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Tathagat 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 1 of 536 ) appa DeepO bhava Ban the lumpen ASA effin'Possible... but not just VHP but Bandar Dal, RSS, BJP all the same... they all should be banned ASAP... Kudos Left, shame on INC 4 accepting a lumpen candidate…n giving legitimacy2lumpen yet ageeen... shame on Mahatma 4 talking about all through 30s and 40s that phirst president would be a woman [born dalit] and not just that but a dalit woman at that and agreed on RaajaInder Pirsaad's favour… Though he was neither… what a shame and sham… lip service even back then in so called moral times… ? Arrey ae ka ho raha hai!! Arrey ae ka ho raha hai!!! Now back 2 a moondir ageeen… after that some scandal… than back 2 paak threat… enemy bashing… raag jingoism… back 2 moondir ageeen and than some scandal and parliament stand off… 5 years over people rejects them sooo badly that they reduce 2 a single digit vote share [their usual 4 long]… 6-9 seats… Yechury gaffe in Hyderabad… gujarat se parada faash nahiN parda poshii he meant… TNN gaffe… wrong and careless hasty inyerpretation and hence dis information… about Amar Singh saying ‘sayyaaN bhaye kotwal ab Darr kaahe ka [dar is the door, kaDak sounds kaDak but eventually be written tathagat way as kaRak]… he meant the samadhi ITwalla… while TOI/TNN meant the CM wife… as Kotwal… INC tried and tested… rightwing communal fascist these moorchhit roTii raam-BaaTii raam tried and failed… now give left a chance… Left should say… not just say but exploit it2th hilt… 2 combat this ugly right and stupid center right [INC] they got 2 come center 2 the right coz that’s what kinnock’s Labor or let’s say Noo labor in Oookay did… after 3 term Tori rule… tathagat is pissed with Sonia Ben’s INC by accepting this lunatic choice by the lumpen themselves… beside Congress is part lumen too… so tathagat bless them 80-90 seats shorter than majority in next GE4LH and b’coz of this superb action t bless them with 60-90 seats… 3rdFoorunt a hoondred plus seats… A 13 year old girl Juhii sang this… [SabTv Aa’O, JhoomieN GaayeiN] Begum Parveen Sultana and Nida Faazli and Khyyaam presiding… Annu kapoor got so much of stupid misplaced jingoism [Beeb’s Face2Face] but he sure did lotta good by this music talent search along with Gajendra Singh and Sonu Nigam Sa re ga ma [Zee Sonu’s show on Plus is loud… Gul specially… Sunday 6/23/02 12:54:55 PM …ye Qatl-o-kHooN ka rivaaj kyuN hai? ye rasm-e-jang-o-jarar kya hai? jinheiN talab hai jahan bhar kii uNheeN ka dil itna tang kyuN hai? kHuda-e-bar_tar gHarieb maaoN sharief behnoN ko aman-o-izzat kii zindagii de JinheiN ata’a kii hai tu-ne taaqat UnheiN hidaayat kii roshnii de SaroN meiN kibra gHuroor kyuN hai? diloN ke sheeshe pe zang kyuN hai? kHuda-e-bartar terii[?]zamiiN pe zamiiN kii kHaatir ye jang kyuN hai? Har ik qatra ‘Zafar’ [tathagatoN] ke daaman par KHoon-e-insaaaN ka rang kyuN hai? The Hindu’s Idiot Box listing is so comprehensive and yet SabTV is missing from the list… but thank u 4 not deciding me sleeping and waking hours like self proclaimed smart… the Buddhadesh Times phraam dehlii[delhi] [its edit page is gr8 though, TOI edit page lead so bead]… Science and the jalebii… lol… Kalaam the lampaT candidate4the prez… saying “u see we gott sooo manyyyy science in our [chhichhora, be-sharam, be-iimaan] blood… that, when the eeenglies encountered jalebie they wonder whether the syrup was injected or whaatt… with big smile he looks all around… he may ask back like a school teacher… wondered what!!!??? Turning his ear 2 the crowd… lol… there use 2 be ‘nutty professors” now there would be characters like ‘nutty prez”… dubya sure would be founder member… Saagarika Ghosh down many talkin’ about Mr Science Kalaam… here we go… [ will post a loadz of stuff on meditation, science, technology, and art etc.,... [hum dekhenge in next 'hum loag']... |
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facts 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 2 of 536 ) Banning VHP do no good. Every indian(not only hinduian) should be hypnotised in such a way that even thinking or talking about VHP & band of crooks should produce a vomitting sensation. |
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thetruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 3 of 536 ) Vomiting sensation ??? What about the "secualars" ashamed of talking Kashmir ? I feel like vomiting whenever I see these "seculars" and who talks about the "ethnic cleansing" of Gujrat ( Blissfully forgettting Godhra). More than 3 lakhs kashmiri pandits are driven out from the valley and our f****** "seculars" will see evils only with Hindus. I don't hate VHP as it is the only party voicing concerns about kashmiri pandits . Others are too "secular" even to mention the problem. The real evil is with the Jehad factories. Open your eyes and you will see it. First destroy the jehadis and their sympathizers , then talk about banning VHP. |
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thetruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 4 of 536 ) All muslim leagues(responsible for dividing India) should be banned ASAP. All Madrasa should be demolished. Do you know how is Pakistan creating havoc inside India ? Who are the sympathizers ? We all know that . They follow a particular religion , the religion of hate . Need I name the religion ? |
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jbindra 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 5 of 536 ) We shall overcome. thetruth : Go suck a lemon. For all I know, all organizations like VHP or SIMI, all madrasas and shishu mandirs that indoctrinate young kids with hatred, all idiots like you who blabber one sided nonsense, need to meet their end and pronto. If India is to survive i.e. Learn to identify your enemies first moron. |
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thetruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 6 of 536 ) Jbindra sir !!!!!!!!!! One sided nonsense !!!! oh sir !!!! at least I am not a liar like u. U pretend to be a SIKH , in fact u r a JEHADI MUSLIMS. What is ur mission Sir ? Sir , I see it everywhere , how u people r whitewashing Kashmir , Kashmir which is far greater a tragedy than Gujrat. Hypocrites like u r the real danger !!!! Your selective silence will make us vomit !!!! |
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jbindra 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 7 of 536 ) We shall overcome. thetruth : Wow ! Just because I dont agree with you I become a Jehadi or a traitor. What a great way to make sense. As for Kashmir, your babbling will make no difference SIR !! Until you cut the crap and see through this Hindu-Muslim formula that the BJP and the Congress use to get votes the common man's life is going to be no easier. Get it my dear Mr Spokesman for the VHP. |
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thetruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 8 of 536 ) The fact is VHP is as good or as bad as our "secular" muslim leagues. But there is no equivalent of Al qaida among Hindus. Al qaida was behind the semptember 11 attack. It has weapons of destruction , it has suicide bombers driven by a failed religion of hate. VHP is behind how many terrorist attacks throughout the world ? What is wrong if VHP speaks for Kashmiri Hindu pandits ? ..... Comparing Al Qaida with VHP is like comparing Hitler with Subhash Chnadra Bose . |
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thetruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 9 of 536 ) JBINDRA u may be the spokesperson of Al Qaida !!! All the best !!! |
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jbindra 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 10 of 536 ) We shall overcome. thetruth : Learn how to use analogies first. Hitler and Bose ?? Its comparing AIDS with Syphillis. Get it, bot will kill you. And as for being the Al-Qedas spokesperson, only a fellow spokesperson knows another. Right ? What do you say Mr. thelie ? |
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thetruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 11 of 536 ) Jbindraji , Slandering others won't make u a better person. U r the one with one sided viwes. I am not like u. Whoever are the murderers in Ahmedabad riot or Godhra massacre , I will like to see them hanged in public. I will say, all should be treated equally. Criminals are criminals and they are to be faced brutally. So, my view is terrorists in Kashmir will be shown no mercy. But u "secular" kind of people are always selective in ur judgement. |
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rav666 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 12 of 536 ) A digression indeed.... but Subash Bose is not in the same league as Hitler (even though technically he might have joined forces with the Axis to fight the British). We are lucky that souls like Subash Bose were born in this country, and should never forget the sacrifices they made. |
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luvvmann 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 13 of 536 ) jbindra, you show your true self by denigrating subhas bose a great patriot. people should know you for what you are, a scumbag. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 14 of 536 ) Lowman.. come to think of it, Subash bose would have shoved a flagpole up your ass if he was alive today. You Khaki Knicker uncles who molested you in chilhood were the same traitors who pleaded alegiance to the british. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 15 of 536 ) I thing the VHP should not be banned. The communal virus has spead far and wide in India. This county need the VHP to continue with ists agenda and turn this country into a living hell. Only then will people see reason just as Europe learnt after the Hitler experience. Indians by and large need a stick and the VHP experience will be the stick they need |
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facts 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 16 of 536 ) dear thetruth: How can your(our) religion justify putting an iron rod in to the vigina of a muslim woman.How can u justify genocide in the name of religion......In the first place how can our hindu brothers get an erection when their blood is boiling for revenge... It is not the quesition of being a secular or religious...it is the question of being a human being. Neitheir i support atrocities against kashmiri pandits nor the atrocites against muslims in gujarat. |
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jbindra 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 17 of 536 ) We shall overcome. Luvvman : You are an idiot beyond compare. I never said anything about Subash Chandra Bose. I said the analogy between Al Qeda and VHP was like AIDS and Syphillis. Get it you venerally diseased pevert. Gandalf : I think you are right. Let the VHP teach Indians what the Third Riech taught the Europeans. Such a lesson will be hard to forget. But do you think that Indians who are given to bad memory will remember this lesson long enough to prevent things like Ayodhya and Graham Staines murder from happening ? |
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luvvmann 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 18 of 536 ) gandalf, let me correct you. i already said your mother and sister molested me. i have never seen a khaki knicker in my life except at the crossroads near my house on a starving policeman. |
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luvvmann 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 19 of 536 ) jbindra matherchot stop lying. read your own post. |
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thetruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 20 of 536 ) Hello Mr. Shameless Fact !!!Where did our religion say that ?? where did u get all those info ??? First of all , nobody is justifying genocide anywhere in India in the name of religion or anything. Whoever r guilty in Gujrat or elsewhere , they should be hanged irrespective of their religions, all Hindus will support it. But there are some "seculars" , who will be playing their dirty game of politics even standing on the dead bodies of innocents, these f****** will be playing on f****** vote-bank politics always. I am not a "secular" person , I feel like vomitting whenver I see the "seculars" of India. I never support attrocities against anyone. For ur kind info , mr. shameless fact , No Hindus will support murder of innocents ( Hindus or Non-Hindus). Only the dirtiest satans can even think of raping a woman or putting a hot iron rod into ............. .. . All Hindus will be very happy , if these devils are shot through their heads. I repeat , criminals are criminlas , they deserve brutal punishments , why should we bother which religion they belong ? |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 21 of 536 ) Lowman: " i have never seen a khaki knicker in my life".. Obviously.. Bent over as your are giving your ass to all and sundry.. How can you see anything except the floor? The Truth: Stop yapping .. Hope you vomit all over your keyboard and leave this board alone.. you characterless, evil worm |
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jbindra 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 22 of 536 ) We shall overcome. Gandalf : Not meant to be a digression, but why is that communalism is a popular subject in Northern and Western India (Gujarat/Rajasthan and UP) as compared to the rest of India. The South Indians that I talk to rarely rake up the issue of India being under attack, while North Indians cant fail to mention it at any get together we have. I have never found a conclusive reason for this pattern. Your comments are welcome. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 23 of 536 ) JB: Your are so right. Could it be because: I hear various theories on the Partition and proximity as reson. But most Surds I meet are not half as caught up in this hate as Delhiites. So those reason may not hold. Need to think on this.. Its tough. most reasons dont hold eg. if its the religion then why are South Indians much more balanced, if its population then again the same applies to the South and East. Proximity to violence.. then why not the Surds/ Gurkhas. I dont know, but I know that there is definitely a serious issue. |
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jattword 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 24 of 536 ) Shud VHP be banned ?? yeah why not,,,If groups like SIMI can be banned for raising communal slogans why shud the VHP, Bajrang Dal and all the so called "hindutva religious " organisations be banned ?? Which hindu God said that kill the innnocent dont even spare the children, rape the minority.. By doing all these things the international image of india is being raped !! Why the hell ppl are bent upon brining to shame to humanity.. why can any1 answer that.. what if someone more mighter than these organisation does that to them.. rape and kill their families..how will they feel about that ? brothers.. things now shud be taken above relegion.. there is no best religion than humanity,, |
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jattword 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 25 of 536 ) One thing I wud also like to add. from where did hindu originate ?? I never found a history book written on who founded hinduism. !!!! |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 26 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm Banning VHP is not a solution. The members can easily form another organisation. The only beneficiaries will be all the political parites. Each will claim to have played the main role they played. Whats disturbing is not the policies of VHP on paper but the elements who are attracted to VHP. Its easier for an anti-social element to be a member of a religious group (pls note i am not mentioning Hindu or Muslim) and then claim protection or cry foul if caught, depending on the party at power. Focus on development and poverty eradication programmes, though it may seem longterm, tough to implement and cliched is still the better solution. |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 27 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm correction. the previous msg should be read as " whats MORE disturbing than policies of VHP on paper" |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 28 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm Hi this is reg. comments by jbindra and Gandalf on South Indians & communalism. Since i am a south indian, and even i couldnt help wondering after reading the msg. But i do know communalism is an issue. But as jbindra doesnt seem to be the BIG issue. I am also puzzled at the moment. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 29 of 536 ) Gayatri: Your point on the futility of banning is right. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 30 of 536 ) Gayatri: Your point on the futility of banning is right. But banning is not completely useless as Govt know. Its a great excuse to arraign and harrass people, block funds and turn public opinion against them. It is not guaranteed to work but does help. |
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rjosan 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 31 of 536 ) I think that banning will not hinder the process but that it has to be two pronged method. but who will ban it? Our present government which shares its ideologies with the VHP even though it negates this fact publicly? I do not htink the present government can really do much to help the current state of issues. It is up to the people to let better sense prevail upon them and nto resort to mindless things. |
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haifa 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 32 of 536 ) Banning the VHP will be a mistake. It is an organisation like any other which lives on hate. In time people realise that the VHP cant solve their problems with their militant Hindu version of the Taliban. Hindu Jihadis will soon begin to rise and go out of control of the VHP or the Dal and then when they have caused irreperable havoc to the nation, the VHP will die out and the people will have harsh memories to live by and oppose the rise of such organizations in the future. Until now the muslims are their primary target so they weep. Soon others will join the rank of the mourners and then such organisations will find that their decay has begun. India needs harsh lessons as a democracy. Every nation from Germany to the USA has gone through a period of catharsis and rethinking. Our time is here too and everyone -> Hindus, Muslims, Panjabis, Christians need to think about what they have been upto and how it has impacted them many years hence. |
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thetruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 33 of 536 ) Gandalf(post 21 ) , of late u r barking too much. Of course dogs bark and u r no exception. I respect ur personal liberty to bark. Stop playing a hero u dirty pig. Go on barking , u ******* coward , filthy dog. I have to ignore u, that is my personal liberty. Anyway happy time barking , Mr.Filthy DOG. Gandalf is a dog. Gandlaf is a filthy dog. He'll bark all the time , even if we are tired like dead. He is a dog. He is a dirty dog. He will never get enough shit to be satisfied. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 34 of 536 ) Hahahaha thetruth.. "Gandalf is a dog. Gandlaf is a filthy dog. He'll bark all the time" .. Hahaha you sound like a 2 year old.. does your Mommy know you are using the computer? |
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jbindra 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 35 of 536 ) We shall overcome. thetruth : I see.. So you finally decided to join a preparatory class in grammar school and they asked you to make sentences with the words - dog, bark and pig. Bad boy, this is not the way to good sentence writing. Begin with small ones. I'll show you how : My mom had a dog. When he barked, she sighed. After a few months I was born. Mom named me thetruth. But people say I am a pig. See short and simple. Makes sense and you'll get good grades in English. Do tell us what you learnt in your next lesson. |
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thetruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 36 of 536 ) Jbindra I am very sorry. I have to ignore ur lover , the notorious GANDALF. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 37 of 536 ) thetruth, Please dont butt in when jbindra and Gandalf are openly groping each other in public...I am sure Gandalf loves the fact that he has jbindra's beard to hold on to in his moments of ecstasy, but I dont see what jbindra gets out of this...but hey, their mutual man-boy love is none of my business. |
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luvvmann 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 38 of 536 ) gandalf, matherchot, i will set the RSS goons on your ass in Bangalore. cocksucker. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 39 of 536 ) Karappal you jealous darling you.. have I been neglecting you recently.. tut tut.. or should I say Butt Butt, cool down havent I told you what to do while you sit allon in you BD shelter in NYC. Lowman Buffonji: "gandalf, matherchot, i will set the RSS goons on your ass in Bangalore".. So I was righ.. RSS guys are always on someones ass.. like they did to you when you were little. Why fall for this Stolkhom Syndrome reaction..Sweetie, you should turn you back to them (ulp sorry), you will not be rejected in normal society, give it a try.. and if you ever need a shoulder to fry on.. I am there. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 40 of 536 ) Karappal you jealous darling you.. have I been neglecting you recently.. tut tut.. or should I say Butt Butt, cool down havent I told you what to do while you sit allon in you BD shelter in NYC. Lowman Buffonji: "gandalf, matherchot, i will set the RSS goons on your ass in Bangalore".. So I was righ.. RSS guys are always on someones ass.. like they did to you when you were little. Why fall for this Stolkhom Syndrome reaction..Sweetie, you should turn you back to them (ulp sorry), you will not be rejected in normal society, give it a try.. and if you ever need a shoulder to cry on.. I am there. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 41 of 536 ) Thetruth .. Woof to you today |
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Lehar 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 42 of 536 ) The article in the current issue of the outlook, on the donors to the VHP and its siblings in the US, furthers the charge that the NRI donors knowingly have been funding the activities of the VHP, including the violence unleashed by the Sangh Parivar in Gujarat. These rascals are no different from Taliban sympathisers. The pseudo nationalist donors to the VHP should be dealt with firmly in the US. Kanwal Rekhi has raised an issue and brought it out in the open, kudos to him. Most of us have been witnessing the courage and the wonderful 'webster' driven filthy language of the sotware 'specialists' operating out of Arizona and further west in these columns. No different from the 'courageous' RSS. Get the force of the law behind them and see their courage and conviction. No different from the RSS. |
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rav666 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 43 of 536 ) Lehar, Looks like some Wahhabism happening in our own backyard. Unfortunately, it is people who live in glass houses who tend to throw stones the most :-) But to be fair to the NRIs, the article does state that most do not know where their contributions end up and think that they go to finance upliftment of tribals and dalits. |
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Lehar 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 44 of 536 ) Ravsaheb wahhabism indeed. You are absolutely right, except that they use Trishuls for upliftement of tribals ! Actually it is funny! Every place has its brand of Wahhabism. What would you make of John Ashcroft ? Wannabe wahhabi minus a beard ? Many of these financiers are quite aware where their money is being channeled. The reason why felt compelled to start this thread. It is only the fear of the consequences that worries these worthies, not the worthless antics of the RSS ! |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 45 of 536 ) Very good point Lehar: its a red herring that people dont know where their money is going.. they do. And regarding s/w specialist in Arizona :-) a generalization but a very common one. The attitude of s/w engineers here in bangalore is used as case studies supporting the need non-technical education and human interaction in ones mental make up |
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anwarsad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 46 of 536 ) John A definitely a Wahabi. A dangerous Wahabi at that. As far as this topic of debate is concerned I have only one question, "Is a frog's ass watertight?" |
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anwarsad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 47 of 536 ) Should VHP be banned that is. : |
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babu 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 48 of 536 ) Why must bann VHP? If Indian leadership and the constitution/secularism take indiffernet attitude towards Hinduism/Hindu rights than I dont see any logic why must they stop VHP? If the press always take a biased attitude against Hindus by only exposing their activities and not the Muslims and the Christians who are the root cause the religious tensions in India, why think about banning VHP? If any body think of banning VHP I sugest first bann the Indian irresponsible constitution/secularism, second bann all the Pres that attack the Hindus,third bann the anti Hindu politicians..... than think about banning VHP? |
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anwarsad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 49 of 536 ) Babu: I think I understand your sentiments. Perhaps VHP should not be banned. But could you tell me if all that you have given as reasons for not banning the VHP could also not be applied for not banning the SIMI by their Mulsim supporters? Muslims don't feel they are being given a free ride on anything. In fact if you remove the latest Gujarat incident they don't even feel that the press, whether English or Hindi gives them a fair shake, they definitely feel a certain amount of discrimination, and some of them feel that groups like SIMI are standing up for them. So I guess they too should not be banned. So in the very end the groups who should be banned according to Braniacs like you are the Constitution of India, the remaining secularists and liberals, the communists, etc! The ones not banned would then be the VHP and SIMI. I am sure then you guys could sit down and figure out for the benefit of the whole Nation how best to get along would you not? Next before we start debating you all over again why don't you go to the Riot after Riot and read all the posts and educate yourself so that we can carry the dicussion furthet instead of reverting back to the very first posts. |
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bidyut 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 50 of 536 ) For peace and humanity this fanatic organisation i.e. Bajrang Dal, VHP, and each & EVERY RELIGION FANATICS must be banned |
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asharma 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 51 of 536 ) Ho Ho Ho You guys are pathetic. You need to debate about the obvious. Even a kid today knows what the VHP and SIMI are all about. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 52 of 536 ) I guess asharma makes it clear why this thread is outlived its usefulness. The key is everyone except khakhi Kundis know that the VHP is evil. thats enough |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 53 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm And would mere ban help? |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 54 of 536 ) Gandalf: "The key is everyone except khakhi Kundis know that the VHP is evil." At least they have the courage to show the mirror in the face of the wahabbi a**holes, when they ask for reform among the muslim jihadi bastards in India. I respect that a whole lot more than I do self-defeating pieces of dravidian debris like yourself. |
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anwarsad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 55 of 536 ) Gayathri: May not be the final word on the whole problem but perhaps the first step? Perhaps a standard should be set as to what kind of activity would lead to a banning? |
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srikrshn 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 56 of 536 ) India and Indians are respected the world over, and indeed by themselves, only for their spiritual outlook to life. The happenings in Gujarat have all but destroyed that respect. A political organisation on built on communal lines should not be tolerated in India. Be it VHP or SIMI. Ours is a model country where by virtue of co-existing for centuries all religions know about each other, and have adopted various cultures from each other. Our country should be a celebration of diversity, and an example of the unifying force of religion. Our constitution is all right; we need to throw out the BJP's and VHP's and SIMI's and Muslim League's who have damaged what India stands for. We're Indians despite our religious faiths! Ramanujam |
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anwarsad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 57 of 536 ) srikrshn: Nice post. Obviously your name fits you very well. :) |
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asif 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 58 of 536 ) it's really sad for india that an organisation whose raison de'etre is bashing of minorities, is allowed to flourish in india, with help of dollars from some confused desis in usa. the sooner it is banned the better |
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sb 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 59 of 536 ) yes, to keep India as civlized nation, otherwise India will be another Yougoslavia. VHP will destroy the country. it will turn this country chaos,burn into ashes. VHP leaders should be tried for treason, . sb |
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babu 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 60 of 536 ) Hallo Mr. Anwarsad, you seem to saying that VHP must be banned because SIMI is banned?.What kind of logic is this? My point is Hindus and their rights are ignored in the name of secularism and all other nonsense as I already mentioned. In the Subcontinent they have no state while the Muslums fought and got it. Fools like Ghandi and Nehru with heart at wrong place, so ignorant of natural law failed to do justice to Hindus, and the present day politicians are not better either; they are like prostitutes; so what do you expect VHP to do?IN Pak/Bangla Hindus are reduced to nobody and they dont have any Hindu version of SIMI. They are like beggers at the mercy of the rulers and people. You are talking about SIMI. These creatures are no better than the jihadis Killing the HIndus in Kashmir. They are playing with bombs and it is only correct to bann them! What nonsense are you talking? Also I notice many of those speaking here must be Muslims and I can see their intentions. They are not talking from their heart! |
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Prem 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 61 of 536 ) Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra. Dear babu, I share your anguish at the perceived wrongs, and perhaps Gandhi and Nehru can be balmed (with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight) with many things, and no doubt that Bangladesh and Pakistan and other Muslim countries do not treat their minorities right, but should we reduce ourselves to their level? I am more than willing to listen to Shri Togadia or Shri Singhal or whoever, but surely they should be subjected to the law of the land? |
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anwarsad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 62 of 536 ) What are the things that SIMI has done that cannot also be laid on the doors of VHP/Bajrang Dal/RSS combine? Perhaps instead of haphazard bannings what would serve us all better is to define what is unacceptable in terms of political activity or general behavior and then let the decision run on autopilot. The post from Prem seems to make a lot of sense to me. Let us not break any laws. I am not talking about laws like spiting on side curbs but those related to criminal behavior including the ones that incite violence. I don't give two hoots about SIMI? Heck keep them banned. Don't let other fanatics run amock. VHP/RSS are prime candidates amongst the Hindu fanatics organziation as are people like Bukhari et al and Thackeray and company. |
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jaga 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 63 of 536 ) read this you fools: http://peoplesforum.com/cgi-bin/forum?50@104.zQHfa RndqfT.45@.2e456456/1 |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 64 of 536 ) Jaga 63: I guess you mistaking posted this message to your dad here |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 65 of 536 ) Good article on the spead of the VHP http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fo dname=20020722&fname=vijay&sid=1 |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 66 of 536 ) Good article on the spead of the VHP http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fo dname=20020722&fname=vijay&sid=1 |
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sanjayin 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 67 of 536 ) before it is too late |
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nature 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 68 of 536 ) "read this you fools" The biggest fool out here is calling everyone else a fool! |
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nature 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 69 of 536 ) that was in reply to post #63 |
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cm 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 70 of 536 ) IF ANY LAXITY IS SHOWN IN BANNING VHP, THE COUNTRY WILL HAVE TO WITNESS GUJARATH LIKE SITUATION GRIPPING THE WHOLE NATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE. BAN VHP AND SAVE THE NATION. THE SAFFRON LEADERS WHO TAKE THE COUNTRY TO RANSOM SHOULD BE BOOKED UNDER POTA IMMEDIATELY |
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vohsendhan 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 71 of 536 ) It must be exposed before the public. Their cannibalistic attitude will then be shunned away even by ordinary folk. |
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Prem 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 72 of 536 ) Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra. Check out the responses to Vijay Prashad's article in Daily Letters accessible from Rants & Raves page. |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 73 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm now YES |
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rameshwr 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 74 of 536 ) Yes, and open an office of Al Qaida at the Ashoka Road in New Delhi - as further proof of India's secularism and tolerance (a thing, btw, the entire Muslim world do not require, obviously). Also publicise the fact that from Chechenya to Middle East to East Africa to France to Great Britain to Balkans everywhere the Islamic angst and jihad is, in fact, a reaction of VHP and, of course, the Babri Masjid demolition. No VHP, no reaction. No Hindus on earth, peace will prevail. Thanks to the great Islamic brotherhood. Carry on OUTLOOK, Allah will provide you too with hoorin and diamonds in the paradise. Have faith on the Prophet(PBUH), damn Sangh Parivar. |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 75 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm post 74 from Osama? |
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kishore 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 76 of 536 ) yes ban the VHP. It is the only thing that stands between India & convrsion of Hindus to Christianity or Islam. BTW for the SECULAR Indians , gimme one state in India where the Muslims or Christians are in a majority and the state is not beset with fundemantalism & sessesionist demands. |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 77 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm Naxalites? |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 78 of 536 ) "gimme one state in India where the Muslims or Christians are in a majority and the state" hahaha.. last I heard, Xtians were some miniscule percentage of the population and We have one Muslim Majority state. Lets say I am a Sri Lankan and I say "show me one province where Hndhus are majority and not asking for a separate state. Ridiculous |
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anwarsad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 79 of 536 ) Kishore: You are an idiot. There is only one state in India where Muslims are in a majority and there was no problem with the Hindus till very recently. So if you had asked this question in 1985 I would have said Kashmir. If you ask this in 2050 I would probably again be able to say Kashmir. But at this juncture none because there is only one state with Muslim majority. Example of one does not prove or disprove your theory. Do you hear the CM of Kashmir saying that there is no violence against the Hindus in Kashmir? He keeps shouting for action against Pakistan on the contrary. Contrast this with Modi's action and you will see how just/or unjust are the Muslims who are running a Muslim majority state in India. |
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anwarsad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 80 of 536 ) Kishore: Ban the RSS and covert India into an Islamic or Christian Nation? What nonsense. The days of forced conversions are past. Somebody gives you $50 to convert you, listen to the offer and tell them politely that you are not interested and that is the end of the matter. Why do you need the RSS for that? If somebody is forcing people then there is the police to handle that sort of issues. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 81 of 536 ) anwarsad: "If somebody is forcing people then there is the police to handle that sort of issues." The police come under state control, which mean that congress states will not enforce this rule. So where does that leave you and your "law and order". |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 82 of 536 ) gandalf: "hahaha.. last I heard, Xtians were some miniscule percentage of the population and We have one Muslim Majority state. " Pay attention, fukwit. All of the northeastern states have a christian majority, and they also happen to be states that want to get out of the Indian union. Ditto with Kashmir. So what inference does your brain draw from these facts?? |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 83 of 536 ) Fool karapal: The reason why those tiny unviable NE states are still with India are because of Christians. I have been there and worked with them. Their problem is economic caused by a terrible injustice during partition which makes the land mass unviable for industry due to the transportation costs and lack of a port. Do you think these "christian" states want to merge with Rome? If they cant survive in Idia how do you think they will manage on their own. You being born of Keralite parents should be first to know that you are talking trash as usual |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 84 of 536 ) And Conversion as an issue is hogwash. No one can stop anyone from converting. But money based conversion are perfectly OK in my opinion.. because, the poor dont bother, If you offer them $50 to convert or vote or whatever, Isay take the money and carryone with your lives. THis is what happens always.. look at the recen row between AIMDMK and DMK on starving weavers. Onne party gave rice gruel so the other gave biriyani. who cares about the parties |
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jaga 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 85 of 536 ) Islam is deeply anti-woman. Islam is the fundamental cause of the repression of Muslim women and remains the major obstacle to the evolution of their position. Islam has always considered women as creatures inferior in every way: physically, intellectually, and morally. This negative vision is divinely sanctioned in the Koran, corroborated by the hadiths, and perpetuated by the commentaries of the theologians, the custodians of Muslim dogma and ignorance. muslim woman was doomed when prophet mohammed uttered the first sura. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 86 of 536 ) Karapall is 100% correct, but Karapall, do not forget Goa. This is nothing but a district of Maharashtra. Yet there was a referendum whether to merge with Maharashtra or stay as a Union Territory in the sixties. The Christian block voted en mass against Maharashtra, it was not an anti-Maharashtra vote, it was anti-India.And haven't you heard pitch black Goan Christians say they are Portugese again and again |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 87 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm re.86 1st May 1960, under the Bombay re-organization Act, Maharashtra and Gujarat were divided into separate states. Why? Was that anti maharashtra or anti gujarat or anti-India? |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 88 of 536 ) Gayathri the great,salaam alekum. You must be the queen of the irrelevant and the immaterial. I wonder if you know that Goa was under Portuguese rule for nearly 500 years. Unlike the British, they allowed the priests to practise inquisition and related activities,which resulted in nearly a third of the population being forcibly converted as it happened during the Sultanis and Muglais with another faith. The local dark-skinned delights will still proudly tell you that they are of European origin. This is the travesty, not having a dark skin but having your mind sabotaged. What pray tell does the above have with Mumbai,Gujarat and Maharashtra. And some events suggest that both Gujratis and Maharashtrians are Hindus who do indeed retaliateagainst grave provocations. May Ganesh Bhagwan give you sound intellect ,you need it very badly. Wishing you the very best as you grapple with a congenital deficiency. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 89 of 536 ) Sinbad..or ravan or jaga.. all equaly bereft of character. You are the same guy that swelled your boney threaded ribs because the Westerners are interested in the Vedas. Tell me, if the Goans were white and fair, you would have treated them with respect right. Castist bastards like you suffer from the same complexes. Gujus and maharastians behave like Nazis. Except they are coward of the first order and typify the Hindu right. Manipulative incestous buffoons who think they can still manipulate society as they did in this time of the media and internet |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 90 of 536 ) Sinbad.. you bastards pretend to be concerned for Muslim women. Ha. Thieving jokers, how do you address Hindhu women. How do you address people who are 'Dark skinned" of white aryan.. What a riot. And cut this crap about forcible conversion. Majority of people have converted out of free will... what your Manu influence mind cannot fanthom. What are you and your RSS cohorts doing tothe tribal. Becom Hindu or else!.. Disgusting rats.. stay in Maharstra/Gujarat and rot |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 91 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm Gandalf why the remark "stay in Maharstra/Gujarat and rot"? |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 92 of 536 ) The black magic of forced conversions is astounding. It wraps the whole mind in a poisonous grip of hatred and malice as the above post,#90 shows. And when arguments fail, abuse and vulgarity come naturally.Darkened mind is the problem,not the color of the skin, but you will not understand the subtleties, so yell at Gujus and Maharashtrians from your dark hole. Good luck. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 93 of 536 ) Gayatri: I got called for a meeting and had to finish the tirade.. guess I had a writers block :-) But seriously, I think Gujarat and Maharastra are unsettling cases where the population in their preoccupation with money have allowed themselves to be brainwashed or sold their souls to the devil. Be it Modi or Thakeray.. I am fill with a feeling of disquite whenever I see the number of fans they have. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 94 of 536 ) Sinbad.. I did not understand your post.. And sail away with your forked tongue, this board has enough of them. While I sit in my dark hole. Can you please define a force conversion?. What is a normal conversion. What isthe type of conversion Sri Sri/Sai Baba/Iskon do.. What about RSS.?.. do you have answers O sailor man? |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 95 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm re.maharashtra. the same people who voted for shiva-sena bjp govt, voted them out of power. yes the Modis and Thakerays have fans, but i think its unfair to generalise the entire state. (Since i had spent many years in Mumbai (incl. during the riots), i thought the remark uncalled for.). yeah i can understand, the quality of some msgs do inspire writer's block :-) |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 96 of 536 ) Ah, yes. I am sure you know there are plenty of Sikh temples in the UK. I sometimes go there. The word of the Sikh Gurus is like a live symphony woven in truth and beauty.During these moments a worthless and greedy Guju or Maratha like me gets attracted to their immortal philosophy. This is true and willing conversion, if I may use this word.On the other hand, someone pushes a piece of Beef in my mouth and say now you belong to us that is forced conversion.The sinful caste system pushed many a good person away from Hinduism, I would say the priestly class forced these poor people into someone else's hands. I think enough for the day. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 97 of 536 ) Sinbad.. cant argue with that. Gayatri.. the carrot of generalisation.. how easy it is to slip. Thanks for pointing it out have a great Independence day all of you |
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GAYATHRI 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 98 of 536 ) www.cry.org/you/youcando.htm re.88 - sinbad. hopefully sri siddhivinayak will also bless with me self control, (so that i can continue with my policy of not reacting to sledgings.) You are entitled to ur opinion reg my intellect. a clarification i dont think i am great or perfect. A Human, Indian and then a Hindu Shankaram Shiva Shankaram |
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anwarsad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 99 of 536 ) Karpall: Certainly police could be controlled by the Congress in Congress run states and therefore, assuming that Congress wants India to become an Isalmic/Christian majority state, a preposterous assumption given that most Congressis are Hindus as well, indeed forced conversions could take place. But the police is not the only security arm available to the Center, there is the CBI (like FBI), there is the IB (like CIA/FBI), there are the paramilitary forces including the BSF, etc that could all be used to make the writ of the land enforcebale besides the judicial system which culd be used to prevent forced conversion if they are taking place. But from the start your assumption about how things are makes no sense. From Independence the Muslim proportions have risen from around 9-11% to 12% to 15%. Where is this this conspiracy since Congress was in power for 40 plus years? Why would they want to convert people, I guess all people, to Islam since Muslims are on the average poorer and less well off than the rest of the population. So really this sounds like another attempt at smear and throw accusations to see whether it sticks rather than worthy of serious consideration. |
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karl_i 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 100 of 536 ) one cannot call for a ban on the vhp or the bd or any other extremist hindu org. but what is the need of the hour is investigations in their involvement in ayodhia , gujarat, etc. and if implicated restrictions made on their sphere of involvement in such areas.govt. impositions and bodies regulating their activity is vital. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 101 of 536 ) anwarsad: "is the CBI (like FBI), there is the IB (like CIA/FBI), there are the paramilitary forces including the BSF, etc that could all be used to make the writ of the land enforcebale" These agencies have their own narrow jurisdictions that do not include religious conversions. I am surprised that a "muslim thinker" like you can make such an obvious mistake. Besides, these organizations are already swamped with enforcing laws related to federal law&order problems, such as paki terrorism. They cant go around enforcing laws on religious conversions, just because it will give you pseudo-secular assholes a shot in the arm. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 102 of 536 ) karl_i: "but what is the need of the hour is investigations in their involvement in ayodhia , gujarat, etc. and if implicated restrictions made on their sphere of involvement in such areas.govt. impositions and bodies regulating their activity is vital." Investigations have already completed, and it has been reported in a few Indian newspapers. Go read about it before you pontificate on the obvious. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 103 of 536 ) FYI, the people involved in the riots and mayhem belonged to the ruling party and the opposition and all across the board. The muslims in Gujarat deliberately locked the door of the train carriage and after spilling a gasoline tank inside the compartment and set it on fire from the outside. These muslims did these atrocities at pakistan's behest. The prime culprits were the whole corporate leadership (all muslims) in the town of Godhra. They instigated a riot by announcing on the PA system of the local mosque that hindus raped a muslim woman in the train stopped at the local railway station, and then ensured that fire services and ambulances were blocked away from the trains until the hindus were burnt to a crisp. |
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nature 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 104 of 536 ) karl:"govt. impositions and bodies regulating their activity is vital" This is an interesting observation by karl. It is quite clear from events of the past that the VHP has been indulging in anti-national activities, which threaten peace and stability. The way of dealing with such an extremist organization is not an extremist stance of seeking to banning it. Instead of seeking for a total ban on VHP, what would be more workable is to get a body which supervises and regulates their activities. The same should be true for SIMI, BD, BJP and some others. But the major threat facing the nation today is the BJP government at the center. Like minded Indians should team together and find ways to defeat the BJP effectively without resorting to extreme measures. The middle way might yield some solutions. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 105 of 536 ) Karapall Post 103.. You almost sound like you were there.. you cowardly rumour mongering cockroach. Nature.. your suggestions are taken with a pinch of salt as you have not categorically answered question on the Intersection between the very orthodox faith driven Islam you seem to follow and ground realities today. Tell me, why do Muslims (a unfair but unavodable)dress differently ( I would really like to Know) |
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nature 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 106 of 536 ) Gandalf:"Tell me, why do Muslims (a unfair but unavodable)dress differently ( I would really like to Know)" What do you mean dress differently? In north India, both Hindus and Muslims wear kurta, pyjama, lungi etc. Muslims in north and east India avoid dhoti because Hindus wear it tucking up the lower part upto the waist; this exposes a lot of their legs, such exposure is not acceptable under Islam. In western India, I guess people have lost their traditional Indian dresses; out of their hatred for Muslims and Islam they have taken to Nazi dresses of shorts and shirts. Their hatred springs from a sense of inferiority and they have agreed to compromize their traditional humaneness for hatred. In south India, many Muslims do wear the dhoti, because south Indian Hindus don't tuck up the dhoti and looks quite decent. Some Muslims in south India tend to wear north Indian dresses because many of them are either migrants or want to associate themselves with the north Indians(for some reason); because it seems to me that in most of south India, except Kerala, Islam is yet a new. |
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nature 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 107 of 536 ) Another reason why the Muslims of India may be wanting to look different may be due to a feeling of defiance. If the Sanghis want us to look like everyone else, we will not do so... it is our way of revolt... even though perhaps not well justified. Typically, my opinion is Muslims should dress like rest of the population to spread a message of brotherhood and friendship... all this while not compromizing the Islamic dress code. You might be interested to know that in my opinion atleast 90% of Indian women wear sarees like their Hindu counterparts... Gandalf, since you have not seen much the rest of the world and seem to be living enclosed in India you seem to think Indian Muslims look different. If you had some more idea of the rest of the world or mostly rest of the Islamic world you would realize how much Indian Indian Muslims are. Indian Muslims are Indian to the core... whether it comes to food tastes or if it comes to dressing... our culture is unique and very very Indian. We do have amongst us remnants of the culture brought in by the early Muslims, but then who in India doesnot have them. For that matter even the influence of the British is felt in India even though the British never really became Indian. |
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nature 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 108 of 536 ) This is especially true of Gujarati Muslims who have many Indian names... like Memon, Patel, Vohra, Mungera etc. Many of the Gujarati Muslim tribes have retained much of their pre-Islamic tribal traditions and tribal heirarchies; except those which clearly were wrong Islamically. Gujarati Muslims today are amongst the most enterprizing of Indian Muslims, from seasoned Businessmen to learned Islamic scholars; and above all this they have their beautiful friendliness, hospitality and good behavior. And the shameless thing is that the hypocrite Sanghis instead of embracing these genuine Indians attacked them, burning them alive; and used other tribes as tools whom they first forcibly converted to Hinduism forcing them to forsake their tribal customs; and most importantly their humanness. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 109 of 536 ) Nature, Tell me, if Arundhati, Mushirul Hasan, Manishanker Aiyer and you are locked up in a cage in Guantanomo Bay, Cuba dressedin those orange overalls and a hungry wolf is intrduced to your cage, whom will he eat first. The answer: None the canine will not pollute his jaws. Send us your picture when you reach Cuba to enjoy US hospitality. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 110 of 536 ) And one other thing, Nature. The orange overalls you will be wearing as a guest of the US, would they be given to you in recognition of your feeling of defiance or to enhance your status as a joker? What Madrassa did you go to? Did they also teach you essential self-defence like burning trains, shooting at Yatris, hijacking planes,attacking Parliament Buildings,causing bomb blasts, flying planes without learning how to land and takeoff etc. Can you suggest a couple of good places to buy hand-grenades? |
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nature 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 111 of 536 ) Sinbad, Why do you hate me like this? What wrong have I done to you? |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 112 of 536 ) Nature 107: FYI, I have been born and bought up in different countries around the world and have even had the opportunity to do 3 years of schooling in a Muslim school. I have also been around the country (though considering the size I would be a liar if I say I've seen it all). I will pass your stupid attempts to be sarcastic because I want to continue this discussion. YOu have to understand that what is important is perception. It is perceived that Muslims try to ensure they are not integrated. eg, though muslims in the south wear Dhoties, they wear it differntly. I am not pointing fingers but again say that there must be a give ant take attitude. EG, the sikhs seem to integrate much better thatn others. I think that these are the areas that Islam has to reform. is Allah so weak that he needs beards for support? |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 113 of 536 ) Secondlly.. I guess there are 3 types of people here 1. The stupid Sanghis who are mantra chanting morons (the mantrs being hate and lies) they have been douing it for thousands of years and are thrying to get back the control they enjoyed 2. The Other blinkered followers of the book, who are stuck in the 'blind faith' or submission trap which was so advantageous for Arabian rulers. 3. People of all religions who are trying to subsume their natural religious upbringings to look at a secular nation first. I suggest you try to put yourself into the 3rd category. It is tough for every one but the fact is that is the only way this country can go forward |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 114 of 536 ) Nature and Gandalf, Gandalf says we should all put ourselves in category three. This is indeed a splendid idea,and I mean it,but this can occur only when category 2, the most virulent and dangerous of the three, controls its intoxicated fanatism. As far as Hibdus/Sikhs/Buddhists/Jains are concerned, I have not found any inducements to hatred or intolerance of other faiths in any of their authentic texts,so perhaps category one exists only in the minds of the League followers. The caste system based on birth was a pernicious one and strangely, Veer Savarkar and Hegdewar Guruji were among the early reformists to oppose it. In fact Veer Savarkar's definition of a Hindu as one who loves this great country from Kashmir to Kanyakumari...... will put most of us, if not all, in category # 3. And yet one finds mediocrities like Arundhati, Manishanker Aiyer amd Mushirul Hasan routinely call Veer Savarkar a bigot and a Hindu extremist. How many of us know that Vinayak Damodar Savarkar was sentenced by the British to 50 years penal servitude to be served on the hell-hole of Andamam.Kala Pani. Does Mushirul Hasan know that Savarkar's stirring poetry; "Jayostute He Mahanmangle" is part of it ,and which has been set to sublime music by Lata Mangeshkar and siblings; was written in blood on Andaman's cellular jail walls by nails as writing material was not made available. How many bogus secularists care that Savarkar, then Barrister Savarkar wrote "1857, War of Independence "at the age of 25. Now permit me to qoute from Maulana Abul Kalam Azad.This is from " The Proudest Day by Anthony Read and David Fisher" and appears on page 112 Read it, "Seeking an Islamic State he wanted to organize India's Muslims into a Hizbullah, the party of God-another name with familiar echoes-a seperate entity in which Hindus and Britons had no place. In language that has an all too familiar ring 85 years later Azad lambasted those heretics and hypocrites who had co-operated with the Satans of Europe to weaken the influence of Islamic Caliphate and Pan-Islam. " None of the above words are mine.And today followers of Savarkar are called anti-national bigots and those of Azad as secular minorities. What travesty!Azad would have fit perfectly in bin Ladin's group, call it Taliban, call it Al Qaeda or whatever. Nature, I do not hate you, I find Jehadis as hateful and dangerous vermin. I asked you to explain some sections of the book you quote, you did not enlighten me perhaps Jaga will.By the way Jinnah was a Gujarati Muslim and so were the terrorists at Godhra train station and at Signal Falia. |
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nature 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 115 of 536 ) Sinbad:"I asked you to explain some sections of the book you quote, you did not enlighten me perhaps Jaga will" Sinbad, I prefer to keep my religion personal and to discuss it with only my close friends. If you are so sincere about learning about my religious beliefs, which I doubt, then write email to me. I will see if you deserve any answer from me. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 116 of 536 ) Nature, Why then have you been talking about it day in and day out ad infinitum. In fact I would suggest do not talk about it, all this nonsense about correct and incorrect, women's rights(?), husband's priveleges , dress codes, what was all that about? |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 117 of 536 ) Sinbad: I dont agree that group 2 is the most virulent. In fact their obvious agenda and tactics make them a known enemy. Sanghis on the other hand are masters of subterfuge, half-truths, double-speak and repetitious lies. They are like a mutating virus which in my mind makes them most deadly. Now, let as look at a few of your points. People more learned than me could please cortibute with know facts on the hatred spawned by Sawarkar and Hedgewar. People could talk about how they licked British ass to get free dom. People could talk about their defenition of what Minorities must do. People could talk about the history of their fight with inequality and castisim.. but I would rather not....cont |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 118 of 536 ) I would rather be specific to certain things you said. "As far as Hibdus/Sikhs/Buddhists/Jains are concerned, I have not found any inducements to hatred or intolerance of other faiths in any of their authentic texts" The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Hindu atrocities to Dalits, Christians, Muslims etc. Are well documented. Buddist temples, Xtian nuns, Sudras, etc.. that lie is too well exposed for me to continue. Also, Buddists, jains and Sikhs are not under the Hindhu Umberella. An average Buddist snickers when he heres Sangis lovingly envelop him in the Sanghi umberella. Stop fooling yourself. Another example of Gobbelsian suggestive re-inforcements |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 119 of 536 ) "In fact Veer Savarkar's definition of a Hindu as one who loves this great country from Kashmir to Kanyakumari" Seriously, if it was as simple as that who would have a problem. Sanghis have repeated this lie so often that they now believe it. Savarkar and the Sanghi brigade see minorities as a disease that has to be contained. They want wand co-existance under the Hindu umberella, subserviet to Braminical Hindu order and structure. The concept of nationhood is tied to religion much like the jehadi you so despise. Than is why theri vision has no takers among the minorities |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 120 of 536 ) Regarding his writings in blood: Misguided nationalsim is nothng new. Mussolini was a great nationalist, so was Hitler, So is Saddam Hussein, So was Stalin, So were the Japanese,etc. These emotional tactics were inspiring half a century ago. But that is not enough. I am sure that The Gurarati RSS is nationalistic.. I am also sure that Osama is nationalistic. Last refuge for killers today ..eh my friend. As the KhakhiKnickerBokkers are in a time wrap, so also are their heros. Lots more but I have to go: have a nice day |
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x-y-z 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 121 of 536 ) The SIMI was baned on saying it had connections with the isi , and still no proof had been put up in open. The VHP has been openly challenging the goverment and always threatened to fight against any decision that is not in their favour that is basically against the minorities and still o action is ever taken agaisnt them . the only reason is that the BJP is dependend on VHP adn cant afford to do anything against them , for then they will have to loose their support for forming a majority in the next elections. The VHP has bee itself starting riots to gain hindutva votes. i think people who support the VHP and love their contry need to consider their thought on supporting the VHP,BJP, and the Bajrang Dal. |
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x-y-z 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 122 of 536 ) The SIMI was baned on saying it had connections with the isi , and still no proof had been put up in open. The VHP has been openly challenging the goverment and always threatened to fight against any decision that is not in their favour that is basically against the minorities and still o action is ever taken agaisnt them . the only reason is that the BJP is dependend on VHP adn cant afford to do anything against them , for then they will have to loose their support for forming a majority in the next elections. The VHP has bee itself starting riots to gain hindutva votes. i think people who support the VHP and love their contry need to consider their thought on supporting the VHP,BJP, and the Bajrang Dal. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 123 of 536 ) nature: "The same should be true for SIMI, BD, BJP and some others. " Only slimy jihadi shits like you would try the old trick of placing a legitimate political party like the BJP along with bonafide muslim terrorist groups like SIMI. NAture, true to form, you are a fucking lying pedophilic piece of shit. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 124 of 536 ) x-y-z: "The SIMI was baned on saying it had connections with the isi , and still no proof had been put up in open. " Go do a google seach with keywords SIMI and ISI and nexus, you lying paki motherfucker. SIMI IS A JIHADI TERRORIST GROUP -- and has been caught distributing pamphlets with OSama Bin Laden's writings on them. So quit lying, you muslim turd. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 125 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Regarding his writings in blood: Misguided nationalsim is nothng new. " I see, so nationalism is not "misguided" when it occurs in america?? Did you see the pukeworthy flag-waving nationalistic crap the americans indulged in after 9/11?? IMO, it was not an altogether bad thing, as it kept the nation in focus. Nationalism is the same as patriotism, except that white motherfuckers in the west refer to patriotism by brown people as "nationalism", and refer to such behavior as "patriotism" when it occurs among themselves. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 126 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Sanghis on the other hand are masters of subterfuge, half-truths, double-speak and repetitious lies. They are like a mutating virus which in my mind makes them most deadly." There is sufficient evidence that the sanghis learnt all the tricks of this trade from the original masters of demagoguery and deception in the Communist and Kaangres parties. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 127 of 536 ) nature: "I prefer to keep my religion personal and to discuss it with only my close friends." I am sure you do that, especially since your personal religion seems to involve fuking pre-pubescent teenage girls. Note how nature chooses not to talk about his religion, because that would expose him as a bigot and a paki-loving jihadi asshole. This is exactly the mode most Indian muslims are in, and they need to get the mask ripped off their face to expose their true selves. |
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KarapaIl 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 128 of 536 ) nature: "I prefer to keep my religion personal and to discuss it with only my close friends." This mutherfuking nature's lying mask must be ripped and then his skin and then fuel must be poured on his body and set on fire. All these musles along with the commies and communists must be burned to death. Mutherfuking asshole traitors. Jai Bajrang Bali! Har Har Mahadev! |
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KarapaIl 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 129 of 536 ) Everyone talks about Minorities, Dalits, what not? What about us, the rest of us(read high caste Hindus)? Is this logical in a democracy like India? |
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asif 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 130 of 536 ) soon we will debate in this forum whether, 1."what we breath is air or ozone" 2. "what runs in our veins is blood or coke". it's getting ridiculous, everyone who has a minimum level of intelligence and just read daily newspaper knows that VHP is hopelessly communal and bent on dividing the nation. the sooner it's banned the better. period. |
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dilkash 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 131 of 536 ) From Sharat Pradhan in Ayodhya Parallel Hindu body declares war on VHP Sounding the bugle of revolt against the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, a parallel body of Hindu saints on Thursday resolved to work out an amicable solution to the centuries old Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid dispute in Ayodhya. Drawn from local congregations and a few other north Indian religious centres, these "anti-VHP" saints met formally for the first time on Thursday under the banner of the Vishwa Dharam Raksha Parishad. The parishad threatened to wage a war against the VHP, which they alleged was indulging in "petty politicking". The parishad resolved "to ensure peaceful co-existence of both a temple and a mosque" at the disputed site. Contrary to earlier announcements, no prominent representative of any other community was present. Social activist Nafisa Ali was the only Muslim of prominence to join the meet. While giving a clarion call to oust the VHP from the temple movement, the leaders of the outfit even threatened to use force against them. Baba Dharam Das, the mahant (caretaker) of Ayodhya''s oldest temple, Hanuman Garhi, told the gathering how he had given his property to the VHP for the construction of a temple. "Initially, when Vishnu Hari Dalmia and Ashok Singhal of [the] VHP came to me, I was taken in by their tall claims and proclaimed commitment to the cause of Ram Janmabhoomi. I could never imagine that these people would go astray and use the temple card only to fill their coffers." "All that [the] VHP has done over the years is to collect crores of rupees in the name of temple construction. I would now like to ask them what they have done with all that money, as the bank account of the Ram Temple Trust shows a far less amount," he charged. "We want to see a grand temple at the birthplace of Lord Ram, but we do not want the foundations of this temple to be laid on violence and communal disharmony," Das added. Brahmaswaroop Brahmachari, a prominent Hindu seer from Haridwar, was even more critical of VHP chief Ashok Singhal. "[The] VHP has only exploited sadhus and played with their religious feelings and sentiments," he said. "I find that Hindus and Muslims enjoy utmost cordial relations in Ayodhya, but communal trouble is fomented by people sitting in New Delhi." "Singhal had earlier tried to vitiate the environment in Haridwar by attempting to stall the construction of the Tehri Dam by distorting facts and misleading common masses. But we intervened to put things straight and then the public warned him to keep off," he said. "He stands badly exposed in Haridwar where the sadhu samaj has told him in no uncertain terms to lay off," he said. While flaying the VHP for vitiating the environment in the country, he described Thursday''s initiative "as the first significant step towards mobilising opinion among Hindu saints towards building the Ram temple in Ayodhya without disturbing communal peace". The parishad proposed to hold a major convention in Haridwar on September 22. "We will have the leading luminaries of various Hindu congregations to participate in the meet that will sound the death knell of communal bodies like the VHP," Brahmachari declared. Another saint from Haridwar, Hans Das, who is also the general secretary of the Akhil Bhartiya Sant Samiti, said: "Let the VHP leaders know that India is not a nation of Hindus alone -- it is a land of Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and Christians who have equal right over this soil. We will not allow VHP to succeed in its designs aimed at only forging a divide in the nation." |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 132 of 536 ) Krappy: "There is sufficient evidence that the sanghis learnt all the tricks of this trade from the original masters of demagoguery and deception in the Communist and Kaangres parties." Hahah dick head, the worlds oldest and most cultured elite calse learnt for the Congress, Yo... I did not know there was a Congress Party 2000 years ago!.. Tanks again buffon |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 133 of 536 ) "Everyone talks about Minorities, Dalits, what not? What about us, the rest of us(read high caste Hindus)? " Krappy, so you are a high caste Hindu, Keeping with your ilks tactics you lied when you said you were a Christian> Idiots like you are bound to stumble |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 134 of 536 ) POST 131: Thanks you Dilkash. The fundemental LIE that the BJP, RSS, VHP and BD propogate is they speak for all hindhus. Do you bastard Sanghis think you can fool all the people all the time?. The Sanghis just represent the power hungry evil dregs of our society. The slight naivete of the rest of our people is a fertile playground for their machinations. The RSS, VHP. BD are evil frauds and a Blot on the Hndu Society. They will be uprooted and relegated into some misserable corner in due time. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 135 of 536 ) How much hatred of yor own kind. Utterly miserable you sad deranged person! You need help. This is exactly what destroyed our once great country. I am going to call you Jaichand Rathod from now,or would you prefer Suryaji Pisal or Man Singh, the choice is yours. May Shri Krishna open your eyes,but I kind of doubt it. You are a gone case. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 136 of 536 ) Gandalf, I think you will be reborn as a mindless parrot in your next million lives, you will only squeak Sanghis Sanghis, upper class Hindus. Learn some new words and reprgram yourself. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 137 of 536 ) Sorry Jaichand, I missed your real name and purpose. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 138 of 536 ) Asif, you mindless Talibani, it was Muslim League that divided the country, not the RSS,the VHP was not around then, Or are you suggesting that you and your friends are planning something to be blamed ob BD/SS/Akalis/VHP/RSS. Shivaji Maharaj Ki Jai Ho. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 139 of 536 ) Sinbad: Did I say anything wrong? Have a nice weekend, I will be watching you = |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 140 of 536 ) Sinbad, slimely bringging the Akalis into this, And take your insinuations about playing into the Muslim hand and shove it. India is today like Germany in the '30's. Regular Hindus are like the general Germen population, All minorities are equal to the Jews. The Sanghis are the Nazi equivalent that are using they minorities (Jews) as a red herring to baltantly use the normal peaceful Hindus (german people) in thier quest for bombastic visions. The Sanghi is going to destry this country not some miserable Muslims, Dalits, Uppercaste, Lower castes, southies, Northies, dogs, cats. It is the Sangi who is the enemy. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 141 of 536 ) Message 129 was written by some joker who has hacked into the system, or is actually an admin of these forums. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 142 of 536 ) Gandalf: "The fundemental LIE that the BJP, RSS, VHP and BD propogate is they speak for all hindhus. Do you bastard Sanghis think you can fool all the people all the time?. " While this oft-repeated quote that the sanghi do not have the support of the hindu majority may very well be true. The jury is out on this, IMO. Given the kind of support I see for the RSS (not so much for the VHP and more chauvinistic group, I am sure), my perception is that these groups actually have a lot more support than the commie turds in the media would have us believe. Anyways, nothing like watching the news for a few more years to see whether this claim is bogus or not... |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 143 of 536 ) Gandalf: "India is today like Germany in the '30's. Regular Hindus are like the general Germen population, All minorities are equal to the Jews." Jeezus christ. Do you even understand the enormity of what you are saying? you anti-national motherfucker. You are the equivalent of the traitorous motherfuckers who sided with the british in the hopes that their Indian enemies would be vanquished "with the assistance" of the british. Reality tells us that all sides were used by the british. You are obviously too stupid to understand the similarity between the actions of these pro-british Indians and yourself. If you want to screw India just to get back at some community or some political group you dislike, all of India will disintegrate a lot faster than it will due to communal tensions. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 144 of 536 ) Gandalf: "The Sanghi is going to destry this country not some miserable Muslims, Dalits, Uppercaste, Lower castes, southies, Northies, dogs, cats. It is the Sangi who is the enemy." Sure, we should hold hands with the pakis and fuk the sanghis, right?? You have shown me the light, oh master. How could I have missed this. Please tell me how I can get pakistani assistance to wipe out the BJP leadership and the sanghis. You are the most massive patriot I ever had the luck of interacting with. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 145 of 536 ) I know that you rail on the sanghis because you believe that it will provoke me. I could care less, really. You have been an eye-opener as far as helping me understand the reality of how naive, stupid, and self-defeating most Indians are. If I hated the lying motherfuckers in the communist and the congress parties before, you have demonstrated that the attitude "lie if you have to, take the assistance of the enemy if you have to, but screw group X of Indians" (in your case X equals "sanghis"). I see the very real danger that motherfuckers of Gandalf's ilk will be joining hands with India's enemies to satisfy their own political aspirations and prejudices. Incredible. If this turd Gandalf is a true representative of the Indian populace, then India is toast. I give it a couple of decades at most as a single undivided country. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 146 of 536 ) There is no need to Ban VHP. On the contrary Congress should be banned for divideing the country , making Kashmiri Pandits refugee in their own country, spreading corruption at all levels of Indian government, trying to get foreigner as prime minister, giving more rights to minorities for votes, creating division in the country on religion, language basis. I personnaly do not support VHP's policies but its just a reaction to what Congress did to this nationa and muslims attitude in particular. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 147 of 536 ) Gandalf, I do not dislike you one bit, you are so innocent and naive.You have swallowed every bit of the Congressi abd Talibani propoganda. No, the people you feel sorry for are the ones with extra-territorial loyalty, are full of venom against the nation,and they have proven it for a whole millennium. Just look at the terror the vermin are causing in Kashmir.Look at Hyderabad and Junagadh(1948-1950) Events in Mopla land.Do you seriously believe that the insurgency in Kashmir would remain alive without local Talibanis and Paapis supporting them. Read what that filthy bastard Rauf was talking about. Whatever the shit eater wanted to talk against Bharatmata and Hindu Deities , he was ascribing to "Hindu Friends". How I wish he says this in front of some Shiv Sena Bhai or A BD Pehelwan. It is well-meaning but misled people like you who have weakened the Nation and stregthened the Paapi Talibanis. May Wahe Guru teach you some sense. Bole So Nihal Sat Shri Akal. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 148 of 536 ) Gandalf, You surpass yourself. Even you should know that Akalis are part of the coalition with BJP, Shiv Sena and others. It was Master Tara Singh who had thundered in 1947: "DRIVE THE LAST OF THE INVADERS AND THEIR PROGENY OUT OF THIS COUNTRY" Guru Govind Singh had been saying the same since 1688 till his death 1i 1707. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 149 of 536 ) BK Good points, the Congress is indeed a communal body. They created the vote banks by coddling the Muslims and encouraged anti-social ant-National behavior. The lack of an Uniform Civil Code, the creation of Article 370 of the Constitution, State support of Urdu schools(mild varieties of Madraasas),whitewashing Indian History,continuing Muslim Personal Law are some of the examples of Congressi anti-National behavior in their shameless act of garnering votes from ant-National elements. I am sure it has ocurred to you that Muslims do not ask for Sharia Law when it comes to Criminal matters.Those who broke your country in two pieces cannot be vote banks. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 150 of 536 ) Karapall: I know that you rail on the sanghis because you believe that it will provoke me.. HAHAHAHH.. dont give your self that much credit :-) And, I believe India's enemies are withing.. the miserable Pakis are to small to bother us.. If India is the elephant, Pakistan is the mouse.. Unfortuantely we seem to have this irrational fear of the mouse. Who cares about the mouse?. For me the biggest danger to this country and the society are the Sanghis. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 151 of 536 ) Sinbad.. "You surpass yourself. Even you should know that Akalis are part of the coalition with BJP, Shiv Sena and others: In that case why dont you bring in Mayawati, Telegu Desam, DMK, JD (U) etc... Secondly, I dont think that insurgency is relegious based. The fundemental problem is we do not provide fair treatment to our people. religion can be exploited, but it is not the cause. bad government is. And yes the Congress had a lot to do with it, but No the BJP is not the alternative.. a revamped Congress is. (my personal opinion.. dont get all hot under the collar :-) |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 152 of 536 ) Gandalf: "And, I believe India's enemies are withing.. " That is because you are an imbecile who cannot keep up with the news on the international front. Develop a few more brain cells and pay attention to India's problems in the international stage, as cause by our western "allies" and our "secular" patriots. But then, I am taking to a cretin who thinks that the marxist Anand PAtwardhan is a true Indian patriot, and not that filthy communist scumbag that he actually is. oh well... |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 153 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Secondly, I dont think that insurgency is relegious based. The fundemental problem is we do not provide fair treatment to our people." Cretins like you should not claim that Indians dont get justice because of malice, when the reality is the absolute incompetence of the Indian justice system. The old adage about confusing between malice and incompetence is extremely relevant here. If you go around assuming that Indians are the problem and foreigners are the solution, then you need to understand that you are part of the problem that you are trying to get rid of. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 154 of 536 ) Anand Patwardhan made a move offensive to India and Indians and WAS INTENT ON DISPLAYING IT AROUND THE WORLD. I dont know about you, but I dont think Indian patriots would go around pissing on their own country in the international arena, unless you are a "secular" Indian "intellectual" patriot like A Roy and A Patwardhan and the asshole Shekar Gupta. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 155 of 536 ) In foreign media and particularly in Indian media there is systmatic propoganda to potray hindus as fanataic and kind of terrorist. Reason is very simple. If you look at world population there are billion christian, billion muslims and billion hindus (approximately). Christian and muslim do believe in cenverting and their final goal is to make whole world to beleieve in their religion. Moreover ther is plenty of opportunities in India from capitalist point of view. Congress provided conducive atmosphere to convert people of India by allowing madressa and charities result can be seen wide spread in south and north east of India. Obviously western and muslim counries are not comfortable with people trying to bring hindu identity. As most of the muslim and christian do not endorss hinduism ad religion. Fact is hinduism knows how to protect itself. Ther is no place for terrorism in Hindu culture. Hindus do respect other religion ( note: idol worshipers in Islam are kafirs and same as people who do not follow Jesus in christianity). There is no question of banning VHP ( even though I do not endorss their stand in many cases) but time has come wher all Indian should come forward and ask for having common civil code, no reservation based on caste , creed and religion, country above relgion etc. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 156 of 536 ) BK "Christian and muslim do believe in cenverting and their final goal is to make whole world to beleieve in their religion." You got that right, BK. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 157 of 536 ) BK: "There is no question of banning VHP ( even though I do not endorss their stand in many cases) but time has come wher all Indian should come forward and ask for having common civil code, no reservation based on caste , creed and religion, country above relgion etc. " The fact that you ask for equal treatment of indians is going to make you an nationalist hindu...so watch out.... |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 158 of 536 ) BK, I am sure you have reflected over the "reasons" and "arguments" behind banning VHP and similar organizations. Take a surgical scalpel and tear up the veils and the masks of the "secularists" The truth is discernible easily now. Hindu Resurgence(some87% of the population) means India's resurgence. Now you see the Mullahs lurking behind. To them India's future is in proselytizing, their vision is Aurangzeb's vision! |
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shammi 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 159 of 536 ) Read this and decide. Should the VHP (or any organization in India that calls for ethnic cleansing of any community based solely upon religion) not be banned after this confession: VHP:'We'll repeat our Gujarat experiment' 'Singhal also spoke glowingly of how whole villages had been ‘‘emptied of Islam’’, and how whole communities of Muslims had been dispatched to refugee camps. This was a victory for Hindu society, he added, a first for the religion' http://www.indian-express.com/full_story.php?conte nt_id=8831 Congratulations, my fellow Indians! We are no different from Pakistanis when it comes to killing minorities in the name religion, or from Saudis who let their minorities live in perpetual fear. We are not morally superior anymore. How does that make us feel that now there are future Hitlers walking amongst us? |
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shammi 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 160 of 536 ) If I were a Pakistani (and I am not -- I am a proud Indian), what would be the best way for me to stir up trouble in India especially when Indian forces are poised on the border? Would it not be kill a few Hindus in a Godhara like manner, because Singhal and his murderous VHP goons would immediately fall upon Muslims, and drive some of them into my waiting hands? Are Singhal and VHP not inadvertently becoming Pakistani agents, because like Pakistan, their aim is also to cause communal trouble? How shortsighted can my countrymen become? |
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shammi 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 161 of 536 ) More on Pakistan: If I were an evil, scheming Pakistani vermin like former ISI chief Hamid Gul, what should I do to defeat India? I cannot use my military, because India's is more powerful. I cannot use nukes, because they have even more. I cannot use economic sanctions, because their economy is stronger. How about if I kill a few Hindus using a single agent of mine when they are absolutely defenceless. Knowing what happened after Godhara, I know that VHP, Bajrang Dal, RSS, etc. would immediately start killing Muslims. Whoa! I have just started a civil war. And all it took was one of my agents. For 55 years, Indian muslims have not revolted. I can start a revolt with just a few targetted killings, because the Indians are so stupid that they created the VHP, which is coiled like a powerful spring about to smash them, and have given me the trigger! Imagine, how much more dumb can one get? |
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uttar 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 162 of 536 ) No it should not be banned but its members should be burnt alive. |
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abo 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 163 of 536 ) I had never seen any other country in the world that will ban their own religious protectors. After all, all the purity in the Hindu religion that is left today in India is because of there are few aggressive Hindu fundamentalist over there. Otherwise it was lost long ago. If the Hindus believe that through the people like Swami Vivekanand, they have given the world very beautiful diamonds then they should also love the fundamentalists who prefer those thoughts. One more thing, don't forget how many times the Hindus have been attacked from oversees and forced to change their religions. Its going on since 11the century at least. |
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shashu 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 164 of 536 ) If VHP had to be banned, then Mullah's like Bukhari, Ali mian should be hanged. These are the people with their jehadi preachings influenced many muslim youth. If this kind of jehad is not yet stopped by govt, which is not in kashmir but inside india, how do you think VHP can be stopped ? |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 165 of 536 ) abo and shashu, both of you are absolutely correct. The Jehadis do not want any organizations that will make Hindus strong, they want,ultimately, a unified Paapilamd as in the Pakiland. I would disagree on one detail. The RSS/VHP/Shiv Sena are far more secular in character than the communal minded Congress that brazenly utilized the Jehadis as vote banks. You cannot call the RSS/VHP etc. as funamentalists, they are your defence against insidious funamentalism and terrorism. |
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Satnam 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 166 of 536 ) You Hindu frogs want to kill your own kind, you must be crazy. You need a stronger VHP. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 167 of 536 ) shammi: "We are no different from Pakistanis when it comes to killing minorities in the name religion, or from Saudis who let their minorities live in perpetual fear." Shammi, you brainless piece of shit. Pakistan has INSTITUTIONALIZED discrimination against minorities; India has not. So, just because you are too stupid to differentiate between law and order problems, and institutionalized bigotry, it does not mean that hindus are ethnically cleansing non hindus from India, as you claim. You are a bloody shameless liar and it shows. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 168 of 536 ) shashu: "If VHP had to be banned, then Mullah's like Bukhari, Ali mian should be hanged." Well said. |
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gg 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 169 of 536 ) In fact RSS should be banned first and its daughter organisations like, VHP, Bajrang dal etc along with Mother. Muslim or other religious orgnisations with fanatic face should also be banned. And the parties like Shiv Sena, BJP also be banned. India should look forward for having a organisation having a national secular outllook |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 170 of 536 ) gg: "And the parties like Shiv Sena, BJP also be banned." How convenient for the Congress (Italian) faction, the sycopants in the party like Mani Shankar Iyer, Ambika Soni, and other parasites who lick Antonia Maino's asshole on a daily basis. |
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gg 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 171 of 536 ) Karapall: Don't you feel you are a nut? |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 172 of 536 ) The Sanghi organisation should not be banned. They will self destruct anyway. Sanghis have caught the tiger by the tail and no-0ne knows who its going to byte. In their rush for power they have tried to expand their base including Sikhs, dalits, Buddhist, Jains, USA, NRI's etc etc. But their core ideology is nont consistent with all these groups. All they are achieving is teaching the populace that 'might is right'. Unfortunately historically this policy has always backfired. We will all pay a price but in the end you will have the Sanghis a bit lost as they would not have known what hit them.. Way to go boys.. burn on! |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 173 of 536 ) gandalf: "All they are achieving is teaching the populace that 'might is right'. Unfortunately historically this policy has always backfired." High time the populace got off their mindless pacifist hindu bullshit, and get ready to face the jihadi onslaught which will force them to face muslim jihadi barbarians who have no respect for anything in his world except for the Quran (Bee, Qasim, Sameer, and other muslims who frequent this board are perfect examples of such jihadis) They will kill maim and murder innocents for the greater glory of islam. One need not go too far back in history to note the plunder and destruction muslims cause on non muslims all over the world (Pakistan, Indonesia, and all middle-eastern countries are perfect examples of barbaric islamic societies.) " We will all pay a price but in the end you will have the Sanghis a bit lost as they would not have known what hit them." And what would hit them? The american and foreign forces that you are going to use against them?? How lovely, another patriotic Indian who does not flinch from getting used by external powers in order to screw India, much like the traitors in India's fifth column, such as N Ram, Shekar Gupta, vinod mehta, and Arundhati Roy. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 174 of 536 ) Gandalf: "But their core ideology is nont consistent with all these groups. All they are achieving is teaching the populace that 'might is right'. " Care to elaborate? Or were you lying as usual?? If it is the latter, forget the elaboration and back to telling everyone that you are a "secular" "patriotic" Indian. I am sure that everyone will believe you once they read what you write. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 175 of 536 ) "I am sure that everyone will believe you once they read what you write" If you say so, Krappy duffer darling |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 176 of 536 ) If all the faithfuls diligently vote for Congress, they will ban the wretched VHP and the murderous clones! Let the Congress fight your battles.We need a thumping Congress victory.Then we will see. Inshallah, everything will work out. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 177 of 536 ) Sinbad this goes to prove that duplicity is the other name for Sanghis.. Can you as the flag bearer desist from causing troubel.. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 178 of 536 ) Karunadhi had this gem today. He said all temple in tamil nadu should have their prayers in Tamil. And if godd cant understand Tamil, he should get out of Tamil Nadu.. What say guys.. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 179 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Karunadhi had this gem todayHe said all temple in tamil nadu should have their prayers in Tamil. And if godd cant understand Tamil, he should get out of Tamil Nadu.." So this senile turd is a tamil chauvinist. Tell us something we dont know, asshole. This is the same asshole who had brahmin accountants and personal physiscians throughout the time he was running his anti-brahmin campaign in TN. Now, his sons are some of the biggest heroin smugglers in TamilNadu. I spit on the face of this asshole and his degenerate clan. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 180 of 536 ) sinbad, good job. Once all the RSS and VHP folks are exterminated, I think India can serve as the leading light in the world and lead the world on the path of morality. The very same moral brilliance that Indians like Gandalf and anwarsad exhibit regularly. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 181 of 536 ) And don't forget Allah understnds Arabic only. Qaran must be recited in Arabic! |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 182 of 536 ) Gandalfji, Pls improve your language.Karapall is the smartest person on the MB, followed by perhaps Satnam, you are a little behind,I am sorry to say. What tears my heart is that sharp incisive minds like Karapall have not yet been won over to the great cause.Perhaps, Anwarsadji has made an error in judgment by abusing Karapallji without provocation instead of lighting the path. I will do that now.Anwarsadji also deviates from honesty,I am very sorry to say. See how I have progressed.I will continue my learning till I achieve perfection like Beeji has. Inshallah. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 183 of 536 ) Karapallji, Salaam Alyekum, Pls do not get angry with me. I hold you in the highest regard.But come on the right path,be on the winning side. Learn from the brilliance of the great Mualana Abul Kalam Azad. How he fed that fool Nehru the soporifics of secularism,while secretly stregthening the Kaum. He was correct.Shivaji was a misguided patriot.He prologed the war by centuries!I shudder to think what agonies awaited him in afterlife. Just see the great strategy of our planners. They have fed the same soporifics to the English media and these fools have swallowed them wholesale. Surely, we will have to discard them once the great day arrives! Also see ,my friend and brother, they will come to our side more strongly when they see that we are the winners. Baat samz gayi. Bhai kabhi kabhi paise bhi khilane padte hai.And these idiots, sorry, are Bikau people but they are serving a purpose. The great cause is what matters. Sorry for being cynical,but the battle must be fought in every direction. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 184 of 536 ) Quoran in Arabic, Shlokas in Sanskirt.. hahahahahaha.. funny how the similarity strikes. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 185 of 536 ) Gandalfji, You should not attack God's word. There was a definitive design why it was revealed in Arabic. Sanskrit is a dead language and that too is from a divine will.It has served its purpose which is now over and has been so for nearly 1400 years. Pls try to understand. I have just begun to. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 186 of 536 ) Hindu must wake up and not only defend themselves but must teach our own brother and sisters who have got misguded by foreigh culture. This culture is spreading hatred and terrorism. We must bring misguided people who are lucky to beborn in India , holy land where God has come so many times in Human form. By true teaching this people will give up hatred and terrorism and killing of people, storming temples. God is great truth will prevail Satymev Jayte. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 187 of 536 ) BK, God visited the earth only once and he chose to spend his time in the desert along with the arabs. You should understand that you stone worshippers do not understand the glory of Allah and his creation. In our holy book, the lord has spoken through our prophet (PBUMHOH) and clearly stated that unless the whole world is made a desert again, he will not shower his blessing on us muslims. So, my brothers and friends in islam, please support all efforts in this direction -- a couple of nukes smuggled out of pakistan would be a huge improvement and a blessing. Now, go forth in the holy name of allah and wipe out those pagans, idolators, christian, and jewish vermin. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 188 of 536 ) I am waiting waht so called secularist say about attack on tepmle in Gujarat and how they justify it. Jehadis ofcourse has got direction from Allah and his book to carrry out such acts so they need not justify because in their book this goes without saying. Give up foregn , barbaric culture which spread hatred toward other religion and people and advocate nothing but killing. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 189 of 536 ) Good Point BK, I am sure every bastard who is not Supporting the patriatic RSS< VHP AND BD are secreatly blaming hindus for the attack. These Muslims are foreigners just like the Christians.. They are meat eaters. We should have a justified reaction ( how can anyone say it is not justified) We should now understand that what we Hindus lead by stalwarts like Singal and Togadia have been says is true. All Muslims and Minorities are terrorsist because they do not worship Bharat mata |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 190 of 536 ) Gandalfji, Salaam Alyekum, You sound bitter. Pls, my brother, pls realize that this was all Allah's will. We are but pawns in his hands. But there must be restrictions now on idol worship in public for the sake of communal harmony. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 191 of 536 ) Gandalf: Do not bring all minorities in the picture. Parsis, Buudhist, Christians and all othe minorities are not like muslims. I am even proud of Sikhs services to Inida. Muslim by their adopted (wrong) culture only believe in hatred and killing. They must undrstand that India is not arabland. They must reject that idolworshipers are Kafir because India's culture is based on Idol worshipping. This is best way to approch God. You must reject such book which not only against hindus but alos spread hatred and teaches killing. All minorites are not terrorist and no one believs that. Muslims only believe in hatred your dream is to further divide India. This is not going to happen. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 192 of 536 ) BKji, Salaam Alyekum, my brother. Once again you go wrong, my brother, pls forgive me for being so outspoken. The Grand Design that we hold so dear is to UNIFY,not fragment,India under Allah's laws. Pls try to understand, my brother. Obviously, odious practices like idolatry will have to go immediately,but peace and prosperity will be yours. May Allah be praised. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 193 of 536 ) sinbad, Salaam Aleykum, my brother in islam. I mistakenly thought Gandalf was our friend in islam but he has disappointed us. This is not surprising given that he is a christian and an enemy of the muslim peoples, as the prophet (PBUH) mentions in his holy book, Sura 5 verse 11. If it were not for true muslims like Maulana Abul Kalam Azad who stated that Gandhiji is less of a human than any muslim, and he was right. Only people like him can help muslims understand their inherent superiority. As muslims who understand what is happening in the world today, we must wake up our muslim brothers and sisters in India to rise up in revolt against the kafirs. Once these idolators are taken care of, the jews and christians can be easily handles as we outnumber them. Praise be to allah for all glory goes to him. Adaab. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 194 of 536 ) sinbadji, Excellent point you make, my brother. Islam, as we all know, IS THE MOST PEACEFUL RELIGION in the world. Therefore, we must UNIFY India by using islam A fine way to start this unification is to give bad press to the idolator kafirs, who are lesser people than us muslims. Once this is done, we can let the blood of the kafirs run on the street, and then peace will reign for a thousand years in India. Long live India, may she be a true friend of the Ummah with our help and Allah's blessings. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 195 of 536 ) Gandalf: "All Muslims and Minorities are terrorsist because they do not worship Bharat mata" Oh devious christian and enemy of islam. Do not give islam a bad name or the wrath of allah will be upon you. Of course, non muslim minorities are the enemies of the Bharat, but muslims are true sons of the soil, and we will all work on god's plan to establish a khilafat that raises the greatest of glories to the Prophet (PBUH) and his lord Allah. Peace, my brother. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 196 of 536 ) sinbadji, I think more and more people are noticing that we muslims are correct because we never use bad language and use the word "peace" as often as possible. I think this should help more of these kafirs to understand where they went wrong, and they should breakup their useless idols and understand that they have been defaming allah by worshipping the wrong gods, all thousand of them. |
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papu 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 197 of 536 ) Hallo Karapall and Sindbad how you great allah is going to unite the world if he couldnt even unit the Muslims. They are buthering each other daily like in Pak and Afghan and in the end the kafir USA had to came to help. Where is you Prophet and Allah?. Your Prophet and Allah have been struggling for the past 1400years to create Muslim World but how much they achieved? The problem with you fellows is you and your prophet don't understand god. Learn from the Hindus and see god everywhere-that is the way to peace not sword/bombs. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 198 of 536 ) Papu. Karapullah is a Christian and Sinbadeen is a Hindu. Both are fanatics whose only attachment to their religions are that they were born into it. As Jiggs once said, fanatics will be fanatics where ever they are born. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 199 of 536 ) BK, I agree with you that Jihadi Muslims must know that they will not be tolerated. But I dont agree about ur point on the book. All relegious works are flawed but man learns to live together. Would you accept it if Hindus in US as asked to thouw away their teachings because it says its a sin to eat meat? |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 200 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Would you accept it if Hindus in US as asked to thouw away their teachings because it says its a sin to eat meat?" Eating meat (or not eating it) is not a violent act, you stupid turd. The objection to the Quran is (1) it's overt calls for violence on non muslims (2) muslim claims that they believe everything in the Quran word for word. Each time I think you are a cretin who has scraped the bottom of the brain barrel, you surprise me by going beyond the bottom. Your monumental stupidity is legendary, and must be documented for the sake of humanity. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 201 of 536 ) All people except muslims are fanatic. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 202 of 536 ) BKji,BKji, Salaam Alyekum, Tears of joy are flowing through my eyes now that you have decided to join the true faith.First Karapallji , now you, next Satnamji. The progress is indeed wonderful.May Allah be praised. Pls permit me brother, to show how Allah's ways work, or what little I can understand because I still have a long ,long way to go. You see when the great Mahmud Ghori came to liberate India from bondages of idolatry, he had to face the powerful Prithviraj Chauhan.It is only Sanghi propoganda that he was a robber and a rapist. He was a saintly man. (cont) |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 203 of 536 ) (continiuing) Prithviraj defeated Mahmud seven times and quite handily. Allah came to the rescue by finding Jaichand Rathod. In the eighth battle Prithviraj lost. Mahmud the Great blinded him and had him flogged to death as deserves a Kafir. Then in the sixteen hundreds,there arose this devil Shivaji.This name makes most of us faithfuls tremble even now, such was this devil, the mountain rat, as Nehruji rightly called him.Fortunately, Allah, dispatched him at an early age. He was succeeded by another fanatic, his son Sambhaji.Sambhaji was so powerful that he could and often did crush two faithfuls under his arms(see great historian Kafi Khan).Aurangzeb, the great, was no match for him inspite of having ten times Sambhaji's troopps. Allah sent Kalusha Kabji as Prime Minister to turn Sambhaji, the Devil's son. Aurangzeb offered him the freedom to become a faithful. Sambhaji rejected, what a fool. He had to be tortured for 33 days but the stubborn fellow persisted.Unfortunately, Tarabai , Sambhaji's sister-in-law crushed the great visionary Aurangzeb. Then came 1947 and the faithfuls won Pakistan, the pure land. Dastardly people like Savarkar and Golwalkar, real fanatics, were calling to check seperatists, meaning us faithfuls, what nastiness!Allah sent Nehru and Gandhi who worked ,just like Jaichand and Kaluja Kabji, against their own people and thus for us faithfuls,of course the Great Mulana Abul Kalam Azad helped from inside.How cleverly he called to silence Hindu fanatics for the sake of communal harmony. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 204 of 536 ) Now Allah has blessed us with Maino, some call her Mainabai, it should really be Mainabegum.Plus we have Manishankar Aiyar and the Indian Express. Now pls keep a little secret, we had to make a little transfer to Arundhati's Swiss account. Her books were not selling ,you see.We are also blessed by having Gazis like Dawood Ibrahim. See how Allah has saved him from that haramkhor Chota Rajan.Only the idolaters can produce gangsters like Chota Rajan. and Arun Gawali. We, the faithfuls, produce valiant people like Chota Shakeel and Abu Salem, true Gazis. So the dice are cast ,victory is ours. May Allah be praised. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 205 of 536 ) Papuji, Salaam Alyekum, I am deeply pained by the tone in your letter. Pls try to understand, my brother that the travails are due to two reasons.One, the nasty Christian crusaders are deliberately fomenting unrest in the Islmic world by spreading decadent western notions. Secondly, Allah is testing us. But realize,my esteemed brother, that Islam is the religion of humanity, peace and tolerance.Peace will come to this land when all submit to Allah's word as dictated through his last prophet, Mohammed(PBUH).Mean while the battle for people's hearts and minds continues. Pls remember that the true faithfuls must fight the unbelievers until no other religion than Islam is left(2:193, from the Holy Koran)It also says that unbelievers will go to hell and drink boiling water(14:17)For those who do not believe in Allah and his Messenger(PBUH), Allah has prepared a Blazing Fire(48:13) So pls my friend and brother, join us to bring peace and harmony to all mankind. May Allah be praised. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 206 of 536 ) Karapallji, Salaam Alyekum, Bravo, Bravo, my brother, you are to be applauded. All pleasures will be yours in paradise. You surpass yourself. You are arguments are masterly. I am proud of you ,my brother, I am proud of you. You are absolutely right. Peace will be ours only after the idolaters are subdued and won over. I made a small mistake today. I let the little secret out that a transfer was made to Arundhati's account. You think I will be forgiven, Allah is most compassionate and merciful. Pls read in the Holy Book that when the faithfuls kill in His Name it is not us but Allah(8:17) The Prophet(PBUH) has advised the faithfuls that: "strike off the head of the unbelievers and after making a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives(47:4) Thus it is clear that all idolaters must be told to change their wrong ways and all idols destroyed.Otherwise they know what to expect. Oh, I cannot wait to see one unified India under the joint leadership of Musharrafji and Bukhariji. May Allah be praised.May peace prevail on this earth and true tolerance between the faithful. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 207 of 536 ) Karapallji, Salaam Alyekum, What will happen to Gandalfji.I am worried about him. He is not too bright either to see the writing on the wall. Pls Gandalfji, pls, come over and begin the glorious transition like we have. Satnamji, we need smart people like you , there are too many feeble-minded brothers like Rehan, Qasim,Azad etc. And Anwarsadji has a defective memory and is not known for his honesty, but is skillful in diverting from real issues like the Father of the New Nation, the glorious Maulana Azad. Praise be to Allah. |
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qasim 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 208 of 536 ) Dear Sinbad, Please relax. I am an Indian Muslim and don't think that we should ever force anyone to accept our Faith. Though I have great love for my faith, I totally understand and respect the fact that others may have the same love and respect for their Faith. I maynot believe in their religion, but I respect their religion because I respect many of the people who follow it. That's how I see it... |
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qasim 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 209 of 536 ) Karapall:"The objection to the Quran is (1) it's overt calls for violence on non muslims (2) muslim claims that they believe everything in the Quran word for word." The call for violence against "non muslims" was for the particular non muslims of the time for particular reasons of the time. Even at that time it was not a call for violence against all (or most) non muslims. Those Ayahs are related to particular incidents of that time and should not be applied without wisely studying these. It is only foolish and ignorant people who generalize these verses to all times(or most times) and all situations(or most situations). According to Islam, you cannot and shouldnot be rude to someone who is nice to you. That is Islam, you have to believe it. |
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bhartiye 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 210 of 536 ) I agree with qasim. The very name Islam comes from the Arabic root word 'salama' which means peace. Islam is a religion, which is based upon achieving peace through the submission to the will of GOD. Thus, by this very simple linguistic definition, one can ascertain as to what the nature of this religion is. If such a religion is based on the notion of peace, then how is it that some acts done by its adherents are contrary to peace? The answer is simple. Such actions, if not sanctioned by the religion, have no place with it. They are not Islamic and should not be thought of as Islamic. If we look at history around the world we can point out culprits in every religion, who have used their religion at one time or the other to commit atrocities. If we were to judge religions based upon their extremist attitude and violence then the list will go long. One can relate Hinduism also with violence based on the Delhi riots against Sikhs in 1984, or killing of Graham Staines in Orissa or when nuns are raped, or when dalits are burned alive or when innocent children and women are killed in Gujraat. One can relates Christianity also with violence when there was is a terrorist attack by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) or the Christian insurgents in North East India. Sikhism can also be related with violence when there are atrocities committed in the name of Khalistan. The list will go on. It’s grave mistake of considering the culprits who commit these crimes Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc., first and criminals second. We must know that they are the criminals first and anything else later. |
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bhartiye 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 211 of 536 ) ...........their extremist attitude and violence then the list will go long. One can relate Hinduism also with violence based on the Delhi riots against Sikhs in 1984, or killing of Graham Staines in Orissa or when nuns are raped, or when dalits are burned alive or when innocent children and women are killed in Gujraat. One can relates Christianity also with violence when there was is a terrorist attack by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) or the Christian insurgents in North East India. Sikhism can also be related with violence when there are atrocities committed in the name of Khalistan. The list will go on. It’s grave mistake of considering the culprits who commit these crimes Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc., first and criminals second. We must know that they are the criminals first and anything else later. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 212 of 536 ) We do not need foreign culture to undrstand what peace means. Whole world today knows who is preaching peace and ho is preaching terrorsit. If you killed idol worshipers as per book you are doing good thing which in turn brings peace for islam. Less kafir= peace. Only religion which does not criticse any other religion or parctice of other religion is Hinduism. Bases of Hinduism is Love , peace and closeness to God. There is no Jehad, there are no Kafirs . WE DO NOT NEED FORIGHN RELIGION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PEACE MEANS. FROM DAILY EVENT YOU CAN JUDGE HOW MUCH PEACE WE SEE BECAUSE OF THIS CULTURE. All people in subcontinent must give up such foregn culture. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 213 of 536 ) Qasim: "Those Ayahs are related to particular incidents of that time and should not be applied without wisely studying these." So who is going to take responsibility for the millions of muslims WHO ARE APPLYING THESE AYAHS on hindus, jews, and christians, AS WE SPEAK?? You "moderate" muslim assholes conveniently claim that these islamic terrorists are not "real" (TM) muslims because they did something that portrays you assholes in a bad light. NEVER EVER have I heard a muslim openly state that these terrible verses in the Quran must be eschewed. From where I stand, assholes like you are as much of a terrorist as the bastardly pigs who killed and injured 80 people yesterday. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 214 of 536 ) bhartiye: "The very name Islam comes from the Arabic root word 'salama' which means peace. Islam is a religion, which is based upon achieving peace through the submission to the will of GOD. " Islam means SUBMISSION TO ALLAH (not GOD as you claim, you lying fukwit). IT DOES NOT MEAN PEACE. Islam claims to be peaceful because once everyone has submitted to allah, peace will prevail, or so the muslim rhetoric goes. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 215 of 536 ) bhartiye: "Such actions, if not sanctioned by the religion, have no place with it. They are not Islamic and should not be thought of as Islamic." This is the standard muslim rejoinder to any fact that explicitly points to the Quran as the source of jihad and all violence. If those actions are motivated by violent verses in the Quran, then such violence IS SANCTIONED by RELIGION. Bhartiye, let us know when you are done regurgitate the worthless tripe you memorized back when you were actively in the communist party. Till then, you are just another pseudo-intellectual motherfucker who has an agenda of whitewashing the communalism of muslims in India. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 216 of 536 ) sinbad, qasim, My dear brothers in islam. It is matter of great sadness that people like Karapall are twisitng the messages of peace in Islam. When sura 5 states that christians and jews must be considered as enemies of muslims, it is meant only in the nicest possible way. It does not mean any disrespect for jews or idolators. Also, when the Prophet (PBUH) says that muslims should lay in wait and create strategems (sura 9) to vanquish the pagans, jews, and other enemies of islam, he only means it for the good of the jews and the pagans. After all, once they are muslims, there will no enemities among us peoples. We will all be happy and contented under the divine umbrella provided by the infinitely merciful and divine one through his messenger the prophet (PBUH). |
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bhartiye 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 217 of 536 ) It's nothing but wastage of time and energy to talk to Krapall of biased manidset. When hindus killing and raping..it's hindutva and when muslims killing it's terrorism. HEY RAM ! Kaun samjhaye is maderchod ko..na manoo main haridaas..main to harami kee aulaad hoon...asshole ! |
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papu 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 218 of 536 ) Hallo sindbad, all that you wrote in your message is nothing new to me; I knew that when I was in primary school. In your writing you only proved how true is Salman Rushdy-the satanic verses. You, like a fanatic irrational person keep repeating the verses without really understanding the meaning. You are telling the unrest in most of the Muslim countries is caused by the West; if that is true than what the hell your allah and his prophet are doing; playing foot ball? Dont tell me all about testing;god is not an idiot to test somebody?? For ages you Muslims repeat Muhamad is the last prophet, do you know the meaning?. You repeat PBUH so often for every word you utter, why? Does that mean your great prophet has no peace? He should be in the heaven enjoying with the women as promised by Allah in Quran. What the hell is he doing in the hell that he needs help from people like you? He must have realised the trrible sin he did to the mankind that he beg you fellows pray for him throught the ages, is that not true? Your writing is only proving either you or your prophet/Allah are idiots, that is the least to say. Please urgue with points and dont just repeat Quran without digesting! Please unswer one of my main question in simple words. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 219 of 536 ) bhartiye: One of us has a closed mind, and it aint me. Do you have anything substantive to say, my dear brother in islam?? If not, dont worry, we will make sure that the friends of islam in the Indian media slander the hindus on a regular basis. After all, the Quran has said that we muslims need to vanquish and slaughter the idolator kafirs, pagans, and jews and christians if we want to spread the message that ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE. Why are these pagans and idolators so against our plans to kill them?? It is clear that these hindoo idolators are nothing but a bunch of bloodthirsty fascists. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 220 of 536 ) papu, you are preaching to the choir. sinbad's message is in earnest sarcasm. |
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soulkarm 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 221 of 536 ) YES ! !! ! !! |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 222 of 536 ) http://www.bharatvani.org/books/pipp/ch5.htm to all you hindus, please read about the history of the anti-hindu bigotry exhibited by the Indian communists. They continue to hold academic positions in institutions like JNU that provide a majority of the journalist workforce to the english-language media in India. They create the shekar guptas, parful bidwais, pankaj mishras, vinod mehtas, josy josephs, and Arundhati roys who are more anti-hindu and anti-India than most Indians can tolerate. Hindus have to understand that their real enemy is the liberal, pro-communist, english-speaking, liberal elite who are part of the opinion makers among urban indians. These people always whitewash muslim crimes because muslims have already demonstrated that they will kill anyone who speaks ill of the muslim community in India. Time for hindus to create such feelings about hindus too. Otherwise, these bastards will give hindus a bad name all over the world to gain an advantage in local Indian politics. This is the kind of communist scum you are dealing with. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 223 of 536 ) Bhartiye, Excellent mailing. We the faithfuls can never commit any wrongs and we know why. We only act on Allah's commands as narrated to the Prophet(PBUH) But we must keep the grand design of bringing India under Islam, the only true religion in the world, a secret. You are doing a great job, keep on doing it.And we have to damage the RSS/VHP/Shiv Sena/BD and even the Nationalist Akalis, they are the fangs and claws of this decadent Indian Nation as it stands today with 88% being filthy idolaters.It is only with Pakistam and Bangla Desh together that we the faithfuls have a fighting chance with some 35%-40% of the total population.Meanwhile we have to give soporifics of secularism to the stupid Hindus and lull them into a sense of security. May ALLAH be praised. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 224 of 536 ) Papuji, In the name of Allah the Merciful and Allah the Compassionate, I am deeply wounded by your message #218, and the intemperate language used therein.I only beseech thee to read my messages #202 and #203 wherein I have proved it is Allah's will that India became a country of staunch faithfuls. Pls take the pain to read them, I beg of you, my dear brother. You must know that the Koran was revealed to Mohammed, the Prophet(PBUH), by Allah,and thus every word in the Koran is Allah's command.It is specifically stated in the Holy Koran that idolatry is Satan worship and thus the most unpardonable sin.The other sin is lack of belief in the Holy Koran. Allah forgives all sins but these two. Thus all actions taken by the faithful to suppress idolatry are fully sanctioned and must be seen in that light. Inspite of Maulan Azad's valiant effort to delete certain parts, it still comes through the history books that tens of thousands of Hindu temples were razed by the valiant Sultans and the Moguls and millions of idolaters put to death. But remember these tasks were necessary to bring Allah's message to the idolaters and thus fully justifiable. Pls also understand that the wives and children of those who idolaters who had to be killed were sold of as slaves to the faithfuls and had the honor to submit to the will of Allah.Thus these acts were actually great humanitarian acts and all believers should be justly proud. The terrorists were Satan's agents like that Shivaji. He must burn in hell for he reversed the flow of the river,so to say.Govind Singh also was a terrorist and he too is burning in hell. Savarkar and Golwalkar were nothing but pagans who wanted to make this decadent country ,India as it stands today, strong. They are burning in hell as well. Who needs a Satanic Hindu Rashtra, secular as it may be. Pls reflect over this my brother and see the light as brothers Karapallji and Bkji have.Your rewards in paradise will be truly astonishing. Praise be to Allah. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 225 of 536 ) Papuji, Thus I implore you to grow up and submit to the will of Allah. Fight to ban the RSS/VHP/Shiv Sena/BD/Akalis so that this decaying country, India ,will weaken further and a Gazi like Musharraf can invade with the help of the faithfuls and liberate all of us. Praise be to Allah. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 226 of 536 ) sinbad bhai, Salaam aleikum, my brother in islam. You speak very correctly that muslims are the chosen peoples and they are braver and stronger than the weak and stupid idolators. As muslims, it is our duty to allah to make sure that these idolators either see the path or die by the sword of islam. Peace, my brother. Most english-speaking hindus will accept the worthlessness of hinduism and its idolworshipping. However, these hindu fascists like RSS and VHP and BJP dont wat to come under the sword of islam. They should all be slandered and destroyed via violence in or |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 227 of 536 ) Karapallji,My esteemed brother in Islam, Sallam Alyekum, I beg to differ with you in one minor detail, which ,of course, does not detract from the substance of our argument.Pls brother, try to understand, I beseech thee. Yes, we the faithfuls are Allah's chosen people and to us belong the Kingdoms of Heaven and Earth. Praise be to Allah. But pls remember people such as you and me who have been won over by the humanitarian aspects of the Glorious Koran are still few and far in between.Most in India ,unfortunately ,were frightened or bribed to accept the true faith, which is fine. But it created masses of weak people, both intellectually and in courage. Allah, pls forgive me for being outspoken. But that is why terrorists like Shivaji and Tarabai easily defeated us. Allah, pls fortify the believers.In fact since Shivaji declared his rebellion at the age of 14 in 1644, we faithfuls have only tasted the bitter taste of defeat and humiliation.It will all change for Allah is Merciful and Compassionate.But we have to learn from the example of the the great Gazi, Tipu Sultan.Whenever, Peshve Madhavrao attacked Tipu used to beg for peace. The moment Madhavrao went back Tipu used to become a lion again and bring more people under the hold of the faith through the grace of his valiant sword, which always fell down before the Maratha thugs though. See now Moplaland is practically full of believers.The moment Kashmir is liberated, the Moplas will rise against the idolaters' State.May Allah be praised. Victory is ours and only ours. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 228 of 536 ) The fucker has already decided that VHP will be banned. And lovely parallel he draws with Al Qaida !!!!! VHP employs suicide bombers to bomb women and children in market place and shopping malls? VHP youth hijack planes and ram them into tall buildings killing thousands of people? VHP cries out jihad for establishing hinduism throughout the world? VHP divides the world into dar ul hindu and dar ul non hindu? VHP rapes children in the name of the 'holy father'? VHP rapes hindu nuns and pins the blames on christians? VHP blasts mosques and pins the blame on christians? |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 229 of 536 ) VHP calls mohammad a terrorist? VHP says muslims are worse than nazis? VHP says all christians are immersed in a dark pit and their souls have to be harvested? VHP tells muslims to pay jaziya tax? VHP tells hindus to slay the non-idolator? VHP asks hindus to take on 4 wives and never to resort to birth control? VHP indulges in circumcision of dicks? VHP tells hindus to loot the belongings of non-hindus and take their women as a bounty? VHP tells hindus to lay seige for non-hindus and slaughter them? |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 230 of 536 ) VHP tells hindus to carry out inquisition on christians? Cut off the breasts of christian women, cut off their eyelids so that they can watch their children being sawed alive, cut off the legs of christians if they refuse to pray in the temple, cut off their tongues if they refuse to read passages from the Gita, Burn christians at stake. Is VHP doing all this? A guy who did all this is now called a SAINT Francis Xavier. VHP tells the hindus to produce more babies (like what the pope is telling italians)? VHP issue fatwa against writers who speak or write ill about hinduism? VHP supports Osama bin laden and issues a war cry for civil war in India (like Imam Bukhari)? VHP calls Deepa Mehta and Nandita Das as whores (like how Imam Bukhari affectionately addressed Shabani Lesbi)? |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 231 of 536 ) What the fuck should the VHP be banned for? "Vandalism at Ayodhya" All muslims should be banned for they are aulads and followers of Babar the bastard who vandalised the Ram temple at Ayodhya and erected a constuction in memory of his victory over the kafirs. "Genocide and ethnic cleansing" In India, this happens in Kashmir where hindus are butchered and driven out (in lakhs!!)solely for the purpose of being hindus. "openly threatening to subvert the rule of law in India." This is what Imam bukhari does when he repeatedly issues jihad for civil war in India and converts the Jama Masjid into a terrorist hideout. And Syed Shahabuddin did when he made Haji Mastan threaten Rajiv Gandhi with death if the SC decision in Shah Bano case was not overturned by passing a legislation in the parliament. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 232 of 536 ) If indulging in ‘alleged’ violence is the reason cited, all the commies and most kaangress wallahs should be stoned to death first for they are the fountainhead of all political violence in the country, for over 5 decades. If indulging in ‘alleged’ communal hatred is the reason cited, then ALL the madrassas and most Islamic charity organizations in India should be banned TODAY for they are the hotbed for inciting communal violence and all anti-national activities in the country. If retaliating against islamic savagery is a ground for banning someone, then hinduism itself has to be banned since its presence causes the peaceful muslims to resort to violence, much against their wish !!!!!! Now, what the fuck should the VHP be banned for? |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 233 of 536 ) vikram99: "Now, what the fuck should the VHP be banned for?" For not being PR-savvy while fucking these communal pseudo-secular motherfuckers and the bigoted, jihadi muslim motherfuckers. They should allow the elections in Gujarat to be held peacefully, and not embarrass people on the same side as them. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 234 of 536 ) I agree. These bull headed turds need to learn the art of 'killing while smiling' |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 235 of 536 ) There is one and only one reason to ban the VHP. The VHP like the RSS and Shiv Sena is seen as an obstacle in the path of The Grand Design of reestablishing Muslim rule lost in the late 1600s. The main crime of these organizations: They speak the truth and want to reinvigorate the Hindu community. See how kind our Muslim brothers are: They have not called for mass executions of the members of above organizations for blasphemy. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 236 of 536 ) Readers, I respectfully draw your kind attention to two passages on secularism that I sent. #89 & #92 in Hindu Interests Are...... |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 237 of 536 ) Vikramji, #228 to #231 are excellent posts, straight from the soul. Well done, brother. |
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jbindra 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 238 of 536 ) We shall overcome. All duh Turds Ban VHP ? No lets pet them, they're soo cute and cuddly. Why dont you offer your moms and sisters to them for a rape and roast fest ? No no, they add good fragrances to the Indian atmosphere which is infected by the putrifying shit on the streets and clogged nullahs. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 239 of 536 ) Bindra maderchot, Seems a few Pakis buttfucked you simultaneously, hence the CLOGGED ANAL PASSAGE of yours. Did they clog your alimentary canal too,you should not blow more than two Pakis simultaneously. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 240 of 536 ) jbindra, the pimp: "Ban VHP ? No lets pet them, they're soo cute and cuddly. Why dont you offer your moms and sisters to them for a rape and roast fest?" Fucker, now you exhibit your gutter level. Bastard, give an answer, not hot farts. Give an answer to only one question of the 20 and odd questions that I have asked. If you can't, go back to your dick sucking career and don't pollute the atmosphere here. Pigs like you make a sty where ever you go. Read the board - PIGS AND JBINDRA NOT ALLOWED. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 241 of 536 ) Note that "we shall overcome" This pig's ass is a pure Khalistani,they are cowards, all of them. Most of them sit in Canada and spit venom without any effect.They are a laughing stock even within their own community. They ran into India to save their worthless rear ends and then bit the hand that fed them.Pure traitors. What happened to Guru Govind Singh's warriors? A significant number has now become pure pimps and whores. Go to www.sikhe.com if you guys want a sample of Khaistani hatred and impotence.I believe this is Canada based. |
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jbindra 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 242 of 536 ) We shall overcome. The Brainless Blabberers If you think the VHP shouldnt be banned, then you are definitely in support of their criminal mindset. How can you then ask for the banning of SIMI, LeT, KLO and other organizations which you think are anti national. They too want their own nation, Muslim or Sikh and it is no different from your design of turning India into a saffron theocracy on which all the world should spit like they do on Saudi Arabia. Whatever happened to Rambhakts ? I think they gave their souls to Ravana so that they can rave, rape, rant and roast like the rakshas himself. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 243 of 536 ) dickless duffer, "How can you then ask for the banning of SIMI, LeT, KLO and other organizations which you think are anti national." Fucker, go back to my messages 228 to 232. If you wanna have a cultured debate that is. But then gutter bastards like you don't want to have any sensible discussion on anything - exactly the same way as the AIMPLB and AIBMAC. (I atleast presume you know what these stand for?). You marxist turds know the answer for everything. And if you don't know the answer, then the question is wrong, of course !!! |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 244 of 536 ) jbindra: "If you think the VHP shouldnt be banned, then you are definitely in support of their criminal mindset. " You are still not answering the pointed questions vikram asked you a few posts earlier. Instead you want to start bogus arguments by drawing comparison between the VHP and the islamic jihadi terrorist shitheads. Sorry, but it cuts no dice. Answer twenty questions if you want to claim that you are interested in a genuine debate. Else, you are just another spit-and-run marxist/khalisthani fuckhead, in which case I piss on you and your ilk. |
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Tathagat 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 245 of 536 ) appa DeepO bhava Ban all Sanghii outfits including its political wing BJP... or else this baboonland beyond any governance... ...ah ABV lumpen constituency at best display and exposing themselves all this morning... insulting the intelligence of the jaahil janata... 'functionary channels' and state sponsored 'functionary' media [official truth pusher 4 a profit] projected 2/3rd majority 4 bhaartiya lumpen party in forthcooming assembly elections in Gujarat... it's gonna be a big big surprise guys... INC will git a 2/3rd majority... everyone wanna raise and praise and promote their children... everyone a dhritraashtra these days... and ah now the offsprings showing same blind affection... writing books... huh!!! who is fookin' interested in voting in a jenocidal danga paarty of hoodlums... worse than fookin' tolaibaaN... ...lumpen mandally live on TV... looks like already a hindu raashtra in from the back door... such moonkies live... chanting... paad... paad or something... paad incidently we call a fart... lol... and they want a paad shaahii... we already got a king fart on top... what more do they want... ?!?... other meaning of paad is feet... the worship these menials doin' is called 'padukon pooja'... worshipping wooden slippers is it? one could barely walk in those... how fookin' uncivilised they were then too?!? tathagat has said this b4 here... but wud loov 2 repeat... in 20 years top 50 countries wud be ruled by women... including these bunch of cuntrees called India... then shree raam will be coonsidered a criminal... 4 the bad treatment meted out 2 his babe... somebody tell the detail pl... 11:45 they are out... Godhra bound... what a 'bajrangii' theatre... so utterly rustic and disgusting... their discourse... [off2puke ;)]... lol... and utterly exposed at that... tch tch!!! ah arrested... Zee unspools the tape... tum ho khalnaayak... aur yeh duniya dekh rahii hai... only brahmins are 'arya' and rest are 'Hindu' which is every effing durty word in the Persian and arabic dictionaries... and btw... is this dhammendra related 2 kabaaRii scientist Kalaam or are they twins?!? ...and hey lumpen, menial don't expect Maryada Personottam Imaandaartonam, kartaviyanishTham Shrii Lyngdoh Jii... wait i will git the verbatim... i recorded it... roTii raam... baaTii raam... lol... media lacks both ideas and foonds... so no one seem 2 have heard of transcripts... ...u have not chosen 2 respond in the first instance 2 the personal criticism 2 differ the Gujarat poll ask Raajdeep... why... "...oh its quite dispicable... i mean... if u want i can respond in just a few words... [takes a deep breath] This is a gossip of the menial... and menial never heared of the thing called atheism and things like that and so they automatically assume that u r somebody and they pin a label on ur back... somebody pl transcribe all he said... he sounds like a buddha... and imaandaar... |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 246 of 536 ) Tahtagat: "Ban all Sanghii outfits including its political wing BJP... or else this baboonland beyond any governance..." Since you marxist farts have no vision to counter the BJP's vision of India, I can see why you want to ban the BJP...it is just because you marxist shitheads are too stupid to even pretend that you have a vision for India that does not boil down to "communal harmony" and "peace and love" cliches, isn't it?? Be truthful now, you communist cocksucker. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 247 of 536 ) The congress's vision of India is to have a nation of a billion people lick the arsehole of Antonia Maino and her precious clan. They would like to run the country like their own fiefdom. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 248 of 536 ) "Ban all Sanghii outfits including its political wing BJP... or else this baboonland beyond any governance..." desperate ravings of an impotent arsehole! hahahaha! and it shows and how? If at all anything is to be banned, it is the communist parties, congress party, muslim league and all islamic institutions in the country, in that order (within a gap of less than a day each) And don't forget to bomb all the madrassas in the country. NOW. Tathagat, for a change follow 'appa deep O bhava' instead of just flouting it to advertise your non-existent philosophy (and that too such a lofty one that you marxist shitheads are light years away from it!) |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 249 of 536 ) VHP is necessicity of time to protect hinduism from the external and internal forces against hinduism. Its very natural. People on this message board who argue against hinduism , pro-islamic and pro-chrisianity are the cause of rise of VHP. These are the people who are now afraid as they see that they can not spread islamic and christianity imperialism and communism for that matter (which is dead ism anywayz) |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 250 of 536 ) foreigner, christian and muslim public figure in India ,who are out there to wipe out hinduism from India should be banned first and should be advised either to leave India or give up their activities. same applies for convert they should be given option of : 1) get back to their original culture and regain own identity 2) Who converts to Islam should go to pakistan 3) Who converts toChristianity can go to western countries. 4) Communist can go to China Conversion should be banned completely in India as its violates human rights. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 251 of 536 ) http://news.sify.com/cgi-bin/sifynews/news/content /news_fullstory_v2.jsp?article_oid=12138523&catego ry_oid=-20605&page_no=1 "Godhra events fixed, alleges Cong" HAHAHAHA HOHOHOHO HOWLLLLLL! the neanderthals of congress got zapped by the game of the sanghis and are too dumbfounded to find words to retaliate !!! And these goons having a mindset of the paleolothic age and moreover led by an italian naenderthal whore don't know how to respond to this coup pulled off by BJP-VHP combine and can't even find words to hide their tomfoolery !! |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 252 of 536 ) hee hee. If you doubted the low IQ of Antonia Maino and her arse-licking cabal that runs the congress, this proves it without a doubt. These motherfuckers in the congress party have been playing the dirtiest, vilest brand of communal politics anywhere on the planet, and now that hindus have figured out that vote-bank politics can apply to the hindus as much as it can apply to these muslims. These stupid congress shitheads are imitating a chicken with its head cut off. HO HO HO HO HO HO. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 253 of 536 ) BK, Banning conversion is stupid, especially if this conversion is done without any external interference. A man must be free to choose whatever crap he wants to believe in, be it hinduism, christianity, or devil worship. Learn to separate issues so that you dont appear to be another hindu taliban. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 254 of 536 ) BK, Every human is born free. And if you really look the name of any religion is a human invention. Religion exists since creation, but not a name. Hindu religion is a proof of this. No follower gave it a name, but it existed and grew vibrantly. And violence in the name of religion has started only since religions started being named and were pitched against each other and exclusivity crept in. Sanatana dharma never had clashes with Taoism, Jainism etc., which never claim exclusive rights over God and the one and only truth like christianity and islam. So, banning a person's freedom to follow a particular path is not right. People should be free to follow anything and everything, as it suits them. But yes, forcible and fraudulent conversion SHOULD be banned since it involves lies, fraud and violence. And fradulent or/and forcible conversion is not a religious enterprise at all but a commercial activity that degrades the concept of God and spirituality by marketing them. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 255 of 536 ) Jbindra you dickless pimp, See how original Sikhism is, even as you attack Hindus, Bhadve, you go into Ramayan.Asshole!!!! |
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indtruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 256 of 536 ) WHY SHOULD WE BAN VHP? IS IT YOUR BIRTHDAY????????? |
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indtruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 257 of 536 ) VHP is doing things that we can't do as young people are busy looking for career/job. After job, looking after their family hardly gives a middle class family to fight for anything. 3M (Missionaries, Mullah, Marxist (godless assholes) are taking people away from God and buying their souls with money and other lures. RSS/VHP are just maintaining status quo till Hindu develop awareness about their heritage and identify their real enemies. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 258 of 536 ) Baboonland hahahhahahheheheheheh! Ban the VHP????, What shit, The people who got royally screwed in Germany were the Nazi foot soldiers, The people who will get screwed in Iraq will be Saddams people, Italy- the facist boys, Cambodia, the Pol-pot boys.. In the end the VHP leaders will escape but its automatons like indtruth etc will be swallowed in they own grave.. Ban VHP???.... And prevent their extermination.. Dont you dare!!! |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 259 of 536 ) The Contempt BK feels for converts is equal to the contempt a midwestern US racist feels for Indians. If your country(religion) has problems, only the gutless and lowerclass emigrate(convert) for better opportunities. Once you emigrate(convert), they still cling on to some Indian customs like dirtyness (casteism)Not all but some, and thus it means that US is Castist. India is a bit like the communist countries of yore (said the wag). Communism in its form had failed so they had to use force to keep the people in (anti-conversion). They had to spy and terrorise their people all the time using agencies like the KGB, BKD etc (VHP, BD). The difference between Europe and Indian is Indians are far more subservient and docile.. you see things would be better in the next birth ... Hahahah |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 260 of 536 ) "They had to spy and terrorise their people all the time using agencies like the KGB, BKD etc (VHP, BD)." VHP and KGB !!!!!!! You gone bonkers man! Go to the nearest psychiatrist NOW. You gonna end up in a mental asylum very soon, sooner than anybody thinks. in any case, the bajrang dal guys are gonna feel indebted to you for comparing them with a totally communist and quite efficient KGB! (i still can't belive it!) |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 261 of 536 ) God forbid, the psychiatrist may be a Brahmin!!!! |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 262 of 536 ) The guy has lost his senses totally! And refuses to believe it. This is what happens if you live in a world of make believe and lies and suddenly wake up to find that the world refuses to listen to you. The bugger is getting totally insane with every passing comment of his. He has nothing new. Only sanghi, brahmin, dalit, fascist, VHP embowels pregnant muslim woman.....bah! Guy can't speak anything else. Everything begins and ends with the above. And all wild rhetoric - no facts at all. Maybe, this is what is called a 'swan song'. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 263 of 536 ) straitstimes.asia1.com.sg...31,00.html VHP HAS INFILTRATED INTO CAMBODIA AND IS POISONING THE OOOOH SOOO PEACEFUL BUDDHISTS THERE! PHNOM PENH - Cambodian teachers are demanding the word 'God' be removed from school textbooks amid an increasing encroachment of outside religions on a mainly Buddhist society. The rankling references appear in 12th-grade social science textbooks. According to the Cambodian Independent Teachers' Association (CITA), mentioning God is a direct contradiction of the Constitution. CITA chief Rong Chhun said Article 43 of the Constitution states that Buddhism is the state religion and referring to God in any textbook risks confusing Buddhism with Christianity in class. The offending words appear in second chapter of The 12th Grade Social Science Book which lectures students on moral behaviour and urges them to 'put the interests of God above all others'. Mr Rong Chhun said any reference to God was a direct reference to Christianity and not Buddhism and 'is a medicine that is poisoning students and will lead to social unrest'. Some 85 per cent of Cambodians are Buddhist, about 3 to 4 per cent are Christian and the rest are Muslim. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 264 of 536 ) "VHP HAS INFILTRATED INTO CAMBODIA AND IS POISONING THE OOOOH SOOO PEACEFUL BUDDHISTS THERE" No way, they threw you out many centuries back!!!! Now you pay money to see dilapidated temples. hehehe, Try getting back there and see the reaction O Sanghi, hehehehe |
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indtruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 265 of 536 ) gandalf: They didn't threw us out. Neither we or cambodian broke those temple. It is Muslims, the mid-eastern Nazis, and their convert slaves like you broke the temple. But remember, what is broken can be rebuilt.But like German christian Nazis, Muslim Islamic Nazi would be screwed/Nuked so bad by same USA that you wont even get water to wipe your ass. hehehe |
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indtruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 266 of 536 ) GANDALF: Brahmins only will save your soul. This varieties would dalit Brahmin. A breed VHP is creating to give you Pshychiatric treatment. Like In Godhra, Dalit Brahmins screwed Arab slaves. Soon things would take a shape revolution if people like you don't change for good. Remember, Dalit Brahmin Pshychiatric help would be free for your class of people. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 267 of 536 ) # 259 Ganadalf's all arguments are anti-hindu , anti-Indian, irrespective of point in discussion. When you give analogy you can't give compare apples to oranges. Converts and immigrants are the same? Immigrants go out to serach for new opportunities. Contries which allow them to stay there do mostly for their economic purposes. Cont. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 268 of 536 ) Most of the converts in India are converted because of economic or soclial situation and nothing to do with spiritualism. Once converted they become not only anti-hindu but anti-society (some cases anti-India). Immigrants work hard and try to merge in the main stream of the society which is must for survival. Big difference is immigrants not only merge with the system they help economy as well. Converts in India not only try to get away from main stream they create sociial tension , riots and damge economy. So where is the comparison? |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 269 of 536 ) #259, When you use derogatory words for Indians do you include yourself or you are not Indian? I feel sorry for this guy because after few conversion guilt bites so much person becomes rbellion to prove he is right. Loss of self respect , original identity, self esteem is quite hurting. MY all simpthy with such people. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 270 of 536 ) says gandalf: "No way, they threw you out many centuries back!!!! Now you pay money to see dilapidated temples" No you bastard, they did not. Does the whore Romila say so? Then you better believe her. But don't say this to anybody, they will spit on your face. Fucker, the poing I am making out is that the christians did not burn a tripatika or burn buddha's idol, like they do in India with Hindu idols. All they did was include reference to God (not even Jesus) and the buddhists are declaring war! And you were the fucker who was saying buddhism is all about tolerance blah blah. Now, how should the hindus fuck you missionary bastards for indulging in all types of religious orgies? |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 271 of 536 ) BK, oh you sympathy is touching just like my sympathy for your dark age concepts. Indutruth, Oh US is your saviour now.. Dickhead..hehehe. Dream on. One association of Teachers mentions a word against GOD and you balme it on Buddhists .. HOHOHOHO. Typical Sanghi Slime. For all you know it is sensible Marxist ideology seeping through.. Do a web search!. Please dont bolster your facist ideology by comparing with bits of news. |
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every 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 272 of 536 ) VHP is doing great. We are greatful to them for rescuing us from pseudo-secular traps. Few years back Muslims were allowed to slaughter Hindus in India. It is only because of the heroic effort of VHP and like minded organizations , Hindus are a little united today. Hindus will not face massacre peacefully anymore. After 1000 years of slumber , Hindus finally woke up , courtesy VHP. Only VHP and the like minded organizations protested against Godhra massacre. Pseudo-secular parties like congress and liberal media whole heartedly supported the massacre. Only for VHP we are now aware of the happenings in Kashmir and how the Hindus and Sikhs are being killed there. We hope VHP will keep up the gpod work. |
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every 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 273 of 536 ) Prevention is better than the cure. Offence is the best defence. Should we Hindus lay in waiting for Muslim terrorists to come and shoot us ? How well equiped are Hindus today ? The age old knives and swords don't serve any purpose today. While Muslims are having AK-47 , Hindus have pocket knives !!! Kashmiri Hindus could not protect themselves simply because they didn't have gun , the Muslim terrorists came with bombs and guns !!! Of course we cannot deny the fact that the Muslim terrorists got full support from Congress , the butcher of Kashmir Mufti Muhammad Sayeed worked like the CEO of jehad corporation. In developed countries like USA , RUSSIA , GERMANY , ENGLAND , almost everybody has a gun and they are redy to shoot whenever situation demands. Most of the Hindus don't even know how to shoot ! How shameful ! VHP should educate people about the imortance of self-defence . For self defence we need guns. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 274 of 536 ) "BK, oh you sympathy is touching just like my sympathy for your dark age concepts." Concept of eternal truth is what you call is dark age concept, I better live in dark age. Ignorance can be blessing for some people! |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 275 of 536 ) Oh, fine with me!! dear BK. I am happy, you are happy :-) |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 276 of 536 ) See, minorities in terms of religions, ideologies etc in India will not survive. We have perfected the most subtle way of squeezing out non-hindus, where are the Parsis, Where are the Jews etc... Why has this phenomenon been acutelu noticed over the last 50 years?. One of course is that minorities have a better chance of emigration, the second is the Hindu front organisations like VHP, RSS etc are bullies, mutch like the Whites in the last century (but a lot more subtle) Todays, hindu minorities can happily buildt temples, spread propoganda in the US, Why because they have a guaranteed freedom. The Sangh does not believe in it, and the Hindu Middleclass is still caught up in the novelty of the situation. IT is so tempting to be partial to religions you are familier with. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 277 of 536 ) Frankly, throughout, my activist life, I have protested against the US for its anti-India policies. But now I look at the US society with new respect. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 278 of 536 ) Gandalf: "We have perfected the most subtle way of squeezing out non-hindus, where are the Parsis, Where are the Jews etc... " Still around, shithead. In fact, the parsis exist all around the world but NOT IN a single muslim country. What do you think that suggests?? Do you know of the jews of kerala who have been living there for centuries?? If not, go find out about them before you spit and run like the communist whore Romila Thapar. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 279 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Frankly, throughout, my activist life, I have protested against the US for its anti-India policies. Now I look at the US society with new eyes" This conclusively proves that you have a single-digit IQ because you cannot differentiate between the citizens of a country from the country's foreign policy (which is NOT under the control of citizens). In fact, US state dept. and foreign policy people have a saying "foreign policy is not for plebes", where "plebes" refers to the common man on the street and anyone else who is not in the inner loop of information in the govt. The US HAS been anti-India until recently (the nixon transcripts are living proof of that), and even now it does not stop following policies just because it will hurt India, like the continued financing of billions of dollars of the pakistani army regime via World bank and IMF. The US society has always been pluralistic but EXTREMELY CHRISTIAN until recently. Finally, US was on the opposite side of India because of India's alignment with the soviets during the cold war, despite all the worthless "non alignment" bullshit the congresswadis indulged in at that time (and that cretin Natwar singh indulged in last week) |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 280 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Why has this phenomenon been acutelu noticed over the last 50 years?" Because we were ruled by the british before then, you stupid imbecile. You are about the most mindnumbingly stupid, vicious, bigoted individual I have come across in my entire life, and that says something. |
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BK 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 281 of 536 ) "where are the Parsis, Where are the Jews etc... Why has this phenomenon been acutelu noticed over the last 50 years?" Parsis decided to keep their culture within and that is why Parsis population is on declined. Tata and Goderj are good example of, as how being minority you can still prosper without having conflict with majority. The message Parsis gave to the king of Surat that the will mix with Indian people like sugar in milk and thats what they did. I am not aware of any complains fro Parsis or Jews in India against hindus because both culture believe in co-existance and respect for each other. More importantly they do not believe in spreading their culture and imperialism Regards to Jews , they were free to stay in India or at their choice when israel caaled them some went there. I still do not see point that hindu-majority make their life bad are forced them to convert or give up their religion. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 282 of 536 ) A note to "Lehar", the piece of monkey shit who started this forum. Instead of going after NRIs who fund religious activities in India, you shitheads should wonder about the hundreds of crores of ruppees pumped into India by wahabbi fundamentalist groups in saudi arabia. Motherfuckers like you are not only self-loathing and suicidal, it looks like you want to make sure that the wahabbi terrorists get a free run of the country. The only people in the country who seem to be protesting against these wahabbi jihadi shits is the VHP. I wish there was a saner, focussed, and PR-savvy group that took up this issue, but unfortunately there isn't one right now. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 283 of 536 ) Karapallji, The RSS, who receives some small funding and some volunteer help from the US and Britain, is actually the most secular of the wellknown organizations in India. Teaching true degreenwashed history has nothing to do with religion. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 284 of 536 ) RSS is secular..hehehehe. OK To the people(specifically the US residents) who believe that the way forward for India is secularism: US is full of Automatons who are pawns in the hands of the RSS, peddling a hoary past and a facist ideology. Its always tempting for 1st generation immigrants. I urge the few of you who are secular and working in US companies to 1. Ask your companies whether they are donating mony to Indian charities. 2. Analyse the list and see if they are to the Sangh sponsored organisations 3. If so write to them about the atrocities being commited. Write to them about the modus operandi of a group that is far more subtle than one can imagine. Do not get caught in the trap of believing that opposing the Sangh is anti-national. It is not!. Lastly, if there are contributions to religious organisations from your religions (if you are a minority) then ask them the stop that too. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 285 of 536 ) NRI's, please understand that every one is a minority in India. Bramins are minority, rich are minority, Punjabis are minority etc. Today, in Bangalore Tamil channels are stillnot shown. This minority virus spread by the RSS with your funding is spreading in unexpected directions. It is only going to result in ruin for this country. And remember, the Sanghi thought is extremly crafty, duplicitous and subtle. Do not expect the directness you see in US. You guys are prospering because the society there gives you a free platform. The least you can do is ensure it is duplicate in your home country |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 286 of 536 ) "And remember, the Sanghi thought is extremly crafty, duplicitous and subtle" Oh! is it? How clever you are! What is the secret of your superior level of intelligence, duffer? You dip your half dick into harkishen surjeet's arse so that it will act as a stimulus to your brain stored therein? Geez! how clever you are. And that too for a pig, it is too much. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 287 of 536 ) Secular(Indian variety) History.: Shivaji was a misgiuded patriot who killed innocent Muslims and toppled the established rule( read Mogul tyranny) The truth: Shivaji was a Yug Purush who overthrew the tyranny. The truth is Sanghi duplicity and crafty propaganda!!!!! Got it folks. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 288 of 536 ) Friends, Please inform anybody who contributes to OUTLOOK's GUJARAT CHILDREN FUND that This money is being used for converting tribal children of Gujarat to Christianity. Compliments the christian bitch Arundhati Roy. She is following in the footsteps of another bigger and more ugly bitch, Teresa who funneled millions of dollars OUT of India. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 289 of 536 ) Gandalf: "RSS is secular..hehehehe" It is certainly a lot more secular than you are, asshole. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 290 of 536 ) Gandalf: "NRI's, please understand that every one is a minority in India. Bramins are minority, rich are minority, Punjabis are minority etc. Today, in Bangalore Tamil channels are stillnot shown. " All the "minority" groups mentioned above are completely hated by you, as will be evident to anyone who bothers to read your past posts. "This minority virus spread by the RSS with your funding is spreading in unexpected directions. " Nice try, you marxist shit. The "minority virus" has been around since the time the bitch Indira Gandhi started practising her "vote bank" politics, and the marxist cabal followed up on that idea. You motherfuckers thought that you could piss on the interests of the majority by beefing up your "minority vote bank"s. The main reason you did so was because you were confident that the majority would always remain disunited. Now that the majority is getting to be more cohesive across caste boundaries under the stewardship of grassroots groups like the RSS, you are getting extremely nervous about the "larger hindu vote bank" that you have pissing on all these years. It is time you read up on the word "karma", and realize that all of this is "blowback" for the vicious communal politics you pseudo-secular motherfuckers have been indulging in for so long. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 291 of 536 ) This maderchot Gandalf is so nasty while being so phenomenally stupid that sometimes one wonders whether his statements stem from idiocy or malice, usually it is a combination of both. The question about Parsis and Jews. Most Parsis landed on the coast of Gujrat. THEY FLED INTO INDIA TO SAVE THEIR FAITH FROM THE TERROR OF BELIEVERS.They adopted local customs and language, they speak Gujrati and many have turned to Vedantic beliefs.Many have migrated.They have made excellent businessmen like the great Tatas, Godrej and Wadias(Bombay Dyeing) They produced excellent cricketrers like Mumbai's all time great Padmshri Polly Umrigar.Gandu, remember the contribution of this tiny community was greater than all the Muslims to the freedom cause. Ever heard of Dadabhai Navroji?Jamshetji Nusserwanji Tata built the first steel mill in India in Bihar resisting great opposition from the British.He got technology from the US. Swadeshi was J N Tata's mantra.The philanthropy of the Tata family is legendary and continues without regard to caste and creed. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 292 of 536 ) Stop pfaffing, Sin buddhu. No one is comparing upir record with the Middle East. IN fact I think in the attempt to be politically correct, the west is guilt of horrible oversights regarding the oppression in the Islamic world. The point is Sanghis can shove the 'morally superior " attitudet they have.. The entire edifice of your hatred is based on the 'I am better thatn you" philosophy in terms of human rights record etc. That is bunkum |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 293 of 536 ) The Jews never numbered much above 125,000 or so just like the Parsis. They settled on the coast of Maharashtra.THEY ALSO FLED IN TO SAVE THEIR RELIGION FROM THE TERROR OF THE FAITHFULS. Jews mixed completely with Maharashtra and spoke Marathi like the Parsis and Iranis adopted Gujrati. Most migrated to Israel in search of better and more prosperous lives. Many older Jews came back as life style in Mumbai was far less demanding. Gandu, remember that TEL Aviv is the ONLY Middle East capital where video tapes of the Ramayan and Mahabharat can be bought openly. The Hindu calendar Kalnirnaya(Marathi Version) is still exported to Israel. The current Israeli Ambassador to the UN is supposedly half Indian.He certainly has Indian features.You can see hom on the TV many times. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 294 of 536 ) Karapall: Fummy the level of ass licking you can sink too!. But your solution is as evil and dangerous as the cause. You seem to be more intelligent than that. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 295 of 536 ) Gandu, you are to foolish to notice such things but every Israeli Prime Minister, who visited India, has spoken glowingly of the rarest of rare experience Jews got in India i.e NO RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION! The founder of Israel, David ben Gurion, was greatly influenced by Eastern philosophy, and was very close to Hinduism and Buddhism in thinking just as Golda Meir was.But this is too much for your microscopic brain. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 296 of 536 ) And while we are talking about the Jews, the great scientist Dr. Oppenheimer, the father of the first nuclear bomb had taught himself Sanskrit and read Hindu scriptures in original Sanskrt.He was perpetually quoting from the Upnishads. He was reciting from the Gita as the first explosion was demonstrated in the US. Gandu, do you know what Dr. Oppenheimer had named his first bomb? |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 297 of 536 ) Gandu fatherrchot, That Tamil channels are not show n in Bangalore is Hindu conspiracy? |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 298 of 536 ) Sinbad.. tamil channels not shown in Blr is actually driven by the kanada film industry.. The point is the Sangh ideology of might is right is going to spawn a whole host of Balls Fuckerays. This would be detrimental to the country. You braminical hindus are so selfish. If you had not been so hell bent on destroying Ashoka's Buddhism and allowed coexistense, then this country would not have been weakend. A repeat is happening today. Instead of allowing co-existence, you braminical belted babboons dont mind relegation this country to the boondocks so long as your position of pre-eminence remains intact. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 299 of 536 ) "Tamil channels and movies are still not open for viewing in Bangalore" cries gandalf. And this fucker was pushing for independence of south india from north india. Karnataka will not give water to TN, TN wants to stop power supply to Karnataka. Chooths can't even agree on sharing water. Won't listen to even the CRA set up for that. Won't listen to the SC's orders. Karnataka will not air tamil programmes and TN like wise. Karnataka and TN morons fight when a bandit kidnaps a film actor. Fuckers from both states can't even capture a bandit for the last 20 years. And what will these states do after independence? One will become a colony of Pakistan and another will become a colony of China? |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 300 of 536 ) Oh, thanks so much for this. If you dont mind, I am cuting and pasting your posts as an example of a typical North Indian views on the south. Actually, you are right, how would be have manage without the cowbelt clowns! Listen you Sanskrit spouting Kanpur Kangaroo, I say the south is more advanced and sensible than the north. I also say the answer to our problems is Fedralism/autonomous states. You slow witted temple leach, get it into you mantra modified head that that does not meen the South as a political entity. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 301 of 536 ) Gandu Half Cleaned Ass, One would think the BJP/RSS were weak in the south, then why this idiocy of Tamil vs Karnataka. How is BJP to be blamed for this rank stupidity about water sharing and cinemas. Both show Hindi movies I guess. Is this lady from Tamilnadu a brahmin,has she suddenly become a Nationalist? She is not from Tamilnadu is she. Who is Rajnikant, is he a god? He is a North Indian, right. Does Karananidhi swing from Nationalism to Seperatism as the times suit. Why does this rabid Hindu hater were that saffron thingy. Why does he worship Ram and Sita in a clandestine fashion, is he a coward or a traitor to DMK causes or both. |
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every 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 302 of 536 ) sinbad brother , cool man. Why are you listening to that dirty dog ? Just ignore . Let him bark peacefully. If you kick him , animal rights activists may protest though we cannot deny number of dogs are increasing menacingly. It would have been very nice if we can get rid of these dogs and cokroaches. That dog may have an appetite of pigs. Let him continue his shit-eating work. My request to all patriotic brothers ; Just ignore these dirty animals. When they dare to bite , we kill them. That's all. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 303 of 536 ) Everyji,my brother I agree with everything you say, but I beg of you,please, please do not insult dogs by comparing them with Gandu halfass. They have LOYALTY and COURAGE. "You bring a starving dog home and feed him , he will not bite you, that is the difference between a dog and a human being." Says MARK TWAIN, Great American Writer. Gandalf can never rise to become a dog, and would you not say dogs are smarter than him. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 304 of 536 ) “I say the south is more advanced and sensible than the north” Listen to this fucking LTTE suicide bomber thump his chest proclaiming that he is the chosen one. Fucker, What ‘more advanced’? The father of modern Indian space research was a gujarati – Vikram Sarabhai (the Guru of Abdul Kalam and R.Chidambaram) The first nuclear reactor of India is BARC in Trombay (MAH), not in Kalpakkam (TN). There is only one IIT and one IIM in South. Rest are all in North. The richest man in India Aziz Premji is a northie (yes, not a banglorean – go check), but then console yourself that Narayan Murthy is a southie. And What 'more sensible'? Fucker, two ‘intelligent’ southie states cannot decide on even sharing a natural resource. And neither is one sensible to listen to the SC. And Karnataka is not only not sensible, but also totally immature - it will not allow Tamil inside its borders. If you wag your tongue in a diff. manner, you will be killed. No Tamil movies, no tamil lottery tickets, no tamil channels, no tamil songs. And all this is a measure of your ‘sensible’ nature? Corruption was institutionalized by your favourite LTTE lover Karunanidhi. He was the first politician in India against whom a separate commission, Sarkaria Commission, was instituted to investigate all his evil deeds. Laloo only followed him later. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 305 of 536 ) And what more 'sensible'? Fucker, two ‘intelligent’ southie states cannot decide on even sharing a natural resource. They kill each other but never give water to each other. And neither is one sensible to listen to the SC. And Karnataka is not only not sensible, but also totally immature - it will not allow Tamil inside its borders. If you wag your tongue in a diff. manner, you will be killed. No Tamil movies, no tamil lottery tickets, no tamil channels, no tamil songs. If a bandit kidnaps a film star, people of two states kill each other and destroy shops and Karnataka will not allow Tamil inside its borders. And 3 southern states cannot capture one bandit even after 20 years of hunt. Corruption was institutionalized by your favourite LTTE lover Karunanidhi. He was the first politician in India against whom a separate commission, Sarkaria Commission, was instituted to investigate all his evil deeds. Laloo only followed him later. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 306 of 536 ) And the biggest joke of all in TN is that poojas and prayers in Sanskrit language is discouraged. Only in tamil. Localisation of God!!! "Let the Gods who do not like Tamil not be inside TN" brayed Karunanidi about a month ago. But muslims can continue praying (or braying) in Arabic and christians can continue with their latin, greek and roman verses! So the Gods in TN like Tamil, Arabic, Latin/Roman, in that order. But they don't like Sanskrit. Never! And let the Gods get out of TN if they want Sanskrit! Fucker says that southies are 'more' sensible! |
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pras_k 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 307 of 536 ) Dear Vikram, Pls do not get drawn into a northie-southie debate as that's exactly what gandoo-gandalf wants...We all are Indians and we all are Hindus..that'a what matters. regds, |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 308 of 536 ) I got nothing against southies. North+South makes India. India is incomplete without either one. But I sure have everything foul to say about the southies who exhibit separatist tendencies and profess balkanisation of India. All started by the dravidian fuckers T.M. Nair and E.V.Ramsamy Naicker (the last surviving one being Karunanidhi) who based their depraved ideology on a missionary invented aryan invasion theory that is now debunked the world over. Even by the marxists themselves. But these depraved fuckers still contine applying outdated marxist ideologies like aryan=north indian=brahmin=evil and dravidian=south india=non brahmin=good and all associated bullshit. Fuckers have to think as indians first instead of indulging in schizophrenic day dreams about comparative superiority. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 309 of 536 ) Look at it. England tried to balkanise India into several smaller states, but it did not frutify due to all the rulers and subjects aligning with India thanx to efforts of Sardar Patel. But J&K was left as an open ground for further separatist movements. But Nehru again screwed up the situation by dividing the country into states based on linguistic criteria that has given rise to linguistic and cultural chauvinism, which will lead to separatism, if not controlled. Pakistan and China have picked up from where the British left. Porkistan aided punjabi separatism by financing and arming khalistani terrorism that led to loss of thousands of lives. J&K is an ever'green' terrorist movement. NE Indian terrorism is funded and aided by the ISI-christian missionary and chinese combine. And we do not need the already rotten situation to get out of hand by southies indulging in LTTE aided separatism. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 310 of 536 ) Gandalf: "The point is the Sangh ideology of might is right is going to spawn a whole host of Balls Fuckerays. " May I remind you that the Imam Bukharis and Syed Shahbuddins were spreading their communal poison long before Bal Thackeray and shiv sena learnt some lessons from the jihadi shitheads? |
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jdar 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 311 of 536 ) Friends, the secularist scum and the jihadis are trying to drive a wedge between various Hindu castes and also between North indian and south indian hindus. This is what we must be careful to avoid. They are also trying to divide hindus and sikhs/hindus and everyone else. Let us stay united in this hour of darkness!!! Let us not counciously/uncounciously abuse our fellow countrymen. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 312 of 536 ) St Gand Pirbhakaran, Since when has self defence become a crime?The Hindus have every right to defend themselves and every obligation to defend their country from Jehadis and seperatists like you. |
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indtruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 313 of 536 ) ANOTHER BAPTIST PASTOR CAUGHT FOR CHILD PORNO, TODAY'S NEWS http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan /1672981 |
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indtruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 314 of 536 ) Southern India is strategically very important area for Indian economy and Defense security. Southern part is surrounded with Sea and It is far from anti India forces. It was because of these strategic reasons, it was imperative for Indian govt to establish important Nuclear, Space, IT hubs and hardware factories. Bangalore is the one of the paradise in India. Bangalore Climate and bangaloreans are so open that anybody would fall in love with place thats why most of the people love to work here. Hyderabad under ChandraBabu Naidu is also becoming a model state. But Laloo and Raveri devi are created Ghetto state where people have started commiting suicide. |
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jdar 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 315 of 536 ) Outlook has always been giving undue publicity to pseudo-secularist reports and stories. For example see some of the latest stories on their website. They also have an option for rating of the stories/articles by visitors to the site. I observed that 'secularists' and anti-nationals have been giving high ratings to their own articles. I urge all patriots to actively rate their stories. Give the lowest rating (1) to their pseudo-secular and anti-national articles and the highet ones (10) to patriotic articles, those that expose the machinations of secularist scum and the commies. Many a times, outlook also plays the partisan role and sets the rating of some of their 'secular' articles to 10, to begin with. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 316 of 536 ) Vikram post 304.. childish tripe but .. regarding IIT's and IIMs, there are two IIM's in the south, but you are right and thats my point.. The Nothie dominated Govt ensure the sout has only the crumbs of central investments funded by our taxes. Azim Premji (a muslims .. yucch) by the way, is the richest man yes, but the enterpreneur to creat the most numberof rich is Narayanamurthy. I am more proud of that. "it will not allow Tamil inside its borders. If you wag your tongue in a diff. manner" Err, you Kanpur kangaroo, I know GK is weak for you as the mantras you spout are a little dated but 60% of bangalores population is Tamil |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 317 of 536 ) Fucking arsehole, you had to take more than 4 days to come up with answers to my statements? And that too such lousy stuff that is so typical of you? In fact you have not denied anything that I wrote except the tamil lingo allowed in Bangalore. Suffice to say, you agree with everything I wrote and are trying to hide your fucked up face between justifications about narayanmurthy. Fuck off loser! And fuck your pride too. |
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jbindra 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 318 of 536 ) We shall overcome. The Speakers of Scum I read your posts everyday and the only pattern that can be seen is that you believe (and so is evident from your words) that India will become great by villifying and bitching against all the minorities in India and all elements of society who are not VHP-Hindus. The other Hindus, who many would deem sane minded you call psuedo-secularist, a word that was hurled by VHP on the very guy who came up with it - Mr. Advani. Say India was all clear of the Muslims, Christians and Sikhs. What is your vision for you great Hindu-Rashthra then ?? Killing and skinning of the lower castes, annexation of Pakistan and Bangladesh ? Come to think of it, you'll never get that far but if you did, there would be another Afghanistan in South Asia which people will call Bharat ! Brothers, please spend some time doing something productive. Dont waste your time here. Non-Indians will take away a very bad opinion of the Indian nation if they were to ever read your posts. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 319 of 536 ) "Southern India is strategically very important area for Indian economy and Defense security. Southern part is surrounded with Sea ..." This is my point. You sister fucking dirty, uncultured dogs care about South India onl as a land mass and have not a word for the people. You have fucked your land, made enemies of all your neighbours and are poor beyond compare.. Bastard.. thanks for expaining the North Indian mentality. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 320 of 536 ) "Bangalore is the one of the paradise in India. Bangalore Climate and bangaloreans are so open that anybody would fall in love " You crass kanpur Kutta, This is the problem with the south, just because we dont molest every woman around, speak politely, treat people with fairness, you vermin pour into our cities and pollute the entire ecosystem. Who the fuck are you to give Bangalore a certificate you pathetic child killer |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 321 of 536 ) "The problem with the south, just because we dont molest every woman around, speak politely, treat people with fairness,....." HAHAHAHAAAAAAA HHHHH OOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWLLLLLLL! WOW! this is your magnum opus, you fucking piece of LTTE shit! so you don't molest women? HAHAHAHA.. And you speak 'politely'? HOHOHOHOHOOOO And you treat people with 'fairness'? HHHHHHOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWLLLLLLL. This tops! Man! you gotta be that guy who went to Laloo's bedroom and massaged his legs!! |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 322 of 536 ) indtruth, why did you have to mouth platitudes about bangalore uncesessarily? gandalf miyan has called you 'kanpur kutta' for eulogising the 'paradise' bangalore (which btw is the latest centre of all underground and terrorist activities) He pissed thinking that you are gonna move base to bangalore and crack down on his hadda there! |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 323 of 536 ) Bindra, you idiot,just stop for one moment. To us you as Sikhs are NOT A MINORITY.You are us, PERIOD.None us of have made any antiSikh statements, except when you provoked us by your idiocy and treacherous talk. The ugly anti Sikh jokes and statements have come from the so called secular bastards here. Even at this stage, wake up you asshole. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 324 of 536 ) Gandu St Pirbhakaran Khan,You bastard. Vikram has never made any statement eulogizing the caste system, You are lying as usual. Tell me you Gandu, why are Gujrat and Maharashtra the two most prosperous States and also among the most Saffron in color.Punjab lost much due to Khalistani idiocy and Indira's dirty politics. By the way, notice the chief negotiator for the LTTE is one Anton Balasingham or some such last name. But note the first name, you fatherchot. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 325 of 536 ) sinbad, I have kept harping that the vatican is a major backer of LTTE. It's a christian vs. buddhist problem at the root of it. Most financiers of the LTTE are tamil christians settled abroad + the drug moneys. The suicide bomber who bombed the moron Rajiv Gandhi out of existence was a christian. But the info' is supressed by the mainstream secular media for the sake of 'political correctiveness'. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 326 of 536 ) sinbad, "Vikram has never made any statement eulogizing the caste system, You are lying as usual." This is called the ad-hominem attack! If you can't find anything that can be attacked in what I say - attack me and my personal character! Matter diverted! First of all this gandalf bastard goes on braying that brahmins ruled supreme for 3000 years (even in sports forum!) NEVER ME. And then when I say "if that is the case, then surely they are more intelligent than you marxist fucks who could not even manage to rule for 50 years", he comes charging that I am supporting the brahmin hegemony (which never was - neither the hegemony nor my support!) Goebbels said - "repeat a small lie many times over and people will take it as the truth." Gandalf is the dick sucker of Goebbels' clan. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 327 of 536 ) I can vouch that none of us Sanghis, read decent secular people with a sense of pride,have advertized caste of our own or attacked anyone else's caste. I OR ANY ONE OF US HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT ANYONE'S RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT CREATE OR LEAD TO VIOLENCE,TERROR, FRAUDELENT PROSELYTIZATIONS OR HARM NATIONAL OR GLOBAL PEACE. VOTE BANK POLITICS IS INSIDIOUS, DIVISIVE AND WILL ULTIMATELY LEAD TO DISHARMONY AND DISUNITY. Veer Savarkar, whom the British considered a most dangerous person and whom this worthless piece of pigshit Gadu Khan hates, was a powerful social reformer and opposed the caste system just as the RSS does. Gandu what is BT's caste, any clue you hijida. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 328 of 536 ) jbindra: "Say India was all clear of the Muslims, Christians and Sikhs. What is your vision for you great Hindu-Rashthra then ?? Killing and skinning of the lower castes, annexation of Pakistan and Bangladesh ? " Generalizing again, are you? you stupid cretin. You are insinuating the following: (1) Hindus are trying to commit genocide of minorities. (2) All hindus kill and skin lower castes (3) Hindus want to Annex Bangladesh and pakistan. Care to back any of these up? you divisive Khalisthani separatist piece of shit. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 329 of 536 ) "Care to back any of these up? you divisive Khalisthani separatist piece of shit." Of course he will substantiate all these claims by cutting and pasting from http://www.ptv-news.com.pk/urduindex.htm An d sure it is authentic coz it is availabe in urdu !!! |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 330 of 536 ) Dear Sanghi tripe. Worried arent you, you were a lot more cocky when threatening death. Just was pointing out that there are other groups that are not afraid of dying :-) Nice one trying to paint the LTTE as a Vactican funded organisation. Thypical Sanghi way of trying to put down a movement that is completely for Tamils and by Tamils.. Basically you are saying that non-Bramin Tamils(Typical LTTE types) dont have the brains to create such an organisation. You are cowardly pieces of shit who deserved everything you got in Tamil Nadu. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 331 of 536 ) Karapall was saying I was pushing for DMK rule.. You had a point there, the Dravidian movement has been hijacked by multiple leaders. It may or maynot be dead. But the fact is that.. through most tamils run strong Tamil Nationalism. They did understand that the concept of the tamil Nation did not depend on a religion. By the way a lot of LTTE professes to be religion agnostic. And the prime reason for the reviveal of interest and funding for the LTTE is the rise of the Hindutva movement. Your greviances against Terrorism etc are very valid.. but you are destroying the shop to get at a cockroach |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 332 of 536 ) "Basically you are saying that non-Bramin Tamils(Typical LTTE types) dont have the brains to create such an organisation" NOW YOU ARE SAYING THAT FUCKER! AND AS USUAL YOU PUT THE BLAME ON A BYSTANDER LIKE ME! |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 333 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Thypical Sanghi way of trying to put down a movement that is completely for Tamils and by Tamils.. " No, you bastard, LTTE is being treated with contempt because LTTE is a murderous terrorist organization which killed our former prime minister. Enough reason to hate you shits wouldnt you say?? "Basically you are saying that non-Bramin Tamils(Typical LTTE types) dont have the brains to create such an organisation. " Caste has nothing to do with it, though you like it to be so, asshole. Again, brahmins cannot terrorize their own grandmothers if they wanted to, nowadays. The LTTE is one of the most vicious, well-organized, and violent terrorist groups in the world today. That is why you pro-LTTE shits are hated as terrorist sympathizers. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 334 of 536 ) Gandalf: " But the fact is that.. through most tamils run strong Tamil Nationalism. " Ha ha ha. This pro-LTTE shit would like us to believe that all tamils are separatists. The truth is no such thing. The DMK/Vaiko kind of shitheads have GONE AGAINST the indian govt.'s foreign policy and assissted terrorists in sri lanka. Thank god for the strong stance of JAyalalita on this front. You DMK shits let the LTTE spread its poison all over India, the same poision that makes people like you terrorist sympathizers. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 335 of 536 ) And of course, this LTTE shit head would not know that one of the prime sources of arms supply from India to LTTE was the former bombay mafia don Varadaraja Mudaliar (who is no more and on whose life the movie Nayakan was made). Same as the way Daood ibrahim is in cahoots with the ISI now! |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 336 of 536 ) Gandalf: "And the prime reason for the reviveal of interest and funding for the LTTE is the rise of the Hindutva movement." LOL!!! Care to back that up with a link or two? you despicable shit. "Your greviances against Terrorism etc are very valid.. but you are destroying the shop to get at a cockroach" Look at this bastard. He does not want POTA and he is against using any necessary force to eliminate these terrorist vermin. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind on the pro-terrorist sympathies of Gandalf, or Sarumoron, as we all like to call him. This shit is Gollum personified, but he believes he is saruman! Ho ho ho. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 337 of 536 ) "the Dravidian movement has been hijacked by multiple leaders" Except Jayalalita possibly, no one other top leader like the veneral diseased karunanidi and veermani has deviated from the anti hindu (not atheistic, although they claim so!) policy of their founder the flaccid bastard EV ramsamy naiker. But yes, all the followers now wear the black dress for something else. For rushing to the Shabarimala every december! Even the bastard karunanidi prays fervently every full moon night at a temple in the interior TN, sans the limelight of course! Fucker does not pee without consulting his astrologer. And it is not an atheistic movement! it is a anti-hindu movement. They love the Islam and christianity but call themselves atheistic! Does that mean, perchance, that the latter two are not religions? |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 338 of 536 ) "And the prime reason for the reviveal of interest and funding for the LTTE is the rise of the Hindutva movement." Wow! now how does VHP tie up with LTTE !!!! Per RAW, LTTE was trained by the mossad (who also trained the Sri Lankan army btw!) and has links with ULFA and NE terrorist organisations. And as per KPS Gill, the congress and commies are cahoots with the ULFA and NE terrorists. And I also read somewhere that Subramaniam Swamy, the maverick Janata Party guy, has proclaimed that Sonia Gandhi's family has ties with the LTTE !!! Go check it out and then come and puke here, you ignorant lizard. Or next you will say that Sonia Gandhi, ULFA and the Commies are part of the hindutva conspiracy ??? |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 339 of 536 ) "But the fact is that.. through most tamils run strong Tamil Nationalism. " Like Veerappan I suppose, who is now mouthing tamil demands for every kidnapping of his! Almost all the tamils that I have met (across all religions) give 2 hoots to this so called Tamil Nationalism. They are decent people who are more bothered about how to make a comfortable living in a civil manner. Maybe, rats like gandalf are trying to keep burning the dying embers of this so called nationalist movement! Maybe this rat means the family of karunanidi and v.gopalsami who do it for purely political purposes. After all, karunanidi's son Stalin lost his dick (yeah! true) when the police knocked off his balls in jail during the emergency days! The only good deed that Indira Gandhi has done - she saved many women by this act! |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 340 of 536 ) "LTTE is a murderous terrorist organization which killed our former prime minister. Enough reason to hate you shits wouldnt you say??" Agree, but isnt it OK with you considering all Congressmen should be wiped out and Sonia is a Italian whore??? Stick to something "And I also read somewhere that Subramaniam Swamy, the maverick Janata Party guy, has proclaimed that Sonia Gandhi's family has ties with the LTTE !!!" You are a buffon comparable to Swamy but with the intelligence of is little toe!! |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 341 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Agree, but isnt it OK with you considering all Congressmen should be wiped out and Sonia is a Italian whore??? " I have no love lost for the depraved and corrupt Gandhi clan. But that is irrelevant to the fact that Rajiv WAS THE INDIAN PM when he was killed. I see that as an offence against the Indian state by a foreign entity, and the said entity LTTE must be considered inimical to India's interests till the end of time. Period. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 342 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Stick to something" You should listen to your own advise, dear secular, anti-hindu bigot...you also happen to be an Indian patriot who supports the breaking of India into smaller parts. You also happen to be a "secular and tolerant" Indian who loathes north Indians, hindi-speakers, brahmins, upper-caste hindus, Indian nationalists....for starters. |
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sardar 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 343 of 536 ) Not possible till the NDA Government is there. Anyway, the ban is no solution. Its leadrers should behave himself and improve upon their language. There should be accountability of the funds from whatever source they receive. HATRED is no solution of any problem. LOVE begets LOVE. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 344 of 536 ) "You are a buffon comparable to Swamy but with the intelligence of is little toe!!" Oh yeah? Then why does the fuckin italian whore in deep shit due to the smuggling and LTTE related cases foisted on her by this maverick Swamy? Why do her cunt suckers in congress kill others when they talk of these cases? Shouting down court cases is not gonna make people look the other way, chooth. And this maverick has the reputation of bringing down all people from top posts - NTR, Ramkrishn Hegde etc., But your anger is understandable - after all this maverick is going all out to stop funding to LTTE! |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 345 of 536 ) "You also happen to be a "secular and tolerant" Indian who loathes north Indians, hindi-speakers, brahmins, upper-caste hindus, Indian nationalists....for starters." Good point!. But dont you claim to hate only Jehadi Muslims (its a different thing that u consider all Muslims to be Jehadi). You claim to hate only Vactican funded Christions though you do calim that all Indian Christians are anti-national. Using your logic, since there I thought I better learn form my secular guru and generalize like on ones business.. Cant figure out your problem now? |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 346 of 536 ) Gandu, you priest fucked pedophile, Let us assume that Secular Nationalists, such as Karapallji, everyji,Satnamji, Vikramji,indtruthji and myself raised a valid question or two, well documented and backed by history, about the philosophies and conversion roots of Indian minorities especially the Jehadi creed and Vatican's proselytizing drives. But I do not hate them,far from it. I want all these STOLEN SOULS to come back to Parmatma.I cannot speak for others, whom you call Sanghis, but they are all gentle and kind humanitarians unlike hatefilled bastards like you.They believe in persuasion and dialogue, surely even an idiot like you cannot take away our constitutional right of self-defence, can you, you imbecile. |
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galaxy 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 347 of 536 ) Dear freespeech Host, on going through the postings in this thread it is quite clear to me, that your exhortation not to use foul language has been repeatedly flouted by the new avatar of Karapall (who I had filtered out)... Vikram. His foul language is amazingly consistent and would earnestly request you that obsenities that he has been spewing should be purged off this board, if you really want to encourage serious and healthy debate. It is quite likely that being consistent Vikram continues with the language that he would speak in a friends living room with his children present onto this discussion board. In this case his friends living room should be his forum not free speech unless he is prepared to use decent language. Mind screening the posts for those of us who will not be remotely categorised as his friends and would never permit such obscenity in our living rooms with or without children ???? I do not believe you can be derelict in your duties by offering a platform for such unadulterated foul language and profanity, day in day out in the garb of free speech. trust you will act. If you are of the view that foul language should not be blanked out and produced unedited even when your requests are ignored, pl say so and we can look elsewhere for healthy debate. Await your views. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 348 of 536 ) DRAVIDIANS ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF INDIA The Rediff Interview/Dr Spencer Wells http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/27inter.htm Q. Some people say Aryans are the original inhabitants of India. What is your view on this theory? A. The Aryans came from outside India. We actually have genetic evidence for that. Very clear genetic evidence from a marker that arose on the southern steppes of Russia and the Ukraine around 5,000 to 10,000 years ago. And it subsequently spread to the east and south through Central Asia reaching India. It is on the higher frequency in the Indo-European speakers, the people who claim they are descendants of the Aryans, the Hindi speakers, the Bengalis, the other groups. Then it is at a lower frequency in the Dravidians. But there is clear evidence that there was a heavy migration from the steppes down towards India. Q.But some people claim that the Aryans were the original inhabitants of India. What do you have to say about this? A.I don't agree with them. The Aryans came later, after the Dravidians. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 349 of 536 ) Gandalf: "But dont you claim to hate only Jehadi Muslims (its a different thing that u consider all Muslims to be Jehadi)." Yes, that is my claim and I am sticking to it. " You claim to hate only Vactican funded Christions though you do calim that all Indian Christians are anti-national." Now why would I claim that all Indian christians are anti-national, when I am one myself, you brainless cretin. Indian christian shits that take marching orders from white christian motherfuckers and cause divison among Indian peoples are anti-national, mercenary, motherfuckers who are out to make a buck for themselves at the expense of Indian unity. Christians have been in India for a long time, and did their missionary activity purely for the sake of helping people --- this is back in the fifties. Now, missionaries are slaves of their white masters in Atlanta or Rome. These motherfuckers have the same slavish mentality when it comes to interacting with people with white skin. These shits are too stupid to know whose side they should be on; the side of the Indian people.. Instead they work assiduously in denigrating India's image internationally, like this motherfucker Biju Matthai did recently, and still want the very hindus they pissed on, to treat them with respect. You cannot spit on the majority and demand their respect, especially when you are a minority that depends on the goodwill of the majority, as the majority depends on the goodwill of the minority. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 350 of 536 ) Gandalf: "that your exhortation not to use foul language has been repeatedly flouted by the new avatar of Karapall (who I had filtered out).." Ho ho ho. I am not vikram, you delusional dipshit. Just because there is more than one person who seems to hold similar opinions, it does not mean that they are the same. You are a hoot, dumbass. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 351 of 536 ) There is a very trivial problem with this white asshole Spencer Wells' theory. Note his very first statement: "The Aryans came from outside India. We actually have genetic evidence for that." Firstly, genetic material is common ACROSS the WORLD. All that can tell us is that there was some common tribe of monkeys that we all come from. IT DOES NOT TELL US THE EXACT LOCATION WHERE THE ORIGINAL GENE CAME FROM. If you had any brains, you would have noted that this racist shit Spencer Wells is implicitly assuming that the "aryan" genes COULD HAVE ONLY COME INTO INDIA; apparently, the thought of this shithead's ancestors having been of Indian origin is unthinkable. Morons like you should be a little more skeptical of the racist claims of white "scientist" assholes. Most of them are not scientists by any stretch, and most of them put a Dr. before their name, even if they only have a doctorate in Theology. Just be a little more skeptical of the white assholes you come across. DRAVIDIANS ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF INDIA The Rediff Interview/Dr Spencer Wells http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/27inter.htm Q. Some people say Aryans are the original inhabitants of India. What is your view on this theory? A. The Aryans came from outside India. We actually have genetic evidence for that. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 352 of 536 ) As far as I know, the migratory patterns of our ancestors is still largely an open question. The little inferences that have been made are based on linguistics rather than genetics. IF anyone makes claims based on genetics, they are devious shits. Like the "blue-blooded" brahmin turds -- the ones who still have caste hangups --- do on a regular basis. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 353 of 536 ) Heheheh, From a Christian Sanghi sympathyser to a Christian Sanghi racist sympathiser. "If you had any brains, you would have noted that this racist shit Spencer Wells is implicitly assuming that the "aryan" genes COULD HAVE ONLY COME INTO INDIA" Really!!!, then why does he say we all originate from Africa??? There goes your theory again you mulatto. Where is all you science and why is it so important to you that Indians evolved from India??? Because your entire racist and religions fundementalism rises from the fact that you are some original inhabitant and evey one else are intruders.. Well you are wrong there.. dear halfbreed |
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galaxy 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 354 of 536 ) No way in today's day and time can any Christian or any worthy practitioner of religion sympathise with Murder, Vandalism, Genocide, Open flouting of the law, subjugation and rape of women, abuse of children, attack on public servants, attack on conscientious objection, attack the disenfranchised and weak and the unarmed in its midst. Unfortunately religion has provided a haven for crooks, thugs and vandals who have demeaned the worthy aspects of their religion and yet claim to be their spokesmen and representatives. VHP is to Hinduism what the Al qaida, the JAISH , LET is to Islam, It is a usurper and a travesty of all that is true and should be banned. It passes with flying colours with what in any society would be the test for an anti national and anti religion organisation. It is conceived in hatred , came forth amidst strife and is surviving on the politics of violence and blood letting. Little wonder that the Trishul is a symbol of thier mangled manhood ! |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 355 of 536 ) If Karapallji and Vikramji are the same people, then this extraordinary person must be honored for his erudition,patriotism ,prodctivity,diligence and courage.If they are two people, which clearly seems to be the case,atleast half the praise is due to each one of them. Gandu, don't you see the gaping distance in class betweem K and V on the one hand ,and brainfucked maderchots like yourself and Anwarsad!!! |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 356 of 536 ) Post 354: Ideally that should be true.. but you tend to ask yourself why do these groups have supporters. I think it takes a lot of effort for humans to postpone gratifications for an ideal. Its always easier to go with a crowd. Easier to close your eyes than to see, easier to grab the tangable benefits of jingoism than wait for the more long term benefits of a clear concience. You see a lot less people in todays fast paced TV world who would rather sit back and think. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 357 of 536 ) Galaxy, In response to your moving message in #347, you are hereby awarded the title of OFFICIAL DICKSUCKER OF GANDALF Fukin chooth, you are nothing but an illegitimate offspring of Kuldip Nayar, else how could you miss the civil lingo of gandalf and anwarsad. Anyway, survive if you are fit, else PERISH fucker! Bye Byeeeeeeeeee babieeeeeeeee |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 358 of 536 ) "VHP is to Hinduism what the Al qaida, the JAISH , LET is to Islam....." Hey Kiddo, we have been thru' this imbecile stuff several times before. If you got even a wee bit of grey stuff below your pate, go thru' all the messages and them come and cry for milk here. And no repetition of messages babie. Now put the nipple that you carry with you into your mouth for obtaining some relief! Babies need something to keep sucking. Vikram is using bad words mummyyyyy, booooo hooooo, he is scolding me mummieeeee, booo hoooo, tell him not to hit me daddiiiiieeeeee, bboooooooo baaaaawwwww...... |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 359 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Really!!!, then why does he say we all originate from Africa??? There goes your theory again you mulatto." That is from archeological evidence, you moron. The bones of the earliest known human ancestor was retrieved from africa. This theory is NOT based on genetics. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 360 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Easier to close your eyes than to see, easier to grab the tangable benefits of jingoism than wait for the more long term benefits of a clear concience." If LTTE terrorist supporters and Indian secessionists like you can have a "clear conscience", I would like to question the value of a "clear conscience". Maybe you can explain that a little. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 361 of 536 ) Gandalf: "You see a lot less people in todays fast paced TV world who would rather sit back and think. " Lamenting that you are not a "thinker" due to your non aryan genes, eh? Poor gandu. But I agree that you are a perfect example of the TV-watching ignorant imbecile who makes up what he does not know. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 362 of 536 ) "You see a lot less people in todays fast paced TV world who would rather sit back and think. " So, better accept what the commies say and continue eating potato chips and watching TV ??? Or like the lashkar terrorists, break up the TV saying that it is a satanic invention that keeps you from progressing??? Either way, accept the marxist theories for your own good!! eh? Good try dum dum, put in more efforts - there may be several 'galaxy'ies around to nod in amazement and gape at you in awe of your superior 'thinking' (inspite of watching TV)!!! |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 363 of 536 ) Vikramji, How can this Galaxy maderchot be Gandalf's dicksucker, Gand does not have a dick! He does not have a brain, he is just a Gand that farts nonstop. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 364 of 536 ) Galaxy, you maderchot. VHP came into being to keep Vedantic beliefs alive , especially among Indians who have migrated to the West and other countries.That Vedantic philosophy is vastly superior to barbaric beliefs spreading terror does not need elaboration and is self-evident.We have spent enough time analyzing this. That VHP/Shiv Sena etc have been forced to learn a little militancy is a reflection of Jehadi terror that has been around in India, now for nearly a thousand years.So, you idiot you are equating a policeman with a brigade of heartless robbers and rapists. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 365 of 536 ) Has anyone of our pseodo secular pimps and whores protested against Jehadi terror in Nigeria or the terrorist attack on innocent civilians in Kenya. The Hindus in Kashmir of course do not matter as the "healing process" may require the sacrifice of the remaining souls there. Purely in terms of Justice and Equity, is there a moral crime in a Hindu or a Sikh kicking in the teeth of a Jehadi.We are surrounded by a nearly 400-450 million of them. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 366 of 536 ) Folkes, Notice that Prem Shankar Zhaduwala is now writing that if BJP wins in Gujarat it is due to deeper darker chauvinism.Naturally, any anti Jehadi activity is considered by this pimp and traitor as deeper, darker chauvinism. Really time has come to snuff out some of these bastards. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 367 of 536 ) Shekar Gupta (remember the bald traitor, the editor of Indian express who went to Pakistan and told them that BJP is a mafia and that the indian press would 'take care' of the BJP) has written a column 2 weeks back on similar lines. These thugs are canvassing their best for congress and the commies. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 368 of 536 ) Regarding the killing of LET terrorists in Raghunath Temple, Kuldip Nayyar, Harkishen Surjeet and Sonia Gandhi are looking at approaching the NHRC to investigate the 'disproportionate use of force' by the armed forces in killing the LET creatures. It seems that the magazines of the AK-47s used by the LET creatures were empty of all bullets!!! So, the armed forces is supposed to have a laser vision to find out if the terrorists' guns are empty of bullets and fill them up before shooting the creatures on their toes !!! |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 369 of 536 ) To All Secular Nationalists, Brothers and Sisters, Open today's Hindustan Times: Traitor and terrorist Bukhari says that secularism should be taught to those who question Muslims and Islam.Got it.Killing of infidels and calling them dumb, deaf and blind beasts of burden is perfectly secular. Thus the terrorist attack on the train is a permitted secular Islamic activity.Resistance to terror is unIslamic and unsecular. Maderchot Kuldip Nayar must get his inspiration after giving Bukhari a blowjob! Terrorist farherfucker Bukhari also says that Gujrat election will decide the future of India!!! Read if secular and nationalists organizations like the BJP win, terrorist activities will begin. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 370 of 536 ) Thus according to Pedophile Bukhari, molesting children is a secular activity as it is fully sactioned. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 371 of 536 ) Whore Sonia says in England that Indian Muslims are untouched by terrorism. What was Godhra, what was Sholapur, what was Coimbtore,what is happening in Jammu and Kashmir, what is happening in the North East,who is aiding and abetting infiltraion of Bangla Deshis? NOTE THIS IS NOT PURPORTED TO BE AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST BUT ONLY ILLUSTRATIVE. People, ask yourself this question.Do snakes become harmless earthworms just by drawing lines on a map.Pakistan is the nervecenter of global terrorism and Pakistan was created by then Indian Muslims!!Do Indian Muslims read a different scripture? The only difference is one of having a majoruty and having SAFE opportunities. |
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Musalman 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 372 of 536 ) Not only VHP but all the sister Organizations like Bajarang Dal etc. needs to be banned to maintain communal harmony in India. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 373 of 536 ) It is indeed time India declares itself a Hindu State and put severe restrictions on faiths that have been injurious to Indian history, psyche, and constitute a security threat.All destroyed Hindu temples must be rebuilt bulldozing illegal and immoral structures without any ado. |
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galaxy 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 374 of 536 ) Post 373# straight out of Nagpur. Unfortunately this is the thinking in Gandhinagar and New Delhi today. Post 373 gives us the so called panacea for all ills. Sheer brilliance ! (Sorry for a long response) Following the panacea will immediately ameliorate the biggest killer in India according to the World Health Organisation - POVERTY (not terrorism). It will forthwith deal with the corruption and venality. Most recent surveys place us very high on the corrupt nations list in Asia (no improvement from the Halcyon days of the Congress)after all becoming a Hindu Nation will make us ALL, more pious and less 'corrupt' . And corruption in India is in any case an ISI-jehadi- commie creation.Look at Pakistan (the failed theocratic state- a redundant statement,my apololgies, there have been no 'succesful' theocratic states) and the twin towers for its model ---corruption and export of terrorism. It will give a big push to the construction industry. There were hundreds of temples razed weren't they? And the VHP can continue its tax free collection drives globally.Food for work programs can be linked to temple constructions now. It does not matter if these temples will keep out a significant part of our Hindu society.And to hell and damnation the dams that the atheistic dreamer Nehru called the 'temples of modern India' WE NEED THE REAL THING ! Especially that which will involve a few churches and mosques.More work you know.Demolish the churches and mosques and then build magnificient temples. So what if Arundhati Roy and her commie symathisers get what they want( end to big dams).This will take care of unemployment too.Presently training people in the use of trishuls and riots is a 'dying' business, and does not ensure permanent employment or continuance out of jail. As we become a theocratic state, and put severe restrictions on all the vicious enmeies who have damaged our psyche and deranged us. Impacted our history.Consituted a threat.We will be FREE , our defence budgets will be better utlised to get portable water to a majority of our villages. Our army will serve the UN and join the global war against terror as there will be no riots. No seperatism anywhere. We will use all our nuclear weapons for peaceful purposes. so what if the peaceniks will be happy ? And No pakistan, or will there be one ? In any case, who cares, by then we will ascend to the iridiscent glorious age of MM Joshi (for which Gandhi died and so many countless shed their lives for freedom from the British. So what if gandhi is irrelevant) MM joshi is not yet irrelevant and nor are the pupetters in Nagpur. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 375 of 536 ) Galaxy,you idiot,your feeble mind did not see the message I responded to. At the same time ,self respect and pride aer not inconsistent with poverty eradication, in fact they would be highly supportive. A psyche that has become far too timid and defensive cannot win. That the Sikhs are among the most prosperous people speakes tons of their pride.And why do you think Maharashtra and Gujrat are the among the three richest states of the Union. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 376 of 536 ) Having said this I fully indorse Satnamji's thesis of Soul of India beliefs. This brilliant man is also very tolerant unlike the Jehadis. He includes Sufism as one of Indian faiths.So reflect for a moment. Did any of you assholes object to cruel theocracies in Pakistan and Bangladesh and the genocide. A near terminal decease needs catharctic treatment, but that is above you as your mind is prisoner to Chachu's secular garbage where shameless appeasement of minorities, who broke the nation and with extraterritorial loyalties,becomes the accepted doctrine. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 377 of 536 ) sinbad: "A near terminal decease needs catharctic treatment, but that is above you as your mind is prisoner to Chachu's secular garbage " I have wooden broom with a sharp broken handle here in my house. Every time I look at it, I sincerely wish that I had the oppurtunity to shove it up that Gaandmaar "chacha" Nehru's asshole. That despicable shit screwed a nation of 800 million for the sake of some british pussy, just like his grandson seems to have bequeathed a lying, anti-hindu italian whore Antonia Maino on unsuspecting Indian. Even my spit is too precious to waste on this piece of human garbage, "chacha" nehru and his contemptible italian clan. |
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galaxy 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 378 of 536 ) Post 375# I agree that self respect and pride should not come in the way of poverty amelioration. In the NORMAL COURSE. We are in abnormal times. A symbol of our national pride for some 'leaders' is Vandalism , taking the law of the land into thier own hands and distorting it out of recognition and then calling it a political movement !! You know whom I am talking about. The Hindu Hriday Samrat and the pride he talks about through violent retribution ? No different from the IMAM samudras of this world ? Or the violent foreign policy of the dubya bush ? Quite honestly what is there to be proud about in Gujarat ! The economic decline ? The amazing decline of human values,pillage , rape ,burning of innocents, arson and murder ? The growing unemployment ??? Yet we have Gaurav Yatras taken out in my home state is this the pride that works hand in hand with poverty amelioration? |
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dinipc 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 379 of 536 ) Galaxy, there is nothing to be proud of what happened in Gujarat. So is that y u keep on ranting abt Gujarat all the time? Is there a world beyond Gujarat? As far as I can remember, Akshardham, Raghunath and the bombing near the Saibaba temple in AP occured after Gujarat. Do u seem to remember that? What do we do abt ur selective memory, Galaxy? Jehadi terrorist killed bombed in numbers in those 3 temple attacks. But when the Delhi police prevented an attack on Ansal Plaza, pseudo-secularists like u popped their necks out and shouted foul at the top of their voices. So when, Jehadis Do Godhra, Akshardham, raghunath, u will forget and never mention them again. But Gujarat will be vividly clear in ur mind and u will ask us what is there to be proud of, in Gujarat? When preventive measures were taken in Ansal Plaza, u dont like that either. So what were Hindus supposed to do after Godhra? Still quietly in their hoimes as u suggest? Pseudo-secularists like u must be happy that there has been no backlash so far after Akshardham, raghunath, but God forbid if there is one more attack on a sacred Hindu temple and the Hindus retaliate, u r going to come back to these message boards with a new Hindu violence issue. So what shud be more ashamed of? Gujarat or the latest Raghunath temple attack? U pseduo-secs just dont want to address anyuthing else in this country other than Gujarat. There have been bigger genocides in the country - the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits, the massacres of Hindus in tripura - are pseudo-secs even aware of that??? |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 380 of 536 ) galaxy: "We are in abnormal times. " We sure are. When stupid, anti-hindu marxzist motherfuckers claim to be the voice of modernity and "secularism", it is a sure sign that we live in abnormal times. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 381 of 536 ) galaxy: "The amazing decline of human values,pillage , rape ,burning of innocents, arson and murder ? " Why dont we cut the crap and accept that rape, pillage and murder and genocide have always been around in India, except back then it was the stinking hindu shitheads, who are worthless when it comes to vote bank politics. So all you pro-congress, marxist shitheads ran riot. Now that the hindu vote bank is raising its head, you motherfuckers glibly talk about the "decline of human values". You stinking pieces of marxist human garbage. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 382 of 536 ) Galaxy: "A symbol of our national pride for some 'leaders' is Vandalism , taking the law of the land into thier own hands and distorting it out of recognition and then calling it a political movement !! You know whom I am talking about" The bloody congress party no doubt. They came in the name of the independence movement, and are now causing and supporting a lot of secessionist "independence" movements starting with the terrorist-sympathizing, pro-pakistani shithead Mufti Mohammed Sayeed. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 383 of 536 ) There is everything to be proud about Gujrat. Having lived in Karnavati(some idiots still call it Ahmedabad) for a few months, all one need to assimilate is learn a little Gujrati.Go to the US and you will find half the Indian migrants have come from Gujrat and look at their industrious nature and business skills. These folks were believed to be a little soft, but the counter punch they delivered to the Paapis may well go down in History as India's beginning of true resistance to the Jehadi danger that is literally all around us. BT, the Hindu Hriday Samrat that you are talking about provides another strong plank to engage in COUNTER TERRORISM But we have been too brainwashed by Chachu Jawahar Lalgand to be able to distinguish between terror and the just and essential counterterrorism. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 384 of 536 ) dinipcji, You seem to ignore that ethnic cleansing of Hindus, whether in Paapiland, BanglaDesh(Paapiland B), Kashmir, Hyderabad(in A.P). Junagadh, Mopla Land,Tripura is part of the hatefilled Jehadi philosophy and thus fully secular.Indian Antinational Congress will certify this any time. |
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galaxy 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 385 of 536 ) Post 379# To clarify. I am extremely concerned about the terrorist attacks at Akshardam, Raghunath (or Bali for that matter) and ethnic cleansing whether in Kashmir (of the Pandits) or Bosnia or Gujarat or Bangladesh and wherever it takes place. I am concerned about loss of 'innocent lives' whether it is at the WTC, Kashmir, Jerusalem, Godhra, West Bank or Afghanistan. Got it ?!? I do not believe that innocents have a different colour of blood (based on the incidence of thier parents religion). I do not believe that my grand children (who are hindus) should be killed in the UK because someone claiming to be Hindu ,in Ahmedabad killed someone there, someone whose sole indictment was a Muslim name ! Being concerned cannot call for selective amnesia ,that is intellectual dishonesty ( who says that intellecutal dishonesty is the exclusive preserve of Marxist and congress wallahs and p-s ????) Unfortunately, I believe that terrorism is a scourge for humanity and it does not matter who indulges in it. It also does not get legitmaised when it is Government repression in violation of the statue book or oppressed turning oppressors..... I believe that wanton violation of the law is a scourge and should be dealt with by the full force of the law (whether it is individuals, terrorist organisations ,'cultural organistaions', politicians or entire governments) No double standards here !!!! One for me and my group and my community (the righteous ones) and one for the rest of the world (jehadis and their symathisers). There is a world outside the mindless violence of Gujarat.YES.TRUE. I KNOW AND AGREE. There is an industriousness amongst Gujarati - Hindus and Muslim Gujaratis - which I do not need to be told about I AM from a Gujarati business family with business interest in the UK and North America . I am objecting to 'GAURAV YATRAS'political exercises of self aggrandisement of essentially a megalamoaniac (not to the splendour of Gujarat) when there is nothing to be proud about the mindless violence and a conniving political establishment. Trust have clarified the point ! |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 386 of 536 ) Gasleak,you asshole, Your #385 is exactly that,full of outdated cliches, platitudes and erstwhile slogans. I agree that there is a huge problem with Hinduism. There just excessive tolerance and refusal to believe that there is rampant and ever growing Jehadi poison despite ever mounting evidence to the contrary, evidence accumulated over a thousand years of tears and blood. The danger to your grandchildren is nit from BT or Mody it is from the Jehadi filth growing unchecked in BradfordLeeds and numerous other areas. They will be safer if the Talibanis know that there will be resistance and revenge.The Mumbai events in 1991 and in Gujrat in 2002 were disciplining operations, nothing more and these are desperately needed., make no bones about it. They make you safer. What is this shit about "innocent blood". Do you have some sort of an innocence guage that you can apply.I will say this over and over again. IF INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE SECULAR, PAAPILAND AND BANGLA DESH WOULD BE SECULAR COUNTRIES.If innocent are concerned about their innocence, let them denounce violence, terror , intolerance and bigotry publicly. Let them show it by some concrete action like adopting the UCC.Let Kashmiri Muslims invite the Pandits back with compensation. Otherwise this is just hogwash, nothing else. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 387 of 536 ) Gasleak, you asshole, I do not know of a single instance, excepting Salman Rushdie, where a Muslim has publicly dared talk against accepted beliefs.Innocents take care that they be not classified with Jehadis. When the 85% Hindus act as a vote bank, the Congressi deshdrohis will change their tunes.Until that time India's fate will continue to be decided by an evil vote bank that broke the nation and is carrying out insurgencies wherever opportunities permit. You yourself said these are not normal times, exactly right. We need Draconian measures to guard our internal as well as external security. I personally will feed hundred starving dogs the day a Muslim comes forward with a donation to rebuild the three temples, three out of forty thousand!!!!!! Hey Ram, Hamare Ramchandra. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 388 of 536 ) Gasleak you asshole, Only a couple of days back one gutter class convert was roaring that there is no compromise to One God. Why the fuck not.I will worship 33 million Gods if I so wish or none at all.And he carries on there can be no freedom to propagate other faiths which translates :there is noroom for other faiths taking history as a guide. I did not hear you protest. |
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galaxy 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 389 of 536 ) Sinbadji Post 386. Firstly may I request you to avoid petty name calling ,so that we can debate issues, unless you, like Vikram/Karapall are not interested in debate and would prefer name calling.In which case this is my last post in response. Clearly you are very angry but the argument you are making is not convincing nor coherent to me. What I gather you are saying is that 'Indian Muslims are not trustworthy. Because of the sordid role of Muslims in the partition. All of them are jehadi supporters . They have been insulting Hinduism and there is no such thing as an innocent Muslims since they do not denounce terror , have not pushed for a UCC, not supported building temples' and similar grievances. Firstly,it is not my case that adherents of Islam are free of bigotry and violence. Yes, fundamentalists in Islam are creating problems.Just like Fundementalists world over. Your solution of dealing with the archetype 'Jehadi filth' , so long as with the full force and within the law, no quarell there too. So long as they are violating the law or are preparing to violate the law. I dis agree with the basis or the 'guage' for innocence as you call it. I think the gauge is based on tokens, tokens, which, to my mind are misleading, atavistic,chauvinistic and communal. We have a splendid framework, the rule of law and the constitution of India, why do you want to undermine it by setting extraneous and downright communal criteria ? As a devout Hindu and a law abiding citizen I think setting communal criteria is incorrect. There is a law of the land. If jehadi forces choose to violate it (godhra, Raghunath or anywhere in the world) or are connivng to violate it, let the law run its course. The basic approach has to be ALWAYS, that every man is innocent till (legally) proven otherwise. I am glad that Bush or Blair have not taken your solution and gone after every single American or British Muslim (except the Jwalkers).Nor have they asked them to prove thier allegiance and innocence by extraneous factors (like passing tests set by communal Christians) to the rule of law. Your solution will not bring lasting peace. BTW the law of the land, if applied without fear or communal favour, will bring peace, though it will see BT and Singhal and Togadia and the VHP ilk behind bars, keeping company with thier comrades in arms the Jehadi filth..What an irony ! Is this probably why the law of the land is not an appropriate acid test for those living in glass houses? |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 390 of 536 ) Note that Muslims prompted by the AIBMAC (BabriMasjid Action Committee) have declared Dec. 6th as a black day until a mosque is rebuilt in Ayodhya. All you hindu shitheads must wonder where these motherfuckers get the balls to spit on the religious sensitivities of the majority community. If you hindu shits sit back and accept such behavior from the Indian jihadi muslim shits in the AIBMAC, then you deserve all the contempt and derision that is poured on you hindu shitheads. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 391 of 536 ) galaxy: "I am glad that Bush or Blair have not taken your solution and gone after every single American or British Muslim (except the Jwalkers)." Neither have we in India. The real question is why pseudo-secular shitheads want all of us to tolerate jihadi terrorism and fundamentalism in the name of "secularism", which simultaneously decrying similar behavior by hindu fundamentalists. There is no explanation here other than that these motherfuckers are anti-hindu to the core. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 392 of 536 ) Galaxy, Read my messages 5420 to 5423 in Riots after riots as it answers most of your arguments. I stronly recommend reading of the Koran to you, along with some literature of Hindu Bhakti Saints and Sikh Gurus. |
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galaxy 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 393 of 536 ) Sinbadji ,have read the posts you have referred to. Thanks. I frankly do not agree with the analogy that you make to argue your case. It seems that we have said what we have to and you are entitled to your point of view. On another note and in response to one of your earlier posts,have read the Quran. I have read the bible. Have read a lot on our religion,on Hinduism on the Bhakti sants and the Sikh gurus, am quite contented with the religion of my ancestors. I don't care whether this makes me a kafir or whether people have a problem with the religion we believe in or the rituals we follow. If anyone has a problem with our concept of God it is for them a problem to be sorted out not for me or you. Nor does it call for a response. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 394 of 536 ) galaxy: "I don't care whether this makes me a kafir or whether people have a problem with the religion we believe in or the rituals we follow. If anyone has a problem with our concept of God it is for them a problem to be sorted out not for me or you." Even when they use some plastic explosive on you because they have "a problem with your god", eh? Brilliant. You are clearly a fucking genius. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 395 of 536 ) Galaxy, Whatever your religion,Jainism,I wonder, poses no problems to me, if you are an atheist, why not. If you want to install a cobra as god, go ahead. The problem is with those who preach and practise hatred and violence.The latest act being the Ghatkopar bus explosion. Whereas I regard Vedantic concepts with reverence, I really do not know if selfless action leads to Mukti, but part of selfless action is fighting evil per both Shri Ram and Shri Krishna. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 396 of 536 ) "A symbol of our national pride for some 'leaders' is Vandalism...." Nahi Beta, babri masjid is a symbol of NATIONAL DEFEAT, NATIONAL SLAVERY at the hands of an islamic rapist and marauder. But the best test of secularism is your enthusiastic willingness to accept Babar and Aurangzeb as 'secular rulers' while shouting down Shivaji and Guru Gobind Singh as 'misguided patriots'. You accept it? Congrats! you are a 'secular' indian. You don't accept it? You fucking chaddi, you bloody idol worshipper, you fucking rightist sanghi, you tight trouser wearing pregnant woman disembowelling hindu fanatic ! |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 397 of 536 ) "If anyone has a problem with our concept of God it is for them a problem to be sorted out not for me or you." And what if anyone has a problem with your existence? The Quran exhorts the muslims, clearly and loudly to slay the IDOLATORS. Leave alone not respecting hinduism, you dimwit, Quran lays a duty on muslims to kill kafirs and / or make them slaves. And that includes poor you, dear galaxy beta. You got no problem with that? But then it is a comforting factor that muslims have not grown up to a majority in India to enforce their quranic injunctions dutifully and comprehensively. And our life is insured if status quo prevails. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 398 of 536 ) "On another note and in response to one of your earlier posts,have read the Quran...." Lie not, you fucking bandicoot! Lie not. You have not read the Quran. What you have read is a tiny booklet called 'Thus spake Mohammad' issued by the Ramakrishna Mission (issued solely in the interests of 'secularism', the fraud variety) that is available for Rs. 10. And that is not the Quran. If you got any friends in arabic countries, get hold of an arabic version with english translation from that country. And read it. Then come here and talk. A sanitised and beautified one available in Chennai or Delhi will not do, coz it will be 'politically corrected' !!! I bet all the money in my purse that you would have joined Israeli defence force (as a toilet cleaner, to begin with) by then. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 399 of 536 ) vikram: "If you got any friends in arabic countries, get hold of an arabic version with english translation from that country. " Even better, there are THREE Quranic translations on the web. Do a keyword search on "Pickthall" and you will find one of them. Then, go read some of the really brilliant verses in the Quran that do not tolerate your co-existance with the "true believers" (TM). |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 400 of 536 ) "Really time has come to snuff out some of these bastards." Well Sinbad, less yapping and more snuffing would be of essence.. you nympho cow with 4 udders |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 401 of 536 ) gandalf: "Well Sinbad, less yapping and more snuffing would be of essence.. " Don't you have any heroin smuggling or weapons deals to make for your buddies in the LTTE? I am sure that you have first hand experience as far as "snuffing" goes, right, you LTTE puke. |
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irfan_b 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 402 of 536 ) VIKRAM DEAR WHOLE INDIA IS LIKE A BIG SHITPOT, WITH U ALL SHITHEADS LIVING IN IT.SO DEALING WITH SHIT COMES NATURALY TO U , SO ALL OF OF U ARE POTENTIAL TOILET CLEANERS WORLD OVER ...U APPLY FOR A JOB DEAR....U WILL BE ASTONISHED TO FIND U WILL GET 30000 INDIN RUPEES PER MONTH.SEE UR MEMORY IS SHORT LIVED U SHITHEAD DO U KNOW WHY THE BRAVE LTTE KILLED UR MODIFIED SHITHEAD RAJIV GANDHI, BECOZ WHEN UR ARMY (CHAMBAL KAY DAKU) WHERE CONFRONTED BY LTTE THEY JUST RAN AWAY LEAVING THEIR Arms behind. In the aftermath they ruthlessly wiped the whole civillian population of a village called VELVETHITHURAI .. and with that Rajiv Gandhu had written his fate which he met at the hands of brave LTTE FIGHTERS. |
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irfan_b 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 403 of 536 ) VIKRAM DEAR WHOLE INDIA IS LIKE A BIG SHITPOT, WITH U ALL SHITHEADS LIVING IN IT.SO DEALING WITH SHIT COMES NATURALY TO U , SO ALL OF OF U ARE POTENTIAL TOILET CLEANERS WORLD OVER ...U APPLY FOR A JOB DEAR....U WILL BE ASTONISHED TO FIND U WILL GET 30000 INDIN RUPEES PER MONTH.SEE UR MEMORY IS SHORT LIVED U SHITHEAD DO U KNOW WHY THE BRAVE LTTE KILLED UR MODIFIED SHITHEAD RAJIV GANDHI, BECOZ WHEN UR ARMY (CHAMBAL KAY DAKU) WHERE CONFRONTED BY LTTE THEY JUST RAN AWAY LEAVING THEIR Arms behind. In the aftermath they ruthlessly wiped the whole civillian population of a village called VELVETHITHURAI .. and with that Rajiv Gandhu had written his fate which he met at the hands of brave LTTE FIGHTERS. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 404 of 536 ) irfan_b: Dont mean to interrupt you, but your country pakistan's main exports are Heroin, Hashish, and International Terrorism. So feel free to complain about India's problems, as I am sure that your country's problems are beyond any solution. Jihadi pigfuckers like you will die because of your own hatred and stupidity. |
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ihatepak 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 405 of 536 ) irfan_b dear I don't care if Indian soldiers afraid of LTTE . I am very happy that we Indians raped you 4 times since 1947. Oh dear do u remeber how we fucked your ass in 1971 ? Do you remember Kargil ? Do you stll love East Pakistan ? We Indian can fuck your ass anytime we want. Why do you worry dear ? You Pakistanis are stray Dogs. You earn your living sucking American Dick. Eh , your president is so keen on giving a blow job to George W Bush ! All the best you PIGISTANIS. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 406 of 536 ) irfan dear, If the whole of India is like a shitpot, then Pakistan is the Sewerage pit where all the shit ends up in. Oh, you would not have heard of concepts like sewers in your filty deseart land :-). And why do you guys always get orgasms based on other peoples exploits?, No balls of your own I see.. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 407 of 536 ) It must be tough living in a country that has no identiry, no successes, absolutely no contribution to the world other than homo Pathan taxidrivers.. I guess we should understand your frustration and leave you alone. |
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Satnam 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 408 of 536 ) Gandalf, you buffoon. For a change you have done well, especially #406. But the Pakis have many contrinbutions. TREACHERY,COWARDICE,BIGOTRY ,HATRED, TOTAL IDIOCY, PARRICIDE, FATRICIDE, INCEST,RAPE,ANIMAL SEX.SEXUAL PERVERSIONS. They are also the biggest exporters of Terror, Drugs and Canned Pigshitand Pigoffal.They also provide Mullahs for service. |
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jbindra 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 409 of 536 ) We shall overcome. irfan_b: What is wrong with you ? Does your local mullah screw you too hard that you come and squeal on an Indian message board to get sympathy ? Look at Pakistan you idiot. The only thing that it seems to excel in is manufacturing jehadis and exporting terrorism. All the other things are imported from foreign nations. Gad ! You even need an Indian born general to be able rule a bunch of barbarians like yourself. So dont be too happy that youre living in the shitpot of the world that is Unpakistan. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 410 of 536 ) Arrrr Fati Gand, Your despicable Pakiland does not seem to have invented sewage purification yet, otherwise rotting turds like you would have beeb recycled long ago. Shouldn't Paapiland be made the dumping ground for global hazardous waste? |
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Satnam 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 411 of 536 ) Now that the enlightened and progressive forces led by the lion NarinderSingh are headed towards a clear majority in Gujrat, my hearfelt congratulations to the brave people of Gujrat.All the evil companies including the shameless pseudo secular media was organised against secular parties. A serious question now is :SHOULD THE CONGRESS BE BANNED FOR SUPPORTING AND CODDLING TERRORISM? Congress was involved in the terrorism in the Punjab directly. Congress organized the genocide of Sikhs in Delhi in 1984. The terrorist Muft Mohammed is ruling in Kashmir with Congress help. He is actively supporting terrorist elements. Sonia Randi's latest speeches leave no doubt about her blind support of Jehadi elements.She claims there is no terrorism in India, there are no Jehadis in India. PEOPLE READ THIS AND GASP. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 412 of 536 ) Satnam, Pal, you missed out on the fucking congress extending all sort of support (ably financed by the Vatican) to the North Eastern terrorists. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 413 of 536 ) 412: Err, the way I understand it, the North East does not have any Catholics and as far as I have read, the Catholics dont get along with Protestants. So Its quite interesting how the Catholic Vactican supports the Protestand North East. Oh well I guess its somethng like the Vactican supporting the LTTE charge. You vermin are lying cowardly thieves. Just like the Cowardly Jehadis blowup innocent people, you screw up innocent minds with your lies. Why cant you thieves fingt like men. Strenght and Honour are concepts that you belted buttfucked beef testicles will never have |
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aries78 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 414 of 536 ) INSTEAD OF VHP, IT IS THE MAGZINES LIKE OUTLOOK THAT SHOULD BE BANNED AND MEHTA BE SENT TO PAKISTAN SO THAT THE MULLAHS CAN FUCK HIS GORI GAAND. THEN LET HIM TRY GIVING HIS PSEUDO-SECULAR FUNDAS TO HIM. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 415 of 536 ) Why dont you get your wife to ban her motherinlaw while you are at it.. Hats off to the heroic English media that refused to hide under the skirts of mob killers, inferiority complexed minnows and disembelowers of pregnant women. Any fool wins elections at times. But take an example of France, What this the population do with the far right won 20% votes on planks of Nationalism, anti immigration, anti minorities etc. They came out and protested. Where is Austria's Haider now?, Do you think that because Hitler was voted to power he was right?, Would you agree with Islamic fundies just because they win a majority in NWFP. Way to go Outlook, and hats off!.. those of you who know the meaning of Strength and Honour. Which immediately excludes Sanghis! |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 416 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Hats off to the heroic English media that refused to hide under the skirts of mob killers, inferiority complexed minnows and disembelowers of pregnant women. " Heroic English media? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. These are the same shitheads who refused to call terrorists as terrorists until the white people started doing so, and you call these cowardly shitheads as heroes. It says a lot more about you than it does about the hindus that you are demonizing. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 417 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Way to go Outlook, and hats off!.. those of you who know the meaning of Strength and Honour. " I suppose good vocabulary has its plus points. But you pseudo-secular shitheads need to go a step further AND ACTUALLY ACT with courage, strength, honor, and dignity. You pseudo-secular shitheads like to repeat what ever braindead shit the left-wing media spits out in western countries. You shitheads cannot think in an indo-centric perspective in an objective manner, and that is the main reason why you pseudo-secular shitheads will become irrelevant to the Indian polity soon enough. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 418 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Do you think that because Hitler was voted to power he was right?, Would you agree with Islamic fundies just because they win a majority in NWFP. " Your arguments by false analogies is quite tiresome. Just remember that people are aware of your bullshit analogies. If you had any more brains, you would recognize that the above argument applies even when pseudo-secular shitheads win elections -- that is, the pseudo-secular congress shitheads are not right just because they won elections via communal vote-bank politics. Think a little before you score same-side goals, you dumb, stupid, lame-ass, pro-LTTE, tamil separatist shithead. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 419 of 536 ) 418, interesting point emerges in the cacophony of your aimless ramblings. How do you determine what is right and wrong. Does a simple election victory determine the appropriateness of say.. Facism (as in Gujarat), or is right and wrong a function of time. Just thinking aloud Karappal, dont trouble yourself answering |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 420 of 536 ) Hats off to the heroic English media that refused to hide under the skirts of mob killers, inferiority complexed minnows and disembelowers of pregnant women. Any fool wins elections at times. But take an example of France, What this the population do with the far right won 20% votes on planks of Nationalism, anti immigration, anti minorities etc. They came out and protested. Where is Austria's Haider now?, Do you think that because Hitler was voted to power he was right?, Would you agree with Islamic fundies just because they win a majority in NWFP. Way to go Outlook, and hats off!.. those of you who know the meaning of Strength and Honour. Which immediately excludes Sanghis! |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 421 of 536 ) Karapall, in my above post you accused me of being a Hindu hater. Care to explain how you arrived at that conclusion? |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 422 of 536 ) "412: Err, the way I understand it, the North East does not have any Catholics and as far as I have read, the Catholics dont get along with Protestants." And your bastardly self will also not know that north east is a christian majority area now. And also that hindus are not allowed to worship in public there by the christians. I got nothing against your ignorance by wallowing wherein you seem to find bliss. But keep your fucking mouth shut instead of continuing to utter stupidities. Unlike you others here don't find bliss in stupidity and ignorance. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 423 of 536 ) Speak for yourself dick. Hindus are not allowed to worship??????? You bunch of Sanghis have no standards or morals.. Cant you be at least truthful fo once! |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 424 of 536 ) Gandalf: "Speak for yourself dick. Hindus are not allowed to worship??????? " Hindus are being ethnically cleansed in the north-east by christian fanatics, you shithead. Go read the news for a change. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 425 of 536 ) Gettting back to the topic of discussion: Should the VHP be banned? VHP should be banned as it is an organization that has been perpetrator of violence. Its neo-nazi agenda is strongly anti-minority and Gujarat riots demonstrated the brutality this organization is capable of. The fact that it is not banned reflects on the double standards of indian government that spared no time in banning other organizations. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 426 of 536 ) Go read the news for a change..., Cant find anything that supports your claim.. I did not search Samna or the Organizer though! |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 427 of 536 ) “Go read the news for a change..., Cant find anything that supports your claim.. I did not search Samna or the Organizer though!” No wonder you are among the most stupid creatures existing around here. Read the following article, you fucking bastard before you open your dirty mouth and exhibit your moribund nature. http://www.outlookindia.com/full.as p?f odname=20021 217&fname=northeast&sid=1 and of course you will NOW call outlookindia as a sanghi tool !!! Now THAT would be the ultimate insult to Vinod Mehta who will rape you to death for that! |
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babloo 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 428 of 536 ) yagacho: "Its neo-nazi agenda is strongly anti-minority and Gujarat riots demonstrated the brutality this organization is capable of." Since people like you are so anti-hindu, why does it irk you when the hindus become more cohesive?? Is it because the divisive, communal agenda of you pseudo-seculars will not work anymore when hindus become more united?? |
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babloo 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 429 of 536 ) tathagat: "...so ur loov 4 fascism will give u shame and an end like Mussolinii or ur lampaT gobar chhaap adminstration/governance will give yoooz an end like the french monarch..." Are you not ashamed to spew such venom against hindus?? German and italan fascism are as far away from hinduism (even the fundamentalist variety) as you seem to be from having a working brain. " u being there i don't think it wud rain... may be u end end up like the french monarch... [u got sooo much grain but no moolah to moov... lol... what a babooonland... " You must realize that such venom and hatred has a way of getting back to you. I hope it does get back to you in spades and ruins you and all your future generation. Peace! |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 430 of 536 ) yagacho miya, Hindus saying 'Jai Sri Ram' is termed as 'offensive remarks'. Meaning Ram, leave alone being addressed as 'God' or even as 'hindu god', is an offensive character, Islamic terrorists saying (usually braying or wailing) 'Insha-Allah' is always termed as 'God willing' - leave alone the fact that 85% of the population do not consider Allah as God and even when ALL the terrorists use these very words. That's media bigotry and secularism at work for you: And believing this bigotry is the ultimate test for a being termed secularist. Spare me guy, I don't think the badge of 'secularism' is worth, at least any longer. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 431 of 536 ) yagacho: "Should the VHP be banned?" I dont know about the VHP, but lying, bigoted, anti-hindu, communist shitheads like you certainly need to be exterminated. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 432 of 536 ) vikram, be careful to use the term pseudo-secularism when you refer to what is practised by these communist/congress shitheads in India, because it CERTAINLY is not secularism. If these motherfuckers were TRULY secular, I would probably be on their side. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 433 of 536 ) babloo, i have no problems with hindus getting united/cohesive. problem is when VHP extremists kill innocent people and are let go scot free. All the people responsible for Godhra have been arrested and under legal proceedings. But this is not the case for animals who commited the following genocide. that is the problem. vikram99, i have no problems with hindus saying 'Jai Shree Ram', rather people do say it quiet openly where i live. Frankly speaking your emotional reply had no rational arguments against the facts i mentioned. karapall, point is you have no intelligent arguments to make so all you are doing is blabbering some rubbish. put up some good arguments to support VHP, not meaningless garbage. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 434 of 536 ) yagacho: "put up some good arguments to support VHP, not meaningless garbage." What makes you think I am going to speak for the VHP, asshole? Besides, almost all the communal violence in India is instigated by members of the muslim community, usually Indian muslims who have been trained for terrorism in pakistan. Godhra was instigated by muslims in Signal Falia, not one or two muslims, but a whole mob of a few hundred people who burnt some hindus alive JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE HINDUS. So excuse me if I an apathetic to the deaths of the muslims in the aftermath of Godhra...life sucks, and then you die. The point is that the law and order situation in gujarat after godhra was not handled properly by the govt, and a lot of these culprits of the post godhra riots have been nabbed, including members of the BJP who were found culpable for homicide during the riots. Instead of spending all your energy spitting anyone and everyone who seems to disagree with you, you should be thinking about the essentials for maintaining law and order. Look at the despicable way Krishna is handling the veerappan problem. Look at the deplorably way in which the west bengal govt. is handling the bangladeshi terrorist problem. THESE PROBLEMS ARE REAL, you stupid cretin, and none of these have anything to with the VHP or hindutva. If you had any more brains you would realize that all of us are on the same side, ie., India. Just because we disagree over political ideologies, there is no need to demonize hindus as fascists and nazis. Not least because it is utterly false, but because such rhetoric is used by all the bigoted islamic shits all over the world who would not know what it means to be tolerant if you stayed up all night and explained it to them. If there is one thing everyone across the board agrees here, it is that the law and order situation in India is deplorable, especially in states run by "secular" parties like the congress and the communist parties. There is a reason why this is so. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 435 of 536 ) yagacho: "All the people responsible for Godhra have been arrested and under legal proceedings. But this is not the case for animals who commited the following genocide. that is the problem." So why that translate to hatred for hindus, you stupid motherfucker. I dont think anyone here is pretending that the law and order situation in India is fine and dandy. So, what you should be asking yourself is, HOW DO YOU STOP ANOTHER GODHRA SO THAT ANTI_MUSLIM RIOTS DONT ENSUE. I can guarantee you that if the muslim community does not come out and speak against godhra on their own (they did so under durress after they were exposed as far as Godhra was concerned), then each muslim mob violence that target hindus will reap more muslim deaths. So what I am saying is: there is plenty of blame to spread around among hindus, muslims, and pseudo-secular shitheads in the media (who are the main culprits in destroying communal harmony). Even today, the Indian express has an article saying that some white whore belonging to some so-called humanitarian organization think that gujarat is worse than bosnia. Firstly, who gives a shit what some jobless white cunt thinks of India? Secondly, the situation in Bosnia is unique given the history of the balkans. But to the pseudo-secular MFs in the media, objectively viewing the situation and analyzing it so that we dont repeat it IS NOT THE ISSUE. USING THE GODHRA SITUATION TO EMBARRASS THE RULING PARTY IS THE SINGLE POINT AGENDA. The problem is that they dont just embarrass the ruling party, they embarrass all of India for no good reason. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 436 of 536 ) Vikramji, You err again but to err is human. Vinod Mehta cannot get it up, Arundhati the Christian whore uses a large electric dildo to butt fuck him.After Vinod Mehta collapses she uses it on herself. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 437 of 536 ) The only way to stop the recurrent jehadi violence agaist Hindus is to have a poerful counter blow each time of ever increasing intensity, whether by the state or as a spontaneous reaction, the detail is irrelevant.This is the ONLY WAY to stop the execution of the Grand Design OR ALTERNATELY(CONT) |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 438 of 536 ) Everyone should know that two wrongs do not make one right, thus when a temple is destroyed by fanatics, Hindus must offer one more temple for destruction as only one wrong will be perpetuated. After all we have a Constitution which is secular, thus minorities and their feelings must be protected at all costs.When all of us see the kight and submit to Allah and Mohmmed his Prophet(PBUH) naturally Sharia law will replace the decadent constitution of the filthy idolaters. Remember all you sickly Hindus, minorities call you Najis and burdens of beast in your own country because their religion openly says so and the constitution gives them full rights to practise their religion thus destruction of temples and burning to death of Hindu karsevaks and rape of Hindu women is fully authorised by the constitution as valid and legitimate acts. Since Hinduism/Sikhism/Buddhism do not permit rape, destruction,murder of minorities you are not allowed to retaliate but to suffer,furthermore two wrongs do not make it right. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 439 of 536 ) "Read the following article, you fucking bastard before you open your dirty mouth and exhibit your moribund nature. http://www.outlookindia.com/full.as p?f odname=20021 217&fname=northeast&sid=1" Vikram the buttfucked, lovely article, Thanks!. But where does it say that Hindus are not being allowed to worship. All it says is that Church seem forced to make a Dobson choice regarding social standards. It also mentions the Church is in the forefront of peace initiatives. Is that anti-Hindu? |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 440 of 536 ) So ypu decadent Hindus and Sikhs, It is essential to ban the VHP and the SHIV SENA as they teach Hindus wrong concepts like pride and self respect. Where in the Constitution has it been said that Hindus should have self respect and after all we cannot progress unless minorities progress. And they cannot progress unless they destroy idolatery and idolaters, so let us ban the BJP and the RSS. Do not ,I repeat do not, ever recite Ram Naam in public as minoritoes may be offended. Celebrating Shivaji Jayanti should be treated as a capital offense without trial, and all participants be burnt alive. Then we will say no Muslim will commit an act like this and one should not hold all 150 millions respnsible for these acts. Were they all present there.Who knows Hindus themselves may have burnt Shiv Sainiks to start communal disharmony. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 441 of 536 ) Sinbad, it looks like you are having a bad day!, Take care.. Take some action and call up the nearest center for abused children, They will help you |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 442 of 536 ) And remember , you lowly Hindus, do not ever react against Jehadi violence as then you will become Pakistani bullets as the Indian Muslims , who created Pakistan, are the people Pakistan dreads most. Indian Muslims are holding the country together by being deeply relgious and devout, other wise Allah would have long since destroyed the idolaters. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 443 of 536 ) Fat gand Khan, Many thanks for your concern. Pls visit me, Badya and Pilya are hungry and are looking for a fat prey. It will not hurt much and it is only for greater communal harmony between dogs(Badya and Pilya) and pigs like you.Who knows if you recite Ram Naam at the last moment you may be born as a rat next time, a great promotion for you. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 444 of 536 ) "i have no problems with hindus saying 'Jai Shree Ram', rather people do say it quiet openly where i live." arre miya, you totally missed the point I was making. Needless to say that if you muslims have problem with hindus saying 'Jai Sri Ram', we will dispath you to jannat - you can bet on that. I am talking about the pimpish attitude of the media which always reports 'Insha Allah' as 'God willing' (by interpersing Allah as God, it is conveying that all of us have to accept Allah as God) and never reports 'Jai Sri Ram' or 'Har Har Mahadev' as 'Glory unto God' (thereby doing its best to derecognise that Ram is a God and degrade him to the level of an eons ago local king) Talk about that. And don't subvert the issue by mouthing secular polemics. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 445 of 536 ) gandalf msg.#439, Again you miss the point I am trying to make. That is - the burgeoning level of involvement of the Church and missionaries in the NE states. The money flowing in from the Vatican and evangelical associations for this. - the totally demographic change in religious identity of NE, ONLY due to the aggressive conversion activities. And the social fall out of it. Check out the %s. Regarding hindus not allowed to worship and celebrate festivals in the open, better make a visit once to know for yourself. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 446 of 536 ) Vikram: You still dont have a point, the article points out that the church there is in the forefront of peace |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 447 of 536 ) Note just a few days ago the midget pimp Anwarsad was objecting to my saying "Har Har Mahadev"....... as being juvenile!!!!! No further comments are necessary, Inshram. Aha and does anyone elase recall some pigshit saying God is one and there can be no compromise there. WE HINDUS MUST DO ALL THE COMPROMISES FOR THE SAKE OF COMMUNAL HARMONY. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 448 of 536 ) "16 shot dead by NLFT in Tripura – PTI, January 13, 2002." 16 hindus shot dead, that is. Including hindu women and hindu children. Not 16 mosquitos or cuckoos. The Baptist church funded NLFT has declared an all out war against Hindu tribals. They have issued fatwas against infidel activities. These fatwas prohibit people from celebrating festivals like Durga Pooja and Makar Sankranthi, listening to Indian music, watching Indian TV channels and films, and prohibit women from wearing bangles or sporting bindis, etc. Just a year before the NLFT started all these atrocities in India, the Southern Baptist Church of the United States of America had given a clarion call to bring the light of the gospel to “millions of Hindus and Jews lost in the darkness” of their religions. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 449 of 536 ) Some more links on the atrocities of Church funded terrorism in the NE against hindus : Church backing Tripura rebels – BBC, April 18, 2000. Militants raid Hindu Ashram – The Telegraph, December 5, 2000. NLFT curb on Hindu institutions – The Telegraph, September 14, 2000. Three killed by Tripura rebels – BBC, April 14, 2000. Tribals unite against conversions in Tripura, Syed Zarir Hussain, www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/02trip.htm Sou thern Baptists target Hindus, Julia Lieblich, The Associated Press, October 21, 1999 |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 450 of 536 ) vikram99, do you have a inferiority complex regarding english. you are saying that if Ram is not referred as "God" then media "degrade him to the level of an eons ago local king". So if Ram is referred as God in media then that would put him at somewhat higher level. Isnt it implicit that when Ram is mentioned then hindus consider it as god. Or do you need anglo saxon approval of that too. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 451 of 536 ) karpall, you are not as dumb as i initially thot. finally you were able to come up with some arguments. you have a habit of deviating from topic so let me clarify again why VHP SHOULD BE BANNED. we live in a country that has a consitution, laws. In such a country if someone commits a crime then he/she should be punished. Now it is quiet a estabished fact that VHP in played a major role in Gujarat massacare. so India being a state with laws, such an organisation be banned and its asset frozen. Now coming to other things which you mentioned but are not related to banning VHP. You mention muslim initiate all violence. well it was not muslims who bought down the Babri Masjid, It was not muslims who killed 5000 sikhs in delhi riots and it was not muslims who held blood stained rath yatra. Hence your statement was incorrect. If you think that law and order is the major problme facing india then get real and wake up. India's main problems are food, water and electricity. Fifty years down majority of indians dont have access to this basic services. That is the issue. Also india is blessed with most corrupt leader and our horrible leadership is the main problem. Have you forgotten the taped bribery of BJP chief. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 452 of 536 ) Gandalf: "You still dont have a point, the article points out that the church there is in the forefront of peace" I think vikram has outlined ispoints quite succinctly, you brainless shit. If you dont see a point it is because of your own mental deficiencies. And we are supposed to believe everything the communist cocksuckers in outlook write, are we? |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 453 of 536 ) yagacho: "we live in a country that has a consitution, laws. In such a country if someone commits a crime then he/she should be punished. Now it is quiet a estabished fact that VHP in played a major role in Gujarat massacare. " Bullshit. Nothing of that sort has been established. Pseudo-secular motherfuckers like you use arguments that essentially say that all muslims cannot be blamed for godhra, and you must know the similar arguments can be applied to hindus and members of the VHP too. Or is all this too fine a point for dumb motherfuckers like you? |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 454 of 536 ) "so India being a state with laws, such an organisation be banned and its asset frozen." So why dont you argue for the freezing of the funds of Jamaat-e-hind or the AIMPLB, you pseudo-secular piece of shit. The VHP has so far not violated the laws of the land. Members of the VHP who have committed crimes and been found culpable HAVE been arrested by the gujarat govt. this is the same standard that is applied to muslim fundies, you pseudo-secular cocksucker. If you dont think that such is the case, I dare you to argue so. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 455 of 536 ) yagacho: "You mention muslim initiate all violence. well it was not muslims who bought down the Babri Masjid, It was not muslims who killed 5000 sikhs in delhi riots and it was not muslims who held blood stained rath yatra. Hence your statement was incorrect. " So now you move on to argument by absurdity. Why dont you go a step further and say that muslims did not cause all the deaths in vietnam during the vietnam war or during world war II?? Brainless pieces of shit like you need to keep in mind that the context was hindu-muslim riots, where the muslims have always initiated the violence against hindus and they reaped violence against them in return. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 456 of 536 ) yagacho: "If you think that law and order is the major problme facing india then get real and wake up." I dont know why I am arguing with a brainless communist cocksucker like yourself, but I have some time to kill right now. Do you understand the importance of the legal system in a modern nation state? you stupid commie shit. Here is the low down: Maintaining law and order is fundamental to ensuring that a framework is established so that all members of society operate under some basic rules, and will be penalized for flouting these rules. Only when such a framework is in place can the govt. successfully ensure the implementation of projects for the public welfare. Right now, 1000s of crores are sipohoned off the public exchequer ANNUALLY, which is why people remain poor and illiterate. Did that sink into your thick, brainwashed, communist skull now? " India's main problems are food, water and electricity. Fifty years down majority of indians dont have access to this basic services. That is the issue. " The question, you stupid motherfucker, is why is it that even with all the fabulous laws on anti-corruption etc. etc., we still have corruption. Where is the slip between the cup and the lip? Do you have the brains to answer this question? |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 457 of 536 ) For example, the traitorous communist motherfucker Praful Bidwai wrote a column this week in the Hindustan Times where he claims that one good reason to dismiss all criminal cases against alleged criminals INCLUDING TERRORISTS is the incompetence and corruption of the Indian police. According to this communist cocksucker, the Indian police cannot catch ALL THE CRIMINALS reliably, so we should incarcerate NONE OF THE CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS. With this kind of logic by you communist cocksuckers, is it any wonder that Indians do not understand the primal importance of law and order and working justice system in the country? |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 458 of 536 ) This pig shit eater yagacho is pointing out at Ram Janmbhumi and he is describing it by some hideous name. If partial removal of one illicit and immoral structure is a crime, if reclaiming one's lost heritage is a crime,if rebuilding Shri Ram's temple in his birthplace is a crime then how heinous is the PRECEDING CRIME THAT DESTROYED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HINDU TEMPLES MURDERED TENS OF MILLIONS OF HINDUS AND SIKHS AND CONVERTED TENS OF MILLIONS FORCIBLY. There can be no doubt that the 450 million paapis on the sub continent bear the moral and financial resopnsibllity of rebuilding Hindu heritage, not three temples but all of them. And InshaSitamaai it shall indeed happen. And HIS name is SHRI RAM and HER name is SITA. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 459 of 536 ) "do you have a inferiority complex regarding english. " totally off the mark, as usual. READ all my messages before you venture out and open your empty mouth (or is it dirty mouth?) I am looking east and you are showing the west. I am referring to the media pushing Allah as God down our throat, automatically by default and this bum is talking of english. Man man, anyway, keep going miya. It is the like of you that provide the oft needed comedy. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 460 of 536 ) “well it was not muslims who bought down the Babri Masjid,…….” What about muslims who demolished the Ram temple standing in Ayodya at that point and building a war memorial on that and calling it as Babri Masjid? That is called TERRORISM. And what about the 40000 temples that the Islamic invaders razed down to the ground throughout India? Have you ever been to Hampi to witness the ruins of the vijayanagar empire and the temples there, by muslims? “It was not muslims who killed 5000 sikhs in delhi riots” What about the millions of hindus massacred by Islamic invaders right from Afghanistan upto Bangladesh (past and present)? Coming to the present days, what about the 4 lakh kashmiri hindus driven out by muslims from Kashmir? What about the several tens of thousands of hindus killed in Kashmir by Muslims raising the slogal ‘La ilahu illala mohamaddur rasulalla’ and thereby totally lopsiding the demographics of the valley? “it was not muslims who held blood stained rath yatra.” Stained by whom, you pig? By you muslims. You are the animals that initiate and indulge in any act of savagery. History and current affairs is witness to this. Witness the savage way in which you killed on BJP worker when he and his supporters just passed thru’ a colony of muslims in Ahmedabad. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 461 of 536 ) “it was not muslims who held blood stained rath yatra.” Stained by whom, you pig? By you muslims. You are the animals that initiate and indulge in any act of savagery. History and current affairs is witness to this. Witness the savage way in which you killed on BJP worker when he and his supporters just passed thru’ a colony of muslims in Ahmedabad. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 462 of 536 ) “India's main problems are food, water and electricity. Fifty years down majority of indians dont have access to this basic services. That is the issue.” Refer yourself to the Nobel Prize committe for this year's nomination for economics. You bum, this is the main problem of all countries in the world that includes certain areas of USA even. So, does that mean we kiss Islamic terrorists in their arse everytime they kill hindus – just to bide the time till we get 100% food, water and electricity (and condoms too, given the increased level of aids?) which is possible only in Jannat? The issue is Islamic terrorism. And its unabated growth and flourish thanx to co-operation by ‘moderate’ muslims like you. And how to tackle that. Progress will be made easier. Food, water, electricity, condoms and all. Gitit? |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 463 of 536 ) “we live in a country that has a consitution, laws……..” Wowie! You now quote on constitution and laws that you muslims so wonderfully wiped your arse with after overthrowing the SC judgement in Aligarh University case and also the Shah Bano case. And what fuckin moral right do you have to even lecture hindus to obey YET TO BE DELIVERED judgements when you have thrown SC judgements down the gutter yourselves? And what fuckin right do you have talking about laws when you want separate muslim civil laws to govern muslims in a non-islamic country and still do not want the stringent sharia laws to govern criminal cases of muslims in the same country? |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 464 of 536 ) “Now it is quiet a estabished fact that VHP in played a major role in Gujarat massacare.” May I ask, by whom is it established? By the committee of retired communist servants headed by V.R. Krishna? The same V.R. Krishna Iyer who told Indira Gandhi to change the laws and come if she wanted the judgement during emergency to be reversed? The same old commie faggot. Or established by Islamic funded whores like Teesta Setalvad who runs the hate campain at sabrang.com? Or by commie whores like Arundati Roy who made up a lovely story about a hindu mob disemboweling a pregnant woman? And when asked to prove it, mumbled inane words and vanished. And if you do not know yet, the son in law of Jaffri (the one burnt in his house) has refuted and objected to Arundathi roy's stories about the way in which his family members were killed!!! Mental masturbations of the Marxist dominated Indian media and political perversions of these by American missionaries is not exactly something that can be considered ‘established facts’. Note that I did not mention Islamic institutions here. They and their savage views are long illegitimised after 9/11 !!! |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 465 of 536 ) “Also india is blessed with most corrupt leader and our horrible leadership is the main problem. Have you forgotten the taped bribery of BJP chief.” Looks like you have attained puberty recently, for you do not think beyond 1990 !!! The best and biggest corruption was by the family of the syphilitic chacha nehru, his daughter Indira Gandhi (a.k.a Maimuna Begum), her savage son Sanjay Gandhi and another moronic son Rajiv Gandhi (alongwith his Italian ‘better half’ Antonia maino and her boyfriend Ottavio Quttrochi) and the assorted lot. I would suggest you ask your Papa about their escapades and sexcapades before you venture into talking about adult stuff like corruption and leadership. And to update you on the taped bribery of tehelka, the Venkataswami Committee has all but questioned the legitimacy and genuinity of the tehelka tapes itself !!! Much of the stuff is doctored it is found, just like your commies doctored the entire history of this nation! |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 466 of 536 ) http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEP200 21124223236&Page=P&Title=States&rLink=0 "Ra pe, tape and lies in Bengal CPM village" Why don't we ban this political mafia CPI-M first before even talking about other organisations that are not even school boy stuff in front of these commies who hold doctorates in mafiaic techologies? Political and communal crimes would fall overnight if all the member thugs of CPI and CPI-M were rounded up and exported to China - without a return ticket, of course. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 467 of 536 ) And to think that Modi was bang on target when he said that CONgress and the commies are partners of Mushy and that ISI is funding the congress campaign and that Pakis would celebrate if CONgress won! Sample the identical condemnations made by Mushy and the Indian commies to temple attacks by islamic thugs. "Attack fallout of Guj riots: Mush" http://autofeed.msn.co.in/pandoraV15/output/24857F 41-0908-4CC9-9FD7-01902D499E45.asp "Temple attack a reaction to Gujarat: CPI(M)" http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_108209,0008 0001.htm The 3Ms here (Mullah Musharaf, Missionary antonia maino and Marxist CPI) work in tandem to balkanise india into numerous dar-ul-islam (a'la bangladesh) and christianstans (a'la tripura)! |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 468 of 536 ) just like the 15 and a quarter avatar ogf Vishnu - Gobbels, our Sanghis have latched onthe the concept of repeating lies so it becomes truth. Note how the Sangh brigade ( which looks like one person with many ID's - check out the timing's of the posts) have started a campaign to create a perceptiontheat they VHP had nothing to do witht he violence. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 469 of 536 ) Yes Gandalf, just one of us is writing 50-60 messages of high quality every day and ten of you are giving ten illiterate, poorly drafted, illogical replies filled with hate and ignorance. Clearly proves the superiority of the Sanghi mind and, God forbid, we may be a single North Indian Brahmin. Shame on you guys, cannot handle one of us. Pathetic, truly pathetic. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 470 of 536 ) And I am not even talking about poor grammar, spelling mistakes galore and poor syntax in the collective writings of twenty pseudo seculars. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 471 of 536 ) gandalf, you missionary pig, I would strongly advise you to refrain from any further references to any hindu gods. Any continuing derogatory reference to hindu gods shall attract an inequal and opposite reaction. What lies, you fucking bastard? If you know a wee bit of english, READ the links that I post. Fucker, these are news reportings by the so secular english media. And you illiterate pig cannot refute even one message that I have posted a link. So just shuddap if you have run out of points instead of resorting to denigrating hinduism. Fuck off you missionary puke and get back to sucking your padre's dick. It's christmas time and he will be longing for a greater celebration. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 472 of 536 ) This fucking missionary dick sucker is not even a good loser. First of all does not read the links that I post (of the so secular english newspapers!) Even if he does read, his ameoba brain stops functioning and he sees only darkness. So lacking facts to refute these messages, he indulges in typical jihadi fashion by - denigrating the womenfolk and family of the one who posts the message - denigrating the religion and deities of the one who posts the message - coming up with conspiracy theories (Since 3 people post around the same time, all 3 must be 1 !!!). This is the degraded logic that gave rise to mental abortions like the Aryan Invasion theory, brahminical hegemony, Marxism, Protocols of the Zion, Jews are behind 9/11, embowelling of pregnant muslim women by VHP etc., |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 473 of 536 ) Among the lies that are being spread as a concerted effort at disinformation is that only Ghazhny and Aurangzeb were bigots, the rest of the Sultans and Moguls were benign rulers. Who then were the Tughlaks, the Lodys, the Bahamanis. Even a shameless vassal of the Peshvas like the Nizam of Hyderabad delighted in destroying temples. Who was Tipu Sultan. The only secular rulers anong the Sultans and the Moguls I can think of were Akbar and his bevda son Salim. The story of how the murderous Bahamanis ganged up against the lone Hindu Kingdom of Vijayanagar and its rape does not bear reading.I must add that the fall of Vijaynagar was partly due to the TREACHERY OF A MUSLIM GENERAL AND HIS MUSLIM SOLDIERS IN THE PAY OF VIJAYANAGAR.Vey similar to the treachery of the socalled Mugal at the time of Panipat in 1761. Lesson::::: Do not trust the fifth column, it is now 12% and growing. |
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gandalf 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 474 of 536 ) Vikram: Take your threats, shove it down your neighbourhood godmans ass and fix it with a lingam. Secondly, I really dont care about religion and 'holy icons' have not denigrated any religion or religious structure the way you have. The disgusting things you write on Islam and Christianity would shock anyone. Thankfully there is no smart anti Hindu Bigot on this board or remember Hinduism give enough and more opportunity for your type of nonsense. Even though you are a disgusting slimeball who will only survive in your disgusting Cowbelt and will be a joke anywhere else in the world, I will try not to hurt your sentiments because I think the very action of denigrating religions reeks of bad taste |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 475 of 536 ) Gandalf, Since this may be the most important day of your Christian Calendar, I will be very polite. Q 1 When Vikram speaks the truth and the truth then happens to be disgusting what does it say about the subject of the post. Q2 Rfer to your sickening comments on Ram Naam,Satguru,Lingam,Half Breed, North Indian Brahmins. What respect have you shown to religions that are not the proselityzing kinds? |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 476 of 536 ) "Vikram: Take your threats, shove it down your neighbourhood godmans ass and fix it with a lingam." Well spoken like a typical follower of a product of roman soldier rape. Now get back to sucking your padre's dick. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 477 of 536 ) Gandalf: "I will try not to hurt your sentiments because I think the very action of denigrating religions reeks of bad taste" Ha ha ha. So says the slimy communist cocksucker who has been denigrating hindus and hinduism from day one. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 478 of 536 ) Gandalf, Since you dont care much for holy icons, let me leave you with the pleasant image of Jesus grunting in pleasure as one of his disciples gives jesus a dose of serious man love. May this joyous season result in the affliction of various diseases on you and may all in your family die a nasty and painful death when their time comes. Peace to you, my christian brother. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 479 of 536 ) "Thankfully there is no smart anti Hindu Bigot on this board or remember Hinduism give enough and more opportunity for your type of nonsense" Can anybody make meaning out of these literary abortions of a third rate missionary bastard? And this arsehole continues to contradict his statement before that statement ends!!! First he cries out for anti-hindu bigots (and the joke is he says he is not one!) and then immediately credits hinduism with giving opportuinity for others to air nonsencial views! Looks like the pukeball has had a drink too many in this 'joyous' season! YOU CAN'T TOLERATE HINDUS AND HINDUISM - GET OUTTA INDIA OR BOMB YOURSELF OUTTA EXISTENCE. It's as simple as that, you clown. You got no other choice. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 480 of 536 ) "Vatican flays Italy proposal to ban street prostitution" http://www.hindustantimes.com /news/181_124678,00050003.htm The hadda of global pedophiles a.k.a The Vatican, should be banned immediately. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 481 of 536 ) How can the Vatican give up a lucrative business it has carried on for centuries.Many nuns also need extra money. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 482 of 536 ) vikram99, despite all your SANGHI GARBAGE fact remains Gujarat masscare - act of SANGHI FANATICS bloody rath yatra - act of SANGHI FANATICS Babri Masjid demolition - act of SANGHI FANATICS accept blame for actions of your SANGHI folks, dont skip it by pointing to actions of others. all you SANGHIS have given to india is HATRED, HATRED and HATRED. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 483 of 536 ) Vikram99, ALL you SANGHIS want everyone to believe is that terrorism is the main problem of india, BULLSHIT. Basically BJP FAILED MISERABLY ON DELIVERING THE RAM RAJYA AND SANGHIS WANT TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM THAT. DUMBASS, there is not even clean drinking water availble to majority of indians and YOU HAVE THE BRAINS TO SAY THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. HENCE PROVED: YOU ARE A DUMBASS |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 484 of 536 ) yagacho, you madrassa kid now submit your lovely thesis to your master Maulana Iqbal Qutub uddin mullah to obtain an extra serving of mutton korma and 2 extra rotis today. And 10 extra caches of AK-47 bullets. And if you can't come up with some FACTS (dig what it means?) and your urdu-english dictionary has only 2 words 'Sanghi' and 'hatred', then stick to your madrassa and do not venture into an adult stuff like discussion forums. Now scoot and go play jihadi games with your fellow talibs. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 485 of 536 ) yagacho, the jihadi fuck, You fucking cross breed between a pig and camel, in case someone did not tell you so far, this forum is frequented only by humans and unfortunately (for us), we consider it below human dignity to converse with a madrassa creep like you. If you do develop a wee bit of human quality (highly unlikely, but then in Kaliyug who knows), then come with facts other than puking out stupid and comic literature like dumbass, sanghi et al., If not, so long and hope you land into the right cave in Tora bora when the time comes for you to serve your ultimate master Osama. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 486 of 536 ) vikram99, you are also suggesting that VHP had no role in gujarat riots. soon you would suggest that sun rises in the west, moon has it own light and gandhi was killed by muslims. SANGHI concept of events and histoty is so screwed up that it is laughable. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 487 of 536 ) "soon you would suggest that sun rises in the west, moon has it own light and gandhi was killed by muslims." you mean like what your quran (peace be unto it!) says? that the Sun goes around the earth, Earth is flat and is pegged by the mountains and all those lovely scientific pearls? I can come up with a highly comical claim, if you could care to listen. "Muslims are peaceful humans" HAHAHAHHAHHHH HOOOOOOOOOOO, lovely joke aint it? Every word of it is a real big slapstick comedy! It's soon gonna be nominated 'The best joke of all times'! |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 488 of 536 ) And it is highly flattering that you pay the customary respects by typing sanghi in upper cases. Totally flattered. Hope your master maulana qutub whatever fucker, does not know that you are skipping your madrassa and engaging in discussions with a kafir. If he does, you got your arse flattened for a week! |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 489 of 536 ) "you are also suggesting that VHP had no role in gujarat riots" you mentally retarded pig, in a civilised non-islamic society like India, PROOF is required before framing charges on anybody. Where is the proof? Why don't the fucking pseudo secularists file litigations in a court of law, if they think that VHP is behind the riots? Resorting to gutter fight in the 3M (mullah, marxist, missionary) funded and monopolised media will only make their ugly faces look more funny when they cry out loud and beat each others' breasts and butts after BJP wins with more vehemence. And your desert infested pea brain must learn to accept that I have every right to take my stand on issues just as you have every right to have yours (however insignificant that might be!). It is called 'freedom of speech', something that is abhorred by your sharia. And you must also know (much to your bewilderment and shock) that India is not ruled by Sharia laws (at least not yet!). So, shut your big camel mouth and don't advise others who take a stand opposite to yours. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 490 of 536 ) Is it not funny that the pseudo secularist cabal (a.k.a 3M axis) went to file a case against Modi in the International Court of Justice (that fell flat on their face - plunk!), but have not filed a single simple PIL (public interest litigation, it is called) in a court in India against VHP and Modi? Why don't you bums do it, when you are so royally confident that VHP is behind the riots? Is is becoz you bums don't trust the courts of law in India? And if so, why are you bums beating your fat breasts and braying out loud to VHP to accept a YET TO BE DELIVERED supreme court verdict on Ayodhya? |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 491 of 536 ) yagacho: "there is not even clean drinking water availble to majority of indians and YOU HAVE THE BRAINS TO SAY THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. " Brainless shitheads like you must try to maintain some focus. India has a hundred problems, and we are currently talking about jihadi terrorism, which is the prime reason for rampant fear among non muslim civilians. So, try to maintain some focus, you stupid shit. I know it is a lot easier for you to talk about lack of drinking water. Open a separate thread about it if you want. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 492 of 536 ) yagacho: ":you are also suggesting that VHP had no role in gujarat riots" Thugs belonging to Congress, VHP, and other groups were responsible for the riots, based on media reports. So, as vikram said, there is NO EVIDENCE of state complicity in the post-godhra violence. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 493 of 536 ) Yagacho, You pigfucked mullah. Re 482, If the Saghis have done what a reptile like you alleges, they should be proud of themselves. The spontaneous Gujrat reaction to one of the worst terrorist attacks in the history of mankind i.e. the Godhra train outrage should be a sample of things to come for Jehadi thugs in the future. Talking about hatred, most of us now know the Koran well. For a halfwit like you I recommend you go and circumcise you mother and numerous sisters. They will gratify you by licking your unclean,fistula infected asshole. They would have gladaly blown you up but you lack the equipment, a pig ate what little was there as you bent over, your abujan the hog says. How much do your sisters charge for a blowjob, about two rupees ? |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 494 of 536 ) Yagacho, My dogs have great stamina,can I send them to your sisters.They will greatly improve your gutter class convert breed. The service is free, but I cannot force Badya and Pilya on your filthy sisters, I am sorry.They are proud dogs and despise pigs. Like the rest of the terrorist, hatefilled community are your mother,sisters, daughters etc. perpetually pregnant? |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 495 of 536 ) Vikram, Re 485, both Badya and Pilya declined to improve Yagacho's breed and did not even urinate on his begging sisters. They say they cannot sink this low.Dogs have class you see. And unlike this breed, dogs do not bite the hand that feeds them. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 496 of 536 ) By the way, sinbad, karapall, vikram99, how much are you guys paid for these posts (or is it just one dumbass with separate id's)? it is quiet interesing that SANGHIS are not even willing to accept that their fascist organisations (VHP/Bajrang Dal/RSS...) had any role in gujarat riots. I guess it is just SANGHI indoctrination that they cant see glaring truth. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 497 of 536 ) By the way, sinbad, karapall, vikram99, how much are you guys paid for these posts (or is it just one dumbass with separate id's)? it is quiet interesing that SANGHIS are not even willing to accept that their fascist organisations (VHP/Bajrang Dal/RSS...) had any role in gujarat riots. I guess it is just SANGHI indoctrination that they cant see glaring truth. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 498 of 536 ) By the way, sinbad, karapall, vikram99, how much are you guys paid for these posts (or is it just one dumbass with separate id's)? it is quiet interesing that SANGHIS are not even willing to accept that their fascist organisations (VHP/Bajrang Dal/RSS...) had any role in gujarat riots. I guess it is just SANGHI indoctrination that they cant see glaring truth. |
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sb 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 499 of 536 ) pity me Hindus are treatend by Jehadis, so let go and kill innocent people.this scare tactis was also used by Nazis ,look what happend to them.this was also tried in Yugoslavia, Milsovich is being tried and will spend his life behind bars,and he turned Yugoslavia into a mess. VHP has the same agenda to fool Indians, detroy India and collect millions in the name of religion. India neeeds to wake up and get out of hate politics. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 500 of 536 ) Indians wake up, Listen your nation's welfare depends only on one thing. Appease, coddle,pamper the minorities. In the interest of communal harmony, let them carry out terrorist attacks, let them carry out seperatist insurgencies whereever they have numbers in their favor, let them kill Yatris, let them destroy your temples. Keep on lying hat their utterly inferior and base philosophies are better than yours. Shout from housetops that ours is a composite culture, never mention that this was forced down your gullet by centuries of bestial rule by Sultans and Moguls. Shout over and over again that the Sultans and Moguls were benign and had nothing but your interests in mind wwhen they destroyed tens of thousands of your temples, forcibly converted the gutter classes in their millions, and buthchered the brave souls who resisted. Because you must prosper with the gutter, where will you shit otherwise. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 501 of 536 ) And remeber all you Hindus, Any manifestation of pride and self respect will mean that India will be destroyed. Only the Jammat Islamias and the Vatican can protect your interests, so submit to Allah, all of you.Then you will prosper like Bangla Desh. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 502 of 536 ) And finally, had the barbarians not done what they did, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW WHO THE GUTTER CLASSES ARE. NOW YOU KNOW CLAERLY. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 503 of 536 ) mmm, i see that yagacho, a allah damn muslim hiding behind a buddhist name (ensures safety nowadays worldwide you see - just as his pakistani UMMA in USA call themselves as Indians for escaping detention and deportation by INS!) is now resorting to spamming, after having run out of english words to type. Not that he ever typed any worthy stuff so far, but spamming is sure an act of desparation. And true to his desert ilk, he is now coming up with conspiracy theories! 3 people having the same ID and abusing a peaceful momin and typical camel shit. Exclusivist logic - 3 people say the same thing, so the three must be one! yagacho - try pigacho (sorta sounds like pinocchio). |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 504 of 536 ) abey yagacho, O suvar ki aulad, kisiko fascist kehna ho to 'proof' mangat hai. hey tumhare paas? you fuckin third grade bastard, you just cannot get away by mouthing words that you dont even understand (or ever will for several yugas together) without understanding what it means and fulfilling its requirements. For all your blabbering here, you have not provided one iota of evidence here. ONE. And do something else if you got time after your madrassa - instead of wasting the time of human beings here. Why don't you try aiming some marbles into your maulana qutub uddin fucker's arsehole? |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 505 of 536 ) yagacho: "it is quiet interesing that SANGHIS are not even willing to accept that their fascist organisations " that is your opinion, you stupid piece of shit. Dont you even have the brains to differentiate between your prejudices and reality?? I bet communist shitheads like you believe all the crap that was brainwashed into your sorry skulls at the local CPI brainwashing session. You are a pathetic piece of human garbage who is beneath contempt. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 506 of 536 ) sinbad: I find your use of the term "gutter classes" extremely weird, given that you seem to think that you are fighting for the cause of hindus. These so-called "lower-class" hindus are no different from the "upper-class" hindus, and we all know that by now. So DO NOT TRY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN CLASSES AND CASTES IN HINDUISM. If you do, the communists will use your own rhetoric to screw your image. Remember that the communist cocksuckers are the masters at dividing hindus in India. With such a hostile attitude towards "lower classes", you hindus will never win the war. Internal cohesion among hindus requires that you try to practice and inclusive and fair kind of hinduism. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 507 of 536 ) VHP's agenda for india's development (as per VHP's own site) 1. Teaching of Bharatiya culture and Dharma will be made compulsory. 2. Drinking and non-vegetarianism will be discouraged by the Government. 3. Mother tongue will invariably be the medium of primary education. http://www.vhp.org/englishsite/f .Hindu_Agenda/HinduAgenda_E.htm This agenda is nothing but talibanisation of india and this hindu taliban should be banned before it does more harm to the nation. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 508 of 536 ) VHP's agenda for india's development (as per VHP's own site) 1.Teaching of Bharatiya culture and Dharma will be made compulsory. 2.Drinking and non-vegetarianism will be discouraged by the Government. 3.Mother tongue will invariably be the medium of primary education. http://www.vhp.org/englishsite/f .Hindu_Agenda/HinduAgenda_E.htm This agenda is nothing but talibanisation of india and this hindu taliban should be banned before it does more harm to the nation. |
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yagacho 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 509 of 536 ) VHP's agenda for india's development (as per VHP's own site) 1.Teaching of Bharatiya culture and Dharma will be made compulsory. 2.Drinking and non-vegetarianism will be discouraged by the Government. 3.Mother tongue will invariably be the medium of primary education. http://www.vhp.org/englishsite/f .Hindu_Agenda/HinduAgenda_E.htm This agenda is nothing but talibanisation of india and this hindu taliban should be banned before it does more harm to the nation. |
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sb 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 510 of 536 ) let us examine VHP'India A neighbour should murder,rape, torch his neighbour. you are inclusive if you belong to high caste,only. Minorities will have no place in India Criminals will be the nations leaders. whatever VHP decrees will be Law. only Hiduism will be allowed. Nazi agenda taliban agenda will be VHP agenda. total ethnic cleansing will be enforced,whether it means total destruction of India so be it. VHP doesnt bode well for India. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 511 of 536 ) sb, care to support your mental masturbations with any links or supportings? or like your bastardly self, your verbal masturbations are nothing but illegitimate outputs from your thoroughly raped butt hole? |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 512 of 536 ) yagacho, you suvar ki bacha DON'T SPAM. Your literary excreta is foul enuf. you don't have to puke the same stuff 3 times. 1. Bharatiya culture does not divide Bharat into land of believers and land of non believers and give a bloody licence to the believers to kill non believers on seeing them or making them dhimmies. 2. While VHP says govt. should 'discourage' drinking (thereby no penal clauses), Islam 'prohibits' drinking and punishes the offender severly. 3. Whether VHP endorses it or not, the fact is that the fucking pseudo secularists have, for the sake of pandering to the locals, made the local language the medium in all primary schools. Get out of your madrassa and travel diff. govt. schools in diff. states to know this fact. Start with TN. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 513 of 536 ) yagacho, you clumsy chooth if 'encouragement' of vegetarianism and non-drinking strikes as 'talibanisation', then go have a cursory look at your holy quran, which says that idol worshippers have to be chopped off. If you say that all dogmatic doctrines ought to be banned, then a cult called Islam no longer exists. It vanishes into thin air pronto. Coz it is nothing but a talibanised cult, from the day of its birth, and not the other way around. And VHP is not even nursery boy stuff in front of your Islamic doctrines that is at a professor level in mafiaic practices. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 514 of 536 ) Pigchod, Now I know why ny dogs declined any interaction with your sisters. You reptiles are beneath them in every respect including looks and intellect, the meaning of loyalty and decency you will not understand. What is wrong with learning Bharatiya Dharma and culture. what is wrong with Punjabi in Punjab, Marathi in Maharashtra and Gujrati in Gujrat as the case may be. Or do you expect us to learn Urdu, you pig molester. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 515 of 536 ) To All, It is so valuable to have worthless scum like this Pigchod on the MB. These slimy snakes object to Indians having any pride in Bharat and Bharatiya Snskriti. They want Composite Culture which means denial of your magnificent heritage, the sublime Vedantic Philosophy, subversion and greenwashing of your history.They want Hindus and Sikhs to become impotent so the Grand Design of Abul Kalam Jehadi could be realized. Hindus wake up to this danger and fight back. |
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saurabh8 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 516 of 536 ) the activities of vhp and its sister organisations will very well come under the definition of terrorism as provided under POTA. so it is possible and also desirable to proscribe this fascist organisation |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 517 of 536 ) saurabhs: "the activities of vhp and its sister organisations will very well come under the definition of terrorism as provided under POTA. " No, it does not. Why dont you point out which part of POTA would make the VHP activities criminal? Fools like you need to understand that POTA is against TERRORISM, not criminal behavior. Jeez, you pseudo-secular shitheads seriously need a brain. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 518 of 536 ) A terrorist commits acts of violence with the intent of harming the state. A terrorist is not defined as someone you disagree with, you brainless shithead saurabh. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 519 of 536 ) saurabh, the wannabe biju mathew "the activities of vhp and its sister organisations will very well come under the definition of terrorism as provided under POTA." Unfortunately for you, your puked self is not yet appointed the Attorney General of India. They don't appoint donkeys for that post. So, you are disqualified. While on this, care to elucidate what exactly are the 'activities' of VHP that will come under the definition of terrorism under POTA? And if do not care to come up with documentary facts then just cock up and stop puking out stuff from stale CONgress manifestos of Gujarat elections. The only useful purpose that these manifestos serve is that it fills up the tummy of donkeys. Now don't be an ass by depriving those donkeys of their daily food. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 520 of 536 ) Sharabi you pig molester, May your mother, sisters, wives and daughters be fucked by hogs throughout 2003,dogs are too high on the evolution cycle for morons like you and your gutter class idiot breed. If BJP/VHP were committing terrorist acts, Hindu Indians would be behind bars in the US. The ones enjoying sartorial splendor of orange boiler suits belong to various offshoots of the Jamaat Islamias. Grozny, Moscow, Bali, WTC,Yemen,Al Khobar, can a pig molester like you see a commonality here. I am not talking about Godhra, Coimbtore, Raghunath temple, Akshardham, Indian Parliament attack,Ghatkopar, not to speak of Kashmir. Do you suffer from syphillis, you are showing growing signs of brain damage or are you just a gutter class convert who is congenitally brain defective. |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 521 of 536 ) Sharabi, the progeny of pigs, If you can read, you filthy swine, you will notice that two pig molesters have been arrested for the attempted murder of VHP general secretary in Gujrat. Surely, the BJP should be called terrorist here and the VHP be banned,right you madechod. To ALL, This filthy pigs's ass Sharabi is so fucking stupid that a while ago he was aerguing with the usual braindead cliches that the destruction of Hindu Sikh minorities In Paapiland was not a Hindu Muslim issue but an INTERNATIONAL ISSUE.We were to be only concerned with domestic issues here in India. I spit on this pig raper. |
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Karapall 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 522 of 536 ) "To ALL, This filthy pigs's ass Sharabi is so fucking stupid that a while ago he was aerguing with the usual braindead cliches that the destruction of Hindu Sikh minorities In Paapiland was not a Hindu Muslim issue but an INTERNATIONAL ISSUE." This stupid shit probably wants foreign govts. to solve the islamic terrorist problem in India. Clearly, this two-bit turd is yet to understand the concept of national sovereignity and what happens when a nation loses it. |
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dollar 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 523 of 536 ) **Try this out ** Step one: Get 6 separate pieces of paper, and write the following in each piece of paper “PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST .” Now get six 10.00 Rs note, and place one inside each of the six pieces of paper so the note will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the six envelopes, and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a Rs 10.00 note. What you are doing is creating a service. This is absolutely legal. You are requesting a legitimate service, and you are paying for it! Like most of us, I was a little skeptical, and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all, so I checked it out with the Postal Service, and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Mail the six envelopes to the following addresses: Mailing Adresses 1) Kiran v dhotre,48 park street road 1st block(east) jayanagar,bangalore-11 2) Ameena Farooq : C/o Mohd.. Farooq Post Hoode,Udupi Taluk, Udupi Distrct, Karnataka-576115 3) Fahad Tonse No.17,middle house, church road,Basavanagudi, Bangalore, Karnataka-560004 4) Saabir Saifee 54,Arora Nagar, Devali,Udaipur-313004 5) Vijay Sheth,23, Natasha,Off D.P.Road , Aundh,Pune 411007,Maharashtra 6) Junaid F.T,336,10th cross,Mahalaxmi layout,Bangalore INDIA-560086 Step 2: Now take the number one name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, etc…) and add YOUR name as # 6 on the list. Step 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to the original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 250 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups.) all you need is 250, but remember, the more your post, the more money you make! Keep a copy of these steps for yourself, and whenever you need more money, you can use it again and again.PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by them carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it this way, if you are of integrity, the program will continue, and the money that so many other have received will come your way too.DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS STEP 1: You do not need to re-type this letter to your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select “COPY” from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computers memory. STEP 2: open a blank “NOTEPAD” file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the edit menu, select “PASTE”. This will place a copy of the letter onto the notepad so that it can add your name into the bottom of the list, and then change the numbers on the list. STEP 3: save your new notepad file as a “txt” file. If you want to do your postings in different settings, you’ll always have this file to go back to. STEP 4: Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try to search for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message board, chat sites, discussions). STEP 5: Visit these message boards, and post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting “PASTE” from the edit menu. Fill in the subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the post message button. You’re done with your first one! Congratulations…. That’s it! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away. After you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! Now the WHY part: Out of 250 postings, say I receive only 5 replies, that 5 persons post to 250 groups and then you get more and more answers (money). REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO PST A MINIMUM OF 250. THAT’S IT! JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSE are correct |
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indtruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 524 of 536 ) Dollars: I think, you can shove those dollars in all shiny piggy ass. Its Legal. I asked Postal Services. They were all excited about this free service. |
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P-sheel 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 525 of 536 ) Most of the activities of the VHP can be classified as terrorist activities. To kill.To riot and arson and intimidate through vandalism. To openly defy the law of the land and the constitution. etc.VHP is a terrorist organisation. It should be banned |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 526 of 536 ) The article written by braindead cocksucker P Chindambaram in the Indian express of January 5th must be read to grasp the malice and stupidity of this mullah fucked imitation of a human being. First gem: terrorism is a secular crime. why then you baapchod ,are all terrorists crimes committed as Jehad and propagated in madrassahs. Second gem: he is painting Golwalkar Guruji and Osama bin Laden by the same brush!!!!!!. Yes, those who teach pride in your culture and speak the truth are the same kind of people as the world's most wanted criminal. (cont) |
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sinbad 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 527 of 536 ) Third gem: " In a country where Hindus are an overwhelming majority, Hindus can never be in danger" As the fuck is busy licking Sonia's dry pussy, he forgets that when Mahmud Ghory came in with the help of treachery, India was 100% Hindu, today about 60% including the whole sub-continent and the renegade provinces. Fourth gem: Demand for restoring the three temples is PROVOCATIVE.Now the creep is moving to Sonia's asshole with glee. The acts of destruction and desecration are a provocation not restoration which is corrective and JUST. |
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P-sheel 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 528 of 536 ) All terrorist crimes are not committed as Jehad. some are committed in the name of Hindutva. Surprising that Osama also preaches pride in his culture and way of life and also claims to speak the truth like Golwalkar. Hindus are in danger from the madmen within as much as from jehadi forces. Demand for the temples is extremely friendly and amicable and consensual? if these demands are not provocative then what excatly are they? |
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P-sheel 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 529 of 536 ) Blatantly violating the law of the land is just, if it is restoration ? Who decides justice ? who determines the correctness of restoration ? On what basis ? |
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P-sheel 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 530 of 536 ) Osama actually believes that he has the whole ownership of the truth. Just like Golwalkar ? Osama teaches pride in his culture and way of life. However barbaric that way of life. He is today an icon for jehadis. Any different from Golwalkar and his followers today ? Can't help observe the similarities. |
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indtruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 531 of 536 ) http://stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News /263AD85EB409BD2786256CA40076DBA4?OpenDocument&Hea dline=Nuns+as+sexual+victims+get+little+notice How cristian are molesting their nun/sister who sacrifice their life to serve people by their Fathers. Congress , COMMUNIST and converted pervert wants to replicate this incestuos relationship in India. This perverted relationship is been patented by christian since long time. In China, Chritian Father used to sleep with the newly wed wife on her first night. Such was the Christian activities that irreligious communism took place to throw foreign implants from their countries and correct local perverts. |
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indtruth 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 532 of 536 ) Congress anti-Hindu efforts will not succeed. Devil's advocate Sonia now govern irreligiuos party and supports anti god parties. If countries is given to such evil then India will be another banana republic. Hindus were given strong dose of tranquilizer when India got independence. Now Hindus are realizing what they have lost and how their culture has been raped and molested by congress and communist. How India was made more Anti-Hindu and Hindu term was being assosiated with Si n. How minorities were ruling nation and Hindus were being divided into smaller groups by these evil forces. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 533 of 536 ) "Osama actually believes that he has the whole ownership of the truth. Just like Golwalkar ?" Every christian missionary believes that christianity has been granted the exclusive franchise over truth by God. Just like Osama? Every mad mullah shouting his throat out in the mosque believes that he holds the sole and exclusive license to truth. Just like osama? All pseudo secular mother fucker and the commies shout that they and only they know the whole truth. Just like Osama? Imbecile, a look into the mirror will solve 99% of the world's problems. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 534 of 536 ) P-sheel, the new pinko around here Pride in one's culture is not bad per se. It is a requisite for achievement. It is not 'exclusivist'. Learn to differentiate between 'pride' and 'exclusivism'. What christian missionaries and the islamic terrorists indulge in is 'exclusivism'. That means 'Only me and nothing else'. This is 'Offense'. this is the 'Cause'. What the sanghis indulge in is 'cultural pride'. It means 'We are in no way inferior to you'. This is 'defence'. This is the 'effect'. Like a typical secular bum, don't do a masala mix of cause and effect and apportion all the blame on those whose actions only reflect the logical effect of the exclusivist offence by your friendly mullahs and missionaries and their cock suckers. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 535 of 536 ) "All terrorist crimes are not committed as Jehad. some are committed in the name of Hindutva." Care to prove this, you cloned pig? Newswpaper clippings of our pseudo secular mother fucking media will be thrown out of the courts in 1 minute, if you want to consider these literary abortions as 'proof'. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 536 of 536 ) Hindus are in danger from and ONLY from the christian missionaries, mullahs, commies and marxists, indian media, CONgress and all other brain dead pseudo secular mother fuckers. period. Trying to cry hoarse that the 'fanatical' elements are endangering hindus is a typical marxist ploy of trying to shift their crimes on to the one that is solely indulging in a defensive act. Fat chance, you pinko choots will succeed any longer. |
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vikram99 6/25/2002 9:06:50 PM ( 537 of 536 ) And coming to the demand for Ram Temple, it would do better if you go read the history of legal battles over this temple. The struggle for the Ayodya temple has been continuing since the 15th century. And the legal case has been pending in court since pre-independence times. Go have a detailed study of all this before you come here and puke out your nonsensical commie propoganda. Or like a typical pseudo secular shithead you do not prefer undertaking the onerous task of engaging in an 'intellectual' activity and find it more convenient to pick off sentences from a marxist bastard like harkishen surjeet (co-father of Khalistani separatism) and his illegitimate son sitaram yechury? |
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