ( this islamic hero is hiding in the caves of Afganistan ) , Saddams ( this hero reduced to zero in the gulf war ) , mulla OMAR ( visionary of the modern islamic world , he prohibits u to get photographed , to watch TV , really a great visionary ) . So mr. Tathagat don't cry hoarse . This a fact that u people haven't won a single war in the last 250 yrs and never u will . Can u defeat ISAREL , INDIA , GERMAN , USA or CHINA ? |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 45 of 88 ) Hi Tathagat, Thanks for the refreshing messages you have posted. I honestly believe there are people like you in every country who can think constructively, with a wider perspective. There is no point in blaming each other, that will only drag us down. Why can't we think and talk about mutually beneficial projects that will feed our people, give them education and ensure health and welbeing. Anomosity, hatred and lack of trust will benefit a handful of people and they will continue to oppose any such move. But if we can proceed together with a vision for the future, that will take the billions of people of the subcontinent forward. In Bangladesh, there is a man called Prof. Yunus who is making miracles happen, simply by giving poor people a chance in life (founder of the Grameen Bank). This is people power. Have you ever imagined what potential this part of the world could have if we can have everyby educated and skilled. With such a huge hardworking population, this is could be a real economic powerhouse. |
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rajonln 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 46 of 88 ) It's really fun to discuss whether India is soft or not, we can say Indian's are soft but there should always be some exception. B4 taking such topic to discuss we should think and remember the events which are recently happened in India (Babri masjid – just for the heck of establish one party, it follows Hindu Muslim communal clash in-between Jesus never fails). if we all think positively everything will be looks like soft, but the fact is the fact is the fact. In religious sense, India may be peaceful 'coz now a days all ashrams etc. are encouraging sex, obviously some exception. No matter what, age - not a problem, opposite sex - fine, homo welcome, les it's wonderful. Our prime aim is all we need peaceful, yes sometime peaceful become physiological need. Here I went thru the openions posted by us, most of the messages it shows that “I’M INDIAN”, we just leave the crown and think, “is India soft state”? I feel that it’s really very hard to say No, but I can’t say yes. Ok Let me stop here, Don’t think that soft or not, try to be a human being the result will be soft, not sure. Most of us doesn't know what means "try to be human being". :-) |
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balajis 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 47 of 88 ) Is India a soft state? Yes & No. Well to be frank I am confused. It really hurts my ego (Every thing else, which others say is crap) when the tiny – miniscule nation like Bangladesh gets into the barbaric act against us. But can we run the nation by simple emotions? Can we start the war, b'cos the majority of the citizens are emotionally hurt. What abt rationalization?. What will we achieve by decimating Pakistan or Bangladesh? Will it shoot up our literacy rate overnight or will it provide basic amenities to millions of Indians, who still lack them after 50 years of independence or will it reduce our fiscal deficit. I believe any sort of aggression is pain in the arse for the nation in the years to come. I feel if u r not highly powerful like China or US (Both of them are master hypocrites) u cannot occupy any piece of land outside your international borders. So if u do not occupy the land, u don't control it. Indian army will walk out of Bangladesh (In case of a war) & then West Bengal & Tripura will become the second Kashmir & Punjab. The prize we are paying for Kashmir is much more than straightforward war. Let the cynics cry & make all kind of noises. I believe nation is made of people & nation building is building the life’s of people living there. Let’s together build a strong economic & cultural India. Lets do things which we have not done for past 50 years. Jai Hind |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 48 of 88 ) I would ask my friends in India to read the following article on www.tehelka.com: "When 'friendly' neighbours resort to guns" written by P.R. Chari, Director, Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies, New Delhi. |
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009 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 49 of 88 ) My friend tathgat is been shunned or what?!!! he can't seem to log in. FreeSpeech Admn. pl. answer? |
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Admin 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 50 of 88 ) No, we have not done anything to ban or shun Tathagat, unless some hacker got worked up about his sheer prolificity and has decided to do something about it. Attempted jocularity aside, since lots of you have written in asking about Ignore User function, it is now possible to blank out messages by someone you do not want to read. We are sorry that many features of Free Speech are yet to be fully optimised and we look forward to your bearing with us. We hope Tathagat is able to log in. |
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tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 51 of 88 ) tathagat is back... following msg after the password verification n welcome... Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a005e' Invalid use of Null: 'split' /submain1.asp, line 1443 |
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One 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 52 of 88 ) India is a SOFT STATE. Inspite of it WE DONT'T have any WARM RELATION with any of our NEIGHBOURS. I wonder what might it be if we took tougher decisions against our neighbours. T H I N K G U Y S ! ! |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 53 of 88 ) That's exactly the point I wanted to make. Why some country has to be tough or soft as long as it's following logical and reasonable policies. There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with Indian foreign policy. |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 54 of 88 ) I mean the case of India's not having warm relations with any of its neighbours. |
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nishant 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 55 of 88 ) Indian policy is the policy of cawardice since Nehrurian era. And Vajpee is trying to immitate being double Nehrurian. Thanks to Coward Leaders. Again, you have leaders as that of People. Second unfortunate of India(And people) is that its Army is brave and babushahi which has command over it is opposite. There are many examples of it. 1. Remember, When Indian Army marched till Lahor in war with Pakistan and had more than 1 Lakh of Pakistan surrending to it. This is an excellent example of bravery of defence forces. They have done what is expected from them. But when mater went on table, the Babus fail to exploit such a good opportunity to get agreed Pak on various disputes. 2. And Bangladesh, its been more than 40 years, the borders are disputed...what do you say ? Indecisiveness of Nation.. I don't understand, why leader don't dare to take tough decisions ? Policy of these have remain to put a issue in coldstorage and enjoy their tems... 3. Pakistan is intruding the India..I think Pak is correct.. It is doing what a nation should do enemy country. I would have proud if I were Pakistani. What is the prime duty of Prime Minister ? To protect nation..but he is crying in Parlament when Terrorist kill 100-200 people in Kashmir. He is failing in his duty...not Pak.. 4. I would put a question..What answer you would give to family of Solder died if you were Primeminister ? If your answer is that "Bangaldesh govt. is working to punish the responsible."..If so..you have wasted your time reading this.. |
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nishant 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 56 of 88 ) I would make it more correct and Straight.. "Policy of Coward" |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 57 of 88 ) I am not sure whether it's a "policy of coward". At least not so keeping in mind India's messing around with LTTE in it's initial years. Of course now it's a different story altogether when LTTE has grown to such a strength even India cannot control. It needs rethinking. |
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tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 58 of 88 ) One hot day, Nasruddin was taking it easy in the shade of a walnut tree. After a time, he started eying speculatively, the huge pumpkins growing on vines and the small walnuts growing on a majestic tree. Sometimes I just can't understand the ways of God! he mused. Just fancy letting tinny walnuts grow on so majestic a tree and huge pumpkins on the delicate vines! Just then a walnut snapped off and fell smack on Mullah Nasruddin's bald head. He got up at once and lifting up his hands and face to heavens in supplication, said: "Oh, my God! Forgive my questioning your ways! You are all-wise. Where would I have been now, if pumpkins grew on trees! http://www.sysindia.com/emagazine/mulla/mulla.html |
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thetruth 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 59 of 88 ) nishant u r correct . bangladesh need not be our friend . it must be punished . bangladesh owe its independence to india . beccause of india's help , bangladesh is not a slave of pakistan today . now see what those ungrateful bastards r doing to india . they r killing our people and soldiers . around 2 crores illegal bangladeshis r illegaly residing in india with the support of the pseudo-secular brigade . they must be sent back to bangladesh , or must be sent to heaven or hell . |
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One 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 60 of 88 ) thetruth AGAIN HATE. OH GOD HELP THIS PERSON. NO HOPE FOR YOU BROTHER/SISTER. |
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Tathagat 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 61 of 88 ) appa DeepO bhava Mama, take this badge offfaa me I can't use it anymore. It's gettin' dark, too dark for me to see I feel like I'm knockin' on heaven's door. Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door Mama, put my guns in the ground I can't shoot them anymore. That long black cloud is comin' down I feel like I'm knockin' on heaven's door. Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door http://orad.dent.kyushu-u.ac.jp/dylan/song.html |
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ap 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 62 of 88 ) Flood the valley with 5-6millions of Indian citizens (We are a billion strong), Pakis have done that in POK, China has done the same in their Xzjang province to scuttel seperatist's . Why not India? change the demographic makeup of kashmir and peace will arrive. It will be better for kashmiri who will benifit toofrom investment . Who are the stupid "freedom wanting" kashmiri kidding? they will be annexed by pakis to create talabini afganistani type state should any crap like soft boarder or autonomus nonsense is pussyfooted with? So flood it with 5million odd Indians and end of story , every one lives better. Anything else is just half bakes scatter brain talk . Like it or not if we want a solution flooding kashmir with indians is the solution. After all every indian citizen is paying for kashmiri subsudies for last 50yrs from tax money. Why cant we not buy land etc..??? Cut the crap and flood the state. |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 63 of 88 ) There seems to be something fundamentally wrong in India's policy towards its neighbours. The result is the omnipresent "anti-India" sentiment in Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. All these three countries have experienced something common in the recent past. Here some points: 1. India doesn't appreciate the idea of regional cooperation. Although the richest and strongest country in South Asia, it has never taken any significant initiative to lead this region. On the contrary, it prefers to deal issues with its neighbours on a bilateral basis. Examples: lukeworm attitude towards SAARC, and its offshoot SAPTA. In fact, SAARC was oroginally proposed by Bangladesh and supported by Nepal. 2. Does not like it's neighbours to cooperate among themselves. Example: not allowing Nepal to use a port in Bangladesh through Indian territory. Result: Nepal's ever-dependence on Indian ports. 3. Doesn't appreciate that smaller countries can have minds of their own. Expects them to be "pro-India". If any country is not sufficiently "pro-India", labels it as "pro-China" or "pro-Pakistan". So doesn't realize that a country can be "pro-themselves". 4. Doesn't hesitate to create pressure on countries not satisfying all criteria of being sufficiently "pro-India". Examples: arming and training LTTE, blockading Nepal, arming insurgencies in Bangladesh, and diverting Ganges water away from Bangladesh. 5. Whenever something is not to their liking, sees ISI hands in it. Needless to say that this is not always the case and such a notion alienates a neighbouring country even more. It is no secret that Pakistan is in a state of bankrupcy and it is only India in this region who has the capabilities to do something positive for all. So it is totally beyond logic that a smaller country will collaborate with Pakistan against India. Especially when nobody has a common border with Pakistan but everybody has one with India. Just imagine if the relations among all these countries were congenial, India could have emerged as even more a respected country. India's cooperation during Bangladesh's independence war and it's getting a test playing status in cricket is greatly appreciated. I only wish if this could happen in other sectors as well. |
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rav666 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 64 of 88 ) Sputnik, you are back to your India-bashing ways. Don't you see something 'fundamentally wrong' in the policies of your country - for example: - Could you pls explain the brutality committed on the 16 Indian soldiers? Even POWs and hostages have received better deals from enemy nations. - every country in the world has a vigilant immigration strategy - try infiltrating US or UK? But when India wants to fence its borders, there's outrage all around. Mumbai maybe a lucrative destination - but infiltration cannot be demanded as a right. We have our own hungry millions to feed. - you whine about armed insurgencies against Bangladesh. But by your own admission (....this is not always the case? Does that mean this could be the case most of the times??) Bangladesh provides a fertile ground for ISI operatives to carry out their (mis)deeds. You want some kind of double-standards or what? Do some introspection buddy, before pointing fingers..... |
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sputnik 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 65 of 88 ) Hello rav666, I am sorry if I haven't myswlf clear. My whole point was to say that India being the strongest and most prosperous country in this region, the responsibility on its shoulders is also the greatest. Please note that I have all the respect for Indian democracy and many other things. You are absolutely right in raising some relevant points in your message. 1. The brutal killing of BSF soldiers must be condemned in the strongest possible terms. And an investigation must be conducted to find out the responsible persons. In fact, within Bangladesh itself there are similar opinions published in newspapers. 2. I fully appreciate India's policy to stop illegal immigrants. Perhaps building a fence or tighter control will have an added benefit of stopping smuggling as well. 3. When I said about ISI "... this is not always the case. ..." I meant "I don't know" and/or "for argument's sake". Please understand that Bangladesh is just as fed up and disgusted as India with Pakistan's nefarious activities in this region and elsewhere. You might have heard about the expulsion of a Pakistani diplomat from Dhaka last December. 4. Before 1971 Pakistan used to train and arm rebels in NE India through SE Bangladesh. That was part of their policy. But you must realize that the moment Bangladesh decided to become a separate state of its own, it took a fundamentally different policy of living in peace with India. However, since there are always people who were being benefitted from such clandestine activities, they will always try co continue with whatever they have been doing for so long. 4. I fully agree that Bangladesh itself has many problems within itself and these must be corrected (such as blaming India for everything on earth!). 5. However, it hurts me when someone says without any evidence that "Bangladesh has become a fertile ground for ISI activities". ISI may have some operations in Bangladesh (Please don't get me wrong again, I mean I don't know and it's just a possibility), but a "fertile ground" seems a little too much to say. We all need to look at ourselves and do whatever we can. May I draw your attention in this respect to the recently held anti-communalism and anti-fundamentalism conference in Dhaka? Good people from all South Asian countries participated in this event. |
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kamal 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 67 of 88 ) India looks like free prostitute. Srilankan Tigers killed our best prime minister. Bangladesis killing our solders. China is biting our head. Pakistan is fucking left and right in kashmir. Yes, india is free prostitute. Who knows, tomorrow small country like maldivis can capture southern india. |
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Prem 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 68 of 88 ) Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra. Now I have heard it all -- I decide to log in here and read through Free Speech and find Mr. Kamal indulging in some real idiocies -- Our best prime minister? That Dosco chhokra Rajiv? The one who sent IPKF to Sri Lanka, the one who opened the Babri masjid gates for shila niyaas, the one who was oblivious to operation brass tacks or blue thunder or whatever the heck it was that brought us to a war with Pak, the one who meddled with National Conference and Jagmohan in J&K and fucked it up out of shape? Really, we seem to be becoming a nation of fuckwits (mine own seems fucked up big time after seeing such posts) |
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kamal 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 69 of 88 ) prem, Ok Rajiv was not a best prime minister but a good prime minister. He is the one who brought Sam Pitrado( world telecom CEO) to india for bringing best telecom infrastructure to India. He is the one who liberalised business policies and brought progress in economy. he is the one who brought information technology to india. I wonder when did we have war with pak. during rajiv's regime? lets update our history knowledge. |
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Prem 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 70 of 88 ) Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra. do me a favour, kamaal ki cheez, learn to read first, hokay? |
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1406 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 71 of 88 ) india has always been a baby in the international community a baby from whom any tom dick or harry can snach a candy and get away it may be the bangaladesh issue or the once upon a time african carnage of indians the government just does not do any thing if a national is killed any where outside india a country like israel which is surrounded by arabs boes not le the death of one of its soldier go futile if one of its soldier dies then at least 5 arabs are killed.Ithink india should not only import weapons frm israel but some attitude and some killer instinct |
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Nabarun 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 72 of 88 ) Not only are we a soft state (and getting softer by the minute) but worse we are a confused lot. We react to the Kargil incident by snapping ties with Pakistan in almost all aspects, yet, when the Butcher of Kargil comes visiting, we pretend as if Kargil was a bad dream. Not content with just inviting him, we open the checkpost in of all places J&K! Aren't we generous! And we can' seem to offer him enough of our CBMs. And what do we get in return - the Butcher bypassing the Indian Govt. and inviting the Hurriyat and saying that the Shimla Agreement is, well - useless. And how do we punish B'desh for the BSF killings? By starting an Agartala to Dhaka bus service. The Kargil and the BSF incidents are the legacy of the times when India was the Happy Hunting Ground of fellows like Nadir Shah and Mahmud of Ghazni. 600 years hasn't seen much change in us Indians. |
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avinash 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 73 of 88 ) soft state? are u kidding? We're marshmallows. I've been in Boston for a while now, and find it of particular interest to see how the US media and people percieve India.You'd be amazed and ashamed to know that while China, who, I as an India believe are really not that much better off than us other than in their amazing attitude and take-no-shit approach, is treated and percieved with the same caution and respect as the erstwhile USSR in the '60s, we are generally never spoken of in any context other than India-Pakistan Kashmir.We give our unconditional support to missile defence, but haven't the guts to negotiate a sanction removal . And why the hell not?During the EP3 plane crisis, I was appalled to read an artice in Times of India glorifying what would have been India's response to a similar situation. It was directed at showing the ameriacns- "see, see, uncle uncle, we are good boys, we would never do that. give us a pat.bad bad chinese. we are good boys" China got america to its knees. we're scared of the beggar bangladeshis. a country that wouldn't have been around if not for us. indian foreign policy at its gandhian best. appease one. appease all. just make sure u get atleast one pat on the back before u sleep. please.please uncle. i'm a good marshmallow boy. god, i'm ashamed. |
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One 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 74 of 88 ) Hello 1406 Everyone in the world including Europe, African countries, Arab countries(of course),eastern countries,Rusia,the Americas except for USA is condemning Israeli tactics and are getting enraged by the crimes it is committing. If not for USA, Israel would have been damped by the world society. And your saying we should be like that nation. Why not be a country like canada, France,Australia who talk peace with everyone and make everyone freinds. |
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kamal 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 75 of 88 ) Hello One, So far india, have been following what you have been called as peace and friendship, in return we got 3 wars with pakistan, one with china and srilanka & bangladesh are kicking in our but. Do u still india wants to follow the same strategy. Man u donot have self image, self respect and dignity. The above said should be followed by pakistan, china, srilanka and bangladesh first. India will be more than happy to reciprocate with better peace and friendship. |
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nishant 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 76 of 88 ) Now close this issue... India is not one time but Hundered times "A SOFT STATE". Any tom and herry can kill indians. What Indian Primeministar can do is "Strong Condemnation!!!". These Primeminister/Top officials are "Chakkas" feeling safety in this Z-grade security and pretend themselves as great strategists. And I think, all mothers have stop breast feeding their childs since a long time. But one thing is sure. If we even change our attitude, Hindustan will become history. Getup man(??) How many are there (?????) |
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Tiger 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 77 of 88 ) Soft State, We can say INDIA, a tiger which is running as soon as some hyenas appear in front of it. We are telling the world we have a Ocean going Navy and we send the ships to south china sea and "to send signals to CHINA". But we can use them against Afganistan when they made us to knee before them during Indian Airline crisis. Either we should have eliminated the terrorist or we should have bombed the plane itself without giving the terrorist a inch. But our hounarable external affairs minister escorted the terrorist for exchange. Neither the Americans nor any country which thinks abt self respect will do that. Bangladesh, small country which is other half of one of our state is wagging their tail after poking their finger in our nose? We still can't do any? If it is Israel they would have sent the BDR Cheif farewell from his home, from this world itself. We Indians keep on telling "We epect the Bangladesh govt to take action". Pakistan, I dont know what the hell in this earth is detering out politicians to start another front in the border and bombart each and every installation for each and every shell and militants venturing into Kashmir. First of all why we have left norhthern Area and portion of Kashmir under pakistan for 50 Years. Seeing India wont take any initiative to reclaim the occupied J&Kashmir China occupied some. Tommorow Nepal will occupy some portion. Only solution for the survival of India, a place for everyone can live peacefully is "Attack, Attack"... conquer entire Pakistan and eliminate each and every militants, so called commanders of the militant groups, sponsors and entire top brass of the pakistan army and make pakistan an Japan of India with armed forces for internal duty alone. We have to do that now...other wise once pakistan comes out of the current economic turmoil probably with the help of gulf states, world will stand against us. We have to pull the teeth out of the snake, Pakistan before it bite us. Will our politicians will do? Whether they have guts? Whether they have self respect? Cheers INDIAN |
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One 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 78 of 88 ) Kamal bhaiyya What you say is that everyone is bad and India is good. Look, Everyone cannot be wrong. And Mr. Tiger, Afghanistan had never been our enemy after its independence. Its only us who have decided to make them our enemy. The same we are doing with Nepal, Bangladesh, China and Sri Lanka. The only enemy that we have had has been Pakistan. We should rather make strong ties with all the other countries I mentioned, then only can tame Pakistan using the other neighbours. A man cannot make a whole neighbourhood enemies all because one CROOK. |
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One 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 79 of 88 ) Continuing from above ... The fucking Pakis used Afghanistan during the hijacking episode. Our great external affairs minister praises the Afghan authorities and Thanks them for their help. But when he returns to Delhi he simply blames them (to free his oun shoulders).A total immature form of diplomacy. What Pakis did was created hostility between Afg. and India so that the Taliban(who are mostly Pakistanis rulin over Afghans) can easily grow stronger. India had been supporting anti-Talib forces of the north until then. |
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One 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 80 of 88 ) Continuing from above ... The reason why all our neighbours are kicking our butts is beacuse Pakistan tries to be better with these countries. Simply because their leaders mainly Musharraf are smart and tireless. They keep on having freindly activites with them very often. And whenever we see any country being freindly with Pakistan we start hating that country. Wwe should rather be freindlier and more better with them because these countries will gain more if they better relations with India than with Pakistan. |
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Prem 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 81 of 88 ) Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra. One saab, why not post the above in one message instead of unncessarily dividing it into three? That would have been, to use your phrase, "more better". |
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kamal 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 82 of 88 ) One, In safaris, Deer will be killed by Lions, Tigers, Cheetah and Fox. According to your analogy, All lions, tigers, cheetah and fox cannot be bad. Only one animal can be bad either lion or tigers or cheetah or fox. Your argument is like this. For me, with respect to deer, all are bad. If you cannot understand this logic, sorry i cannot help you. Anyway, thanks for calling me bhaiyya. |
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One 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 83 of 88 ) Look Kamal Bhaiyya You are one of the millions of people of India who are still living under the JUNGLE LAW!!!!! What you are talking makes no logic in our lives.(which is nowhere in the jungle) |
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AGNI 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 84 of 88 ) I SUSPECT HARDLINERS IN THE GOVERNMENT CAN HANDLE SUCH ISSUES BETTER IF THEY ARE GIVEN FREEDOM. |
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AGNI 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 85 of 88 ) Why should we look for the World's(US)approval? Dont we have the capacity and guts to avenge such crimes from Rougue nations?What are we getting from this kind of diplomacy? We who suffered the most in the world from terrorism are not being considered to play an important role,which we rightfully deserve, in the war which America says its doing against Terrorism. |
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Ravan 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 86 of 88 ) There is not a leaf in this world that will flutter without America knowing about it, or it's approval. As usual, you Indians live in a state of denial and fatalism. For 20 years you all have had a tiny country like Pakistan (whose whole reason for existance is hatred towards India - the Afghanis, Iranis etc. call them Punjabi cockroaches) kill your people, and you all sit and talk about terrorism, etc. Loha Lohe ko kaat ta hai! |
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Ravan 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 87 of 88 ) India is a SOFT STATE! It always has been as there is no unity, despite talk of it being an ancient civilization. Bunch of SAND NIGGERS as the Brits called us! Wake up India, hello, hello, anybody home? |
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Ravan 5/4/2001 7:16:37 PM ( 88 of 88 ) I still have not heard from you Desis. As usual, you all are cowards, and until a Pakistani fucks your own sister or Mother you all will never wake up. You all have allowed this for a 1000 years. Need I go on.....? |
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