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India a software super power ? kkn 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM We frequently read this phrase in the news papers and in the internet.Can we really claim ourselves as a software super power ? Are we innovating anything in software ? are we building new products ? our major companies are just satisfied doing software services to foreign companies. There is no doubt that software services industry is lucrative and it generates the much needed jobs in India, but why aren't our major companies start developing their own products ? |
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kkn 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 1 of 31 ) Let me give an example, we all know that internet is evolving rapidly in India and India Internet service providers are going to need lots of networking equipments, presently these ISPs need to buy these equipments from US companies. Because of the dollar rupee exchange rates these are going to be immensly expensive (which **may** become a reason for slow down in expansion in future), why not our Indian companies develop a 'Indian router', so to say and sell it Indian ISPs ? If Japanese and Korean companies (Hitachi and Samsung) can develop their own equipments and sell it in their own country why not Indian companies do it ? Are Indian companies not willing to face the marketing muscle of US companies in India ? but in the US every small startup is facing and winning this competition from HUGE companies, if those small companies could do that why not our big Indian companies do that in India ? Many of the Indian software companies get projects from US companies and execute them in India, but they cannot act independently, for each and every action they will have to take the permission of their US managers, it is basically doing what is being dictated from abroad, is this the sign of a super power ? Take a small country like Israel, they innovate a lot in software, many hi tech companies are based in Israel with only a marketing branch in the US. If they could do it why not Indian companies ?Is the infamous inferiority complex of the collective Indian psyche (refer Francois Gautier's articles in the Internet) creeping into Indian software industry also ? |
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thetruth 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 2 of 31 ) no way . name an OS developed in india .... |
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tathagat 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 3 of 31 ) ...our guys got no enterprise... and no proper funding... so they are used as skilled labor... Our IdiotBoxNoose hasn't named the Cyclone yet... another failure in offing just in case it hits... CNN n USAToday sites also have good info on it. :( FAQ : HURRICANES, TYPHOONS, AND TROPICAL CYCLONES http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/tcfaqHED.html What Is A Hurricane? Hurricanes are part of a family of weather systems known as "tropical cyclones." The word hurricane is from the West Indian word hurricane, meaning "big wind." A hurricane begins its life as a disorganized storm system which forms over warm, tropical waters in the Atlantic. When the storm system become more organized, it is classified as a "tropical depression," and given a number by the National Hurricane Center. If the winds in a tropical depression grow in intensity to 40mph, it is re- classified as a "tropical storm," and it receives a name. When the winds in the storm reach 75mph (120kph), the storm is upgraded to a hurricane. The winds of a hurricane are structured around a central "eye", which is an area that is free of clouds and relatively calm. Around this "eye" area, storm clouds wrap in a counter-clockwise motion. This "eyewall" of clouds, wind and rain, is the most destructive part of the storm. In fact, it is the eyewall that creates the eye, since the rapid spinning clouds in the wall reduce the pressure in the eye and suck out any clouds that may be there. Hurricanes are usually compact storms, with maximum wind velocities extending out 10 to 100km from the eye. Of course, one can still experience gale-force winds as much as 300 miles out from the eye, which is why everyone in the Gulf Coast area is concerned when a hurricane comes a-calling. Names for hurricanes Time was when all hurricanes were given women’s names. The notion was that the storms are totally unpredictable, just like women. That was changed in 1991, and now both male and female names are used. Here are the names for 1996: Arthur, Bertha, Cesar, Dolly, Edouard, Fran, Gustav, Hortense, Isidore, Josephine, Kyle, Lili, Marco, Nana, Omer, Paloma, Rene, Sally, Teddy, Vicky, Wilfred http://www.yatcom.com/neworl/weather/whatis.html Over the years, "storm surge" flooding was the major cause of hurricane deaths, but has accounted for only about a half dozen hurricane from 1970 through 2000 thanks to better forecasts and evacuations. But, surge is still a potential killer and is the primary reason coastal areas are evacuated. Howling winds around the hurricane's eye create storm surge by piling water up. In the deep ocean, this dome of water sinks and harmlessly flows away. But as a storm nears land, the rising sea floor blocks the water's escape and it comes ashore as deadly storm surge. An intense hurricane can send a dome of water more than 18 feet deep ashore as the storm hits land. |
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rav666 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 4 of 31 ) The latest on IT front - Infosys boss wants the freedom to 'hire & fire' to remain competitive. Any comments? |
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tathagat 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 5 of 31 ) ... its been named 0A1 or something... n its passed Goa heading for Maharashtra.. wind speed 140 - 160 kmph... reported NDTV... yet still no name informed... lol. Har shaakH pe ulloo baithey heiN.... How does the damage that hurricanes cause increase as a function of wind speed? Or to rephrase the question: Would a minimal 74 mph hurricane cause one half of the damage that a major hurricane with 148 mph winds? No, the amount of damage (at least experienced along the U.S. mainland) does not increase linearly with the wind speed. Instead, the damage produced increases exponentially with the winds. The 148 mph hurricane (a category 4 on the Saffir-Simpson Scale) may produce - on average - up to 250 times the damage of a minimal category 1 hurricane! |
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tathagat 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 6 of 31 ) ... its called 01A... off the coast... beeb reported it to be 200 kmph... the speed reduces after hitting the coast... more than 8 hours on... its still without a name here on our IdiotBoxNooses... now heading for Gujarat... Indiatimes got big ambitious plan with Pepsi n Lagaan promotion n all... but perhaps web x'pert at TOI are of as good a quality as this country... the pages aren't caught in catch... meaning an access to TOI is as expensive as paper edition... its also comes online on a bullockcart... har shaakH pe... lol. |
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Tathagat 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 7 of 31 ) appa DeepO bhava .... super mallichh... to super dehaati... tribals... ruling the roost... 10 dozen media person who don't even know the effing language (Urdu)... Sonali Verma 2 Nidhi RaazdaaN of NDTV, Yashwant Deshmukh of Sahara's Pratidin... all these immature brahmin kids on poorieTak, BJP mouthpiece... disasters 2 pure butchery of the beautiful language called Urdu... if these tribals can't rhym fine than do not compromise on quality... go for those whose tongues are refined... n eduacted in real sense. U r not 10% of the software superpower as u like 2 think... lol... bulaDi chapraasies... 4th day n god know how many hours later the cyclone is still without a name... lol... Beeb n PTV called it by its name... 01A.. that is... hazaar paapers reported it... half of them have printed photos as well but the name of the cyclone is missing from all of them... how true was Ghaalib 170 years ago, when he said... bas ke dushwaar hey har kaam ka aasaaN hona/ aadmi ko bhi mayassar nahiN insaaN hona... but these baboon aren't even aadmi... as yet... lol... what ever ghar jamais of PTI n UNI reports... they publish with their eyes closed... lazy bums. Our jaahil weathermen ... using words as 'will hit', as if they know for sure... lol... har shaakh pe ulloo baithan hey... check this page ageen... http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/tcfaqD.html#D7 |
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Tathagat 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 8 of 31 ) appa DeepO bhava Why are tropical cyclones named? Tropical cyclones are named to provide ease of communication between forecasters and the general public regarding forecasts, watches, and warnings. Since the storms can often last a week or longer and that more than one can be occurring in the same basin at the same time, names can reduce the confusion about what storm is being described. According to Dunn and Miller (1960), the first use of a proper name for a tropical cyclone was by an Australian forecaster early in this century. He gave tropical cyclone names "after political figures whom he disliked. By properly naming a hurricane, the weatherman could publicly describe a politician (who perhaps was not too generous with weather-bureau appropriations) as 'causing great distress' or 'wandering aimlessly about the Pacific.'" (Perhaps this should be brought back into use ;-) During World War II, tropical cyclones were informally given women's names by US Army Air Corp and Navy meteorologists (after their girlfriends or wives) who were monitoring and forecasting tropical cyclones over the Pacific. From 1950 to 1952, tropical cyclones of the North Atlantic Ocean were identified by the phonetic alphabet (Able-Baker-Charlie-etc.), but in 1953 the US Weather Bureau switched to women's names. In 1979, the WMO and the US National Weather Service (NWS) switched to a list of names that also included men's names. The Northeast Pacific basin tropical cyclones were named using women's names starting in 1959 for storms near Hawaii and in 1960 for the remainder of the Northeast Pacific basin. In 1978, both men's and women's names were utilized. The Northwest Pacific basin tropical cyclones were given women's names officially starting in 1945 and men's names were also included beginning in 1979. Beginning on 1 January 2000, tropical cyclones in the Northwest Pacific basin are being named from a new and very different list of names. The new names are Asian names and were contributed by all the nations and territories that are members of the WMO's Typhoon Committee. These newly selected names have two major differences from the rest of the world's tropical cyclone name rosters. One, the names by and large are not personal names. There are a few men's and women's names, but the majority are names of flowers, animals, birds, trees, or even foods, etc, while some are descriptive adjectives. Secondly, the names will not be allotted in alphabetical order, but are arranged by contributing nation with the countries being alphabetized. http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/tcfaqB.html#B1 |
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kkn 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 9 of 31 ) way to go India ..... http://www.business-standard.com/today/corp11.asp?Menu=2 |
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rohit 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 10 of 31 ) It's cynical and negative to say that India is not a software power just because we don't have software products to our credit. Developing products is a risky game, involving lot of investment, but more of marketing. That's precisely why Microsoft is the undisputed winner. It dictates to the market. At the same time, product development also requires R&D and one might say that Indian companies r not very strong in this front because their focus is on services. Indian companies r not too cash rich to afford such business risks. Also they r still in the process of establishing their brand image (for ex. Japan in electronics). however, MNCs r now focussing on R&D in India, and have put in major investments (Lucent, HP, SUN, name any Siliconvalley company!). India is fast emerging as an R&D hub for US based MNCs. hence, once the Indian software companies have significant market capitalisation, adding knowledge, experience, capital & an associated brand image, they can bank on the R&D experts available locally. Infosys has established a big brand image in USA. With increasing investments, collaboration and shuttling of Indians between US and India, NRI clout, etc, we r on the way towards becoming a software Super Power. |
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sss 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 11 of 31 ) India is a secondary or ancilliary to software super power USA. India doesnot develop own products reason Indian companies were behind in time and huge capital and marketing resources are needed.But Indian software successes prove certain things to developed countries.One is Indians also have one of best brains(and brains are not on colour of skin) .Indian business or brain got visibility on software /IT success,which only has visibilty in developed countries today.If you can give good service,even in non core areas ,you have achieved a lot.This success was without much support from government(and on sheer grit of few people without rsources,USA a lot of venture capital funds but not in India) and may be one of few services with reliable quality,but made in India label. |
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Tathagat 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 12 of 31 ) appa DeepO bhava ... Baboons on a bullockcart... Milosevic extradited... en route to Hague... to phase thee mujeek... our noose channelwallas sleeping... as usual... (whole effing world media missed the importance of the Human genome decoding story... n Bill n Blair had to announce it 2 catch attention... even that we missed both in Electronic idiotbox noose as well as print... Super power ha!... lol...) its effing breaking noose all over the globe... for more than 4 hours on... our channels still playing taped noose... lol... disorganised as everything else, 12 guys doin one man's job. Milosevic is done... a lot more guys needed to be tried for crime against humanity... Book Balls Thakrey for doing away 900 people... and Advani for 3000 murders... Two cruel sisters booked to hang is indeed good noose... when r u goin' 2 hang the Legit Veerappan Advani, and the ghaati legit Dawood Balls Thakrey ??? |
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sss 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 13 of 31 ) Software is a industry worth hundred of billions of dollar.India has become secondary power to USA in it.Software is more of a marketing success story of various technologies surviving on huge investments put by govt and MNC/private sector mainly in US on it.India advantage was cheap,efficient,english speaking labour.Indian companies can never develop and market good products for one for finance,second developed world will never accept a product of other countries easily(culture differences,software is a US,white thing).Indian companies vying for high value services should open subisdiaries in USA and hire white/local management.But best strategy is to concentrate on what you have done best.After strong growth,stagnation there(but companies are already pretty big by indian standards).So control main cost(employee salaries).They are quite good already by indian standards.Fixed plus variable component(on profits).Other country will take some time to catch,for India has software experience of a decade(it does matter),a brand image,and keep good relationships(networking ).And do what you have done,ancilliary to USA.Only USA compnanies have resources to market new upgrades,technolgies everywhere,who knows productivity increase is by retrenchemnt/or IT.But they sell a lot of it. |
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ssss 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 14 of 31 ) Indian software super power and most IT savvy CM has a famine problem.Funds were earmarked for IT infrastructure/optical fibres.But if one goes to hyderabad,fresh water comes one -two hours every two-three days.Some more rain,air port/roads gets water clogged.Electricity bills have increased more than 2-3 times after state obssession with software.Farmers commit sucuides for repayment problems of Rs 50000-Rs 1 lacs.Cannot software predict famines.Most states are eating/misutilising resources needed for irrigation projects etc.Basic needs of life are same even now.We are a worlds second software super power with problems of famine/corruption/infrastructure etc.Contradictions of life.Famines has become recurring in lot of Indian states.a topic for media to anlayse and put reasons/solutions etc.Can software gurus help or maybe USA can help hyderabad in solving problems of famine. |
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shivab 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 15 of 31 ) You see, a country becomes a superpower only if its an economic superpower and its citizens have complete faith in the judicial system. Its internal security that matters and not the billions we spend on external defense. This is a country where contracts cannot be enforced, disputes take a long time to be settled in court,and your money is never yours. Moreover human rights and respect for each other are at an abysmal low. How will you become a superpower in any field let alone in IT? Can you start a company and after working hard and making millions of dollars live in peace in this country? Can you do business without circumventing laws? Can you trust the stock market or the UTI not to finance abominable companies? Can you trust the Government to just do governance and keep its squalid hands off people who make money by hard work? This is a country which does not even computerize its judicial system despite the fact that rapid diaposal of cases is the need of the hour. Justice delayed is Justice denied.Upholding the law is everything. First lets make India a legal superpower and then we will become superpowers in different area including IT in right earnest. |
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rav666 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 16 of 31 ) shivab, I would not like to disagree with your description on the prevailing situation - however, I wish to differ on your inferences. The situation is definitely bleak on various counts, but if there have been IT successes (small by intl. stds. but definitely significant) it is because of the visionaries who swam against the tides and secured for themselves and for the country a place in the IT map. It is now left for the other industries / sectors to pick up their cues and replicate the IT success model in their respective industries. For starters, they could learn to stand on their feet and face global competition, instead of expecting perpetual protection from the govt. |
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ssss 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 17 of 31 ) India has become a land of share,financial,loan,fodder,pharma,counter feit goods,defence,public sector,road,dam,irrigation,religion ,rape,legal,police,rural lending scams,social welfare scams etc not to mention scams hidden in every state,central govt departments and private company.In short anyone who works in any place with eyes open can see scams,which generally have support of seniors/people at top(white collar educated scamsters).If one is not good at creating scams he cannot survive.Why? Because most of people at top or having power(various powers) have brains in creating scams and make money. Solution is not legal reforms,other reforms etc but reform in type of people who have power.Simple solution is People like confucius,chankaya or ethical,intelligent people needed to have power who can work for welfare of society .But those people in short (very minority in politics) and we have over supply of intelligent demons(visible/invisible) who work for themselves and brains at scams. So India is today a software superpower with lot of scams happening i.e super power where tehnology gurus and scamsters co exist.Let us see who wins?Can software help stop/solve scams of India/world. |
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nalin 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 18 of 31 ) Without a Chip Manufacturing Industry? With most HW used in developing SW imported? With barely 5-6 million Indians enjoying NET ACESSS? With 25% of the Indian population living below the poverty line and less than a sixth enjoying access to a phone connection in their homes? Which drunk coined this ridiculous notion that India is a superpower in anything other than baby-making? |
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rav666 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 19 of 31 ) >Without a Chip Manufacturing Industry? >With most HW used in developing SW imported? The above factors have not impeded a thriving US$8.3 billion industry which has been steadily growing @ 100% annually. We assist the Americans, Japanese and the Taiwanese in developing device drivers for their HW products. If that's something you can understand, you wouldn't be making these points. >With barely 5-6 million Indians enjoying NET ACESSS? >With 25% of the Indian population living below the poverty line and less than a sixth enjoying access to a phone connection in their homes? I fail to appreciate the relevance of above. The Indian IT Industry is not dependent on this 5-6 million. Extending this logic, Taiwan should consume all the hardware it produces and Japan - all the cars it makes. >Which drunk coined this ridiculous notion that India is a superpower in anything other than baby-making? You need to expand your knowledge beyond baby-making. Heard of something called 'niche'? And do you know that of the 49 companies worldwide that have been SEI CMM level 5 certified, 24 are from India? |
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mbhale 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 20 of 31 ) How can you call a county software superpower when you can't get a Laptop serviced reliably in India..??? Forget being Superpower, we are not even respected as professionals.. We are good body-shoppers..that's it.. |
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rav666 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 21 of 31 ) Too many people are too eager to list out the reasons why we can't be a super power (or whatever). With mindsets like these, we can forget becoming a super power even in baby-making. The famous Indian crab story at work? For more info on Indian crabs click here |
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Cleo 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 22 of 31 ) Hi rav , you are having a whale of a time! Nice to read your views. India ,if she isn't as yet a software super power is certainly on its way to getting there.. despite the government. The Indian brain is somehow exceedingly suited to the software industry and we will certainly lay our claim to super power status soon. We do not have the capital to pump into research or to thereafter market new products developed. With every passing success, with more transparency of accounting and a more effective arbitration and enforcement mechanism the capital will come and that will fuel us to super power status. Crabs notwithstanding ! |
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rav666 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 23 of 31 ) Hi cleo, glad that we could agree on this one. We do have some shortcomings in terms of the marketing and financial muscle due to which we will be confined to the lower rungs for a while - but no doubt we are moving up the value chain. Also, I understand the slowdown has propelled some research activity and we might see some interesting product offerings soon. One thing that surprises me is that we Indians are supposed to be sound in logic (as acknowledged by our IT successes), but it is hard to come by a logical argument in forums like these... that's a topic for another day I guess. Anyway, 'lehar' has been doing a good job of late. |
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Cleo 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 24 of 31 ) Hi rav ,good to read your views again. Yes, indeed,...we do agree on this one for sure !!!!... India IS on the road to being a software superpower.... Yes the slowdown has had positive impacts.....It is forcing our software companies to realise what it takes to successfully (and aggressively) carve out for themselves a place in the firmament of super stardom... whatever the negative impacts of globalisation and the US slowdown impacting our software sector.... our software industry is proving that they are yet capable to stake their claim to super power status....in this process there has been downsizing (where retraining is not working out).. there has been agression in marketing.. there has been emphasis on quality together with low priced service offerings...there has been a growing move towards development of software products in the Offshore development centres for marketting by bigger players... there has been greater transparency in accounting .. to attract the providers of capital ! I agree with you that logic seems to be disappearing in forums like these .... Also, what is a cause of concerin is that vulgarity seems to be turning out acceptable.. and not attracting censure ... both are worrisome..Thanks to people like you this forum is still worth visiting..! Do keep writing ! I agree with you 'lehar' has been doing a good job. Well let's hope that there is more of reasoned arguments going forward and less of vulgarity. |
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punitgm 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 25 of 31 ) Let's accept the bitter fact that we are just good body shoppers , not a IT SuperPower.A clear testimony to this fact is how many good and well read books are written by indian authors?(Be it Electronics or Computer-Science stream) |
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rags99 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 26 of 31 ) punit is right..rav and cleo..are just being hopelessly hopeful...typical indians..(by the way have u read the essays inth etime mag..abt achievements of india and pakin 54 yrs) software superposer..u must be kidding... we r just "DIGITAL SLAVES"..initially we were traded as sugercane slaves now we r being sent to differnt part of the world as digital slaves..dont u agree.. its slavery with coat and boot and a BMW thrown in..who wouldnt want taht..;-).. foget superpower..we need to work hard to get ur place in th esun..no point buling the MNC of US...we need MNCs from india.. wa say u all..;-)) |
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Tathagat 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 27 of 31 ) appa DeepO bhava ...arrrey ye Biju da chhoraa chaaloo ahey miyaaN... Naveen (New) is his name... but he is as old n haggard as the company he keeps... the BJP... the dhoort mandlii... he sound n look arrogant... but he is actually a vain fool... where is he hiding...? ...the maleechha super power... lol... Megawati will be ashamed of her association with Biju n the orissa... Both Manisha and Maadhuri sounded so 'bhenjees' (bahenji) on AajTak... Maadhuri called ablaa as aabla... Manisha couldn't hum... neither could utter a dialogue... there are a thousand creative guys hard work which makes up their personae... these bhaanDs not articulate enuff... they tried to speak hindustaani but couldn't... tried to articulate in english n switched to hindi... n look how they behave as Stars... These brahmin kids are so dehaati... wonder what qualify them to be there... poor quality control... or is it bhai bhatijavaad or contacts prevailing... our creative field has gone pushtainy... like everything else... all daddies promoting their babies... Samar KHaan is a disaster too... Jinnah & co. ne Zabaan hi kaaT lii... churaa lii hai iss muulk kii... or is it that Neeru dynasti abondoned it... for which they would never be forgiven... har shaakH pe ulluu baithey heiN anjaam-e-gulistaaN dekho kya ho gaya!!! |
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Cleo 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 28 of 31 ) Punit and rags respect your right to a point of view though quite unable to share its inherent pessimism. India is on the road to a super power status... though admittedly not arrived there as yet ! We do believe that books written or products developed are NOT a sine qua non of super power capabilities. We believe the first and primary criteria is THE AMAZING INDIAN MIND AND ITS ABILITY TO DELIVER IN A DIGITAL AGE. We have the intellectual capability better than most others. Our english speaking resources are the automatic outsourcing destination. Poor business ethics, lack of transparancy in accounting, delayed system of justice and perception that Indians are good techhies but poor managers have severely hampered the flow of capital into the sector. The other major impediment has been the poor infrastructure. Today with infrasructure improving, conectivity is not likely to be an issue long term and further INDIAN COMPANIES are making their mark in projects and even in contracting out quality resources (body shopping)in this our ability to develop Products and for good R&D is being manifested for the world at large and to providers of finance. They intrinsically also reflect a) Good project management skills b) Aggressive management With or without governmental (and public) support Indian software sector will claim its rightful place in the global software arena |
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Ambalika 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 29 of 31 ) please calm down bhante,,, "If speech has five marks, O monks, it is well spoken, not badly spoken, blameless and above reproach by the wise. What are these five marks? It is speech that is timely, true, gentle, purposeful and spoken with a mind of loving-kindness" Anguttara Nikaya v,198. |
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jayan 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 30 of 31 ) we indians are software superpower yeah, but still we dont have a place of our own in the world of electronics. we can just blah....blah....blah....about ourself. we look good programing others butt if offers comes in dollors. did u hear there are still enough literate people not knowing whats computer is. well forget lets blah...blah....blah(mera bharat mahan)...... |
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Cleo 5/16/2001 8:31:53 AM ( 31 of 31 ) Jayan, convergence is in. By your logic India should establish a dominating presence in electronics AND telecom AND multimedia entertainment before staking a claim to being a software superpower... or is that what you are saying ???? In our view ,the world of IT will see India emerging as a telecom superpower not because its Software Companies have products and marketing savvy like Microsoft , not because of the books that are written, not because of our dominance in hardware and ealectorinics but in our ability to deliver high end project consultancy which could span telecom integration and entertainment on the one hand and legacy systems, development of products and internet applications on the other. We should be proud of our fellow Indians and what they are achieving in the software sector. |
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