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The Terror Cycle
Free Speech Host     9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM
Reality is worse than any Hollywood blockbuster or a doomsday thriller. And as was bound to happen, the cry for reprisals and revenge are assuming a deafening roar against an unknown enemy. The needle of suspicion at Osama bin Laden and Islamic fundamentalist organisation is predictable. Whodunit? Who would pay the price? The possibilities and consequences are chillingly scary. Your take on what ought to be done...
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Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 1 of 510 )
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whodunit? and eemriikkaa could retaliate with the nukes... what if imrreeka nuke AfgHaanistaaN, if Osama behind it...???!!!!!!!!!

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 2 of 510 )
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tathagat abhors violence... and have said enuff on these pages... The chosen people of god... however love it... Barak on Beeb, kissenger from Germany, Shimon Peres, the phorain minister on Rupert's Phox... suggesting the other side... their enemy responsible for it... equaling it to Pearl Harbor... suggesting indirectly 2 annihilate them ASAP... may be these Brahmins of the western hemisphere did it to set the 'crusaders' v/s the 'Jehaadi'... so that they kill each other n u live ur mahaajani ways... who knows?

may be it's the Durban declaration fallout... walking out of that was easy... walking into this is difficult... all those pilots turn out be2blacks... its a probability... (last time round, the Oklahoma Bombing they suspected 'muslim' terrorist... they proved wrong) since we know how they are treated and beaten up black n blue in broad daylight... in full public view... all US prisons full of blacks... more than 70%...

prof. Pushpesh Pant has been a delighting insight... he is the best there is... he speak so much Sanskrit though... i am afraid both jaahil angrezdaaN, as well as bandarbhaashies wouldn't get it... DD1 n PoorieTak had Prem and DD1 had Inder... they are chal chuki kaartooses bhai... tired and thakey huye...

So the hunter is back... but hey Dubya don't be ur moronic self... and don't just dare nuke anybody in a hurry... like ur 'true man'... someone remind tathagat how many died in Hiroshima and Naagasaaki... were Americans outraged then? the way they are now... lets talk of Nepalms and Vietnam...

Pentagon demolished... ur babe in the bunker, u hiding in high high altitudes on A1... u Admn panicky chicken shittin' shit... what an intelligence failure... 20, 000 CIA recruits... 800 just spooky... god knows how many in FBI... even one hour on Pentagon unaware... unguarded... whatever happen to ur NMD chhataa (umbrella)... 1.5 million babies dead in Iraq b'coz of u... isn't that crime against humanity??? book Aadvani for 3000 murders... and Balls Thakray for 900...

ah Bulldozer is on CNN... America's dear partner in freedom... here the Hindutva fanatics would love to ally with yous...


abhishek  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 3 of 510 )
I am deeply shocked by whatever has happened in USA yesterday. Its high time when all the nations stand against the so-called jihadi groups who are bringing disrepute to Islam on the name of 'allah'. The whole world is well aware of the fact that Islamic Terrorism has erupted as the greatest enemy of the mankind. All the concerned parties should get their act together and start working to crackdown on the Muslim extremists. This is the only possible way to fight against the devil. Fighting fire with fire is the only way to get rid of the eveil intentions of the jihadi groups represented by Osama-Bin-Laden.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 4 of 510 )
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The Terrorism Research Center is dedicated to informing the public of the phenomena of terrorism and information warfare. This site features essays and thought pieces on current issues, as well as links to other terrorism documents, research and resources. Navigate the site by clicking on the area of interest.

The Media and Terrorism

Second Hand Terrorism Revisited By Larry Sloan

The concept of second-hand terrorism, as espoused by Pollard and Houghton, is a thought provoking argument. I would assert that this phenomenon is far more prevalent than their article would lead one to believe. Houghton and Pollard refer to "intrusive reportage" as the point of culpability where journalists become "second-hand" terrorists. They assert that "intrusive reportage" occurs when a "reporter ceases passive observation of an incident and becomes part of its dynamic." It can be argued that this point of culpability is irrelevant due to the fact that any reporting of terrorism qualifies as "intrusive reportage". Terrorism is one of the few phenomena for which any media coverage serves to alter the dynamic of the situation.

The Media and Terrorism


tiger  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 5 of 510 )
I am sure the response by US to these horrendous attacks will be unprecedented.Whosoever may have started it but the Americans will finish it.Its the confidence the self belief of Americans. UNLIKE IN INDIA where Thousands of Jawans killed in KARGIL and hundreds of innocent people murdered each day in Kashmir.And the govt Response---A DUMB AND MUTE SPECTATOR. Every time and which is (practically every day)a terrorist attack happens and the govt responses by saying "WE WILL NOT TOLERATE SUCH ACTIONS IN FUTURE". But nothing concrete is done.Why do we INDIANS tolerare and bear such despicable acts every day.

Is INDIA a coward, weak and an impotent country? Do we have the ABILITY and the GUTS to reply back? Will we ever be proactive to defend our INDIA? Will Kashmir Continue to bleed and suffer? Will INDIA ever wake up to these attacks? Will our INDIA ever be united and peaceful?

Hope we find the answers soon and one day INDAINS can be confident as anybody else in the world about their security and territorial integrity.

JAI HIND!

TIGER


Pankaj  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 6 of 510 )
Root cause of terrorism

There should be as widespread a war against terrorism as the war against drugs - hitting at every aspect, and every level of the supply chain. The origin of the supply chain is IDEOLOGY disguised behind religious protection, and that's where it will not be politically easy to point the finger, even though everyone knows the problem. But without addressing this root problem, all else will be temporary and partial at best. The Koran's statements that call for jihad, and those that attack kafirs, should be listed and a demand be made that these be deleted to make an amended Koran that complies with human rights and civilized society. This reformation movement of the Koran will not be easy. But as long as there is religious sanctity, enshrined in a holy book, to hate other religions and to do various things against them, humanity will always be at the mercy of muslim clergy who teach at thousands of madrassas (religious schools) around the world, and who choose which verses to teach and which not to. All efforts will be temporary and partial at best, until this reformation is achieved. Religious organizations that refuse to delete such verses of hate speech should be denied tax-exempt status by the IRS, in the same way as those who refuse to adopt equal employment policies cannot become legitimate in the government's eyes. Countries that have Islam as the official 'state religion', should be de-legitimized if they fail to amend the Koran in accordance with such principles of human rights. In other words, criminal doctrines should not be able to hide behind religious protection.


Pankaj  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 7 of 510 )
US Attacks: India v/s Pakistan Pakistan's history has been to prostitute itself opportunistically, and yet simultaneously betray its own sponsors. It misused the US military aid funneled through it that was meant to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. It cheated the US on its nuclear weapons program assurances. It is still cheating on missiles being received from North Korea and China. It hosts the largest number of jihad training camps in the world. Its lies notwithstanding, US has been reluctant to name it for what it is. Even after the terrorist attacks yesterday, US officials and congressmen name only some other nearby countries as rogues, but have referred to Pakistan as a 'friend' on whom the US must 'put pressure to get cooperation'. The risk is that Pakistan will once again negotiate its way and schmooze its way into the heart of US authorities. It will offer the following: Its territory must be crossed in any counterattack against Afghanistan, for which it will extract a price. As a so-called moderate Islamic state (which must be emphasized as a misconception), it can claim to legitimize the US counterattack in the eyes of the rest of the Islamic world. It can even add troops to such an attack, since it wants to be involved in the future control over Afghanistan. Afghanistan is land-locked, and the US must be planning ways to attack it. Iran is the other country whose territory can be used in such an attack. If Iran refuses or the US is less comfortable with it, Pakistan will once again become center stage in US policy. The US has a history of turning a blind eye to other long term consequences when it pursues intense action on a specific immediate goal. It could end up further playing into Pakistan's hands. India must seek Israeli help in this campaign to educate the western nations on the deeper nature of Pakistan. Perhaps, India must offer ground troops to fight in an invasion of any rogue nation. India must insist that closing ALL jihad training worldwide is a must to be effective, and not only those training camps that are specifically targeted against the US. India must stop relying upon the old emotional (and silly) appeals to being the 'world's oldest civilization and largest democracy' as ways to impress, and must be more practical about the nature of the role it offers. It has to go well beyond mere words of sympathy and cooperation in investigation that Vajpayee has sent so far. India must have a strategy under the assumption that there will be a full-scale US invasion of Afghanistan, in which India cannot afford to let Pakistan come out ahead.

Anis  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 8 of 510 )
No words are strong enough to condemn this vicious and senseless attack on innocent civilians.As we watch in horror and disbelief,I am sure our prayers and thoughts are with those who have lost their loved ones in this dastardly terrorist attack.I hope this proves to be the last straw that will break the back of terrorism.I dont think that America is just going to sit back and mourn the death of thousands of its civilians. Its payback time and those who have planned and perpetrated this crime will have to pay and pay big.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 9 of 510 )
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... before anything is done guys... remember politicians wants to use any such thing for their own political gains... and beside the world media is owned by the jews... before it strikes to revenge... America must disclose all the terrorist groups it supported in the past...

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Media-fueled xenophobia toward Islam The main source for this article is Edward Said's fantastic book Covering Islam (1997, Vintage Books).

American hostility toward Islam is at an all-time high. Generalisations about Islam and Muslims are routinely made in the general media without justification or evidence, by so-called experts. Critiques of these articles by Muslim authors and scholors are simply ignored by a mono-lingual American public. In the eyes of the American public, Islam is synonomous with terrorism and fundamentalism, despite the fact that the true nature of 'fundamentalism' is rarely discussed or defined beyond frequent confirmations of it's existance and supposed power. Middle-east originating terrorism is only sixth highest in the world, yet the Oklahoma bombing was all too readily blamed on Islam before the truth became known that the perpetrators were white neo-nazis. What is the nature of this unjustified xenophobia?

In the New Republic August 13, 1996, Martin Peretz (self-proclaimed 'expert' on islam) writes that Arab countries have no "cultural disposition for scientific and industrial take-off. Alas, these are societies which cannot make a brick, let alone a microchip". This is flagrantly untrue. Muslim scienctists pioneered logic, astronomy, medicine as a science and invented algebra (to name but a few of their many acheivements) while we were wallowing in a god-fearing dark ages - which many christian fundamentalists in America seem to want us to return to. Milton Viorst (In Said, 1997) is quoted as saying: "The traditional Islamic city shows little concern for exterior aesthetics; even now, arabs seem not to notice their streets and cover them with litter". Again, this is a horrendous generalisation about muslims and patently a lie. Islamic architecture is praised the world over for its use of complex geometric designs, its innovative use of ceramics and enamels. Also, Viorst seems to forget what a shithole parts of many western cities are. Look at the streets of London or New York and be appalled. Personally, i have walked around some of the orthodox jewish areas of jerusalem and was amazed at the sheer quantity of household debris left to rot in enormous stinking piles. It displays lack of 'exterior aesthetics' and disregard for simple hygeine, but are we to generalise those traits to the entire jewish community? No.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 10 of 510 )
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Media-fueled xenophobia toward Islam... #2 Edward Said

In the recent Demi Moore vehicle G I Jane, her unit is sent to retrieve weapons-grade plutonium from the Libyian desert. In american hands it has been used for a noble, scientific purpose (as fuel for a satellite - no mention of how america is putting the entire world at risk by firing radioactive materials into space!), but in arab hands, it automatically becomes a threat to freedom and peace. There is no mention of any diplomatic attempts to retreive the material, as arabs are assumed to be beyond rationality. A filthy, sweaty arab (the common portrayal of muslims, despite vast differences in dress, cultural practice, language, industrialisation, etc) has his head blown off with surprisingly little explanation of his particular crime or connection to the plot. He simply represents evil in the mind of the american public. So what purpose does this media-created bogeyman 'Islam' serve?

The american media like to convince the public that islamic countries are not capable of rational thought - as this provides an excuse to blow the crap out of them. Members of the Carter administration sent telegrams that in effect said that the Iranian negotiators in the hostage crisis were irrational - despite the fact that they knew their own people better than any outsider ever could. It is estimated that Islamic Fundamentalists make up less than 5% of the muslim world, yet the media in america put forward a view of muslims as crazy, machine-gun weilding arab nutters with a enormous desire to kill westerners. Hisbollah (who the media in america call terrorists) are a resistance movement fighting the illegal occupation of their country (lebanon) by israel. International law says that a population has the RIGHT to fight an occupying force. The french and norwegian resistance movements during WWII are today seen as heroes, yet hizbollah are only seen as the bad guys.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 11 of 510 )
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Concluding Post # 3 : Media-fueled xenophobia toward Islam : Edward Said

In the Gulf War it could be argued that Saddam Hussain was only protecting iraq's oil interests by occupying kuwait. Kuwait, it has been suggested, was stealing shared oil! The government of america charged in to protect the citizens of kuwait from the 'crazy arab dictator', millions of iraqi citizens died and are still suffering from US/UN imposed sanctions because america buys oil from Q8. During Desert Storm, uranian-tipped bullets were used in their millions (possibly to justify continuation of weapons contracts). These radioactive materials are strewn over the whole of iraq and it is reported by amnesty international that children are being born with serious birth defects. Was Saddam REALLY the bad guy? The thrust of this essay is the belief that the media in america perpetuate the 'spectre' of a malevolent islam in order to cover up the fact that the american government has perpetrated some horrendous crimes against the islamic world. Since the end of the cold war, the media have needed the threat of an evil outside force to draw attention away from in depth analysis by the american public of israeli/american crimes committed in israeli/american interests.

For a list of these crimes, check out Said (1997).

Of course, America is not alone in blameworthiness. My own country, Britain, still languishes in post-colonial belief that the Arab and Asian states and peoples are somehow 'beneath' us. The real battle that america is yet to fight is to avoid falling into a state of splendid isolation such as that which categorised Britain for many years. Ironically, as it grows in strength, America is becoming increasingly isolated and mistrusted internationally. It is time for the american people to take a good look at the effects (good and bad) of their own media and government policy on international perception of America as a state.


RDHPXK  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 12 of 510 )
PAKISTAN and AFGHANISTAN are hotbeds for Terroist activity. USA should flatten the ISLAMIC jihad gene pool for couple of generations.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 13 of 510 )
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A Day of Tragedy for the Wounded Heart of America : David Duke

...Perhaps we have just witnessed the beginning of the economic collapse of the Western World.

All Americans will feel the effects of this dramatic act of war, as will hundreds of millions more across the globe.

For years I have tried to prevent this occurrence.

I have tried to inform my fellow Americans that getting involved in other people's wars would have terrible consequences.

Supplying and sometimes even using guns and tanks and planes and bombs against one side in a foreign war, creates millions of angry enemies against us.

How can we reconcile that the most powerful lobby in the American Congress is in the service of a foreign government?

How can learn the truth when that same powerful, Zionist Lobby dominates the entire media spectrum from newspapers to magazines, television, movies and music?

But, it is not this foreign lobby that ends up suffering.

Nor will suffer the media, which has prodded us into everybody else's fight in the remotest corners of the world. No, they'll just have more disasters to cover; more stories to sell.

No, it is our people, the normal moms and pops, and sons and daughters of America who will suffer. We will pay with our money, our lives, our limbs, our freedoms, our children, our very blood.

Thousands of good Americans suffered today; perhaps millions tomorrow. The Government and Media, who are in service of a supremacist state in the Middle East, rather than the American nation, have made millions across the world despise us.

Those new enemies of the United States will even go to the extreme of sacrificing their own lives to take our lives.

Some of America's enemies did so today. They were so driven, that they immolated themselves as they slaughtered thousands of Americans.

Let us pray for our fellow Americans who died, for their families, and for our country that now reaps the whirlwind.

There is no way to adequately defend ourselves from such suicidal acts of terrorism.

Our masters already plan their war against the terrorism that they themselves inspired, and it will be a war on our most basic freedoms; for in a war, there are no civil rights.

May we also pray, that the American people someday embrace, as they once did, George Washington's Farewell Speech in which he pleaded with Americans not to involve ourselves in "foreign wars."

If we don't break the grip of this Zionist power in our midst, then Americans will come to live in the death, agony, and fear of terrorism that will haunt our children and their children for generations to come. Let this horrific act wake us up.

On this day let us mourn the loss of our brethren.

In the days ahead, let us free ourselves from the foreign powers that dominate us and put our love for our America and our people: first.

Israel, Zionism, and the Racial Double Standard
Truth About Interracial Crime: The Color of Crime Report


Pankit  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 14 of 510 )
PAN

WWII ended only b'cos America dropped the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagashaki.It was only b'cos of that bombs that America is a prosperious nation today,without them America would have been a different country today.So what I mean to say is to gain something even if u have to lose something massive(the lives of innocents in case of Hiroshima),u should be ready for that sacrifice. To make these world free of terrorists,to make India,to make America and other countries a safer place,there is only 1(note these only 1) alternative and that is to drop nuclear bomb,not 1 but 4-1 each on Afganishtan,Pakistan,Iraq and Palestine.Only then would these world and my and your life would be safer,our children would be safe.So achieve all these,we have to sacrifice innocent lives of those countries.


kamal  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 15 of 510 )
Terrorits are mostly poor and illitrate people. They do not know consequences of their act. In order to avoid terrorism in the future, those people/country needs to be uplifted in terms of education and economy. Definitely, this will not be counter productive as many may think. Terrorism is developed because of anger. Anger is due to insults and repression. This is gross root solution to terrorism. There is popular song in south indian language, "theft can be vanished only by the change of attitude of theif not by law or any other thing", similarly terrorism.

pradipta  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 16 of 510 )
It is surprising that an attack on American targets suddenly takes a dimension of an "attack on humanity and the entire democratic world". A similar attack was carried out on Mumbai and USA turned a blind eye as the perpetrators of the crime led a lulifeof luxury under state protection in Pakistan. As Musharaff's "freedom fighters" funded by narcotics money and trained in the nurseries of terrorism in Pakistan, by the pakistani army and Its intelligence organisation killed thousands of innocent men , women and children in kashmir USA watched in deafening silence. Nothing much has changed since then, only America is seeing the fruitition of an activity whose seeds were laid long back in countries like Pakistan. It would make for excellent television viewing to take off on a reckless, irresponsible and trigger happy trip. But it would take a lot of mature, long term strategic planning and vision to nip terrorism at the bud. Is America capable of it?

pradipta chatterjee Pune, India


maulana  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 17 of 510 )
Attack on US may be a shock for many but where were they when US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki just to show that he is the BOSS?Where were they when US Army killed 1.5 Vietnam people just because they were not ready to accept its capitalistic policies? Where were they when US killed millions of old people and small kids of Iraq by not letting them avail life saving drugs? Do you know that 12% of the blacks are behind bars in US at any given point of time and of every 4 people getting capital punishment, 3 are blacks in US? This is Amnesty International's report which is very much American. Do you know that US is the biggest merchant of arms in the world with almost 26% of total trade? Do you know from where did the Mujahideen got all those Stingers,SAMs and RDX? Who fanned the fanatism in Afghanistan in order to settle scores with USSR? Do you know who killed various international leaders like Patrice Lumumba, Che Guevara etc? Today US has today landed into the death trap of terrorism it had planned for others. This is a warning to Pakistan and all other countries which are supporting terrorism in the world. Its a menace that would soon get out of your control and then it will turn on you. India's full sympathy are with the people of US. We have also lost some of our best brains in this carnage but remember the policy of an eye for an eye would only lead us to a world of blind. Lets fight terrorism and wipe it out from the face of this planet but lets not target innocent people as a measure of counter violence.

Anis  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 18 of 510 )
Attack on US may be a shock for many but where were they when US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki just to show that he is the BOSS?Where were they when US Army killed 1.5 Vietnam people just because they were not ready to accept its capitalistic policies? Where were they when US killed millions of old people and small kids of Iraq by not letting them avail life saving drugs? Do you know that 12% of the blacks are behind bars in US at any given point of time and of every 4 people getting capital punishment, 3 are blacks in US? This is Amnesty International's report which is very much American. Do you know that US is the biggest merchant of arms in the world with almost 26% of total trade? Do you know from where did the Mujahideen got all those Stingers,SAMs and RDX? Who fanned the fanatism in Afghanistan in order to settle scores with USSR? Do you know who killed various international leaders like Patrice Lumumba, Che Guevara etc? Today US has today landed into the death trap of terrorism it had planned for others. This is a warning to Pakistan and all other countries which are supporting terrorism in the world. Its a menace that would soon get out of your control and then it will turn on you. India's full sympathy are with the people of US. We have also lost some of our best brains in this carnage but remember the policy of an eye for an eye would only lead us to a world of blind. Lets fight terrorism and wipe it out from the face of this planet but lets not target innocent people as a measure of counter violence.

Anis  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 19 of 510 )
There are no two opininons about the fact that what happened in New york and Washington was a barabaric act of terrorism which cannot be justified much less gloated over(as is unfortunately being done in certain parts).At the same time time I think the US must own responsibilty for breeding and nurturing these same fanatics.It is an open secret that the US(CIA) has funded,armed and trained terrorist groups in all parts of the world(Latin America, Africa, Afghanistan etc).It never cared about the mayhem caused by these groups as long as it suited their national interests.Now that the chicken have come to roost and they are feeling the heat, it all becomes a "crime against civilisation and humanity".It is time that the US discloses all the terrorist groups it has supported,the bombings and assasinations it has authorised,the "collateral damage" that it has rationalized and admit before the world that it has made a huge mistake. We have suffered the Bombay blasts,bombs planted in trains and innumerable terrorist attacks.We have cried hoarse about the obvious state sponsored terrorism being waged against our country, but did the US ever take action apart from some useless lip service? It should have declared Pakistan a terrorist state but it continues to consider it as its ally.I hope this will shake the US off its delusion and deal with its Frankenstein of fanaticism that it has helped create with an iron hand.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 20 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
What the Middle East papers say: Brian Whitaker, The Guardian Middle East editor

TIME Exclusive: Inside the Plot

HOLIER THAN THOU, Islam and the religious ego, By Asghar Ali Engineer

Muslims world over say US had it coming Indian Express.

International Response

Are we seeing the start of a new style of warfare? By SHUNJI TAOKA The Asahi Shimbun

LA Times: America Attacked: Graphics : Tenants of World Trade Center (Adobe Acrobat PDF files)


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 21 of 510 )
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Here's an article by the Jewish media personality Ben Stein which fully admits Jews run and control Hollywood.

Stein in effect concludes "it really doesn't matter" if Jews control the media because the result of Jewish media control would be no different than media controlled by anyone else, so we really shouldn't be too concerned. Yet without a doubt, Mr. Stein would certainly change his tune if the media was owned Arabs or "White extremists."

Media Watch As U.S. Media Ownership Shrinks, Who Covers Islam? By Richard H. Curtiss

Who Rules America?

News Magazines: The story is pretty much the same for other media as it is for television, radio, films, music, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only three of any importance published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report.

Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a subsidiary of Time Warner Communications, the new media conglomerate formed by the 1989 merger of Time, Inc., with Warner Communications. The CEO of Time Warner Communications, as mentioned above, is Gerald Levin, a Jew.

Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Company, under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.1 million.

U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.2 million, is owned and published by the aforementioned Mortimer B. Zuckerman, who also has taken the position of editor-in-chief of the magazine for himself. Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly and New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the country.


kkn  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 22 of 510 )
Hello All, My deepest sympathies to the people who lost their Kith and Kin the recent incidents. But what is striking me the most is arrogance of the US. No doubdt the US feels terribly angry about this and is contemplating a retaliation. They call this as an act of war, but when India was actually thrusted a war on it, the same US wanted India and Pakistan to "Talk", if the US has the right to defend its territory then any other soverign nation has the same right, who are the US at that time to advice us to "talk" ? so the US doesnt seem to have a balanced view of things, when it comes to themselves it is outright revenge, but for others it is moderation, "talks", UN securty council and all those kinds of bullshit.

The entire world is now supporting the US, so what we learn is "POWER" is the keyword, our own so called Intelligentia who oppose our nuclearization/missiles wont deter pakistan from trying another Kargil or Afghanistan saying "please dont bomb us and put to hardship our already impoverished people", we want power whether that comes through money, missiles or nuclear bombs... and using them with responsibilty.

The next thing is the weakness of our politicians, we want a strong leader, who is responsible to the mankind yet an extremist when it comes to external aggression.

Lets all pray for such a leader. Jai Hind.


every  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 23 of 510 )
Well said KKN . I support your view . I deeply sympathise with all the people killed /injured in the recent attack . May God bless their souls and their families . Yes KKN , the KASHMIR problem is an internal issue . It is India who is suffering in KASHMIR for so many years . India will settle the score . None else's opinion should be important for us . The terrorists who has driven out lakhs of hindus from kashmir , who has massacred lakhs of hindus must be delt with an iron hand , and for God's sake no talk with the satans . The terrorists must be killed so that they can travel to heaven or hell . The world is certainly not a place for these people and their supporters . Pakistan was India's enemy no. 1 and it will remain so . India should try every mean to punish the Pakistanis and Pakistan for their cross-border terrorism . .....I will support USA if it take any millitary action against Afganistan or any other rogue states . They have committed enough crime , It is high time to punish them brutally .

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 24 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
dialogue - a proposal The full text of the very influential paper by David Bohm, Donald Factor and Peter Garrett

"When humans will not radically change themselves, perform a fundamental change in themselves - not with god or prayers, all this stuff is too immature, too infantile - then we will destroy ourselves.

NOW a revolution in the psyche is possible, not thousand years later. We are living for thousands of years, and we are still barbarians. So if we don't change ourselves now, we will still be barbarians tomorrow or in thousands of tomorrows. When I don't stop war today, I will go to war tomorrow. Expressed simply: The future is now."

"There is the army, within its own walls of self interest; and the businessman enclosed within steel and glass; and the housewife pottering about the house waiting for her husband and her children. There is the museaum keeper, and the orchestra conductor, each living within a fragment of life, each fragment becoming extra ordinarily important, unrelated in contradiction to other fragments, having its own honours, its own social dignity, its own prophets. The religious fragment is unrelated to the factory, and factory to the artist; the general is unrelated to the soldiers, as the priest to the layman. Sociaty is made up of these fragments, and the do-gooder and reformer are trying to patch up the broken pieces. But through these sepretive, broken, specialized parts, the human being carries on with his anxieties, guilt and apprehensions. in that we are all related, not in our specialzed fields.

In the common greed, hate and aggression, human beings are related and this violence builds the culture, the society in wich we live. It si the mind and the heart that divide god and hate, love and violence - and in this duality the whole culture of man expands and contracts.

The unity of man does not lie in any of the structures which the human mind has invented. Cooperation is not the nature of the intellect. Between love and hate can be no unity, and yet it is what the mind always trying to find and establish. Unity lies totally outside this field, and thought can not reach it.

thought has constructed this culture of aggression, competition and war, and yet this very thought is groping after order and peace. But thought will never find order and peace, do what it will. Thought must be silent for the love to be." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 25 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
American Atomic-Genocide of the People of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, August, 1945

www.antiwar.com

Why The U.S.A. Dropped The A-Bomb on Japan by Michael W. Stowell [2-27-2001]


maulana  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 26 of 510 )
The terror unleashed in US is an eyeopener for the whole world.Unfortunately, we the Indians, are very tolerant and very poor in learning lessons from the history. Ours is a reactionery attitude for every incident that has shaken us in the past.Every day so many of our compatriots are being butchered by the fanatics who have brought shame to one of the greatest religions of the world, namely the Islam. It is because of them that today the very name of Islam is being associated with the cowardice of terrorism.But we refuse to open our eyes to all this. We have become so insensitive that we simply shrug off the number of people being killed. What are we waiting for? To let this fire reach our houses? Or to let the situation go out of our hands? Cant we adopt a more proactive attitude and extinguish the fire early. Why do we have to wait for so long before taking any small action?

fire  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 27 of 510 )
Come on INDIA wake up wake up!!!Its time at least we ar something in south asia.We all know Bin Laden is sponsoring militant groups in kashmir.It is time now atleast we show some guts by sending some strong friendly signals to US and get prepared to war.We as a power in south asia have to participate in the attack as one of the sufferers of terrorisim.Leave the do not touch me foreign policy.At least we will be recognised now.

umashiv  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 28 of 510 )
Terrorism has been there since long. Only some handful of nations have been untouched by this menace. In south asian countries, India and Sri Lanka have been the worst sufferrers. Why China, Myanmar, Japan etc are not affected by it? The absence of religious fanatics may be one of the reason. To effectively root out terrorism acts, is to pay back in the same coin. A counter terrorist activity only can terrorise those terrorists organisations. Waging wars and killing innocent people through it cannot be justified.

matta  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 29 of 510 )
This is a good oppurtunity for us to team up with US and finish off Afghanistan and Pakistan - and China for good measure!

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 30 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
breaking news... Pravda.RU:Main:More in detail:

RUSSIAN SECRET SERVICES: MASTERMINDS OF ATTACKS ON U.S. SAME AS THOSE OF MOSCOW AND VOLGODONSK BLASTS 2 YEARS AGO

Experts of Russia’ Federal Security Service voiced today their version of who may be behind the terrorist attacks on the USA. In their view, it may have been the fundamental Islamic organization "Jamaat Islamia." The experts are sure that the "Jamaat Islamia" commands vast financial resources sufficient for preparation and perpetration of large-scale and well-coordinated acts of terrorism in any part of the globe, according to the RIA Novosti news agency. The headquarters of this radical group is located in Afghanistan. It also has branches in UAE, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

The experts also say that it was this group that, in all likelihood, had masterminded and "sponsored" the explosions that demolished residential blocks in Moscow and the town of Volgodonsk (southern Russia) two years ago. Comparing details of the terrorist attacks in Moscow and the USA, FSB experts pointed out that the terrorists in both cases attempted to intimidate the state and population to achieve their political goals. Initially, the idea of perpetrating such acts from the air was voiced in 1996 by Movladi Udugov, the Vakhabist ideologist in Chechnya. He, in public, threatened Moscow that Chechen separatists would use a civilian airliner with komikazes onboard and direct it to the Kremlin. As for exploding residential buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk, it has been found that those terrorist acts were organized by Vakhabite Achimez Gochiyayev guided by Arab terrorists Hattab and Abu Umar. Arab mercenary Abu Umar has been eliminated by federal forces in Chechnya. Gochiyayev is believed to still hiding in the Pankiss Gorge in the Republic of Georgia.

MASTERMINDS OF ATTACKS ON U.S. SAME AS THOSE OF MOSCOW AND VOLGODONSK BLASTS 2 YEARS AGO

17th Century poem by Saib-e-Tabrizi 'Kabul' (Qaabuul)

Afghanistan: The Facts


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 31 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
CIA World Fact Book AfgHaanistaan

Worse to Come, By William Raspberry, Saturday, September 15, 2001; Washington Post

Anatomy Of a Failure, By Richard Cohen WP Saturday, September 15

Why Was There No Warning? WP Editorial, Saturday, September 15

...warmonger republican, satta ke nashe meiN chuur... Buddha's first noble truth was that there is 'dukhkha' ...tathagat's ...there is 'moorchha'... barsaat shruu ho gayi aur chhataa(NMD) nahiN khula... may be a dozen secret services mocked and ridiculed dubya's NMD plans... StarWars...

Anguttara Nikaya II.29 Vijja-bhagiya Sutta A Share in Clear Knowing Translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

"These two qualities have a share in clear knowing. Which two? Tranquillity (samatha) & insight (vipassana). "When tranquillity is developed, what purpose does it serve? The mind is developed. And when the mind is developed, what purpose does it serve? Passion is abandoned.

"When insight is developed, what purpose does it serve? Discernment is developed. And when discernment is developed, what purpose does it serve? Ignorance is abandoned."

Theravada Text Archives in Zipped files

God, Science, and Delusion: A Chat With Arthur C. Clarke

Socrates Meets Jesus


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 32 of 510 )
From Dr. M.Banerjee

I feel extremely sorry and hurt for the extreme loss of innocent lives in Washington and New York. Similar loss of lives from terrorist attacks have been a part of Indian way of life with neighbours of our country viz. Pakistan and even Bangladesh giving support and shelter to the terrorists. India has long being crying hoarse regarding these aspects in a large number of International fora - but nobody paid any heed to them. At present all the actions seem to start when the fire has reached the West's own backyard. Even then I hope a definite resolve be reached, the criminals punished and fyrther such events be prevented from happening again - only to benefit mankind. May all souls who have departed from this world because of acts of terrorism rest in peace.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 33 of 510 )
From Rajendra

Let the ball roll. Things have gone a little too far.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 34 of 510 )
From Sanjeev

Dear Sir This only shows one thing. Might is Right. Forget about Americans, Indians look down about themselves. Life is too cheap in India but in US, it's expensive. This might be hard to swallow but's that's the fact. Forget about nation, even on personal level, Rich and famous people are given prominent hearing than ordinary citizens. Why US is talking to Pakistan? Well this serves them better now. What India thinks does not matter to them now that is India's problem. India is not in a position to say to US, Are you with us? The only way it can do is when it is strong, militaraly and economically. We are too obsed with Pakistan.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 35 of 510 )
From Pankaj

Isn't This Duplicity?

Is it really bewildering to read this article full of hypocrisy, ignorance and uncalled for offence against USA. Mr Tushar, do you know about the consequence of declaring a country a terrorist state. I will tell you. The nation who declares a particular nation, a terrorist state has to break up all ties with that nation, economic, political and diplomatic. Tell me one thing that India did regarding pakistan Did we break up all the ties with Pakstan. Such a hypocrisy. If you really want Pakistan to be declared a terrorist state, take the first step, break all the ties, call our ambassadors who are beaten up at a regular basis then go to US and beg them to do the same. And stop ranting about indians, pakis having same culture, same music etc etc. It makes me feel sick.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 36 of 510 )
From Sunil Bhadekar

Isn't This Duplicity? This is such a slavish article. Has India ever mounted any retaliatory strikes against Pakistan even after all the evidence that Mr. Tushar Gandhi mentions in his article? India is supposedly a sovereign country. If it has the evidence, it should go ahead and bomb the terrorist training camps. Begging to declare Pakistan a terrorist state is like paying allegiance to the United States. Can't we do something on our own? Israel does, everyday. Indians, an emotional people, have to understand that the US will always act in its own self-interest. At this moment, it wants Bin Laden, and it will do all that is necessary to get him. Pakistan, being a neighbor of Afghanistan, is an obvious choice. It really does not care a damn about Indo-Pak squabbles. Why can't we get that into our emotional heads and think logically for once?


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 37 of 510 )
From Gyan Dutt Pandey

Isn't This Duplicity?

Sir, why do you expect USA to fight your war against terrorism? You fight yours and they fight theirs.If there is some commanality, thanks god for that. In any case look at the different voices in our all party meeting called by PM!If we are governed by petty party politics internally, how do we expect USA to be with us!

Gyan Dutt Pandey


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 38 of 510 )
From P.Chandrasekharan

Nothing Good Comes From Terror

It is high time that India takes the necessary steps to stop terrorism on its soil. a golden opportunity is now available to it to close all madrasas near the nepal border and similar instituions throughout the country. if necessary the ayodhya temple should be constructed be it only to tell the muslims to behave and stop supporting Pakistan and islamist fundamentalists.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 39 of 510 )
From LALIT MOHAN RATH

Isn't This Duplicity?

I fully agree with Tushar Gandhi. It is not only his way of thinking, all Indians should think it deeply and raise their voice now when Pakistan says it will support USA to fight against terrorists and they themselves are causing all sort of terrorist acts all over India and calling it jehad. At this particular time the politicians of India should combine to save Mother India and peace loving India from the so called jehadi groups.


Prem  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 40 of 510 )
Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra.
A (White Australian Female) Teacher is sitting sobbing.

A (White Australian Female) Student approaches: "Why are you crying?"

Teacher: Because so many Americans have died.

Student: I have never seen you crying for the boat people, the Afhganis, the Palestinians.

Teacher: But the Americans are like us.

Student: Like us? In what way? Because they speak English or because they have white skin? Well, Indians speak English too, and many Lebanese are very white.

Teacher: I think you are a socialist


thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 41 of 510 )

I deeply sympathise with USA people for the recent attack they have been subjected too . We should support USA for its proposed military action against the satans and the enemies of civilisation . But What India is undergoing for so many years is much worse . It is high time we should realise... to prevent mad dogs to biting us , we have to kill them . There should not be any more talk with Pakistan who is harbouring DAWOOD and Co. and supporting the terrosrists group who are doing all kind of attrocities on Indian people . Let our politicians understand and see who are the real enemies . They are always blaming RSSs for some unknown reasons . India shouln't pay must opinion to world opinion . India's destiny is not in the hand of other countries . India must be strong for that we have to equip our army with modern , sophisticated weapons . We must take a strong stand .World will respect us only when we are strong . USA treats CHINA with respect , coz China is a strong country. .... We should not keep waiting Laden and Pakistan to attack us . We should attack them first . Our media is always against our soldiers who are fighting a fierce battle in kashmir , our media is always blaming our soldiers of human rights violation . But our spineless media is silent when the terrorists kill / drive out hindus from kashmir/jammu valley ..... We should be inspired by our friend ISRAEL . If India kills LADEN and destroys PAKISTAN that will be INDIA'S greatest contribution for world peace . JAI HIND .


kkn  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 42 of 510 )
Prem, Very good point. These Australians .... they atleast could have allowed the boat people to land and then could have decided about their future course of action, but after letting go the golden oppertunity to show the world their humane nature they are shedding crocodile tears for the Americans. While feeling bad for what happened in the US is fine, the treatment of the boat people exposes their hypocracy.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 43 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Bushh The effing button...

'We know that America is a land of some extraordinarily brilliant people. And yet their new president's singular contribution has been "Bushisms"—statements that are rib-ticklingly ridiculous. When he said things like "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream" or "We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile", people were forgiving because they assumed he suffered from spoonerism. But his supporters and family say he didn't. In which case, you can neither understand nor forgive his verbal lapses.

Just consider some of these Bush profundities: "Quite frankly, teachers are the only ones who teach our children" or "For nasa, space is still a high priority" or "A low voter-turnout is an indication of fewer people going to polls." His history is weak: "The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history." His geography is weaker: "We have a firm commitment to nato, we are part of nato. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are part of Europe." He mixes his metaphors rather confusingly: "He can't take the high horse and claim the low road." And he can't seem to count: "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'." If as his supporters insist Bush doesn't have a speech defect, then the only conclusion is that the man occasionally suffers from a thinking defect.

Can you imagine the dangers of such a man in the Oval Office? He wants to nuke a meteor rushing to earth, Hollywood style, and says "Press the button". But his staff don't, because they assume he must mean "Button the shirt" and the meteorite obliterates earth. Or vice-versa. He says "Button the shirt" and his staff assume he must mean "Press the button" and nuke Afghanistan.

Jokes apart, clearly, there is something drastically wrong with politics. When we look at Indian or American politicians, we see that apart from a few exceptions, those who triumph are mediocre, shameless or corrupt. And yet, we all know that honest, dynamic, intelligent men and women abound. How come they don't or are unwilling to rise to the top in the world of politics?' Anita Pratap, Outlook Archives.

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pedant  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 44 of 510 )
Let us unite.USA is now going to dump us again over Kashmir.It really has no principles ,the white man never had any .To them one wog is as good as the other.despite the acute pain I feel over the WTC blasts I feel one must be realistic too.I wish I new what the opinion of Vinod Mehta our Dear Editor is on this one.He does seem to have quite a proclivity for the big Apple.

Sundeep  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 45 of 510 )
A friend forwarded these poems that seem very appropriate for the occasion:

from Devara Dasimayya tr. A.K. Ramunjan:

For what shall i handle a dagger O lord?
What can I pull it out of,
or stab it in,
when You are all the world,
O Ramanatha?

FROM # 4 of the Bijak of Kabir
Tr. Linda Hess & Shukdev Singh: ....

The Hindu says Ram is the Beloved,
the Turk says Rahim.
Then they kill each other.
No one knows the secret.
TThe pupils drown along with their gurus.
In the end they're sorry.
Kabir says, listen saints:
they're all deluded!
Whatever I say, nobody gets it.
It's too simple.

from Robert Bly's transcreation "The Book of Kabir", #2

I don't know what sort of a God we have been talking about.

The caller calls in a loud voice to the Holy One at dusk
Why?
Surely the Holy One is not deaf.
He hears the delicate anklets that ring on the feet of an insect as it walks.

Go over and over your beads,
paint weird designs on your forehead,
wear your hair matted, long, and ostentatious,
but when deep inside you there is a loaded gun,
how can you have God?


Sundeep  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 46 of 510 )

September 1, 1939
by W. H. Auden
 
I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night.

Accurate scholarship can
Unearth the whole offence
From Luther until now
That has driven a culture mad,
Find what occurred at Linz,
What huge imago made
A psychopathic god:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.

Into this neutral air
Where blind skyscrapers use
Their full height to proclaim
The strength of Collective Man,
Each language pours its vain
Competitive excuse:
But who can live for long
In an euphoric dream;
Out of the mirror they stare,
Imperialism's face
And the international wrong.

Faces along the bar
Cling to their average day:
The lights must never go out,
The music must always play,
All the conventions conspire
To make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we are,
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
Who have never been happy or good.

The windiest militant trash
Important Persons shout
Is not so crude as our wish:
What mad Nijinsky wrote
About Diaghilev
Is true of the normal heart;
For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.

From the conservative dark
Into the ethical life
The dense commuters come,
Repeating their morning vow;
"I will be true to the wife,
I'll concentrate more on my work,"
And helpless governors wake
To resume their compulsory game:
Who can release them now,
Who can reach the deaf,
Who can speak for the dumb?

All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die.

Defenseless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.


yenjvoy  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 47 of 510 )
At one level or the other, we are all responsible for the growth of terrorism. Today in the US, the Republicans are crying out for removing all restraints on the CIA. They are too blind to see that the CIA's unrestrained pursuit of adventure in the MIddle East since the 70s and in Afghanistan since the 80s is what brought the rain of death and destruction down upon New York. Have they never heard of what happens to the sowers of the wind - that they or their descendants reap the whirlwind. Once again prolix pronouncements from the high pulpit of the "world's greatest democracy" are being heard, about how no effort will be spared to rid the world of the evil of terrorism. Not many are commenting on how this will be achieved if the method is to consist of shaking hands with one thief, Pakistan, to destroy another, the Taliban. I think, in this context too, as in the World Series of Baseball, the American usage of the word "World" includes only the 48 states, Hawaii and Alaska. What is even more revealing of the Americans' inability to see the obvious, is that while their goverment and lawmakers alike are unanimously preaching the necessity of revenge to preserve "freedom", not many are coming forward to stress the need for restraint and reflection on why the world hates America and its people so much. I hope the goverment in India does not belong to that group which believes this will lead to a dramatic change of heart in Washington vis a vis India's own battle against the same terrorists. As always, we will have to go it alone and must prepare to do so. Instead of waiting for the Americans to ask for our help, we must take advantage of the confusion amongst the terrorist networks in Kashmir to quickly strengthen our position militarily, and simultaneously engage the Kashmiri people through their representatives to explain how their cause will only suffer if they continue to be party to the activities of these terrorists. To me the imposotion of the veil on Kashmiri women is a far greater tragedy that some building crashing in New York. As for those Islamic 'scholars' who are loudly defending Islam today, I can only say that they cannot absolve themselves of the responsibility of allowing the fundamentalists to hijack their religion, the same way that I as a Hindu cannot escape responsibility for letting the VHP-BJP capture power in India.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 48 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
... Ur power baloon is bust America... Ur saTTaa bazaar gonna go bust too... well below 6000... Bush the button trying to exploit the situation... diverting attention from economic doom n gloom... whipping up jaahil citizen tempers and claiming that people are angry and want revenge... today u said 'crusade'... did u?

Maleeha and Sattar doing such a fine job... while Lalita sulking(?)... guys we heard of criminals (not just dawoods but rajans too) at large... now we have ambassadors at large... lol... every Hindu (goswami means cow owner... lol... and Mehta i think a baaboo... ) is delighted Muslims earning a mighty power as enemy... so that they more permanently remain a cow owners and a mehtas... lol... gaay chaap bandars day dreaming and wishful thinking working overtime 2 ally with the king dada... but alas... geo politics... and besides they(pakees) r yoong, dynamic n well educated... lol...

Bush the buTTunn... putting macho postures... fooling n conning its people, to continue the illusion of being a great power... risking many many times more lives... ah Lalita MSing seen after 6 days on ndtv... operating with knives... a few more of ur own aircraft hit u with biological weapons (Biological warfare - disaster lurking in the corner ) or strike Atomic power station... and ur statecraft... we know u got mighty weapons... as we know ur minds r full of gobar too...

Imraan Khaan called them 'bechaarey n ma'asoom' as our colonel called them 'innocent people'... i don't think they were as innocent... they can't be for letting these gobar chaap on the seats of power doesn't make these jaahils as innocent... ignorence is bliss... no its not... it is sheer hell...

FaarooQ calling 'geedaRs' to die like... singhs... lol...


kamal  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 49 of 510 )
Many countries are taking help from America, whenever they need it, after a while they are ditching Americans. America should not help those ungrateful people and country. I love America. Long Live America. God Bless America.

rav666  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 50 of 510 )
To me the imposition of the veil on Kashmiri women is a far greater tragedy than some building crashing in New York.

Great words there, yenjvoy!


vjwpf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 51 of 510 )
Let's not pretend we were shocked. Far from it, terrorism had been so much a part of our lives we got used to it. It's there in all parts of the world, had made millions of lives miserable right in our midst - in Kashmir. It had to happen with the most powerful nation to wake up mankind from slumber and rethink if they had been doing right in enduring terrorism and other such harmful elements. WTC towers, two of the most beautiful buildings in the world, are now dust. Thousands of people have been killed. Thousands of people might never recover from bereavement. World economy would take a severe beating. It's a message to the world entire how sunk we are as species, for there never was one which exterminated its own community. It's time the world came together and obliterated terrorism and all other such dreadful elements from this planet. It's now or never. http://www.geocities.com/vjwpf2/home.html

Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 52 of 510 )
From Deeta Jain

Isn't This Duplicity?

I agree with Tushar ji on this.

It pains me to see India rushing to the US' aid unasked when they did nothing for us during the Bombay bomb blasts.

We have seen more terrrorism than them, but how have they helped us?? Why is Indian blood not important to their self absorbed selves? We should think rationally here.

PLEASE LET US NOT GET INVOLVED IN THIS WAR. LET US STAY NON ALIGNED or just give them moral support!!

We must also remember that we have many Muslims in this country, and we must not adopt any overtly communal policy.


kamal  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 53 of 510 )
To All,

Those who believe US has done nothing to India. From 1950 - 65 $4billion. From 1965 - 1970 $4Billion. The entire 3rd 5 year plan was depended on that. If that amount had not come, there would not be any 3rd 5year plan. Whenever there is a natural disaster USA is the first country to donate. During Guj. earthquake Clinton government has given $4Million. American too donated a lot. We should not forget all those things. We should have atleast small amount of gratitude. Whenever USA needs some help from us, we should do that without any hesitation because they helped as a lot. I love America. God bless America.


kamal  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 54 of 510 )
Here is the letter which I received from one of my friend.

> I was emailed this. > > > A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > > America: The Good Neighbor. > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a > remarkable > > editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television > > commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as > printed in the Congressional Record: > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most > > generous and possibly the least > appreciated people on all the earth. > > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out > of > > the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and > forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying > even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. >


kamal  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 55 of 510 )
> When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who > propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the > streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries > in > > to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. > > Nobody helped. > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into > discouraged countries. Now > newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering > > Americans. > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the > erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other > > country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the > Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? > Why > do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on > the > moon? You talk about Japanese > technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and > you > get automobiles. > > You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -! not > once, but several times - and safely home again. > > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store > window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued > and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless > they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and > pa > > at home to spend here. > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through > age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad > > and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an > old caboose. Both are still broke. > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other > people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced > to > the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during > > the San Francisco earthquake. > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned > tired > of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with > their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose > at > the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is > not one of those." > > Stand proud, America! > > > > This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the > United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the > rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything > and > never even get a thank you for the things we do. > > I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as you can > > and emphasize that they should send it to as many of their friends until > this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a single > American > that has read this. > > I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON.

sadat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 56 of 510 )
I was sickened to my stomach when I heard my Egyptian cab driver in New York yesterday express his opinion about how unsafe he felt since he was a Muslim and how he might be targeted after the event of the past week. I felt sorry for him. But then learning that I too am a Muslim he mentioned how it was all right to kill Jews even if they were civilians! I almost felt like throwing up. I pointed out that in my opinion what he said was absolutely wrong. That brought the conversation between us to a dead halt. We Muslims need our heads examined. I am reminded of the couplet in Urdu about never becoming a person, "Jis-e aish mein yadey Khuda na rahey, Jis-e thaish mein khaufey Khuda na rahey." If the way our religion is preached and its teachings interpreted do not go fundamental changes then perhaps it is time to put this religion on the back burner of history! Of what good are the good teachings of Islam when the dark aspects of the religion become the prime motivation for most of its followers? How can a person who believes he is religious condone the killing of women, children, and civilians? No point in disowning those who committed these barbaric acts for they do come from our faith. And our fates are linked to these people unfortunately.

I cannot imagine a situation when I would be willing to kiss my baby son in the morning and in the evening I would plant a bomb in a place that could kill someone else’s child. No I am sorry. No religion, no place in Heaven or Earth, no cause in the whole world could nor should motivate me or us to take such steps. If statements like these result in my burning in hell for all eternity then so be it. I might have missed the meaning of our religion altogether if this is allowed or even possible in my religion. It is better to burn the Koran in my possession than to harm a single hair on an innocent’s head. And to suggest the thousands who perished in the planes and at the WTC were not “innocents” would have to be the creation of a sick and warped mind.


sridham  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 57 of 510 )
US war against terrorism cannot stop by the mere arrest or killing of Bin-Laden.Pakistan which has suddenly become anti terrorist should be made to pay for it's misdeeds against India.Any war against terrorism is incomplete without action taken against Pakistan.

Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 58 of 510 )
From Kumar

Pictures That Lie

Well, what can I say? Looks like the author clearly has an "agenda". I work in Saudi Arabia and have colleagues of all nationalities, including Palestinians.

Let me tell you that none of the Palestinians made any effort to hide their total glee at what happened in New York. One also heard that lot of people (various nationalities) even went about distributing sweets!

Kumar


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 59 of 510 )
From Anwar

The Invisible Afghanistan

I wholeheartedly congratulate the publisher of this artcle which gives "TRUE Picture" of Afghnistan..That too in the present scenario where the entire world is seeing with suspecious eyes towards muslims. I would like to see more of this kind... May ALLAH give you the courage and strenght to publish this true article's and protect u from evil-eyes. sincerely anwar

anwar


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 60 of 510 )
From Dan C.

War Against The Planet

Felt compelled to thank you for more middle-eastern history in seven pages than I've seen in one place for ten years.

Much food for thought.

Deserves wider distribution here in the States for the sake of public discussion. Unfortunately, it would probably only see the light of day in the already marginalized alternative press, who seem to be in the unfortunate position of "preaching to the choir." Dan C., Seattle


Prem  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 61 of 510 )
Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra.
Admin  9/19/01 7:36:37 PM

In response to Kumar's comment above, all I can say is that it shows the ease with which Palestinians get linked together with and stand in for all other Arabs and Muslims.

The article clearly talked about Palestinians in Palestine, and why THEY wouldn't be celebrating given the massive Israeli attacks.

Your title still accurately captures the significance of the article, which is that the constant replaying of that video clip shapes public opinion in a particular, distorted way.

Thank you, Outlook, for a change, going out of the Pakistani fixation that you otherwise seem to suffer from and going all the way to Palestine.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 62 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
It is meaningless and dangerous to declare war against terrorism The Independent Digital

The Overlooked Flaw in Retaliation by Harry Browne at Antiwar.com

How to defeat bin Laden The U.S. should drop its war rhetoric and convince the Islamic world that he is a dangerous fugitive from justice. By Michael T. Klare at Salon.com

The penknife and the bomb : Brute force is not the way to defeat the terrorist threat The Guardian

If Bush wants an invasion, it could become more costly than Vietnam Independent Digital (UK)

Christians should not charge into 'holy war' SIMON JENKINS of the Lundon Tames

WASHINGTON (By Jamie McIntyre CNN) -- America's "new war" against terrorism will be fought with unprecedented secrecy, including heavy press restrictions not seen for years, Pentagon sources said Monday.

The domino effect : An attack on Afghanistan could destabilise its neighbours, many of whom already struggle to control their own fundamentalist factions, Ewen MacAskill, The Guardian

Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible and the Qur'aan. The preachers dare not, the mullaas dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so tathagat thought he would do it himself...


ajax080  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 63 of 510 )
Gen Musharraf is coming accross as a pure oppurtunist this is once again another about turn. Granted that the US created the mess in Afghanistan, but did pakistan have to abet a medivial and obscure regime such as the taliban?? why could pakistan not have used their proximity and influence to have created a democratic and forward looking afghanistan after the withdrawl of the Soviets. The military in Pakistan has a lot to answer for. It is a near sighted jingoistic organisation. Any American strike against afghanistan portends a long period of instability in the region

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 64 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Pentagon recommends use of nuclear weapons : Japan Today. : Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 09:30 JST

WASHINGTON — The Defense Department has recommended to President George W Bush the use of tactical nuclear weapons as a military option to retaliate for last week's terrorist attacks in the United States, diplomatic sources said Tuesday.

It is unknown whether Bush has made any decision. But military analysts said the president is unlikely to opt for the use of nuclear weapons because doing so would generate rebuke from the international community and could even trigger revenge from the enemy involving weapons of mass destruction.

But the Pentagon's suggestion shows the determination of U.S. officials to retaliate for the first massive terrorist attacks on the U.S. mainland, the analysts said.

The recommendation appears intended to deter terrorists, they said.

On ABC television's THIS WEEK program Sunday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld refused to rule out the use of tactical nuclear weapons. He avoided clearly answering a simple question on whether their use can be ruled out. To a similar question, a Pentagon official also replied, "We will not discuss operational and intelligence matters."

According to the diplomatic sources, the Pentagon recommended using tactical nuclear weapons shortly after it became known that an unprecedented number of civilian casualties resulted from the terrorist attacks.

Impressions Amid the Winds of War

Crusade is a dirty word

Key phigures de taalebaaN or who Who Rules the Taliban? by Radio Netherlands' Asia editor Ellen van Dalen, 19 September 2001


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 65 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
lay off... :), lol..., 'Infinite Justice' or 'Infinite Revenge'? ... 2 hours back Bush the buT'Ton... talked about opportunities... MiddleEast 2 SouthAsia... both Pak and India 'jumping on the opportunity 2 serve the master...

as Ma'o bhai said... power phrom the barrel oph the gunn... Shivaani putri interpreting it... shakti talwaar ki teekhi noak de born stuff... our State dept. see the need to be just... in order to be secure... but why ur states were so arrogant... unconcerning, inconsiderate... that is all right now... der aayed duurust aayed... and subah ka bhoola stuff... but they, it seems got to demonstrate their might... no nuke please and urnium depleted munitions... :(, bas ke dushwaar hai har kaam ka aasaaN hona... aadmi ko bhi may'assar nahiN insaaN hona...

Robert Green Ingersoll

FOREIGN RELATIONS, WAR and PEACE

Prime Minister Helen Clark has pledged intelligence support in the global fight against terrorism, but is refusing to enact the Anzus treaty.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 66 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
POWER

john lennon 1971

"We're just as responsible as the man who pushes the button.

The idea that somebody either is going to give us POWER or has taken our POWER,

that somebody has made us go to war or not made us go to war;

that God in the sky is a separate thing, that we're separate nations, Religions, whatever.

It's all the same garbage. As long as people IMAGINE that someone is doing something to them and they have no control, then they have no control."

If you aren't good, Santa won't bring you presents.

If you aren't good, government will punish you.

If you aren't good, you won't go to heaven.

Obedience to a "God" or authority needs interpretation, which really means submission to the POWER of interpreters: their ideas, prejudices and friends.

George Orwell 1949: "The object of POWER is POWER" Hunter Thompson 1972: "The currency of politics is POWER" David Halberstam 1978: "Politics is the distillation of POWER".

Tolstoy WAR and PEACE 1868

"POWER is the collective will of the people transferred to their ruler. POWER over others in its real meaning, is only the greatest dependence on them."

[There is apparently no credible evidence that Hitler ever killed anyone... personally.]

TERRORISM: Custer Died For Your Sins Vine Deloria 1969

"America has always been a militantly imperialistic world power eagerly grasping for economic control over weaker nations. The Indian wars of the past should rightly be regarded as the first foreign wars of American history. As the U.S. marched across the continent, it was creating an empire by wars of foreign conquest just as England and France were doing in India and Africa. Certainly the war with Mexico was imperialistic, no more or less than the wars against the Sioux, Apache, Utes and Yakimas. In every case the goal was identical: land.

When the frontier was declared officially closed in 1890, it was only a short time before American imperialistic impulses drove this country into the Spanish-American War and the acquisition of America's Pacific Empire began. Also in Central and South America. There has not been a time since the founding of the republic when the motives of this country were innocent. Is it any wonder that other nations are extremely skeptical about its real motives in the world today?

No society which has real and lasting values need rely on force for their propagation. The wheel of Karma grinds slowly but it does grind finely. And it makes a complete circle."


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 67 of 510 )
From Vinod

Musharraf And The Madrassa Madness

Dear Prof. Prashad,

I agree with you completely. All major players in this dispute, Osama, the Taliban, President Bush, the BJP and Israel seem to be fanatics. I guess when moderates are unwilling or incapable of being as vocal as the fanatics, fanatics are bound to hold the floor.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 68 of 510 )
From Chet Mehra

Musharraf And The Madrassa Madness

BJP and taliban? The guy who wrote this is a loony and should be sent awaya to the loony bin.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 69 of 510 )
From Gopal Kamat

Musharraf And The Madrassa Madness

This piece is astonishing in its bigotry, datedness, and dimwitted marxist viewpoint.. wake up and put the blame where its due - deliberate islamisation, dictatorship and corruption of the pakistanis - both elite and masses.. dont blame the US/ IMF / World Bank for all the problems of pakistan, and dont put the BJP / US religionists into the same basket as the jamaat! The days of megalomania, mass murder by marxist theocracies are now gone.. as for using "dialectics" (sic) who are you trying to kid using such rubbish pseudo theories... wake up and do an honest days job - not in the cosy cocoon of connecticut..


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 70 of 510 )
From Chet Mehra

The Clash of Civilisations?

Indians are anyway the target of muslim terror tactics from pakistan and now indians specially sikhs are bieng tragetted in usa too. Instead of counselling your own mullahs you are pointing fingers at the USA populace. Insstead checking and counselling your own fanatics, you preach to the choir. Shame on fanatic muslims like u.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 71 of 510 )
From Nakul Shenoy

Pictures That Lie

Dear Sirs,

This is a very informative story, as this may help rest the furore (or further it?) caused by an email alleging the falsity of the video film broadcast by CNN. The initial mail [available at http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/cnn.htm ] alleged that the footage used by CNN was from the 1991 Persian Gulf War footage.

This allegation was subsequently retracted later [available at http://uk.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=11546 ] by the original eMailer.

Regards, Nakul


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 72 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
An Afghan-American speaks You can't bomb us back into the Stone Age. We're already there. But you can start a new world war, and that's exactly what Osama bin Laden wants. By Tamim Ansary at Salon.com

If the United States retaliates against last Tuesday’s terrorist attacks by bombing Afghan cities, among the main victims of a U.S. strike will be the innocent women and children who live in terror under the Taliban government. Afghan Women First Victims of Terrorism : Wendy McElroy, FoxNews.

Kashmir rebels back bin Laden, Sheikh Mushtaq, Japan Today, September 20, 2001 at 09:30 JST

Secret plans for 10-year war BY MICHAEL EVANS, DEFENCE EDITOR, The Times Generals rule out 'D-Day invasion' Old doctrines for fighting wars, based on lining up tanks and artillery and layers of troops, are being thrown out and replaced by a more subtle and wide-ranging doctrine which seeks to defeat the enemy at its own game. “The aim is not to go for the enemy’s strengths, but its weaknesses,” one source said.

American and British planners are working on the basis that military strikes will take place only as part of a broader global counter-terrorist operation, embracing every other type of international action — diplomatic, economic and political...

The nuclear threat, Pakistan could lose control of its arsenal BY NIGEL HAWKES, The Times: West's worst scenario

Any military action against Muslim terrorists within Afghanistan will have to take account of that, said George Perkovich, a nuclear weapons expert at the W. Alton Jones Foundation in Charlottesville, Virginia, who has specialised in the nuclear arms race between India and Pakistan.

A Tale of Two Deliriums by Karen De Coster


ashokbas  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 73 of 510 )
There was a picture in Orange County Register (California) today of Pakistani women with toy guns shouting Death to America, Crush America and Taliban Zindabad. Think about the children these women will give birth to. What kind of mentality these children will have?

Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 74 of 510 )
From J.K.Reddy

Pictures That Lie

nonsense. The celebrations are true , may be small group. Devils and evils are always small. But should be eliminated.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 75 of 510 )
From Ashish Vats

Will It Work?

What does author mean by 'India can tyrannise Kashmir' ..Is he suggesting that Kashmir be declared an independant state or handed over to Pakistan


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 76 of 510 )
From Gautam Khanna

Will It Work?

This is the most insightful and thought provoking article I have read on all sites combined : www.cnn.com, www.timesofindia.com, www.hindustantimes.com and www.outlookindia.com.

I have been watching CNN, Fox News and CNBC everyday. The commentators and their distinguished guests talk more like barbarians than citizens of the civilized world, I wish there were more people on these channels who could think from all angles.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 77 of 510 )
From Amar Saksena Is Musharraf Walking Into A US Trap?

It's incredible how Indians will beguile themselves and find any number of excuses in order not to do the dirty work themselves.

Taming Pakistan is (was) India's job. We have never had the political will or the gumption to do it. The result is that we have bled for over 20 years and put up with the tantrums of Kashmiris for over 50 years.

The US is not interested in ridding India of Pakistan's nuclear threat. It is interested in keeping nuclear India in check.

Take a look around you. A growing economy needs energy. The US is the most conspicuous user of the world's resources and a positive guzzler of energy. It is not likely to let a nuclear India pose a threat to its oil lifeline through the Arabian Gulf.

I'll wager that Pakistan's nuclear capability will be kept intact as a check to India's future ambitions.


yenjvoy  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 78 of 510 )
I have been talking to people and monitoring American print and electronic media since Tuesday, and have watched the situation develop and unfold until today war seems inevitable. A few interesting impressions - 1. Americans truly believe in armed response, and are not even averse to discussing openly the possibility of response with non- conventional weapons. Just the other night there was actually a man on talk radio advocating a response with the secret weapons and technology the government has developed from Area 51's secret Alien investigation program. While the US is not unique in possessing a lunatic fringe, it is remarkable that from top to bottom there is a belief in military might as the answer to terrorism. There is no sign of a realisation that the number of nukes owned by a country does not define how secure it is against terrorist aggression. I am reminded of Gandhi's words - "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind". From the first moment he heard about it, President Bush has been using the word 'war' freely to describe the attack as well as the American response to it. Remarkably the media or other politicians have not made any efforts to urge caution or temperance. Consequently there is a definite momentum of public opinion in favor of revenge and armed response. In any other country, in my opinion, this would be called warmongering. Not here. Interestingly, in Congress, just one person, Barbara Lee, the Congresswoman from Berkeley and Oakland, California has opposed the resolution authorising the President for war. Fully 88% of Americans polled by Gallup have favored war. I cannot help but feel that President Bush has painted himself into a corner with his continuous talk of war, until now he cannot stop the country from going to war even if he wanted. A more experienced politician would have left his options open while rallying the country to overcome the immediate crisis. Today public opinion is firmly behind a military offensive,regardless of the consequences. To that extent, in my opinion Bush and his cabinet must also bear the responsibility for the wave of hate crimes against Arabs, Muslims and generally against all brown people that is sweeping North-east America. Of course there is now a campaign on to prove that Islam is a 'peaceful' religion.

yenjvoy  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 79 of 510 )
2. There are very influential people in the administration, who are talking about changing internal security policies, and expanding the mandate and powers of CIA to aid effective intelligence gathering. These include Armitage, the deputy Sec Def, Don Rumsfeld, the Sec Def, and Attorney General Ashcroft. I am sure Dick Cheney is also firmly behind these proposals. CIA has been trying to dissemble in the face of growing criticism, by claiming that its capabilities are limited because of the over reliance lately on SigInt (Signals Intelligence or Electronic Intelligence gathering) as opposed to HumInt (Human Intelligence or good old spying). The spin doctors, with the blessings of the administration officials, are claiming that some directives from previous presidencies obstruct the CIA from recruiting 'unsavory' characters, and since in terrorist cells everybody is unsavory, the CIA has no intelligence capabilities or 'assets' on the ground, in the tradecraft jargon. This is remarkable again, because it reflects the institutional blindness that prevents these people from seeing how modern Islamic terrorism is a culmination of events set in motion by the CIA's meddling in the middle-east and in the Afghan civil war throughout the last 25 years. This meddling, direct or through its various proxies, like the Mossad, Saudi Intelligence and especially the Pakistani ISI, has resulted in the decimation of Afghanistan and its native culture, and the creation in its place of a state whose goal is the destruction of non-Islamic cultures everywhere. Nowhere is there even an attempt to analyse how Osama bin Laden went from a handpicked ally to one of America's most implacable foes, and what part was played in this by the CIA and by America's own policies of short term alliances of convenience. To me this is yet another example of how monolithic the establishment in this country has become, when even the media does not think about asking these questions out loud. This is not the first time that the CIA has screwed up. Its history is one of failures of mega proportions, including Vietnam, Latin America and now the Middle East. The one big success it claims is the disintegration of the USSR. To my mind the verdict of history is still pending on that one, although Ronald Reagan has been anointed in American history as the Jedi Knight who brought the Evil empire down. The talk about increasing the CIA's powers and expanding its mandate sounds very dangerous however, because there is a collective denial that the CIA is the problem and not the solution.

yenjvoy  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 80 of 510 )
3. Which brings us to Pakistan. That country has charted for itself a course that is bringing it ever closer to a great crisis. Partly, the obsession with India has obscured everything else, whereby life in Pakistan seems suspended while they tackle the problem of India. Also, however, at least partly, the seeds of Pakistan's destruction were present within the movement for its creation. Today, more then ever, I am amazed by the power of propaganda, that allows successive Pakistani governments to blame every failure on India while making grandiose claims about the approaching era of prosperity and triumph. In the context of this crisis, from the American point of view, I can appreciate the careful manner of dealing with Pakistan adopted by President Bush's team. This is driven by the very real fear that isolating Pakistan or confronting it would pit the US against an unstable nuclear powered rogue. Even destabilising the present government might result in the fundamentalist Islamic parties taking over, and gaining control of a nuclear arsenal. I can only hope that, firstly there will be a belated realisation somewhere in the monolithic structure of US policy making, that Pakistan's current nuclear capability is a direct result of the US' wilful ignorance and connivance, and secondly, that there is a recognition that at some point in the future there will be a confrontation with Pakistan, if things stay on course. The US continues to ignore developments in Pakistan at its peril. Pakistan, as it exists today, is on the verge of collapse. Infusions of aid by International agencies are like periodic blood transfusions to what is essentially a terminal patient. Any poor non-democratic country that has to spend 65% of its national income on debt payments and still persists with spending another 25% on defense is bound to end up collapsing on itself at some point. Couple that with the ever present spectre of religion in the national identity of that country, and the recipe for a monumental disaster is complete. Unless the US realises this, and engages Pakistan accordingly, the inevitable collapse of Pakistan is certain, with the equally inevitable backlash against the US. There is a long-standing belief here, among the policy planners, that Pakistan has some kind of a legitimate claim on Kashmir, and if this claim is somehow satisfied, that Pakistan will then abandon its anti-India stance and become a more rational member of the international community. This belief, coupled with the emotional bent of policy planners here, has contributed to a sympathetic tilt towards Pakistan, and disregard for India's complaints of terrorism sponsored by Pakistan. However, because of this sympathy, the ambitions of Pakistan have grown unchecked, and now there is a real threat of a nuclear capable rogue state coming into being, which will be controlled by motivated Islamic fundamentalists. It has been Israel's biggest nightmare since inception, and should rapidly become that of India too. I feel that although it is inevitable that Pakistan and the US will come to a confrontation one day, it is important for India to plan independently in this respect and align with Israel more closely, at both strategic and tactical levels, to counter the growing threat in our backyard. This is because Israel has demonstrated an unshakable resolve to place its national interests before that of the US while remaining closely aligned with the US in all respects. Israel recognises very clearly that ultimately it can rely only upon itself for its own safety, and that reliance upon another to ensure one's own security is naive and dangerous.

yenjvoy  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 81 of 510 )
4. Finally, a few observations about the American character and behaviour under crisis. In Detroit, an Arab restaurant became a target of an e-mail hoax claiming its owners celebrated upon receiving news of the attack in New York on Sept 11. There was an inevitable backlash, with loss of business and safety concerns. The Egyptian born owner kept claiming that he had lived in the US for 25 years and had no sympathy for the terrorists, that there had been no celebration etc. but he was ignored. Then, CNN picked up the story and it got wide publicity. People heard and saw the sincerity of the desperate owner, whose life's work had been unjustly endangered by this wilful hoax. There was a dramatic turnabout the next day - from early in the morning the business was mobbed by well wishing supporters with flowers, apologies and orders for food, so much so that the parking lot was clogged and the man had to turn away business. Not many South Asian media persons picked up this story, although Balbir Singh Sodhi's murder got several days worth of coverage, which says something about selective journalism everywhere. In another incident, a flyer was distributed on Thursday, to every household, throughout the country, to come out with candles and flags at 7 PM on Friday. This was not done by politicians and there was very little publicity on TV or in the papers. On Friday at the given time we stepped out and found people gathered in throngs at crossroads and on the curbside at many places, with lit candles and American flags in all sizes. They waved the flags and passing cars, many with their own flags flying, honked their horns and people made the victory sign and waved to each other happily. Traffic is usually very silent here, but on that day I was reminded of Indian roads with all the honking horns and shouting. It was solemn, but also a spontaneous outpouring of national feeling. And the people stayed out till well past 9 PM. You have to know how seriously Americans take their Friday evenings, to appreciate fully the impact of this. In my mind, I contrasted this image with memories of India in crises - people rioting against innocent Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's death, of cops roughing up and looting people in Bombay in the aftermath of the bomb blasts, and the total lack of any outpouring of public support for victims of any disaster. Here, the bloodbanks are flooded, the aid agencies are turning perishable goods away, and millions will be raised tonight in the beginning of a 3-day telethon for the families for the victims. So this is America, folks, and any people who can do things like this can not be discounted. I hope that while learning the more visible aspects of their culture, like pizzas and hamburgers, blue jeans and t-shirts, rock music and drugs, we can also learn some of this feeling of nationhood, of standing together in adversity. We had it till 1947, and there was another spark in 1977, but we seem to have lost it now. I hope not permanently.

Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 82 of 510 )
From Nehru

Is Musharraf Walking Into A US Trap?

India has been telling USA since last 11 years,it cross Boder Terrorism from Pakistan that is resposible for the upheavel in Kashmir.

So long America's own interests are not affected it does not pay any heed to woes of other countries. That being the fact I don't think Pakistan is walking in Americas trap.

Pakistan is buddy of USA. Time and again it has been proved. Why shoud America bother the Terriorist groups in Pakitan are confined to Kashmir only it serves both the American and Pakisthans self interest. Pakistan is a loyal friend which USA will never like to loose.


manu  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 83 of 510 )
ladai ladai maaf karo k............... ....

Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 84 of 510 )
From Arif

Is Musharraf Walking Into A US Trap?

Yet another Indian wet dream!

All my life I have sought and prayed for India and Pakistan to not only live in peace but do so as friends and brothers.

The reaction of Indian media in recent days has saddened and angered me.

Such is the blind hatred for Pakistan that you people (who are, not so secretly) harbouring hopes of Pakistan's destruction, can't see that a destablized Pakistan would become a nightmare of unimaginable proportions for India.

If the Pakistani establishment has made anti-India sentiments a cornerstone of its policy, your servile and myopic press has done as much to stoke anti-Pakistan feelings.

I doubt if we can be friends anytime soon.

A Dissapointed Pakistani

anp@hotmail.com


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 85 of 510 )
From Revathi Siva Kumar

How Can The US Bomb This Tragic People?

This is one of the most brilliant, courageous and superb analysis that I have read in recent times. It articulates much of what I have felt, but unable to express in such simple, accurate terms. It brought tears to my eyes. I hope to read more of the same.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 86 of 510 )
From Vivek Vaishnavi I am an Indian poet residing in Norway.
I offer my condolences to the American people in the only manner I know how.

 
September 11, 2001
 
When I saw the towers tumble
I remembered the television experts who said that
Children are not too affected
 
By illusionary violence and make believe death.
And then before thoughts went silent
I thought that this is not a world for poetry.
 
The frantic disbelief of a reporter broke
The deafness.
And still, the silence was complete.
 
On screen actors should bleed in pints
And cars must explode effortlessly.
The towers tumbled bloodlessly.
 
I have seen buildings collapsing
And fireballs chasing nameless extras down frenzied streets.
I have held my breath as a dog made the slow-mo leap to safety.
 
But the good guys always gave it back to ET.
And I could walk out purged, squint at the sun,
And return to rice, chicken and prime time TV.
 
When the towers tumbled I felt the floor rise and tremble From across an ocean.
 
And I thought that this could not be a world for poetry.
 
I have followed The Great Debate.
Limitless Ambition. Satanic Hate.
Unending Rage. Divine Retribution.

 
The world is learning to speak again.
Voluminously.
And great armies are filling their tanks.
 
The towers have tumbled.
I must find a new nursery rhyme.
 
The twin towers are falling down.
Falling down. Falling down.
 
The twin towers have fallen down,
My Fair Lady.
 
How shall we build them up again?
Up again? Up again?
 
How shall we build them up again
My Fair Lady?
 
Lets build them up with Love and Hope.
Love and Hope. Love and Hope.
 
Lets build them up with Love and Hope.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 87 of 510 )
From Jawed Naqvi

When Journalists Report For Duty

Absolutley, spot on. This madness is widespread. I would say many, if not most mainstream editors in India would go along with the Time maniac.

Equally so elsewhere.

As a journalist myself, a secular Indian who happens to be a muslim and writing for a newspaper in Pakistan, not seen as kosher for an Indian Muslim, I seem to know the frustrations of the author with rabid jingoism and mindless xenophobia within the media.


andy  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 88 of 510 )
The attck on USA brought attention of all the nation to what terrorism is. India is suffering from this for the last 2 decades. All of the NATO countries never paid any attention to this nor in any way they came forward to issue any statements against this. They harbour terrorism and now they are paying the price. They themselves created the demon like Osama and even now they are still supporting the country like Pakisthan who is the driving force behind all the terrorism. USA supported all these activites so that their weapon market should grow and arms race which will benifit them. Now India have golden chance to destroy terrorist supporting nations and facilities. India should go all out and destroy all the Pak sponsored camps in PoK and Pakisthan and Afgan. Except India all the nation respects their citizens. We just issue statements when daily 10-15 peoples die in J&K. Indian PM should issue statement that if any Indian lose his life due to this terrorist attacks we will attack and destroy their camps la Iserel style of hot Pursuit.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 89 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
tathagat is pleased2C so many sane voices in airwaves and underneath electric pulses... papers are atleast 12 hours too late...

...tathagat tribute de Mossoud... real babu tirchhi Topi Waley... guys he used to wear his pakhul tilted to the left... he promised to wear it straight the day he is triumphant... the cape is a symbol for courage and hope for his men, and their banner...

Before dubya smokes... some essential Rumi (delay is a relief... coz Poppa papal papacy was in the neighborhood)... he is making sense for a change... hey Brijesh how about George for a terrorist... Aadvaani and Thakray as ones... was India outraged when father of the nation Gaandhi was assassinated by the extreme right wingers, now ruling the roost... ah AfgHaan puttar, greatest of Rishies(the enlightened poets) Rumi...

Love is the way messengers/ from the mystery tell us things.

Love is the mother. We are her sons.

She shines inside us, / visible-invisible, as we trust/ or lost trust, or feel it start to grow again.

translated by Coleman Barks.

It is your turn now,
you waited, you were patient.
The time has come,
for us to polish you.
We will transform your inner pearl
into a house of fire.
You're a gold mine.
Did you know that,
hidden in the dirt of the earth?
It is your turn now,
to be placed in fire.
Let us cremate your impurities.

~translated by Shiva.

The Taliban and the media, A country with no news or pictures,
Reporters Without Borders, September 2000

Roomi born , c. Sept. 30, 1207, Balkh, Ghurid empire [now in Afghanistan] died Dec. 17, 1273

A Tribute to Molana Jalal-e-Din Mohammad Rumi

Valuable Media Web sites focusing on Afghanistan


umashiv  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 90 of 510 )
US had declared war on the terrorists and the nations which harbour terrorists. It was the initial reaction right after the attack on the US but now after a gap of few days, they have also come to realise that without establishing fully the guilt on Osama Bin Laden, the war will be fruitless. Time heals all wounds and as already so much time has elasped, infinite justice can only be had if the perpetrators of the 11th September's carnage are hunted down and punished sparing the innocents.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 91 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
OPERATION INFINITE ARROGANCE What's in a name? A lot…. ... notion of State Power is over... guys its 'state terrorism' v/s 'group terrorism'... any disgruntled group of 50, 000 or more will make ur ivory towers unsafe...(while Orissa2Qand'har people starve)... in all this the right wingers are exposed... Dubya, Bulldozer, Haider de Austrian and Atom Bomb Vajpayee... are all OBinL as well, and dangerous to the peace de global village...

India with its 180 million plus population here... makes this Buddha Desh a largest Muslim populated country... beside being the majority...

baboons can't feed its hungry and starved citizen and yet jumping crazy onto de lap-o-Uncle Sam... Dr Roy 2 Advaani the Ayodhiya butcher... Quoting Prez Mush... about defending jehadis... by calling them freedom fighters... but both forgot that a few days prior... ABV talked about Bhagat Singh... i heard him say... they were freedom fighters but the means were not right... One expert on Fox called George Washington a terrorist... for that matter...

and leaving choices to hundreds of nation... either with us or terrorist... the way the jaahil cowboy did... was arrogant and fascist in nature... threatening and blackmailing world community... I am sure even Neeru, Naser and Tit'o would have found it hard to make a choice under these circumstances...

Dubya is as Atal as ABV... morning he screamed 'Revenge' evening he whispered 'Justice' ... than said 'Crusade'... than said errr... lol... his obvious ignorance of even words, let alone HOS names and Capitals... and their repercussions... than ur Infinite Justice reduced to 'Enduring Freedom'... whatever happened to 'Operation Noble Eagle'? expression such as 'Smoke' and 'wanted dead or alive' were sheer Bush'ism...

Bioterrorism: The Next Threat? BY MICHAEL D. LEMONICK, TheTime.com

On the brink of war : Now what? Letters2theGuardian

What should you do if your flight is hijacked? Will killing or capturing Osama bin Laden make any difference? And is anywhere safe now? A fortnight after the attacks on America, these are the questions preoccupying many of us. Guardian experts offer some answers...


In wake of crisis, idiocy sets in : Tony Norman, post-gazette.com

the PeaceMaker Speak :

The Kansas City Star : Americans need more vigilance on biological terrorism

PS: tathagat is worried and sad at the plight of poor AfgHaan people... the women and children... the old and the sick... and all these brave compassionate women of BBC, CNN, ABC, NBC and the rest... India is full of caste ridden baboons without any compassion or respect for their own people... so tathagat won't seek their help... instead he calls upon Tata and Bata and Prem Jiis... and likes to help ease their plight...


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 92 of 510 )
From Jaafar Husain

Revenge Comes Home

Thank you.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 93 of 510 )
From Chhavi

When Journalists Report For Duty

Bravo!


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thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 97 of 510 )
NUKE AFGANISTAN , NUKE PAKISTAN . DESTROY BOTH THESE COUNTRIES , KILL ALL THE RASKELS LIVING THERE and the world will be free from the virus of terrorism .

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 98 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
The end of liberty Law enforcement officials are taking advantage of the war on terrorism to get everything they ever wanted. SalonMag.com

Islam in Britain : Dossier lists 100 hate attacks on Muslim targets, BY SAM LISTER@TheLundonTames.com

An anti-war movement is starting to build across the United States, Duncan Campbell@The Guardian Wednesday September 26, 2001.

US allies are killers and drug dealers, By Rahul Bedi in New Delhi phaar The Telegraph, London

Two stories by CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA, TOI @ AntiWar.Com, how cum Outlook not there???

"All existence is choice; only in aloneness there is no choice. Choice, in every form, is conflict. Contradiction is inevitable in choice; this contradiction, inner and outer breeds confusion and misery. To escape from this misery, gods, beliefs, nationalism, commitment to various patterns of activities become compulsive necessities. Having escaped, they become all important and escape is the way of illusion; then fear and anxiety set in. Despair and sorrow is the way of choice and there is no end to pain. Choice, selection, must always exist as long as there is the chooser, the accumulated memory of pain and pleasure, and every experience of choice only strengthens memory whose response becomes thought and feeling. Memory has only a partial significance, to respond mechanically; this response is choice. There is no freedom in choice. You choose according to the background you have been brought up in, according to to your social, economic, religious conditioning. Choice invariably strengthens this conditioning; there is no escape from this conditioning, it only breeds more suffering. [...]

Choice is always breeding misery. Watch it and you will see it, lurking, demanding, insisting and begging, and before you know where you are you are caught in its net of inescapable duties, responsibilities and despairs. Watch it and you will be aware of the fact. Be aware of the fact; you cannot change the fact; you may cover it up, run away from it, but you cannot change it. It is there. If you will let it alone, not interfering with it with your opinions and hopes, fears and despairs, with your calculated and cunning judgements, it will flower and show all its intricacies, its subtle ways and there are many, its seeming importance and ethics, its hidden motives and fancies. If you will leave the fact alone, it will show you all these and more. But you must be choicelessly aware of it, walking softly. Then you will see that choice, having flowered, dies and there is freedom, not that you are free but there is freedom. You are the maker of choice; you have ceased to make choice. There is nothing to choose. Out of this choiceless state there flowers aloneness. Its death is never ending. It is always flowering and it is always new. Dying to the known is to be alone. All choice is in the field of the known; action in this field always breeds sorrow. There is the ending of sorrow in aloneness."

From Krishnamurti's Notebook (written 1961/62), Harper & Row , 1984; ISBN 0-06-064795-7

Media talk : Your chance to cut through the shrouds of spin and debate the latest developments in the media. Have your say on everything that moves in medialand from the continuing ratings war between the BBC and ITV, to the latest attempts by media companies - old and new - to get noticed and be profitable.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 99 of 510 )
From D.M.Deanda

THIS IS MY RESPONSE (POINT BY POINT) TO THE ESSAY AND WIDLEY CIRCULATED E-MAIL TITLED "THE BELLY TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE" BY TAMIM ANSARY. FOR YOUR OPINION SECTION. THANK YOU. ***********************

0. A terrorist government by nature represents a minority that have been able to seize territory with ease BECAUSE its people are weak.

1. This "writer-propagandist" is an Afghani-American writer? Right there, he has split his identity and is evident throughout his "writing."

2. The millions of people in Afghanistan (though poor) do not support America or its values. No muslim country does that I have seen. I do not consider these people "innocent." They are to use his words: thugs taken over by thugs.

3. He says he "thought about the issues especially hard" (because he is Afghani). What is there to think about? We were attacked and we will respond to an attack. ".where it looks from where he is standing"??? He is currently standing in the United States of America!

4. He makes comparisons to WWII. He says the Afghani people are like the poor German and the poor Jew and makes a point that this Hitler guy and his Nazi buddies are the bad ones - not us [the Afghani people]. Well, you know how we answered the German question! We don't say, "well these people that we and other countries will be bombing are poor, we have to handle Hitler (i.e. Bin Laden and terrorism) with kid gloves. That didn't work.

5. He makes the point that Bin Laden is not Afghani. Hitler was not German! Scipio was not African. Cortez was not Incan. The current monarchy in the United Kingdom are not English - they have German ancestors! Is Bin Laden therefore untouchable? Oh.. okay... we forgive you. The point is a small minority (but still significant percentage of the population in Afghanistan) harbors him, feed him, clothe him, work for him, die for him.

6. This "writer-propagandist" minimizes Bin Laden's power. "Thug" and "political criminal" and "monster" are not accurate. A dime-store robber is a thug. Noriega was a political criminal... Bin Laden is a mass murderer of innocent Americans for reasons that begin with his hate and contempt for freedom and end with his fervent desire to perpetuate his own diabolical agenda. He is not a member of a "cult," he is a member of a wide-reaching organization, spanning several countries, including Saudi Arabia - with people trained professionally in our own country. The Moonies couldn't have accomplished this. "Ignorant psychotics?" Oh, he has a mental disorder now. Does that mean we should treat him? Is Bin Laden just stupid?

7. He says Bin Laden has "a plan." What did he mean? He does not address this. What's the plan? We know.

8. He makes the point that Bin Laden took over Afghanistan in 1997. This is not relevant. Castro took Cuba (with our assistance, mind you) within a few short years of the Bay of Pigs. There are many, many other examples.

9. Did he actually say, "when you think Afghanis - think Jews?" Wow. Now that's a first. They have nowhere to hide, so the last resort is to compare themselves to the Jews... I bet the moslems of the world didn't care less about the suffering of the Jews during that time. It's religion and an unwillingness to move forward in society as it progresses that's gotten us into all this mess.

contd. on next...


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 100 of 510 )
contd. from previous

10. Afghanis are "victims?" We cannot reward a complacent people when their leader attacks American soil (for the first time!) This should provide the incentive they always needed to rise up against their captor. But we have seen recently in the press that loads of Afghanis are fleeing the country because they do not want to be attacked. I see now... cowardice runs rampant (so to speak) in the Afghani territory. Actually, this is what people do (flee the country) when they are subjected to such a "monster." They leave. But they didn't entertain the idea BEFORE this mess. Must have been happy with their way of life. Oh well... bye bye.

11. "Disabled orphans." Boo hoo.

12. He makes the point that if we bomb, the Taliban "would slip away and hide." However, he says the only way to get the Taliban is "with ground troops." As Americans, we all know what this means. We know what it meant in WWII and Vietnam. It is true - the loss of American lives. First, I do believe that the "writer-propagandist" thinks of a ground-war with "fear and trembling" because he and his Afghani people are cowards. Americans are not. HE makes reference to a "media pundit!!!" His entire language is about cowardice! Second, wouldn't the Taliban know of approaching ground troops well in advance and "slip away and hide?" You bet. I say surprise the bastards, then perhaps go in, if there's anything left to destroy.

13. The "writer-propagandist" is not up to date on his current events. A ground war with Afghanistan could not only begin in Pakistan. And if it did, Pakistan is supporting America in any way they can, I heard last. Sorry! History has proven that you don't actually have to "conquer" Pakistan or any other land to move through their territory. In fact, at the last minute, we flew over Pakistan with ease to get to Afghanistan after the Embassy bombings.

14. And here's his big threat: "muslim nations won't stand by" when and if we do move troops in! Ha ha! Is it clear enough now? That was his last stand, his trump card, his checkmate. NOT!

15. He and Bin Laden see this as a potential war with islam and the west. The "writer-propagandist" advises to check out Bin Laden's "speeches and statements." Well if that doesn't take all! You do the math, "folks."

16. And finally, there are certain words that appear in the English language that are obviously not derivative of that language when used in a certain context, such as "do we have the [belly] to wage a war... etc." This is arab derivative, and this "writer-propagandist" uses the word "belly" five (5) times in this piece. It just makes me wonder. Sounds like an invitation to me. Sounds like a last minute threat before the guy with the loaded gun shoots the fearful and trembling coward between the eyes.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 101 of 510 )
From Abhishek Pandey

Revenge Comes Home

Congratulations!!!!

For writing something, just for the heck of it.

Just because America hit cruise missiles on Iraq and innocent people got killed, doesn’t make Iraq right.

"They" are harboring terrorists and are involved in destructive activities themselves and justifying their act to illiterate people in their county, in the name of god.

Hate crimes are wrong and it is frustrating to live in an alien country, but you always have to be ready, for being ill treated by some short tempered, dumb a**holes in an extra ordinary situation like this.

And what to you expect from Bush? To take a gun and kill every goddamn American who opens his mouth against any Hindu, Sikh, Arab or Muslim immigrant?

All those people involved in the hate crimes are being arrested and prosecuted and no one is giving them medals.

Talking about racism, India is the biggest racist country. North Indians hate south Indians, Punjabis hate gujratis, northeastern guys hate other tribes, Brahmins hate harijans, marathis hate bhaiyas and biharis, you dont marry outside the fourth, fifth, whatever subcaste within your caste, forget about anything else.

Media bias? It only shows what people want to see. There is anger everywhere and what is coming out is what people want to see.

Bush is giving melodramatic speeches on television and that’s exactly what people want. The mass doesn’t have personal anger against any community and they didn’t even know if there was even a country existed named Afghanistan.

America bashing seems to be your hobby although I believe you are in States and you really are enjoying living here, away for the creepy and dusty life in India. You must be having an excellent career, BS ing against people, culture and lifestyle, which you are enjoying at the fullest.

Also such writing gives a soothing relief to the sarkari babus sitting in a chai dhaba in the peak office hours and reading your crappy writing discussing war situations and passing another day by not doing anything productive.

You know what, if you really want to write, write about issues like:

-Why Indians in general are corrupt

-Why population control schemes are not working

- Why every person in Delhi or any major city as a matter of fact is ready to cut your throat or snatch your purse

- Why there is no right way of getting things done in India

- Why every desi male wants to strip naked every women he sees

- Why people are so inconsiderate and inhumane in big towns

- Why everyone talks about progress of the nation all the time, without doing anything

- Why do people have servant kids in their home, when they always talk about the issue of child labor

- Why do people pay for getting their girl married.

These are just few and if you really search, you’ll find millions of issues like this.

So please stop bull shitting, ma'm.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 102 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
History of Terrorism, July 22nd 1946.

who says terrorism doesn't pay? Jewish extremists, led by future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, blow up Jerusalem's King David Hotel, headquarters for the British Army in Palestine. Ninety die. The bombing helped lead to the creation of the Jewish state two years later. (end)

"You have always caused blows to Iran's interests. How dare you request help ... in order to attack the innocent Muslim nation of Afghanistan which has suffered and which is our neighbour."

For the first time since 11 September there were chants of "Death to America" from the audience – which included many disabled veterans – during the Ayatollah's address. Since the atrocities the chants have not been heard in Tehran during the normal Friday prayers.

But President Khatami criticised President Bush yesterday, telling Tehran University students: "A powerful human being can become so arrogant that he thinks he can distinguish between good and evil on his own."

President Khatami strongly attacked Mr Bush for his remarks about a "crusade" against terrorism and for saying, as Dr Khatami put it, that "those who are with us are against terrorism, those who are against us are terrorists". This smacked of "Machiavellianism" and carried the danger of a clash between civilisations dominating geopolitics. This accusation came after Jack Straw and the European Union delegation who visited the President on Tuesday had gone out of their way to stress that this was precisely what the West wanted to avoid.

What Islamic terrorists are really afraid of is women By Boris Johnson, Telegraph, London

Manila Says Told by US War Could Last Two Years (Reuters)

Q&A: Nato's anti-terror role : Michael Evans, Defence Editor of The Times.

Neither infinite nor enduring, By AMRITA SHAH, IE


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 103 of 510 )
From Prince Chaudhuri

DANGEROUS MISTAKE

"Make no mistake....."

Famous words from U.S. President George W. Bush, illustrating America's resolve in punishing the terrorists of the world.

Who is America talking about?

The United States and the EU is making the Biggest Mistake by supporting Pakistan - 'The Cockpit of Global Terrorist Activity'.

The Taliban was created in Pakistani Madrassas or Islamic Schools, preaching violence, and barbaric customs & practices.

Pakistan is a Country, where Women are murdered by their Fathers, Husbands & even their children, in the name of - 'HONOUR KILLINGS'.

Architects of Kargil, and two disastarous wars against India, they have harboured,abetted & trained terrorists for the past twenty years, in an unholy war in Kashmir, Punjab and elsewhere.

These are part of a global terrorist network, that is responsible for the murderous attack on the WTC & the Pentagon.

Conveniently, however, the U.S & the EU today are falling over themselves to placate Pakistan for the use of bases to launch an attack on Bin Laden & the Taliban.

Any High School student in India could tell the Military Planners in the Pentagon that the root of the Problem lies in Pakistan and not in Afganistan.

Instead of wasting Billions of Dollars in a war where countless soldiers & innocent civilians will be killed, it would be prudent to warn Pakistan to Stop funding & harbouring terrorists, close all Terrorists training camps, hold elections, & return Pakistan occupied Kashmir(POK) to India.

Ignoring India's genuine concerns and re-arming Pakistan is a 'DANGEROUS MISTAKE'.

The War on terrorism can never be won by arming one country, ignoring all its crimes against another country, removing all sanctions, and providing unconditional aid, simply because the target is another country or another wanted man.

Afterall Osama Bin Laden is a creation of the ISI & the CIA. With Pakistan's turbulent history of coups & countercoups, its belligerent India-centric attitude, it is obvious that India, the World's Largest Democracy and a Nuclear Power is better placed to aid the U.S., EU & the world in the long, risky& uncertain War on terrorism


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 104 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
New terror to freedom
A Hidden Enemy Lies in Wait on Afghan Soil
Warriors tread warily in footsteps of Alexander
Saudi Royal Politics Are Quicksand for U.S.

"When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind."

J. Krishnamurti, "Freedom from the Known," pp.51-52
***

"All authority of any kind, especially in the field of thought and understanding, is the most destructive, evil thing. Leaders destroy the followers and followers destroy the leaders. You have to be your own teacher and your own disciple. You have to question everything that man has accepted as valuable, as necessary."

J. Krishnamurti, "Freedom from the Known," p.21
***

Bush Bin Bush... Button Bin Bush... Bandar-e-aazam de Imrika and Tony in bad company Blair... learning themselves for the first time perhaps... stating categorically that Islam mean Peace... and enlightening the other baboons... but here a kal ka chhorraa.. tell us on behalf of his gobar chhaap Hindu fanatic hoodlums... that 'India does not equate Islam with terrorism'... (baRii meharbaani!) to the 24 Arab and Central Asian countries at a meeting at New Delhi, Sep 28. chhoTa muNh aur baRii baat...


asim  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 105 of 510 )
I think being muslims we beleive that this act of tararisum is not allowed in Islam.Whoever did this are not muslims. But what is the falt of inocent afganies they have no food to eat and no work to done and now if us attack there they will be completely distroyed.I think we should make some alternative plane to shute the culprets in afganistan. ASIM ZAFAR

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 106 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
21st Century Warfare Edit...

What Muslim would write: 'The time of fun and waste is gone'? by Robert Fisk 29 September 2001

She is now regarded by Afghans as the one foreigner who understands them best. They call her "The Grandmother of Afghanistan...

Heat, dust and hunger in a sanctuary from hell By Raymond Whitaker in Peshawar 29 September

Cry of the hungry hawks grows louder : Hardliners have had enough of the restraint orchestrated by Colin Powell, writes Gay Alcorn. smh.com.au

Guerrilla War

Mao Tse-tung On Guerrilla Warfare 1. What Is Guerrilla Warfare?

Guerrilla Warfare :

a webcast...

"Please excuse me, the following is from the bowels of my mind. If it offends you, shoot me, I don't know what else to do with it except give it to you. Regards, bob twice.

"Power comes from the barrel of a gun," said Chairman Mao, but the medium of transmission of that power is our fear; a gun has no power over someone who is not afraid of death. We are afraid of death, and therefore we are afraid of power, so we seek power for ourselves but deny it, and live in conflict and contradiction.

As I write this, the world is still in shock, a few days after the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon in America. So far, it does not seem to have dawned on anyone that it is not possible to impose justice, retribution, or vengeance on people who have already died for their own cause. In the case of the perpetrators of these acts, it does not seem to me that they have conquered the fear of death. On the contrary, it is just that fear which leads them into a belief in the after-life, for which the are then prepared to die. But we in the west are not much better off. Our causes are democracy, freedom, our country, and we too are prepared to die to protect our life. We call it noble self-sacrifice, and so do the terrorists, and each looks for security in the greater fear of the other.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 107 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
conclding part...

It seemed somehow excessive to liken perpetrator to victim after I wrote the above, but the very next day, the American president was quoted as saying, "The American people understand that this crusade is going to take some time." Now a crusade is a holy war, and the only question remaining is whether it is the Christian God or Mammon, the God of free trade, that the Americans are fighting for. What is clear is that `crusade' and `jihad' refer to the same conflict and function in the same way.

Seeing the images of destruction on the television, there is a certain sense of excitement, like watching a disaster movie. For a moment my own fear is aroused and I feel more alive, but the more real it becomes to me, the more I start to want to get away from my fear and seek for security. I then want someone to make sure this never happens again – that is, never happens to me. For some reason, millions dying of AIDS in Africa doesn't affect me nearly as much as a few thousand dying in a terrorist attack in New York. It's a question of identification; or perhaps it's the amount of coverage. The same paper that had eight pages on the American disaster had three lines saying that six million people, most of them children are expected to die of AIDS in South Africa in the next so many years. In terms of dead bodies, that's the twin-towers every day for about three and a half years. Now there's an enemy worth fighting - there's a horror and outrage worth feeling!

All authority rests on the threat of violence and so depends on fear. If I have genuine respect for you, real affection, then I will freely and happily co-operate with you, there is no need for authority and I am not acting from fear, but government does not work like this, it acts from fear, and acts on fear. Thus it acts to increase fear. The attraction of authority for the individual is that it seems to offer security; in fact it only increases insecurity, but this is never immediately apparent. The authority of religion is no different in this respect to the authority of government, as my own inner conflict is no different from the conflict of the world.

The gun is an obvious phallic symbol, as are both the aeroplanes and the towers they penetrated, and the symbolic emasculation of the world by its own excess of symbolic penises is a devastating affront to all those who identify themselves with that particular form of male status symbol. But if we are looking at male sexual posturing, where is the female? Fear and desire, sex and violence, male and female, these things are all intertwined; there is no such thing as left without right. Any offers, mesdames?


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 108 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
The Bombing of the King David Hotel History of Terrorism, abcnews

July 22nd 1946: who says terrorism doesn't pay? Jewish extremists, led by future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, blow up Jerusalem's King David Hotel, headquarters for the British Army in Palestine. Ninety die. The bombing helped lead to the creation of the Jewish state two years later.

The Military Struggle for a Jewish State

Israeli Terrorism/ Facts and Figures (1)

Zionist terrorism: a strategy for State-making and ideological underpinnings by Khalil Osman

Israeli Terrorism/ Facts and Figures (2), ISRAEL”S SACRED TERRORISM

ISRAEL”S SACRED TERRORISM

Killing Civilians: Behind the Reassuring Words : Norman Solomon's Column @ Media Monitors Network

oh so Gary Hart had clearly warned of this all... two years ago,


Prem  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 109 of 510 )
Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra.
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Prem  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 110 of 510 )
Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra.
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Prem  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 111 of 510 )
Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra.
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RakeshPR  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 112 of 510 )
We talk and think a lot. Its time just to act now. If BJP cannot do that no other government can. Go ahead and take them all out. We are behind you. SOME SPINELESS POLITICIANS JUST WANT TO BE IN THE NEWS. IGNORE THEM. First eliminate all elements of harm from outside, then we will need to a lot of cleaning from inside.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 113 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
the gobar chaaps r makin' a fool of themselves and making a mess of foreign policy as about everything else... the Hijack drama 2 jaswant's hand shake spree... first bungled up job for Shahnawaaz...
isn't India exposed of its misery... disorganized as ever... laughing stock of the globe... wonder when ur patience run out on all these goof ups and bungling... but before that happens people's patience will be over... loll... enuff is enuff... do a favor to this country... resign... quit... leave...

Forget Kashmir for now, says US :Rising tensions between India and Pakistan over Kashmir threaten to undermine the US-led war against terror. By Christopher Kremmer, Herald Correspondent in Islamabad

THE INCOMPETENCE OF EMPIRE : Behind the 'intelligence failure' that led to 9/11

U.S. War Strategy Seeks to Minimize Use of Bases in Fragile Pakistan Michael R. Gordon and Eric Scmitt New York Times Service, IHT

Like the Taliban, America’s Middle East Allies Tyrannize Gays and Women Hate Crimes by Michelangelo Signorile, @ VillageVoice.com,

US troops ready to fly to Afghan border By Lutz Kleveman of London Telegraph in Tashkent (Filed: 04/10/2001)

The Crusades

crusaders seen from an Islamic point of view.

Web Links to Hiroshima

H I R O S H I M A : WAS IT NECESSARY?


gigabyte  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 114 of 510 )
Even though its a bit inhumane to think about Sept 11 as an opportunity, however I feel the Sept 11 attack on WTC and Pentagon only helps India. For long the US chosen ones have been refering to the terrorism being waged in Kashmir as violence, finally we have seen them calling it "Terrorism in Kashmir". Thats just the first step forward. India can now play the pressure game on Pakistan.

Even the bomb attack on the J&K assembly was a peice of bad strategy and bad timing. It couldnt have come at a worst time for Musharraf. He now has the unenviable task of laying off for sometime. He is in full glare of International media and one wrong step on this thin wire game can cost him darely.

India should learn from a machiavellian US government, who can go to any extent for saving their own interest. Its been a high time we have been worrying about international opinions and compromising on our security and our integrity. The proxy war is being waged on our land not on an internationally owned peice of scrapyard. Though international opinion is important we should be more aggressive when it comes to defending our homeland and our people.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 115 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
We will never be sacrificed, vows Sharon By Alan Philps and Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem (Filed: 05/10/2001)

What Can We Do About Terrorism? by Harry Browne October 5, 2001

Over 60 conservative(yuck!) columnists at your fingertips

Little Cyrus, big catch : Rooma Mehra

The danger of liberal imperialism, Blair's vision of a new world order is a moral absurdity based on colonial delusion... Hywel Williams Thursday October 4, 2001 The Guardian

The Bushes and the Palestinians: Act 2 AntiWar.Com

KU KLUX COULTER A spat on the Right reveals a lot Behind the Headlines by Justine Raimondo @ antiWar.com

'Bin Laden bought nuclear weapons' by Jeremy Campbell, thisislondon.com

Russian Airliner: Missile Strike Unlikely Explanation 2130 GMT, 011004

Summary

Investigators are seeking explanations for the mid-air explosion of a Russian airliner over the Black Sea on Oct. 4. Several hypotheses -- including terrorism or an accidental strike by a Ukrainian air defense missile -- circulated within hours of the explosion. Moscow has room to pin this crash on any of a number of potential perpetrators, possibly manipulating the tragedy for its own ends.

Analysis...

FBI, CIA Warn Congress of More Attacks As Blair Details Case Against Bin Laden Retaliation Feared If U.S. Strikes Afghanistan By Susan Schmidt and Bob Woodward Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, October 5, 2001


nobody  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 116 of 510 )
DEAR OSAMA B. LADEN ******************* Dear osama, When you got trained by US-a non islamic country according to you-was it not an enemy of islam?Now perhaps the definition of 'Islam's enemy'has been redifined and hence US is on your hitlist today! You basterd! what do you think of yourself? Actually US is not the enemy it is you the enemy No.1.One should appreciate your talent in misusing ALLAH for your sadistic pleasure.I pity the poor chap Allah.He has become a pawn in your hand! No faith has ever preached violence.Humanityis the base of all the faiths.You are making Islam the new synonym of haterd and violence.Allah will not spare you.He may be helpless for timebeing.But time will definitely come when you will be begging for mercy from Allah!Mind it. Bear it in mind that Islam is not a weak faith which needs a bastard like you to make others to fall in its line. Despite all these things I love you! Because I am a Muslim and being so I never hate to love my enemy and that is Islam which is all about love. O.K. that's all for now. See you in the Hell.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 117 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Syl Jones: Tone of New Patriotism is as dogmatic as the Old

The art of persuasion, Propaganda machines go into overdrive during times of strife, by Vinay Menon
Pop Culture Reporter , the Star


Blunder puts FBI suspects on internet, By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels (Filed: 06/10/2001)

US and Britain accused of creating heroin trail, War on terrorism: Drugs Trade, By Raymond Whitaker in Islamabad the Independent 06 October 2001

A CONFIDENTIAL FBI list of 370 people suspected of helping Osama bin Laden's terrorist network has leaked out.

The names, addresses, telephone numbers, e-mail, and social security codes of the suspects were posted on the internet by Finland's Financial Supervision Authority (RATA).


History of ends: India finds itself isolated : NEWS ANALYSIS/ CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA, TIMES NEWS NETWORK @ AntiWar.Com

Furious Bush hits back at Sharon... Suzanne Goldenberg in Hebron, West Bank and Julian Borger in Washington, Saturday October 6, 2001 The Guardian

Bin Laden's dangerous Mideast links, Sources tie him to Saudis, Egypt, Petros Papaconstantinou, Kathimerini, ATHENS, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 5, 2001

Robert Fisk: This loose conjecture is unlikely to cut much ice with the Arab nations, 05 October 2001

Speak No Evil The government can be expected to clam up in times of war -- but why are citizens muzzling themselves? by Brooke Shelby Biggs Oct. 4, 2001

50 years of zionist forgery and land grab


maulana  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 118 of 510 )
Sorry President Bush!You have finally fallen in the trap laid by Osama. By attacking Afghanistan, you have done exactly what Osama wanted you to do. While your missiles and bombers carpet the nation with the death, his cameramen would be busy taking clips of 'an infidel's brutality on Muslims' which would be used to ignite the sentiments of the muslims thoughout the world and would lead to polarisation of the nations and people of the world on the religious lines paving the way for the ultimate jehad, the WW-III , exactly what Osama wants.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 119 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
A 'Netwar' Clash, By David Ignatius Sunday, October 7, 2001; Washinton Post

What does seem likely is that we are witnessing the first "netwar." That phrase is drawn from a fascinating paper that was posted on the Internet last week by David Ronfeldt and John Arquilla of Rand. (It can be found at www.firstmonday.org.)

Déjŕ Vu: The FBI's Assault on Civil Liberties, By Ronnie Gilbert @ counterpunch.org

The world has been in ferment since September 11, but why weren't there similar outcries at earlier atrocities?

John Pilger, Thursday October 4, 2001 The Guardian

Death calls three times, Artyom Borovik a soldier's story, The Lundon Tames

Afghanistan from the Inside, A British physician describes the appalling state of Afghan healthcare, BY KATE NOBLE @ Time

Infinitely brutal, BY BEN MACINTYRE, The Tames Afghanistan has been invaded numerous times since the days of Alexander the Great. But as the West prepares for military intervention, it is perhaps worth remembering that a war never ends here; it merely evolves and mutates. Here we trace the tangled and violent history of the land that, yet again, has become the focus of world attention When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling

Mullah Omar - in his own words,Wednesday September 26, 2001 The Guardian :

This 12-minute interview with Mullah Omar Mohammad, the Taliban leader, was conducted in Pashtu for the publicly-funded radio channel Voice of America. The broadcast was pulled last Friday, following objections from the US deputy secretary of state and senior officials of the National Security Council.


anony730  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 120 of 510 )
Oil politics(and superpower officials mishandling of issues/and confused religious fanaticism) can lead to terrorism,fear of life,uncertainity for world and innocent deaths.Only possible in reality,who knows of other hidden variables/causes of terrorist game.Oil politics should be connected to nexus of whitecollar policy makers and corporate benefiters.Now mishandling of issues and inefficiency in human intelligence in protecting own people by both sides are being marketed in media as terrorism and religious fights. Why cant usa setup a world coilation to regulate oil prices/incidents in middle east,to see peace in middle east, and responsible to get terrorists as it has set up against terrorism now and put its soldiers at back home.East/west can decide these issues in forums.Islamic fundamentalists will have no reason to flare emotions.Attacks on any side will lead to a cycle of attacks and both parties stand to lose in long term.And lot of hidden forces will take benefit of enemity of both sides.War / attacks lead to not only terror,but also hatred/poision in hearts of people.Leaders should understand that and get to basics of problems.Human egos/psyche/emotions is imperfect and can be manipulated by outsiders for own benefits in a two party fight.And the day of attack showed that a superpower secret intelligence couldnot prevent lifes of its innocent people against terrorist attacks which are result of earlier policies of their government.And global economy,financial system can be destabilised by few terrorist attacks in a country.Let it be responsibilty of same east/west ciolation to prevetnt usa against future attacks against a shadowy enemy.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 121 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Latest reports on Beeb from major cities of Afghanistan say multiple US missile strikes have damaged Taleban offices and airports. Rahimullah Yusufzai from Peshawar (RealAudio)

Text of Osama bin Laden's statement, DUBAI, Oct 7 (AFP) - Monday October 8, 6:33 AM

Robert Fisk: War disturbs the most dangerous political tectonic plate in the world 08 October 2001

WARTIME MADNESS, A world gone bonkers @ AntiWar.Com

Tony Blair: The Mad Bomber of Kabul, Tony Blair has finally lost the plot

Terrorism and Blind Faith in Government by James Bovard

US gave silent blessing to Taliban rise to power: analysts WASHINGTON, Oct 7 (AFP) -

'The Afghans will strike the heart of America' War on Terrorism: Arab Nations' Reaction By Leyla Linton @ the independent 08 October 2001


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 122 of 510 )
From Arish K Sahani

'There Is No Terrorist Group In Pakistan'  

If Islam can produce people like Mushraff as We had Mohammad before the world is bound to be in trouble. God bless america and The world. It looks like Mwshraff has a capecity to lie a lot and live with that . I hope he gets some natural sleep. Pakistanis deserve leader like this who started a Kargil and toppled the govt and now planning to rule the pakistan with iran hand. Good LUck to pakistani public.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 123 of 510 )
From Sanjiv Desai

Blind To A Fault

Dear Mr. Raman, I think your article is one of the finest and most comprehensive pieces I have so far read by anyone about this whole "cowboy" type reaction of the US to what happened on September 11th. 

I truly wish there was some way for us to ensure that the think tanks in the Bush-Powell-Rice-Rumsfield quartet cold be made to read, assess and act on your analysis. Otherwise, I'm really scared of what an ignorant nation like the US in retaliatory "heat" could end up doing to this part of the world - another Israel-Palestine like situation. 

I shudder to even consider a future like that for us in India. I complement you once again on a masterful analysis. I hope you keep writing such pieces and will try my best to get it circulated amongst all my friends and family in the US to see if they can get some recognition from those in the US Government who might be able to use valuable analysis like this. 

All the best


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 124 of 510 )
From Dharmesh

Blind To A Fault

Hello Sir This excellent story and I belive that this was result of deep research and contribution of true Indian, please keep writing and if you can find a way to get this type of facts to american people who think their president will send some "rambo" and get this job done. 

When thousands are killed in J&K they say its India's internal matter and now when they tasted this poison they want every one around to choose their allies. Is this what we can expect from so called superpower of the world and even before the so called war against terror yet to start I see them shaking and using Northern Alliance in Afganistan as their shields,,, Take care my Raman and keep writing the facts


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 125 of 510 )
From Ashraf

Blind To A Fault

Hello: You Indians have a short memory. What Indians did in Bangla Desh is coming to haunt.

Pakistanis will have to avenge the break up of Pakistan. I am proud of  ISI who are trained by CIA to go get the Indians in Kashmir. 

Its too late for Indians to claim to be an ally of USA as Pakistanis have been ally of USA for last 50 yrs. 

Too bad the Russians are broke and broken super power.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 126 of 510 )
From Vinod John

Western Civilization?


Brilliant insight provided by Noam Chomsky as usual. Thanks to outlook to letting the world know!


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 127 of 510 )
From Anonymous

ISRAEL ATTACKED AMERICA!!!

As shocking as it may sound, the above stated statement is true!

CNN and other Media networks bombard us with facts that are carefully sandwiched between conclusions. Since an average viewer does not have the ability to constantly separate facts from conclusions, there comes a time when he begins to consume the entire discourse as a fact. This is something Noam Chomsky called "manufacturing consent."

To pin-point who is behind the bombing, one must separate the facts in the news, from the conclusions that are being drawn by analysts. Try asking yourself these questions ... · Who would like to bomb USA? United States is one country that has a very long list of enemies, so this question does not help us in pin pointing the attacker.

Who has the capacity to do it? Out of very this very long list of enemies, there are very few who are capable of planning an executing an action on such a large scale with this kind of success. The sheer scale of the attack rules out the possibility of this action being carried out "freelance militants" (like Bin Laden) and independent militant organizations (like Islamic Jihad and Hamas).

The world has seen the capacity in which these organizations and these individuals operate and it is nothing even close to what we are witnessing in New York and Washington. Usama bin Laden attacked USS Cole. Sinking a destroyer requires planning and resources that were not within the capacity of this man. He was able to blast a hole through the ship but could not sink it.

It doesn't not make sense to conclude that one man, who could not sink a destroyer, will succeed in destroying two large buildings in the heart of New York, successfully hijack at least four aircrafts and bomb highest military office in United States, cause a nationwide breakdown and make United States President go into hiding.

contd. in next


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 128 of 510 )
contd. from previous

Similar conclusion can be drawn of other "independent" militant organizations. It is true that some extremist militant organizations in Middle East would like to see this happen but we must keep in mind that these organization hate Israel more than they hate United States. If they could do something of this level they would have done it to Israel first. Militant attacks against Israel have so far been a few suicide bombings, most of whom in which the death toll could never exceed 100.

These organizations, that failed to kill a hundred people (or even close to that figure) in Israel, would be able to deliver such a devastating blow to a super power, miles away, in another continent. The only logical conclusion is that the action was carried out by a "nation state" that has a history of conducting very complicated, undercover operations. No one has claimed responsibility for it

Politically motivated violence is different from general crime because in the former, the perpetrator publicly admits that he was responsible for the act. It is in his interest to claim responsibility for his action because acts of violence are basically intended to send a warning or a message to the enemy. In the absence of this warning or the message, the cause of the attack itself is defeated. When an act of politically motivated violence is followed by silence and no one steps forward to claim responsibility then we should understand that something is wrong.

Things are not what they appear to be. This was the case in WTC bombing. All of United States traditional enemies, who have in past claimed responsibility for their attacks on their enemies have Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Talibaan Usama bin Laden, all of denied and condemned the attack. Furthermore we should notice that in the News so far, no evidence has been publicly revealed that would point out that the attacks were carried out by Usama bin Laden. All we are told is that "experts" believe that Usama bin Laden is responsible.

contd in next


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 129 of 510 )
cont. from previous

One should ask, that in the absence of any solid evidence, how can these "experts" come to such a conclusion. · Who will benefit from it? So far the only party that seems to be benefiting from the present scenario is Israel. It was the term "Islamic terrorism" that gave Israel legitimacy in her war against Palestinians. In the last few years a series of incidents took place that diluted the "psychological impact" of the term. First, photographs of children getting killed in Middle East by Israeli troops gave this country a strong negative image.

Secondly, the recent withdrawal of Israel from the International Racism Conference further damaged its world wide image. In the light of these incidents, something was needed to revive the meaning of the term "Islamic Terrorism", the term that has given Israel the only legitimacy in their war.

HOW CAN EHUD BARAK APPEAR IN THE BBC OFFICE JUST MINUTES AFTER THE FINAL BOMBING WITH A PRE-PREPARED INTERVIEW??? The bombings took the world by surprise. Military officials, Government figures, leaders of foreign states all appeared on television and were clearly in a state of shock. Taliban could not arrange an English speaking person on such a short notice, to appear for their interview on CNN.

While the whole world was stunned former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak appeared from BBCs main office in London with a pre written/ pre prepared speech. He spent 30 minutes speaking about how dangerous some "Islamic" countries and terrorists are.

At the end of the interview, the news reporter stated that Mr. Barak joined him an hour before it was broadcasted, meaning Barak was there even an hour earlier. In real time of events this means he was there within minutes of the blast, with a pre-written interview. He knew beforehand that the bombings will take place. It was not difficult to see that Barak came with a pre written speech as he is quick to piont out all of Israels enemies which he calls "rogue states".

The answers to the interview were carefully prepared to use public sentiments created by the blast, against enemies of Israel. These could not have been developed between the time bombing took place and Barak appeared on BBC. Barak's presence in UK could also not have been co-incidental at that crucial time.

SEE HOW THIS FITS INTO THE FLOW OF WORLD EVENTS Palestinian and Israeli clashes were seen all over the world as mass oppression of an ethnic community by a militarized state. Israel's recent withdrawal from International Conference on Racism was a severe dent to its international image.

After this withdrawal and incidents of violence in the Middle East, a diversion was needed, that would not just divert public attention from Middle Eastern to another continent but also revive the meaning the term, "Islamic Terrorism". Furthermore, it would pull a super power in a direct conflict against Israel's traditional enemies.

Mossad, Israeli intelligence has very carefully executed this operation to discredit its enemies on a global level but in the process it made a very crucial mistake. They did everything too perfectly! We wont get to hear this side of the story in the Western Media because media industry in the West is in the hands of Jews who have strong sympathies for the state of Israel.

May Allah give us the wisdom to see the truth and the courage to act on it when we see it! "We live in a society where almost everything we see hear and read is monitored by those who control the media. Before we confront our problems effectively, we must understand that someone, or some group is manipulating our reality. We must free ourselves from their control and discover the truth."


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 130 of 510 )
From Salman Ansari

The Kingdom Of Corruption  

The whole story is nothing based based on hatred against Whababi movement. The author has very narrow minded approach. Thanks


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 131 of 510 )
From Edward Clayton

On September 11, I and my fellow Americans had a large taste of what India and many other countries have suffered for many years, the evil of terrorism. 

We have learned a valuable lesson, that we are not immune from attack, we are shocked by what happened to us, but we are not afraid. The good people of the world outnumber the terrorists, and always will. They will always be outnumbered, they will always have to hide from us. 

People like Osama Bin Laden do not have the ability to walk down the street in freedom like most of us for fear of being recognized and apprehended. 

Their evil actions are the bars of their cages. The shame is theirs. Good luck to you, India; good luck to all of us. 

Edward Clayton Dallas, Texas, U.S.A.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 132 of 510 )
From B.Vatul

'There Is No Terrorist Group In Pakistan'
 

Well, realistically he cannot take responsibility and if he takes he will be out (Perhaps will buy his house back in Old Delhi). He was really at pain during the interview which I saw on CNN. I hope truth will dawn on him.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 133 of 510 )
From M.James

The Necessity Of Skepticism

Outlook-India should not borrow articles from overseas writers, as such writing are good for the countries they live in like USA but not good for India. 

India and majority community in India also has a very different view of Islam as is seen very often expressed by Imam Bukhari Saheb of Jama Masjid of Delhi in India. His latest announcment about Osama Bin Laden is latest example. 

Its better if OutLook India restrict it writings to the limits of the nation and its culture.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 134 of 510 )
From Mishra

13 Questions

Most of the questions are downright stupid. There could have been three questions or four.

And the one about Negroponte is just ludicrous. The Amricans are running a state there, a complex, huge state with even more complex chain of interests to protect.

Nations and nations states were born out of far lesser emotions than is generally believed. And guarding national interests is a dirty job.

How about asking Indian media a few questions about the way it covers the J&K question?

How about calling for a plebiscite as a solution? The US media is shamelessly partisan, but so is the Indian. Let's ask ourselves a few questions first. And let them not be so idiotic as the 13 asked of Mr Bush here.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 135 of 510 )
From Dr. M.Banerjee 

'There Is No Terrorist Group In Pakistan'

The biggest joke of the millenium!!!!!!!!!


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 136 of 510 )
From ajayp

Other Terrorisms
 

Indians have been poor, will be poor and deserve to be in this shape because of their attitude. Where does it say we have to feed them forever even if they do not work. Can any one gaurantee to feed them for 100 years. Indians need to leave the self pity, socialist and communist mentality. If they can not stand the heat - get out of the bl--dy Kashipur and move where jobs are to feed your family. Rajasthani do it, Marwari do it, Punjabi and Sindhi do it. Even biharis leave as labourers to distant land in search of work to feed their families. Let Kashipur rot.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 137 of 510 )
From DANISH

There is an urgent need to honestly and fairly define terrorism before moving forward to eliminate it otherwise safety of innocents the world over will remain a dream.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 138 of 510 )
From Damo Chittibabu 

The Fatwa Of No

Its about time we heard more voices like this from within the Muslim community. Each religion has to fight its own demons. I am baffled by reading about Imam Bhukari calling for all muslims to support the Taliban.


Admin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 139 of 510 )
From ajayp 

Revenge Comes Home

Ms Sonia Just read your piece. I do not fully agree with you. We in N. America have a lot of freedom. Just imagine a non-muslim doing something like this (events of Sept 11/01). Not only will they be publically executed, but the whole community would be wiped from that country. In USA, we have muslim groups who support these Jihadis, mostly financially. I think if it can be proved that any body has given money to these terrorists, he or she should be charged with 6000 counts of murder. Muslims should not be taking advantage of all the freedoms of Western world yet wanting to establish Islamic states.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 140 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Weapons Used
If the U.S. hates terrorists, why do we keep arming them? by Steve Dasbach

Ariel Sharon has declared war on the USA. It can’t be defined any other way
Premature articulation? Geoff Metcalf

Who Said History Stopped Being Ironical?, ...About War in Afghanistan By Tariq Ali

Pakistan trembles, Oct 8th 2001, From The Economist Global Agenda

Robert Fisk: Lost in the rhetorical fog of war, 'The Taliban have kept reporters out; does that mean we have to balance this distorted picture with our own half-truths?'

The disinformation campaign, Western media follow a depressingly familiar formula when it comes to the preparation of a nation for conflict : Phillip Knightley, Thursday October 4, 2001, The Guardian

Feds enlist Hollywood for spook theories

Doctors Without Borders calls U.S. food drops 'propaganda'/ The Associated Press


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 141 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
OCTOBER 13 ACTIONS Oppose The Star Wars Program and War in Central Asia : Bruce Gagnon

"Recent events show that the use of violence to resolve human conflict only creates more hatred and more killing," said Bruce Gagnon, Coordinator of the Global Network. "Instead of moving toward creating more global stability through multilateral arms control agreements and economic justice, the U.S. is now moving toward 'control and domination' of space that will give it the military capability to literally win all wars on the Earth. This is being viewed by most nations in the world as a dangerous unilateral step that in the end will create more global chaos."

According to Global Network Board member Regina Hagen in Germany, "The picture is becoming clearer all the time. 'Missile defense' is the Trojan horse - the foot in the door - the way to sell Star Wars as a defensive system. Then, once missile defense is deployed, the Space-Based Laser program would be put into motion. In the end, hundreds of billions of dollars will be wasted in order to help the U.S. Space Command become the 'Master of Space'. Now is the time for people around the world to act in order to keep space for peace. War in space will mean more war on the Earth below."

Say what you want, but this war is illegal By MICHAEL MANDEL, professor of law at Osgoode Hall Law School in Toronto, specializes in international criminal law.

Bush's war plans likely to violate international law by SIDDHARTH VARADARAJAN


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 142 of 510 )
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The war Bin Laden has already won, Jonathan Freedland Wednesday October 10, 2001, The Guardian

Robert Fisk: Bush and Blair have already lost the talking war across the Middle East, The Independent UK, 10 October 2001

Into Pakistan's maelstrom Tariq Ali in The Guardian
Nato chief LORD Robertson of Port Ellen, warns of 'poor man's nuclear bomb' risk FROM RICHARD CLEROUX IN OTTAWA, Lundon Tames. 10th Oct.

Folly of Aid and Bombs by George Monbiot, reprint de Guardian of London
A World Too Intoxicated by the Wine of War by John Balzar, Los Angeles Times
"OSAMAGATE"

Terence Blacker: This is a caring war - we weep as we bomb, Independent 10 October 2001

British unease over US plans to widen conflict, War against terrorism: Strategy, By Kim Sengupta and Marie Woolf The Independent.

Immensity of the war emerges SMH

Text of Al-Qaida's statement on attacks by United States By Associated Press, 10/9/2001 20:40

They opted to bomb, it had better work, SIMON JENKINS, Tames.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 143 of 510 )
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Forget Islam: bin Laden is no more than a spoilt rich kid, By Robert Harris, The Telegraph

The quality of mercy: food drops in minefields Aid agencies say the US relief operation is dangerous and cynical, Christopher Kremmer reports. SMH

Land war land mines : Paul Greenberg in Washington Times.

Afghanistan and Chinese Power : China's Choices in Afghanistan, an American in China, Sascha Matuszak

BioPort of Lansing hasn't made new anthrax vaccine since 1998 because it's failed to meet FDA standards. FDA rules stand in way of vaccines : Producers struggle in the war against biological weapons By Elizabeth Neus / Gannett News Service

Musharraf On The Brink by Cedrik Muhammed

THE ANTHRAX WAR : The new meaning of 'escalation'… Bin Laden suddenly a secondary concern : It suited the United States to put a face on terror, but now the bombs are falling, its message is changing. Analysis by Gay Alcorn Click the map to enlarge, SMH


shruthi  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 144 of 510 )
Revenge - is it always fair? Revenge- the very word brings a kind of satisfaction to a mind that has witnessed injustice and learnt things the hard way in life. The word is not only a strong expression of the uneasy human mind but also one of the instruments, which can make the same man do anything in want of justice. And knowing man’s nature, his selfishness won’t let him think twice about his actions. The world today is facing crisis in every field including politics, economic and religious fields. And we can’t blame anyone else but ourselves for these. These crisis have surfaced only after the attacks at the WTC but were long rooted in the society only waiting for a chance to surface. And here we are today heading towards the 3rd world war. The attack at the WTC was to avenge revenge from the US of A for reasons best known to the political leaders or rather the people who attacked the trade centers. But if we think practically, these attacks make no sense. In fact, they only bring about more unhappiness and discomfort in the world we live. The Talibans wanted to avenge revenge from the people of the US of A. Which people? The set of the Americans who treated them with injustice. They are right in their own place, no doubt. But then why did they have to take the lives of the hundreds of people who had no role to play in the conflicts between the two nations. Yet they attacked the WTC and killed hundreds of their own species, bringing harm not only in terms of political or economic field but also helping us in hindering the progress of mankind. It is very well said that history repeats itself. The Americans on their part also did attack Afghanistan not killing the terrorists but the laymen. The actual people who attacked the WTC are put up in some corner of the nation with several people protecting them. And on the other hand the Americans are providing the Afghanistanis with ration so that they need not starve to death. Looking at the whole issue from the viewpoint of an individual with a good capability to think, who would not find this funny? First you bring about destruction in the place destructing the whole area but the actual area that is to be attacked and killing scores of people in the process. And then you provide the people with basic necessities so that they don’t starve to death. But if you don’t want the people to die, why attack them in the first place? If you think this is happening for the first time in the world history then you stand corrected. Because almost all the crisis the world has witnessed till date are because of man’s arrogance and ego hassles that stop him from learning through his past. To err is human; to forgive is divine. So I agree man has all the rights to commit a mistake but should he not at the same time accept them gracefully and make an attempt not to repeat the same? There is no animal superior to man. So he has to commit the mistake and rectify the same himself. The world faced sad situations during the first half of the last century witnessing the two world wars and the new millennium and century are here today on the verge of starting with a fresh world war. Today we seem to be observing gradual destructions in and around our lives. Tomorrow when the world itself is on the brink of disaster let’s hope we don’t regret for not having acted when we were given an opportunity but failed to understand it’s significance. Remember, it’s not too late now.

Shruti Ved, 41,Vaibhav Apartments, 4th Floor, 85 Gandhi Bazaar Main Road, Basvangudi, Bangalore – 560 004. Tel: 6613910.


rcb  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 145 of 510 )
(Ruth Benjamin)Referring to whats happening now as the 'terror cycle' is apt. How hard is it to see that what is perceived as terror by one will breed retaliatory terror by another. Correct me if I'm wrong in suggesting that Hate, revenge, misunderstanding, and the inablity to effectively negotiate or start again, is what lies at the root of terror. Without undermining the U.S's noble intentions in the fight for enduring freedom, what exactly will they achieve...?If it is an end to hate, and anti-american sentiments they want- phase 1 (on afghanistan) and the highly speculative phase 2 (possibly on Iraq or Syria) is not exactly going to bring the world closer to any sort of solution. Of course America can so-to-speak 'terrorize' upset Islamic states into shutting up, but how long term of a solution will that be? Even if it is -is that the sort of solution we want...? If there was ever a time for love, and forgiveness, and nonviolence, it is now. What a pity that the values we uphold and apply with such high priority to our personal relationships cannot even be considered when it comes to countries...

thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 146 of 510 )
USA and UK are doing a very good thing in AFGANISTAN . But it will be baetter if they nuke both pakistan and afganistan . The world should unite against the muslim satans . There is urgent need of another world war to finish of these muslim pigs . Why should the attack be confined to Afganistan only ??

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 147 of 510 )
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U.S.-Pakistan Alliance Shows Signs of Strain, David E. Sanger New York Times Service IHT

Robert Fisk: Who is copying who in war of words?

US Supreme Court Justice Sandra O’Connor says "personal freedom" will be curbed

Israel vs bin Laden in information war By Herb Keinon

Kyrgyzstan: Future Front in Anti-Terrorism War 2200 GMT, 011010

'There isn't a target in Afghanistan worth a $1m missile' Mohamed Heikal, the Arab world's foremost political commentator, talks to Stephen Moss, Mohamed Heikal, Guardian

At U.S. Request, Networks Agree to Edit Future bin Laden Tapes By BILL CARTER and FELICITY BARRINGER

'CNN of Arab world' upsets all sides By Peter Hermann, The (Baltimore) Sun

Gun battle on Pakistan border (AP)

The Bombing Begins by Chalmers Johnson, Special to Antiwar.com

What Is To Be Done? There are lots of Americans who would like an alternative to prolonged war. Is there one? by Steve Perry

Proud to be a pacifist By Lewis Green Special to The Seatle Times

Traders bring back eye-witness accounts of bombing, Paul Gallagher In Peshawar for thescotsman.co.uk

Bin Laden's Felt-Skinned Henchman? ...Do the global terror links reach even as far as Sesame Street? Is Bert the Muppet a henchman of terrorist mastermind Usama bin Laden?

A University of B.C. women's studies professor who criticized U.S. foreign policy has been accused of a hate crime -- publicly inciting hatred against Americans.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 148 of 510 )
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The Clash of Ignorance : Edward Said

Defiant Al-Jazeera says it won't back off broadcasting bin Laden By Jaber Al-Harmi, Associated Press, 10/11/2001 12:20

Sharon's Strategy Would Lead to World War by Samuel Francis @ Anty War

Dominic Nutt : West risks culpability for a massive tragedy

History weighs heavily against foreign intervention War against terrorism: Abu Sayyaf By Richard Lloyd Parry

a group of activists in St. Petersburg say they cannot remain silent.

Lone Senator thwarts Dubya's anti-terror excesses By Thomas C Greene in Washington Posted: 11/10/2001 at 06:23 GMT

Blair knocked off course by Saudi rejection BY PHILIP WEBSTER AND RICHARD OWEN IN CAIRO

Robert Fisk: Egypt is a nation caught between Islam and the West

When Osama Met the Taliban, Who introduced them? Our intelligence "allies," Pakistan's Interservices Intelligence Agency.

New York Mayor Rejects Saudi Prince's Donation

Not news, just propaganda BY MAGNUS LINKLATER, No one reports from Kabul. And that suits generals fine

Bombing curbed to stop Alliance taking Kabul War against terrorism: Strategy By Raymond Whitaker

Hawkish US stance threatens fragile coalition By Mark Riley, Herald Correspondent in New York US anger at lax Saudi response BY ROLAND WATSON , Times


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Bush whips up a desert storm Playing to the crowd ... President George Bush raises spirits at Yankee Stadium, New York. Photo: Al Bello/ALLSPORT The US is walking into the Middle East trigger-happy and its former Arab allies are too scared to help. The situation is ripe for chaos, writes Gay Alcorn, Herald Correspondent in Washington. SMH

The Beeb : Bin Laden's Oxford days

US deploys controversial weapon B-52s scour country for troop convoys to attack by Richard Norton-Taylor

'FBI tipped off before attacks' War against terrorism: US warnings prior to September 11 By Hugh Dougherty in New York. The Independent

Pakistan is on brink of anarchy Irish Times

Bombing victim tells how US raid hit village The Times. FROM STEPHEN FARRELL IN PESHAWAR AND ZAHID HUSSAIN IN ISLAMABAD

On Syria's election as UN Security council non- permanent member, Syria, Arab News, 10/12/2001

Why Kofi Annan Won the Peace Prize The U.N. chief has established himself as the world's conscience BY TONY KARON

Anthrax: one of the apartheid state's deadly weapons


thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 150 of 510 )
Change in Bangla Govt Fresh influx to Tripura From Manas Paul AGARTALA, Oct 12 — Thousands of Hindu minorities, Awami League workers and leaders are crossing over to Tripura following unprecedented terror let loose by the ruling BNP and its allies in Bangladesh. There were reports of sporadic incidents of Bangladesh nationals crossing over to Tripura from the day the caretaker government took over the charge before elections. But of late, after the results were declared the influx has increased alarmingly as the ruling BNP and Islamic fundamentalists intensified atrocities on the Hindus and the Awami League workers.

thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 151 of 510 )
A primary estimate indicated at least 2000 Bangladesh nationals, mostly Hindus from one of the most disturbed districts, Feni, (Bangladesh) have taken shelter in their relatives’ houses in several parts of Belonia and Sabrum, bordering subdivisions in South Tripura like Ekinpur, Nalua, Gauranga Bazar, Dimatali, Krishnanagar, Betaga, Jolaibari Manu, Chittakhola, Rajnagar etc Begum Khaleda Zia has won from a sat in Feni district. The Bangladeshi nationals and Awami League leaders who fled to Tripura while speaking to the reporters on condition of anonymity give brutal accounts of atrocities committed on them by the ruling alliance partners. “While girls are being raped in front of their parents, the male folks are being murdered or assaulted mercilessly. Hindu religious institutions are being either burnt down or damaged,” said one villager from Machhimpur under Dagan Bhuiyan Upajela.

thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 152 of 510 )
Detailing a specific instance of brutality and the prevailing reign of terror, he said, “on October 3, BNP activists stormed the residence of Sunil Nath of Machhimpur village in Sindurpur union of Dagan Bhuiyan upajela. When Sunil Nath failed to fork out the demanded money, they gangraped her married daughter in front of him. The girl’s husband is at present in Italy.” Similar attacks were committed in the house of Bashiram Sarkar, Jiban Master, Chhotan Majumdar, Gopal Majumdar and Palsh Majumdar at Altali village in the same Dagan Bhuiyan Upajela. About 20 families from Machhimpur and Altali only fled to Tripura through Ekinpur border. On October 4, one Mahendra Nath of Bohitia village of Kajir Bag was beaten to death in broad day-light. His family has also taken shelter in Belonia.

The villagers who crossed over to Belonia said, Islamic fundamentalists also attacked Hindu temples and institutions. Loknath Baba Ashram at Matiganj was damaged while Charan Saha Bhikahri Guruchakra Mandir was destroyed. While Hindu minorities are being targeted by the ruling BNP and its allies on the plea that they were traditional supporters of Awami League, the former ruling party leaders and workers belonging to majority community are also fleeing to escape the attacks.


thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 153 of 510 )
SO FOR GOD'S SAKE , HINDU BROTHERS , DON'T BELIEVE THE MUSLIMS . THEY ARE OUR ENEMIES AND ARE PLANING TO KILL ALL THE HINDUS IN INDIA , BANGALDESH AND PAKISTAN . TIME HAS COME TO UNITE US AGAINST THE MUSLIM PIGS . WE MUST TAKE WEAPONS TO DEAL WITH THEM . HAIL USA , HAIL ISARAEL , HAIL UK . JAI HIND . LET US START OUR WAR TO WITH PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH . WE MUST PROTECT OUR HINDU BROTHERS .

thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 154 of 510 )
TERROR CYCLE IS IN BANGLADESH .....On October 6, 2000, Muslim devotees, after offering namaaz at the Gajipur Jama Masjid, strolled across to the Hindu Kali temple, destroyed the puja pandal, smashed the idols, and desecrated the prasad. They were armed with axes, knives, swords and sticks (collected so quickly on their exit from the mosque) and continued the jehad by looting nearby Hindu-owned shops. On October 1, 1998, Muslims attacked the Durga procession at Agrabad with firearms and bombs. Over a hundred Hindus were injured as the Islamists destroyed 20 trucks carrying images of the Goddess.

thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 155 of 510 )
TERROR CYCLE IN BANGLADESH ......On March 29, 2000, Malarani Roy of Karagola village was abducted by Muslims. She was brutally beaten up and gang-raped. The local police found her, but refused to register a case. On June 26, a group of Muslims directed Smriti Rani Saha of Sirajganj town to migrate to India. When she refused, she was abducted, gang-raped and brutally murdered. On November 29, 1999, teenaged Ranjana Roy of Chandpur city was abducted by Shibli Noman, who forced her to convert to Islam and marry him. On July 25, 1998, Muslims abducted Sheema Rani Sarkar and released her 45 days later after receiving ransom from her husband. Not only was Sheema repeatedly raped but she was also converted to Islam. On May 26, 2000, Indrajit Kumar Biswas of Harishpur was stabled to death by a Muslim gang. On May 28, Debasish Saha of Poradaha was fatally shot by a Muslim gang. On June 4, Mayaram Tripura of Balipara was shot dead by local Muslims.

thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 156 of 510 )
TERROR CYCLE IN BANGLADESH ...I URGE MS ARUNDHATI ROY TO WRITE AN ESSAY ON THE PLIGHT OF HINDUS IN PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH .

thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 157 of 510 )
TERROR CYCLE IN BANGLADESH AND PAKISTAN ..Take a look at the figures of the Hindu population of our good neighbours; why did it dwindle...?

Year Pakistan Bangladesh 1941 Approx 25% Approx 30% 1948 Approx 17% Approx 25% 1991 Approx 1.5% Less than 10%


thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 158 of 510 )
Take a look at the figures of the Hindu population of our good neighbours; why did it dwindle...?

HINDU POPULATION IN PAKISTAN ( IN 1941 25 % , 1948 17 , 1991 LSS THA 1.5 %) . HINDU POPULATION IN BNGLADESH ( 1941 , 30% , 1948 25% , 1991 LESS THAN 10 % )


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 159 of 510 )
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...time to do what John would have done. Sing for peace... would have sung All we are saying... is give peace a chance...

Give Peace A Chance (1969) John Lennon & Paul McCartney

Two, one two three four Ev'rybody's talking about Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m.

All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance

C'mon Ev'rybody's talking about Ministers, Sinisters, Banisters and canisters Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes, And bye bye, bye byes.

All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance

Let me tell you now Ev'rybody's talking about Revolution, evolution, masturbation, flagellation, regulation, integrations, meditations, United Nations, Congratulations.

All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance

Ev'rybody's talking about John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary, Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper, Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer, Alan Ginsberg, Hare Krishna, Hare, Hare Krishna

All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance


They feature a pair of smashed, blood-stained glasses, alongside the words: "Over 676,000 people have been killed by guns in the USA since John Lennon was shot and killed on December 8, 1980."

Yoko said in the statement that the figure was "10 times larger than the total number of American soldiers lost in the Vietnam War".

She said in the statement that the figure was "10 times larger than the total number of American soldiers lost in the Vietnam War".

"It's like we are living in a war zone," she added.

"I want us all to realise that, so hopefully the healing process can begin. John would have wanted to say this to you."


Let's have peace T-shirts, some quotes from the counter culture

Give Peace a Chance by Jon Wiener, The Nation

Follies of the Front, Humourous Incidents of the First World War

More Lennon Lyrics

Quotes for Peace


ponq2  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 160 of 510 )
10/13/01

Dear Sir/ Madam:

In the aftermath of the events of Sept 11, 01 at the World Trade Center New York, "Project Learning Communities" (PLC) is hosting a global econference on SHARING AND CARING.

Share n Care link: http://homepage.mac.com/SharenCare/

The link provides for free registration, links to reading material and other information.

I invite your participation in the conference.

I also request that the conference information may be passed on to any person(s) who may have a potential interest in it; they are welcome to participate in the conference.

Thanking you, Sincerely yours, Dr. M. Radh Achuthan Convener, PLC.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 161 of 510 )
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America's Last Taboo By Edward W. Said

WAR STRATEGY: Battle of Kabul delayed by US row with Pakistan Tony Allen-Mills, Stephen Grey, Washington, Michael Sheridan, Islamabad, sunday-times.co.uk

US admits lethal blunders Village is wiped out as 2,000lb of Allied explosives miss Taliban target War on Terrorism: Observer special

Surprise at large turnout for national anti-war rally By Cole Moreton, 14 October 2001

'It was if the rocks themselves were on fire', Eye witness, Richard Lloyd Parry hears first-hand survivors' tales of the bombing

Riding out the shockwaves Neena Vyas in The Hindu

Text of the Al-Qaeda message

MEDIA SPIN REVOLVES AROUND THE WORD "TERRORIST" By Norman Solomon

Iraq 'behind US anthrax outbreaks' The Observer

Nuclear chiefs refuse to halt trains 'at risk' By Geoffrey Lean, The Independent


arvela  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 162 of 510 )
Did Atta and his group destroy the twin towers because it is not only the symbol of Western Capital but also a sacrilege? ..the WTC was an extra tall copy of the most holy K'aba of Mecca!

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 163 of 510 )
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Terrorists should be tried in court, Bombing civilians will only lead to further atrocities by Imraan Khan in a akhbaar-e-inglistaan

Fearing Fallout of Afghan Chaos, Pakistanis Harden to U.S. Strikes : Pamela Constable Washington Post Service, iht.com Monday, October 15, 2001

Beaten by Taleban, bombed out of home, what next? Paul Gallagher, thescotsman.co.uk

Robert Fisk: Slaughter of the innocent bolsters view that this is war against Islam

William Dalrymple: Two civilisations entwined in history

FWD: How Carter and Brzezinski Helped Start the Afghan Mess

Anxious About Anthrax A few cases do not an epidemic make. But they’re unprecedented; worry over what’s next is contagious By Sharon Begley and Michael Isikoff, NEWSWEEK

THE ORIGINS OF BIOLOGICAL WARFARE

THE PEACENIKS : They're (almost) as bad as the warmongers by Justine Raimondo


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 164 of 510 )
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Tariq Ali: Yes, there is an effective alternative to the bombing of Afghanistan 'A lesson could have been learnt from Israel's patient stalking, capture and trial of Adolf Eichmann' 15 October 2001

The Case for American Empire: The most realistic response to terrorism is for America to embrace its imperial role. by Max Boot

Of Sin, the Left & Islamic Fascism Minority Report, by Christopher Hitchens

Pentagon split over war plan Generals at odds with politicians on strategy

The age of anxiety has descended : Life is being redefined in an America that is suddenly shackled by uncertainties ABHIK SIDDIQUI


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 165 of 510 )
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...Folksinger Woody Guthrie once improvised a verse about a visit from the FBI. "Will you bear a gun for your country?" the feds demanded, suspecting Woody of being weak on that most revered of American qualities, patriotism. Woody, despite whatever the FBI suspected, was not unpatriotic. True, he rejected the superficial, wave-the-flag, rally around the president style of patriotism that comedian George Carlin calls patriotism for the symbol-minded. Woody's patriotism was closer to Mark Twain's idea: loyalty to the country always; loyalty to the government when it deserves it -- more along the lines of what the founding fathers had in mind. Woody calmly assured the agents that yes, indeed, he would bear a gun for his country. And then, as they turned to leave, he added: "I just can't say in which direction I'll point it." Jefferson would have applauded. Were he alive today, Woody might give the verse a topical slant, something like this: The FBI arrives at Woody's door and, parroting the president, demands to know, "Are you with us or against us?" "I'm against terrorism," Woody replies. As the agents turn to leave, Woody adds: "I just can't say whether I'm with the president."

Free speech has become war casualty

Sharon may find himself on the wrong side of history

MEDIA ADVISORY: Networks Accept Government "Guidance"

Muslim allies break ranks with US : Muslim allies Saudi Arabia and Pakistan break ranks with US over bombing

Deadly spores, crazy scares: a world on the edge of panic By David Usborne in New York


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 166 of 510 )
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''Taliban have not become weaker... they hide, only the civilians suffer'' By Peter Popham in Peshawar, the Independent

U.N. investigator condemns bombing of Afghanistan. Yahoo Monday October 15, 9:33 PM

COLUMN ONE : Training Camp of Another Kind : In Pakistan, defiant young Afghan women bent on reversing years of brutal oppression study and plan. To them, the conflict has no good guys. By RONE TEMPEST, Times Staff Writer

Do We Choose Death or Peace? by Harry Browne October 16, 2001

Is an Oil Pipeline Behind the War in Afghanistan?

''With us or against us'' is a false dichotomy


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 167 of 510 )
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Net: Now Our Most Serious News Medium?

‘Mind your e-mail language’

Hamburg: As the worldwide hunt for terrorists who staged devastating attacks in America a month ago intensifies, the use of key words in personal e-mails is best avoided, a leading German computer magazine writes.

The use of words like ‘Taliban’ or ‘revenge against America’ could lead to the e-mails being read by intelligence services sifting the Internet for clues, according to the magazine tomorrow published in the northern port of Hamburg.

The American Federal Bureau of Investigation uses a snooper programme called ‘Carnivore’ which is built-in by Internet providers. Messages are scanned for words on a list of 1,100 suspicious entries, said the magazine. The only way to avoid such possible eavesdropping is if the e-mail is routed by a provider outside the US, said the article. – DPA

Don't drag God into battle : Christianity, Judaism and Islam have much in common, writes Michael McGirr. SMH

India fumes at Powell's pitch over Kashmir : By Christopher Kremmer, Herald Correspondent in Islamabad. SMH

No Glory in Unjust War on the Weak : By BARBARA KINGSOLVER

Peace & Patriotism : Why the old formulas may not work this time, Tough fight for anti-war movement

Kidding Ourselves by John Keller


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 168 of 510 )
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Bin Laden 'to take part in television interview' Video would be delivered by al-Jazeera, Audrey Gillan in Washington Wednesday October 17, 2001 The Guardian

Robert Fisk: Promises, promises ...Colin Powell tells Pakistan's General Musharraf that he will help solve the problem of Kashmir. Tony Blair offers Yasser Arafat the vision of a Palestinian state. But should we take them at their word? History shows that assurances made in wartime aren't always everything they seem

The US, founded to protect basic freedoms, is now insisting that its critics are its enemies. by George Monbiot

Report links Real IRA to bin Laden FROM ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN AND DANIEL MCGRORY, The Times

The Afghan Quagmire Beckons or How Not to Intervene in Afghanistan by Christopher Deliso

THE MUSHARRAF SOLUTION 'Take him out,' he says – and then get out

India 'might strike in Pakistan' By Rahul Bedi in New Delhi (Filed: 17/10/2001)

Stench of death in a flattened village : Zeeshan Haider of Reuters in Khorum, Afghanistan

ESCAPE FROM THE LOGIC OF WAR : by Pierre Lemieux


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US buys Afghan image rights By BBC News Online science editor Dr David Whitehouse, ...has six imaging satellites already in orbit, augmented by a seventh launched a few days ago. ...Four of the satellites are called Keyholes and can see details as small as 10 centimetres (4 inches) across.

THE DEMOGRAPHIC BOMB By Maggie Gallagher

EU: U.N. Must Take Lead Afghan Role

Bush's mixed message on women By Derrick Z. Jackson

SOME SAY POTATO By William F. Buckley Jr.

Afghans the victims of US terrorism, THE IRISH TIMES

INTERVIEW: JEAN-JACQUES GRAISSE :Afghans' Food Angel, With millions on the edge of acute hunger and the bite of a bitter Afghani winter, the World Food Programme's deputy chief, Jean-Jacques Graisse faces a daunting task.

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Three ways to reach bin Laden - The Times (UK) (Oct 11, 2001) Graphic#3


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 170 of 510 )
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Bin Laden letters order US massacre. Extracts... The Guardian

Russian military suspected as source of anthrax By Anne Penketh The Independent

Operation Infinite Disaster By Chris Kromm

Why Asking All the Wrong Questions?

On Native Ground HAS THE U.S. WALKED INTO A TRAP IN AFGHANISTAN? by Randolph T. Holhut

Government is a Terrible Master by Steve Kubby

Archbishop of Canterbury George Carey: Don't repeat the misery inflicted on the Iraqis

SAUDIS CONSIDER ASKING U.S. MILITARY TO LEAVE


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 171 of 510 )
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Disputes de species de baboons - CIA international Country profile category: Transnational Issues( ... Resolve them ALL... ASAP, New Nations 2, soon... on considerate ethnic lines

U.S. propaganda to Taliban: 'You are condemned'

Is Disarmament Being Left To Rust?

A hornet's nest : By Rajeev Dhavan

Analysis: Can enemies rule together? Beeb

Afghan Children Afraid, Displaced By Laura King, AP Special Correspondent, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2001; 3:04 a.m. EDT

Assassinations and the West's collective short memory : World leaders were digging deep into their vocabulary to mourn Rehavam Zeevi, while Palestinians blood went unlamented By Ramzy Baroud October 19, 2001, 04:42 PM

Understanding turbans: Don't link them to terrorism By Eli Sanders Seattle Times staff reporter


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 172 of 510 )
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‘Be brave," say some prominent American leaders. "Meanwhile, we'll be gone." NY Post

'Anti-Americanism' has roots in US foreign policy Commentary by Mushahid Hussain

Congress Doesn't Know If We're at War By Tim Carney

Former plumber is master of betrayal : On the cusp of victory By Jan Cienski, National Post

Bethlehem: No longer still or silent By Phil Reeves in Bethlehem, West Bank

Pakistan frustrated by lack of clear US lead By Ahmed Rashid in Islamabad

Turkey ready to pick up the pieces By Anton La Guardia in Ankara

US missed most Kabul targets, aid workers say FROM STEPHEN FARRELL IN ISLAMABAD


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 173 of 510 )
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Hey Outlook in ur HOWARD WINANT story, ur url has gone Indian (meaning gaRbaR, or Naakaaraa, or Nikammmaa)...

Even in Afghanistan, where repressive anti-modern rule has reached obscene heights under the Taliban, the courageous women of the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA - Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan) are running clandestine schools for girls, providing health care, and documenting Taliban abuses of women.

These women are another kind of (REAL) heroes, a kind we don't hear enough about, who are taking enormous risks for the sake of modernity and human rights.

Posters placed at a Library, with a text by K., entitled "War is nothing but a spectacular statement of our daily living" were _quickly removed_, several times, by someone who perhaps found it disagreeable, to the hateful point, of shutting its mouth. It also pointed to nationalism. It also contained a questioning, as to whether a pacifist demonstrating, does not contribute to conflict. (I understood that he was pointing to, that demonstrating for peace, is not necessarily the same as Being peaceful.)

I know that K. said once, that what he talks about, is _not_ for the elect few. But I wonder... It seems to me, that the majority of minds, are not even _intellectually_ aware of the possibility/value of unbiased understanding and communication. And if one discusses, one tends to try to get one's opinion across and want to win. In more extreme cases, they'll remove/suppress/'crucify' what they do not like to hear or the person who says it. Or, at 'best', tolerate.. up to a point.

It is what's been happening for thousands of years.

For me, this is a situation, .. a dead & barren ground, utterly unreceptive for 'seeds', such as K.'s. Rather sad, I think. It seems, that his 'teaching', IS for the few.

Perhaps for those, who start to sense the limits of All thought and trully are 'at the end of their ropes'.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 174 of 510 )
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the way things r going... there r going to be many new nations as happened post WWII... the British morons were not just in drawing borders... Kurds an example are left out... now Uncle Sam will draw borders... US lead hoodlum allience will do macho posturing... but in-order to feel secure they would resolve all such conflicts (jab Ooo lagtii hey phaTney... toh kHairaat lagti hey baTney ;)...

but tathagat is afraid... 8-10 years from now... blacks kamikaazi would do it... dalits in India would do it... and not much later women would do it too... they have been suffering in slavery for too... too effing long... since u just don't seem to notice it otherwise otherways... not sensitive and considerate enuff... unless u r shaken up... the way Arabs did... or is it ur propaganda? a bunch of lies?!?

hey dubya moron... or arrey o kambakHat maarey... lol... stop the bombing u idiot... NOW!!! u baboon u r a threat to world peace... u no good piece of shit...

i thought Dubya, Bulldozer and ugly, repulsive, Atom Bomb Vajpayee are the only exclusive member of this threat to the world peace club... but didn't know Tony Blair is that stupid, ugly and dangerous too... jumpin on it... shoulder2shoulder... both the alliance leaders are Protestant... about a fourth of Muslims... in size

ah btw Chirac/ Schroder would eventually listen to popa papal papacy ... he is not on, on this 'crusade'... contrary he is against the offensive... the onslaught...

how many doctors did u kill u baboon... in that Herat Hospital... last time it was aid workers... landmine removers... u think u r demonstrating ur might... as detterent... but no u r just exposing urself... u pumped in 175 Billion dollars to ur own economy and gave 350 million dollars in food aid... and talked 10 minutes about how compassionate ur lot of jaahil baboons are... of what world is a somewhat mute spectators now...

Paul moron sang for establishment... so did Bowie, Daltry, Pete Towsend, Mick Jagger... compassion for New Yorkers and no compassions for starving (and now being bomed with food and Cruiz) afgHaans... how about people starving to death in Orissa... did u remember John... but i know u guys will be back soon... singing peace... again...

Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins

Enemies of Peace & of the Environment, a post @ yaa hoo...oo... :)

Weep Mankind! “Dubya” Chooses Warmonger/”Death Merchant” for Veep (by Justin Raimondo) of AntiWar.com

Cheney and the War Party by Matthew McCally August 16, 2000


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 175 of 510 )
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Terror... 2 truth... Wish lenny was there to tell the true tale... hathoraa rather ghan chaap truth... and BTW... free speech under threat, it gotta be!!!...

"What is a Jew" : 'ear him REAL Audio : from "Christians & Jews" :

What is a Jew? A jew is one who is descended from the ancient tribes of Judea. That's what it says in the dictionary. But you and I know what a Jew is... The one who killed OUR LORD. You didn't know? We did that about two thousand years ago. There should be a statute of limitaitons on that crime. But the Goyim are going to make us pay dues for another deuce. And they say, hosanna, why do we make them pay the dues, granted that Christ was the person that you say he was? All right, I'll admit it. I know why the Jews pay the dues. Because we copped out; we skirted the issue; we blamed it on the Roman soldiers. Yes! I will clear the air. We did it! And not only did we kill Christ, we're going to kill him AGAIN when he comes BACK!

Lenny Bruce Stuff on the Web
L e n n y B R U C E By Dylan

Entertainment
The reason I'm in this business, I assume all performers are -- it's "Look at me, Ma!" It's acceptance, you know -- "Look at me, Ma, look at me, Ma, look at me, Ma." And if your mother watches, you'll show off till you're exhausted; but if your mother goes, Ptshew!

Jesus Christ
A lot of people say to me, "Why did you kill Christ?" "I dunno... it was one of those parties, got out of hand, you know." "We killed him because he didn't want to become a doctor, that's why we killed him."

Sarcasm
Satire is tragedy plus time. You give it enough time, the public, the reviewers will allow you to satirize it. Which is rather ridiculous, when you think about it.


farman  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 176 of 510 )
Terror... 2 truth... Wish lenny was there to tell the true tale... hathoraa rather ghan chaap truth... and BTW... free speech under threat, it gotta be!!!...

"What is a Jew" : 'ear him REAL Audio : from "Christians & Jews" :

What is a Jew? A jew is one who is descended from the ancient tribes of Judea. That's what it says in the dictionary. But you and I know what a Jew is... The one who killed OUR LORD. You didn't know? We did that about two thousand years ago. There should be a statute of limitaitons on that crime. But the Goyim are going to make us pay dues for another deuce. And they say, hosanna, why do we make them pay the dues, granted that Christ was the person that you say he was? All right, I'll admit it. I know why the Jews pay the dues. Because we copped out; we skirted the issue; we blamed it on the Roman soldiers. Yes! I will clear the air. We did it! And not only did we kill Christ, we're going to kill him AGAIN when he comes BACK!

Lenny Bruce Stuff on the Web
L e n n y B R U C E By Dylan

Entertainment
The reason I'm in this business, I assume all performers are -- it's "Look at me, Ma!" It's acceptance, you know -- "Look at me, Ma, look at me, Ma, look at me, Ma." And if your mother watches, you'll show off till you're exhausted; but if your mother goes, Ptshew!

Jesus Christ
A lot of people say to me, "Why did you kill Christ?" "I dunno... it was one of those parties, got out of hand, you know." "We killed him because he didn't want to become a doctor, that's why we killed him."

Sarcasm
Satire is tragedy plus time. You give it enough time, the public, the reviewers will allow you to satirize it. Which is rather ridiculous, when you think about it.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 177 of 510 )
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"On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in." ~ Douglas Adams, 'So Long And Thanks For All The Fish'
Al-Jazeera Guide in English before u watch Barkha's WTP... Oops RealityBites one more repeat pl on thursdays...
...Barkha and Saleha and Devesh only worth listening 2... rest make me puke with their tallaffuz (uchchaaran)... ZeeNoose and Aaj Tak not even worth mentioning... too rustic... these days its... zaari... lol... instead of jaari... and ba-vazood instead of ba-vajood... soon... kHushi will become khushi and gHam will b'com gam... lol...

When the media are a menace Phillip Knightley

U.S. and Britain Join Forces Again in the Battle for Public Opinion

Ukraine (((mUah))) Destroys Nuke Facilities ...three slaps on each cheeks la Bhajpayee and Musharraff... nukes reclaimed and dumped in the sea...

Che : Che G : Che Guevara : Che


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 178 of 510 )
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Icy Afghan Weather Takes Toll on Military November 3, 2001 1:39 pm EST By Charles Aldinger

Torture, treachery and spies - covert war in Afghanistan

America may be carpet-bombing Afghanistan. But the real battle for power is being waged with bundles of cash and more sinister means

Kin Seek Justice in NATO Bombing By JEFFREY ULBRICH, Associated Press Writer

CIA's 'spy cat' goes splat By James Morrison

Bin Laden rails against Crusaders and UN, fully copy of his text on Beeb

Pakistan panics over threat to arsenal

Hawks push unfamiliar allies into a belligerent embrace

Legislating a police state By Neena Vyas

The people of Afghanistan have nothing to do with Osama and his accomplices RAWA

PRO-ISRAELI, ANTI-ARAB CAMPAIGNS COULD ISOLATE AMERICA

Israel shows United States how not to fight terrorism

Paranoid Muslims are the problem, says Rushdie, Author argues that Islam must be depoliticised

Murdoch on Blair, Britain and babies. And those whiners at ITV as well

Blunkett isn't trying to play God

The government's decision to introduce a penalty for inciting religious hatred has been misunderstood By Alan Travis, Guardian

Voices for the Voiceless

Why free speech is important as the U.S. drops cluster bombs

If Kandahar burns, will we feel safer? By RICK SALUTIN The Globe and Mail


Colin  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 179 of 510 )
Confused over the Anglo-American invasion of Afghanistan? The issue is crystal clear, there is no moral dilemma. You either follow the AntiChrist or the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Anglo-American allies and the whole world are following the AntiChrist spirit.

To follow the Lord Jesus Christ you MUST be Born Again, and become a REAL Christian.

GBII and TB et al show that their 'Christianity' is a sham and they are NOT Christian.

By their fruits shall you know them.

An English missionary in Asia writes...

http://bornagain.port5.com/wtc.htm


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 180 of 510 )
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ESCAPE AND EVASION by SEYMOUR M. HERSH What happened when the Special Forces landed in Afghanistan?
Middle East impasse By Edward W. Said
How To Avoid World War III By Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
Stop the bombing, please Dr Farrukh Saleem, President Bush continues to insist that "we are a peace-loving people". Arundhati Roy, the acclaimed author of 'The God of Small Things', rebukes "Love is hate, north is south, peace is war."
Decent People Reject Terrorism and U.S. Bombing at the Same Time By Chandra Muzaffar IHT

There is no war on terrorism If there was, the SAS would be storming the beaches of Florida By John Pilger

They Call This Intelligence

Television, Like the Country, Loses Its Footing... NYT/Yahoo

Guns Won't Win the Afghan War By JOHN J. MEARSHEIMER

TWO WARS AT ONCE – And neither is going well….

Taliban invites Bush, Blair for a duel

'The Americans don't know what they're getting into ... People here think nothing of killing' -The Independent


sathyan  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 181 of 510 )
It is almost one month since America started the war against terror.

What really is the objective? How far the chosen means justify it? What is the progress so far?

America warned its citizens against possible terrorists strike soon in its own soil. This means that there are still terrorists hiding in America which they are not able to trace down. Why not Bomb there as well? Or at least stop bombing Afganistan until terrorists are driven out of American soil. They should get rid of the rat from their home first before burning down somebody else’s neighbour’s home.

Is it Justified for the cause if we know that innocents will be killed? Does anybody has the right to take away an innocent life knowingly, for whatever cause? If “colateral damage” justifies innocent lives, then can it be seen like that in case of World Trade Centre attack?

Who will be held accountable for security lapse that resulted in hijacking of four aircrafts?

If you are not with us you are against us - we will get him dead or alive - smoke him out and chase him down – we are slowly tightening the neck of the enemy - These are the revengeful words of the head of the state of most powerful democratic country. These words only aggravate fanatism. If these words are intended to muster support, then it again has to be targeted like the war. Otherwise, it will encourage the fanatics to emulate Bin Laden even before he is brought to the said justice. Other countries may not wish to counter such stirred up terrorism.

We see desperate refugees (including women and children) being chased away by security forces at Pakistan’s closed border. Is that not a torturing terrorism on fleeing sauls?

Will the so called international community will be accountable, if Pakistan becomes unstable in this process? This may result in greater regional problems in future. What about the impending humanitarian disaster in Afganistan due to war imposed lack of preparedness for humanitarian activities?

If the world has to accept and join the fight, then the world has also the right to get convinced with tangible proof. Why not publish it. Anyway, publishing it the at least at this stage, is unlikely to cause more harm than that has already caused.

All these points to one aspect. Money and muscle power, determine the course of the world that stands for democracy, liberty, freedom and all other mellifluous nouns. Otherwise, why remove the sanctions against Pakistan and India all of a sudden. It appears like President Bush and Prime minister Blair has placed the horror Bin to the rest of the world, to make a choice between devil and the rest. One thing appears certain, beating around Bin will not produce results.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 182 of 510 )
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Even More Bush'ism
Clinton Provokes a Jihad By Ziauddin Sardar

predicts terrible consequences from the US air strikes: an eruption of sectarian atrocities and the implosion of Pakistan...

Marx was wrong. When history returns, it does not repeat itself as a farce. It duplicates itself as tragedy. And a tragedy of gigantic proportions is about to unfold in central Asia.

The drama has all the elements of a classic confrontation between "Islam" and "the west". On one side we have an embattled American president, under pressure at home from sex scandals and abroad from terrorist atrocities. On the other we have a Muslim fanatic with global reach and bottomless funds, hellbent on destroying America and its way of life.

Exit sanity; enter paranoia.

The Middle East: The Islamic Republican Alternative

Gulbuddin Hekmatyar: a brutal warlord few Afghans want to see return
Saudi Arabia in the 1980's: Foreign Policy, Security, And Oil

BATTLES IN THE MIND By Teesta Setalvad


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 183 of 510 )
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Peace activists hold rally in Rawalpindi (RealAudio) Trade unions, women's groups and human rights activists take to street in Rawalpindi demanding an end to war in Afghanistan. Zaffar Abbas of BBC reports from Islamabad

Living under hostile skies (RealAudio) For nearly a month US warplanes have monopolised Afghanistan's skies, raining down death and destruction round the clock. How is the common Afghan dealing with it? Raja Zulfikar Ali of BBC explores in Meezan

Bystander Apathy: The Battle for Our Hearts and Minds by Heather Wokusch
When collateral damage starts to hurt By Benjamin Zachariah, HT

Bombing with blindfolds on By James Carroll

White House summons biz chieftains By Peter Bart, Variety Editor-in-Chief


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 184 of 510 )
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The New Newspeak @ CounterPunch

Lifting the veil by Josie Appleton

Bombing could lead to increase in terrorism

Is Bin Laden Growing Mushrooms?

US terrorizing non-combatants By Guardian writers

Hell's Pavement: The Gulf War in Retrospect

Alan Watkins: The holy war being fought by Reverend Blair

Sharon isn’t doing himself any favors

The warmongers have landed

The ugly American mindset : theglobeandmail.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 185 of 510 )
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Over the past two months the word "Islamofascism" has gained currency. The term has appeared in National Review Online, The Weekly Standard, and at Andrew Sullivan's website, among other places. To a vigilant eye the word "Islamofascism" looks suspiciously like a classic Trotskyist coinage. You don't have to be a fan of either fascism or Islamic terrorism to wonder if there's more than meets the eye to this word.

"Islamofascist" was coined or at least popularized by Stephen Schwartz in his recent Spectator article "Ground Zero and the Saudi Connection." Note that within the article Schwartz singles out Stalin and Bolshevism for criticism, rather than Communism in general...

Anthony Howard: The Government has lost the war. The Government has not only lost the propaganda war, it has been routed on the intellectual front as well

Robert Fisk: 'If the US attacks were an assault on "civilisation"(???), why shouldn't Muslims regard the Afganistan attack as a war on Islam?'

Our war aims - in general By AL Kennedy, The Guardian

Israel Calls Iran 'Biggest Threat' By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

Pakistan moves to gag Taliban envoy who mentions the dead By Christopher Kremmer, SMH Correspondent in Islamabad

Taleban retreat could take war across border FROM OLIVER AUGUST IN BEIJING

US sends in special forces as offensive in north fades By Scotsman Chris Stephen In Jabal u Saraj


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 186 of 510 )
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Afghan activist decries U.S. bombing: Woman presents sober lessons on impact of war: By David Mendell, Tribune staff reporter Published November 9, 2001

An American overkill? The News International (Daily Jang), Pakistan

What the media is churning out is trash By Masood Anwar

General: Capturing bin Laden is not part of mission : USA Today

Muslim Hearts and Minds Our Al Jazeera problem

US appoints terror war spin doctor : Beeb

Bush says life in the US will never be the same again

Pressure on US to stop bombardment grows : Irish Taimes

Strong Calls for Widening War Come From Democratic Front: By RONALD BROWNSTEIN, LA Times

The Coming Apocalypse in Central Asia By Geov Parrish, WorkingForChange.com

The Lessons of Vietnam by John Galvin

US Campaign (onslaught) Against Afghanistan Not Self-Defense Under International Law By Brian J. Foley

WHO'S READING YOUR E-MAIL? Draconian Law Enforcement is not a Solution to Terrorism

America needs a briefing consolidation By CHARLEY REESE

There will be hell to pay if, in the process of trying to topple an extremist Islamic government in Afghanistan, we inadvertently install one in Pakistan, which has a fine army and nuclear weapons. That’s why the president of Pakistan is urging us to move fast. He knows that the longer the bombing campaign goes on, the stronger the opposition will grow.

The Wizard of Bombs By Gene Callahan

End The Bombing Of Afghanistan, FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Dulles NOW Chapter November 8, 2001

Language of denial, The language of war is a way our society is lies to itself

Bosh about bombs and the like, Claims of prowess for the latest war toys suckers Hersh, others

Overplaying The Terror Card

You cannot be serious, Mr Peres By Ali Abunimah


farman  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 187 of 510 )
It is assumed that when a section of the world community claims itself to be the “Civilized World”, it must be having some knowledge of Ethics, History, Geography, Science, & other material comprehension, which is necessarily, required for becoming or assuming to be the respected member of the “Civilized World”. But of late the way people claiming themselves the respected members of the “Civilized World” had started behaving gives the impression that for some conspicuous & palpable reason they are trying to shut their eyes from dazzling truths of world history. Two material instances are sufficient to explain the uneven, potholed opportunistic & vicious attitude of the “Civilized World”. It is the ‘Civilized World’ who gave birth to Taliban to fight Communists in Afghanistan by providing them Stinger Missiles & other strategic “Support”, at the time of their birth they were termed as the saviors who saved Afghanistan from devious communists. In fact the spokesman of the US State Department Glyn Davies said that the US found “nothing objectionable” in the steps taken by the Taliban to impose the Islamic Law, when in 1995 Taliban came into power with the help of CIA & ISI, and unleashed reign of terror upon their own people particularly women by closing down girls schools dismissing women from govt. jobs. Senator Hank Brown said, “The good part of what has happened is that one of the factions at least seems capable of developing a government in Kabul”. The prime object of supporting the Taliban regime was motivated by the economic factor primarily the UNOCAL pipeline project as stated by Robin Raphel in Islamabad on 21st April 1996, soon after visiting Kabul,” We have an American Company which is interested in building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through to Pakistan.” Another instance is with regard to diagonal change taking place in the policy of “Civilized World” towards General Parvez Musharraf of Pakistan. When in 1999 he overthrew the democratically elected government of Nawaz Sharif, the “Civilized World” refused to recognize his dictatorial government & stopped all financial assistance to his government. But all of a sudden after 11th September all financial assistance was restored to him with lot of handsome bonuses. One is unable to understand that whether after 11th September the dictator General Parvez Musharraf became a democratically elected President of Pakistan. Now the villain of the past became the dearest friend, is it not the marriage of conveniences? Which otherwise is most condemnable act, but is an appreciable act for the “Civilized World”. Is it not an archetypical example of knight in shining armor, the savior, becoming desperado, the villain & the desperado transforming into a knight in shining armor. The creator of Taliban, the “Civilized World“ is now fighting its own evil child, with the help of formerly Mujahedin’s (Northern Alliance), previously thrown out because of their dictatorial manners.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 188 of 510 )
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Our Masters of Propaganda By Stephen Gowans

Global Eye -- Weather Report By Chris Floyd, Moscow Tames

Propaganda: Then and Now By Gilles d'Aymery

First, the bad news, then ... the bad news By ERIC MARGOLIS

No Surprise at Rumors of New Atrocities by Our 'Foot-Soldiers' by Robert Fisk

...Charlotte Beers was the most powerful woman in advertising, known for her high-octane lifestyle, golden Rolodex and stratospheric salary. She is now effectively Bush's minister of propaganda. The Texas-born daughter of a cowboy has a far more elegant title of course: undersecretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs...

New laws will turn EU into a superpower, says Romano Prodi

UN races to set up a new regime in Kabul

'Up to 500 executed' after the fall of Mazar-e-sharief

Northern Alliance enters Kabul as Taliban flee


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 189 of 510 )
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Greek Thoughts by Joseph Sobran One of those ancient Greek fellows, King Pyrrhus, is said to have commented, after winning a costly battle, "One more victory like this and we’re done for." Hence the phrase "Pyrrhic victory."

From Homer on, the Greeks found mordant ironies in their wars, especially the Trojan one. It began over one loose woman and went on for a decade; then it kept spawning all sorts of unpleasant aftermaths. King Agamemnon, for example, led the winning side, but it played havoc with his family life. When he got home, his wife did him in. Then she got hers, from their son, who then suffered from guilt feelings, and so on. All very dysfunctional.

The lesson is that the consequences of war don’t end when the fighting stops. The Greeks hammered this point home for centuries, but it still hasn’t sunk in with a lot of non-Greeks.

Free speech is under attack : Liberal objections to new measures brought in after September 11 should focus on the ill-thought-out proposals to deal with religious incitement, writes former anti-terrorist officer Charles Shoebridge

War is Hell (On Your Civil Liberties) BY JESSICA REAVES, Time.com

Why the War Party may fail : Pat Buchanan

Writing History to Executive Order By RICHARD REEVES


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 190 of 510 )
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Robert Fisk: Forget the cliches, there is no easy way for the West to sort this out
CNN (becoming) a shadow of once-great network
Putin convinced Bush for Alliance entry in Kabul By Naveed Miraj

None Jailed Appear Linked to Attacks, LA Times

U.S. Bomb Damages Mosque as Ramadan Starts

Do the Lives of Afghanis Count? By Ramzy Baroud

Terrorism and Freedom, The Economist

America’s Disgraceful History Of Military "Trials" by Thomas J. DiLorenzo

India, Pakistan and the Bomb : The Indian subcontinent is the most likely place in the world for a nuclear war : by M. V. Ramana and A. H. Nayyar

Taliban Withdrawal Was Strategy, Not Rout

E-MALE : Afghanistan and Vietnam: sinister sisters By Christopher P. Winner, praguepost.cz

Ground War Strategies Part 4: What's Next for the Taliban? stratfor.com

The Lapdog Press by John Keller

U.S. is Brutalizing Principles of Justice : San Jose Mercury News Editorial

HOW TO TELL WHEN YOU'VE WON

Bush-Putin Nuclear Arms Cuts Are Not Enough By David Krieger

Gross Usurpation of Power by David Dieteman


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 191 of 510 )
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 Will peace remain elusive for Afghans? (RealAudio) The Taleban's retreat from Kabul has stunned many, whereas some call it a military tactic. But the big question is who will fill the power vacuum?
Raja Zulfikar Ali of BBC explores in Meezaan

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 192 of 510 )
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Been2Sairbeen? Beeb Real Audio
Suicidal ignorance : By now, at least, it should be clear: the US just doesn't get it. Time for a change of policy, writes Edward Said
America must protect right to dissent, even about war BY FRAN SEPLER Community Columnist

Ashcroft's rule of law not necessarily constitutional By ROBYN BLUMNER, St. Petersburg Times

Humanitarian Crisis Still Looms : Oxfam
Al-Qa'eda massacre Taliban By David Harrison of Telegraph Portal in Kunduz, northern Afghanistan

Mounting concern over human cost of war in Afghanistan


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 193 of 510 )
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Say No to a Palestinian 'State' : Imagine the following scenario: after ages of discrimination, the United States decides to compensate African-Americans generously and to solve their problems once and for all. All African-Americans are locked up in prison, and the prisons are declared to be an independent African-American state. Sound crazy? That is just what the US and Israel are now planning – for the Palestinians.

WAR ON TERROR: FALSE VICTORY By John Pilger @ Znet

An Open Letter to Arab Readers : Scott McConnel

Plays poorly with others : Despite ‘coalition building’ rhetoric, Bush is still the bully on the playground, Geov Parrish, WorkingForChange

U.S. Allies in Afghanistan Left Trail of Atrocities Blood on the Tracks By Jonathan Adams, Villagevoice [CheckOut the Radio dears]

Robert Fisk: Our friends in the North are just as treacherous and murderous:When our Northern Alliance boys go on a killing spree, we have to take responsibility'

Carpet bombing 'kills 150 civilians' in frontline town By Justin Huggler in Cheshma-ye Bangi, The Independent

British nuclear secrets out on the web, The Independent

Powell is told to go easy on Israel over peace deal, By David Wastell in Washington, portal.telegraph.co.uk

Maverick warlords hold gun to Afghan peace process : AFP/TOI

Rivalries threaten another civil war By Ahmed Rashid, The Telegraph

Warlords jostle for power, ignoring West's threats : The Northern Alliance, like the mouse that roared, is growing to love the sound of its own voice, writes Paul McGeough. SMH


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 194 of 510 )
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House of Saud looks close to collapse : Modern Saudi Arabia is supported by the US and Britain in order to guarantee a steady flow of oil. Their war on terrorism could destroy it By David Leigh and Richard Norton-Taylor, The Guardian, Wednesday November 21, 2001

Opium farmers rejoice at defeat of the Taliban : War on Terrorism: Opium By Richard Lloyd Parry in Surkhrud, Afghanistan

As Taliban Falls, U.S. Confronts New Foe: Itself, By Courtland Milloy washingtonpost.com

THE CREEPING COUP : [From a letter sent to booksellers by the American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression]

Liberty Is Dying, Liberal by Liberal : LA Times

Mideast peace an illusion? Pat Buchanan, Creators Syndicate, Inc.

Warlord consolidating power in Herat TOI


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ISRAELI intelligence agencies have not detected any link between Iraq and the September 11 terrorist attacks... By Anton La Guardia, Diplomatic Editor

Village of death casts doubts over US intelligence By Philip Smucker in Gluco, northern Afghanistan

Jalalabad's New Sheriff Cracks Down, but Will His Own Gunmen Obey? Tim Weiner IHT

Britain may be forced to withdraw troops By Richard Norton-Taylor, Patrick Wintour, and Julian Borger in Washington, The Guardian

Up with dissent : A BOSTON GLOBE EDITORIAL

Suppose we won the war but lost our freedom By Robert Harris

Nightmare of facism seems too real since Sept. 11 attacks BY KRISTINE M. HOLMGREN Guest Columnist

If we embrace the Taliban's view of swift and arbitrary justice, America won't prevail : in the court of public opinion. Bush's secret tribunal BY JONATHAN TURLEY Commentator

Tough Love By Michelle Chihara, AlterNet

CLARE Short yesterday launched a stinging attack on the United States for hindering the relief effort in Afghanistan as relations between London and Washington sank to their lowest point since the start of the military campaign.

Asian Regimes Appear to Use War on Terror to Stem Dissent By Michael Richardson International Herald Tribune


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 196 of 510 )
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Emergency 2001: by David Dieteman,

Query to the warmongers: what to say about the following line from a patriot of spotless reputation, Benjamin Franklin:

I hope that Mankind will at length, as they call themselves reasonable creatures, have Reason and Sense enough to settle their differences without cutting Throats; for, in my opinion, there never was a good War, or a bad Peace.

...Nuclear weapons, which a few of our more hairy-chested pundits are recommending now, are useless when you have to defend – really defend – every post office, airport, and shopping mall. You can’t nuke anthrax.
Culture : Dispatch from Anthrakistan By Martin A. Lee,

Pax Americana and Forced Reform of the World Aren't Coming By William Pfaff International Herald Tribune

A born-again isolationist : By trying to rule the world, we open ourselves to the world's madness. America should let go of its empire and set its own house in order. Salon.com

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 197 of 510 )
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BIOLOGICAL WAR-FEAR, The secret history of anthrax, Declassified documents show widespread experimentation in '40s

Germ Warfare Maverick's Book Tells How to Make Anthrax By Paul Zielbauer and William J. Broad, International Herald Tribune

After a Quick Victory, a New Age of War Begins By Clifford Beal IHT

Warlord sends Shi'ite rivals packing : New Zealand Herald

And they call it Thanksgiving : War and peace part four: America By Bill Kauffman

US raids target residential areas in Kunduz TOI/AFP

What Is 'Defense'? By Joseph Sobran, After World War II the Department of War was renamed the Department of Defense to soften its image. "Defense" sounded nicer than "war."

Look Again: Islam and Economic Development Go Together By Philip Bowring International Herald Tribune

Bush warns the worst is yet to come FROM DAMIAN WHITWORTH IN WASHINGTON


immortal  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 198 of 510 )
BIOLOGICAL WAR-FEAR, The secret history of anthrax, Declassified documents show widespread experimentation in '40s

Germ Warfare Maverick's Book Tells How to Make Anthrax By Paul Zielbauer and William J. Broad, International Herald Tribune

After a Quick Victory, a New Age of War Begins By Clifford Beal IHT

Warlord sends Shi'ite rivals packing : New Zealand Herald

And they call it Thanksgiving : War and peace part four: America By Bill Kauffman

US raids target residential areas in Kunduz TOI/AFP

What Is 'Defense'? By Joseph Sobran, After World War II the Department of War was renamed the Department of Defense to soften its image. "Defense" sounded nicer than "war."

Look Again: Islam and Economic Development Go Together By Philip Bowring International Herald Tribune

Bush warns the worst is yet to come FROM DAMIAN WHITWORTH IN WASHINGTON


immortal  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 199 of 510 )
I will be happy if Talibans are defeated totally and Afghan people are given the right to choose their rulers . The scenerio is bleak . The nothern alliance is no different from Taliban , it seems , as they have killed lots of prisoners already . If an Afghan hate another Afgahn what will the world do ? Because of one Bin Laden whole of Afghan is suffering . How can they fight USA ? They don't have Nuclear bombs , destroying-all missiles ,they don't even have enough food to eat . USA is a revengeful nation . It has both money and power. Now it will try to kill / imprison all the entraped Taliban . Afghanistan was poor , it will be poorer after the war . My country is suffering a great deal in Kashmir from the Taliban-helped terrorists groups . But I cannot blame whole of Afghanistan for it . The destitute , poor of Afghanistan are just like the poor people in India . They are just simple people like us but sometime superstitious and blinded by religions just like us . Who can hate them ??? I ONLY HOPE THE WEALTHY AND POWERFUL NATIONS WILL REBUILD AFGHANISTAN . I ALSO HOPE AFGHANS WILL STOP ALL THE INTER FIGHTINGS .

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 200 of 510 )
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'Crusade' term shows errors in propaganda Eyereeish Tames

After the Taliban, will Afghanistan’s women really be free? by Judith Lewis, LAWeekly

Pashtuns May Demand Own State : By Shiraz Paracha, Institute for War & Peace Reporting

'Special forces killed' From AFP 24nov01

Nazi Tribunal Is Model of Deception By By Ann Woolner

The Validity of Anti-War Criticism By Tim Wise, AlterNet


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 201 of 510 )
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To secure Afghanistan’s future, bring back its women By Pamela Philipose IE

Waiting to usher in a new dawn : Rooma Mehra, The Tribune

Free Speech, R.I.P. By Hank Hoffman, New Haven Advocate

Ari & I : White House Press Briefing with Ari Fleischer, by Russell Mokhiber

RETRO-REALITY : We're in a time machine – and it's the early '60s (again!)

Asian Reservations About the War on Terrorism By Philip Bowring International Herald Tribune

Eastern Afghanistan in the grip of anarchy : Rory McCarthy, in Kabul, Irish Times


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 202 of 510 )
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Defense and War: A Biblical Perspective by Ron McKenzie

When the U.S. berates and then bombs the media it may be a war crime : Laura Flanders, WorkingForChange.

Ethnic divisions in Afghanistan BY LOUISA MCLENNAN, Lundon Tames

Mass Slaughter Of the Taliban's Foreign Jihadists BY ALEX PERRY/MAZAR-I-SHARIF, TIME.COM

Afghanistan Reporter Looks Back on Two Decades of Change : D.L. Parsell, National Geographic News

My trip on death road BY JANINE DI GIOVANNI, The Times

Beyond Osama: The Pentagon’s Battle With Powell Heats Up : Saddam in the Crosshairs by Jason Vest, villagevoice.com

Putin is succeeding where Brezhnev failed By Robert Fox London telegraph

The Terrorist Who Started World War I. By Keith Edgerton, History News Service.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 203 of 510 )
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The war on journalism : As seven western correspondents are killed in one week in Afghanistan, author Phillip Knightley asks if frontline reporters are now considered legitimate targets???

For women, the war is not over : If the Taliban was bad for women, some of them say the Alliance is worse, writes Margarette Driscoll in The Sunday Times

Utopians At Play: Making Others Into Our Own Image. thetexasmercury.com

The Mind of a Terrorist : Just the Facts, Please by Heather Wokusch AntiWar.com

The battle for Afghanistan: As the cities fall, stage is set for a new guerrilla standoff HUGH BARNES, KANDAHAR, The Sunday Times

Troops ready to storm Taliban spiritual home By Sean Rayment in London, Alex Spillius in Quetta and agencies, SMH

Bush turns America's fury towards Saddam By Stephen Robinson in Washington, The Telegraph Portal

US targets three more countries, JAMES CLARK, NICK FIELDING AND TONY ALLEN-MILLS, WASHINGTON, The Sunday Times


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 204 of 510 )
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... listening to Pearl Jam singing Dada King's 'Masters of War'...so tathagat sing this song again...

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead (or atleast tried in Hague)


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 205 of 510 )
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We won't remove Saddam by starving Iraqi children

Information, please: Government censorship must not continue unchallenged

Bush's Hollow Victory By David Corn, AlterNet

Censorship : Can a free press survive America's new war? by Alan Pittman, Eugene Weekly

This war is not just By James Carroll, The Boston Globe

Another war on terror. Another proxy army. Another mysterious massacre. ...And now, after 19 years, perhaps the truth at last... , The eyes of the world are on Afghanistan, but today a Belgian appeals court is due to consider a case with disturbing contemporary parallels. Robert Fisk reveals shocking new evidence that the full, horrific story of the Sabra and Chatila massacres of 1982 has not yet been told

Women's freedom march banned in Kabul

Afghans uneasy as Russians show flag in Kabul By Peter Popham in Kabul, The Independent

Khanabad 'decimated by the Americans, 100 civilians killed' New Zealand Herald


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 206 of 510 )
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Suffer Palestine's Children By Sunil K. Sharma @ COUNTERPUNCH

Revenge killings reported in Kunduz : Beeb

CIA and School of the Americas : by Raymond Ker, Media Monitors Network

Afghan Conference Won't Bring Unity : STRATFOR

Legacy of civilian casualties in ruins of shattered town : By Justin Huggler in Khanabad, The Independent

Patriotism slows inquiries into intelligence failures: The Independent

Men in black jackets slip into seats of power : War on Terrorism: Media By Kate Clark in Kabul, The Independent

Bombs as Self-Defense? by John Buell, commondreams.org

Race and Ratings in Tony Blair's Britain : How Britain's Public TV Channel 4 Killed V.S. Naipaul's Mr Biswas By Tariq Ali Imagine: Iraq: Tigris and Euphrates : a play in one act By Tariq Ali The Jews : Robert Green Ingersoll Gods : Robert Green Ingersoll [1833 - 1899]


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 207 of 510 )
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Only Alternative to Global Terror: Father, Son and Holy War : by Rohini Hensman © Economic and Politial Weekly, India

Burkas stay on as women of Kabul wait for their liberation : Rout of Taliban fails to improve the female lot By Rory McCarthy in Kabul, The Guardian

U.S. Details Response to Smallpox : Cities Could Be Quarantined and Public Events Banned, Bhaasington yahoodi Post

CATASTROPHIC INTELLIGENCE FAILURE

West's feminists under fire from female general FROM STEPHEN FARRELL IN KABUL, The Times

When a Pro-Life (???) President Kills

Robert Fisk: We are the war criminals now : 'Everything we have believed in since the Second World War goes by the board as we pursue our own exclusive war'

A Thirsty Evil: By Chris Floyd, Moscow Times

Justin Raimondo : ISRAEL AND 9/11 : Feds holding 60 Israelis in connection with 9/11 Why?


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 208 of 510 )
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WAR ON TERROR : Writings hint at Condi's bio-attack response plan, Bush's top security adviser doesn't rule out nukes to retaliate against non-nuclear state

The Afghan King and the Nazis: A German Dispatch From 1940 Shows King Mohammed Zahir Shah's True Colors By Tariq Ali

Silencing Powell: Between American Reticence and Israeli Intransigence: by Hanan Ashrawi

THE NEW GREAT GAME: Oil Politics in Central Asia

The hostage nation : Former UN relief chiefs Hans von Sponeck and Denis Halliday speak out against an attack on Iraq, The Guardian

Defining Terrorism By Phillip Cryan

Playing the great game : Jonathan Freedland, The Guardian

Why did we let Pakistan pull ‘volunteers’ out of Kunduz?

A New Foreign-Policy Paradigm for Americafff.org

A Continuum of Terror: From Mujahedeen to al-Qaeda By Tom Turnipseed

Wake Up, America By ANTHONY LEWIS, NYT (Reg. Required)

Treatment of captive enemy divides warriors Irish Times

FBI v. CIA: Battle in Cyberspace By Charles R. Smith


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 209 of 510 )
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Russia Checkmated Its New Best Friend by Eric Margolis : Common Dream NewsCenter

Wartime's reality eludes Hollywood : By STEVE PERSALL, St. Petersburg Times,

Gainspotting : By Chris Floyd in The Moscow Times

Bush's Inexperience is Showing : Dire Threats Emanating from Washington Have Horrified America's Allies By Eric Margolis

Going Backwards : US Wins Defeat of Depleted Uranium Study by Irwin Arieff

American Jews are ready for peace in the Mideast, SignOn San Diego

Carter, Jack. "The Great Game: The Struggle for Caspian Oil."

Behind the jargon about failed states and humanitarian interventions lie thousands of dead. : John Pilger

Britain asked to prepare strikes against terror bases in Somalia By Robert Fox and Jessica Berry

Russia Is Back in Kabul and in the 'Great Game' Robyn Lim IHT


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 210 of 510 )
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How Best to Help Iran's Democracy Movement: Don't. Derek Copold thetexasmercury.com

Bush's Missile Shield Is a Science Fiction Fantasy by Marleen S. Barr

US Afghan allies were bombed as they slept By Richard Lloyd Parry in Jalalabad Lies, Damned Lies, and War by Frida Berrigan

Justice Deformed: War and the Constitution NYT EditO

This dangerous patriot's game : After 11 September, the US introduced laws that, according to leading American academic Patricia Williams, 'mirror the worst excesses of some dictatorships' : The Observer

Villagers Dying Under U.S. Bombs, Anti-Taliban Forces Say Tim Weiner New York Times Service

wrong target for second time
in two days By Richard Lloyd Parry in Jalalabad

ASHCROFT'S REIGN OF TERROR : American citizens aren't exempt, Justine Raimondo

Sharon seeks Bush's OK for attack that could end Arafat era : SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM

Anthrax Inquiry Looks at U.S. Labs By WILLIAM J. BROAD and JUDITH MILLER, NYT

Swiss voters reject bid to abolish armed forces

Israel's 'missile message' to Arafat

ragamuff  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 211 of 510 )
BAD POEMS FOR BAD TIMES

Qala i Jhangi (to the men of CNN)

While some are going mental in the Intercontinental I sit tight and phone by satellite to the men of CNN to the men of CNN

I will always remember the morning in November when I filed the report of the slaughter at the fort to the men of CNN to the men of CNN

The soldiers did surrender to the war lord pretender their hands tied with silk turbans -all to fill the tanks of the Suburbans of the men of CNN of the men of CNN

And after the prisoners were blown up or burnt in oil the thieves came and took their spoil. teeth, boots-they picked them clean. Too brutal, too horrid, the whole rotten scene for the men of CNN for the men of CNN

Still, a few were left. They ate a horse. This is jihad-they must have said-of course, to die burning, starving, cold, wet, in a trap in a place far away, just a dot on the map of the men of CNN of the men of CNN

The photographs of the Marines, planting flags in the dust, are off limits to journalists in a war that is just. The pictures you see of the dead in the sand, aren't nearly as nice as some boys from America giving a hand for the men of CNN for the men of CNN


surajj99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 212 of 510 )
CALL FOR HIS EXTRADITION!

Here in the US, the media and gov't are typically covering up the fact that the American John Walker (the White Taliban fighter seen on CNN) was an active terrorist in Kashmir.

There is a simple way to highlight this very crucial piece of information. India should be calling for his extradition to face charges of terrorism and incitement of revolution. And the Indian press should be atleast as loud and obnoxious they were during the Denness debacle.

India must take full advantage of this opportunity to turn the screws on American (actually, White) indifference. After all, this guy has admitted to the world that he agrees with terrorism and has been directly involved in Kashmir (how he got there must be a mystery) . The likilhood of him firing on American troops is nill, since they are not in range. But the likihood of him firing on Indian troops is almost guaranteed.

Why aren't we calling for his head!? He has probably killed Indians in Kashmir without regret or conscience. Someone please do something about this ludicrous turn of events.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 213 of 510 )
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Dust in Our Eyes By ANTHONY LEWIS, NYT

Fox Portrays a War of Good and Evil, and Many Applaud By JIM RUTENBERG

Spy Wanted. Must Know Hollywood. By JULIE SALAMON

Clampdown covers websites, libraries, even press releases. By Brad Knickerbocker Staff writer of The Christian Science(?!?) Monitor

It Is Crazy to Curtail Due Process Rules, Don't gut civil liberties by invoking evil. By ROBERT SCHEER, LA Times

Is this what we mean by victory? By Salim Muwakkil. Salim Muwakkil is a senior editor at In These Times, Chicago Tribune

A Village Destroyed – US Says It Never Happened, The Independent

Senators and Legal Scholars Doubt Ashcroft and Bush By Sam Hamod


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Occupation as Terrorism By George S. Naggiar, MediaMonitors.net

The New Kind of Education By Jan Baughman, Swans.

The "Turbanators" And The Terrorists: War Crimes And Media Omissions By Danny Schechter @ mediachannel.org

ANALYSIS: Nuclear threat
remains as warhead numbers fall, thescotsman.co.uk

America's Israel By C.G. Estabrook @ counterpunch.org

Sharon's fantasy : The dream of replacing Arafat with compliant local warlords is gaining ground in Israel - but it will fail : By Jonathan Freedland, The Guardian

Infamy 2001 no match for the infamy of 1941. By Bruce Ramsey, Seattle Times editorial columnist

They Ran for Their Lives Through a Field of Death By Suzanne Goldenberg in Gaza, commondreams.org

Sharon's War Cannot Be Won By Ali Abunimah @ commondreams.org

Ashcroft unhinged, The Attorney General is going for broke in his fight against civil liberty, workingforchange.com

Americas Employees sue CIA for 'abuse of power' By Rupert Cornwell, independent.co.uk

Who EU Calling a Terrorist? By Jeffrey Benner, @ wired.com

Peres says he will take party out of coalition By Eric Silver in Jerusalem, independent.co.uk

Is flag fever patriotism or darker stuff? By Anthony Colarossi, @ orlandosentinel.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 215 of 510 )
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Hi all! Update: Visit the

Plum Village website at and find a written transcript of Thich Nhat Hanh's speech as well as in audio.

Peace and Love be with us all.

"Terror is in the human heart. We must remove this terror from the heart. Destroying the human heart, both physically and psychologically, is what we should avoid. The root of terrorism should be identified so that it can beremoved. The root of terrorism is misunderstanding, hatred and violence. This root cannot be located by the military. Bombs and missiles cannot reach it, let alone destroy it. Only with the practice of calming and looking deeply can our insight reveal and identify this root. Only with the practice of deep listening and compassion can it be transformed and removed.

Darkness cannot be dissipated with more darkness. More darkness will make darkness thicker. Only light can dissipate darkness. Violence and hatred cannot be removed with violence and hatred. Rather, this will make violence and hatred grow a thousand fold. Only understanding and compassion can dissolve violence and hatred.

"Strike against terror" is a misleading expression. What we are striking against is not the real cause or the root of terror. The object of our strike is still human life. We are sowing seeds of violence as we strike. Striking in this way we will only bring about more hatred and violence into the world. This is exactly what we do not want to do.

Hatred and violence are in the hearts of human beings. A terrorist is a human being with hatred, violence and misunderstanding in his or her heart. Acting without understanding, acting out of hatred, violence and fear, we help sow more terror, bringing terror to the homes of others and bringing terror back to our own homes. Whole societies are living constantly in fear with our nerves being attacked day and night. This is the greatest casualty we may suffer from as a result of our wrong thinking and action. Such a state of confusion, fear and anxiety is extremely dangerous. It can bring about another world war, this time extremely destructive.

We must learn to speak out so that the voice of the Buddha can be heard in this dangerous and pivotal moment of history. Those of us who have the light should display the light and offer it so that the world will not sink into total darkness. Everyone has the seed of awakening and insight within his or her heart. Let us help each other touch these seeds in ourselves so that everyone could have the courage to speak out. We must ensure that the way we live our daily lives (with or without mindful consumption, with or without discrimination, with or without participating in injustice, ...) does not create more terrorism in the world. We need a collective awakening to stop this course of self-destruction."

- Thich Nhat Hanh


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 216 of 510 )
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Winston Smith's Hate Session : America's New War? Or War On Americans?

transcribed for you an excerpt beginning from page 13 of George Orwell's book 1984. It describes a hate session orchestrated by Big Brother via the telescreen. The characters in this scene are reacting very much like the media mind-controlled masses of America are responding today to the message of "rage, revenge, hate, bomb and kill, destroy the enemy" being promulgated by the controlled media. And today. . . just as in the story book, the enemy is a phantom. Usama bin Ladin or Emmanuel Goldstein. . . The hate is cleverly induced...

The net gets cast further and endangers many freedoms By LEWIS W. DIUGUID - The Kansas City Star

Stopping the Perpetual War By B. Ness

Britain and 100 other states warn Sharon on rules of war By Stephen Castle in Brussels, independent.co.uk

The Six Principles of Political War : Book Excerpt By David Horowitz @ FrontPageMagazine.com

Aristocrat who turned his back on Taleban FROM CATHERINE PHILP IN QUETTA, thetimes.co.uk

Charley Reese: Too many coincidences for him, enterprise-journal.com

US bomb hits Afghan PM as deal is signed By Toby Helm in Bonn and Stephen Robinson in Washington


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Shock as columnist investigated for un-American activity smh.com.au

Poll: Americans Tolerant of US Muslims By Rachel Zoll, AP Religion Writer, washingtonpost.com

Historians: Pearl Harbor attack prompted by intelligence discrepancy

fdr and pearl harbor: the foia revelations by Doug Cirignano, The Disinformation

Are Palestinians Human? by Sam and Leila Bahour

War or no war, rights are rights! Right? by Ricardo Pimentel, arizonarepublic.com

Sharon chose the Hamas By Amira Hass, haaretz.co.il

Danger of war as Arafat hits at Hamas FROM CHRISTOPHER WALKER IN GAZA CITY, thetimes.co.uk

GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF : U.S. building up forces near Iraq, 2k soldiers sent to Kuwait, more coming... worldnetdaily.com

Rooting Out Terrorists Just Became Harder By JAMES ORENSTEIN, NYT

The Final Secret of Pearl Harbor By John T. Flynn October 1945

Pearl Harbor Historiography: A Lesson in Academic Housecleaning, by Gary North lewrockwell.com


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India, Pakistan and the Bomb : The Indian subcontinent is the most likely place in the world for a nuclear war By M. V. Ramana and A. H. Nayyar

HOROWITZ GOES HAYWIRE – AGAIN : Witch-hunter answers Raimondo – whines about 'character assassination'

WAR ON TALIBAN ALMOST OVER..WAR ON NORTHERN ALLIANCE TO BEGIN SOON

New Afghan Accord Already Looking Shaky, Stratfor

And Darkness Covered the Land : Gaandhi of Israel naama... by Robert I. Friedman in The Nation

Alt.war news : An updated source guide for alternative Middle East and war press

The Belligerent Bunch: Rabid Journalists and Pundits Push Bush to Extremes Don Hazen, AlterNet

The Greatest Danger Comes from Within By Jeff Milchen

RUNNING THE ODDS WHEN NOBODY CARES By Ted Rall

McCarthyism returns

You're in the Hole : A CRACKDOWN ON DISSIDENT PRISONERS By Anne-Marie Cusac

Now opening near you: Attack of the War Flicks By Patrik Jonsson Special to The Christian Science Monitor

The Dictatorship of Bullshit By Stephen Gowans


ssss  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 219 of 510 )
Taleban is on run.Terrorist attack on usa are not like in kashmir i.e on public places and government offices. Pakistan mushraf is trying to make a image of fighting against terrorism.Media and politicians say terrorists are pakistani,talebani.But at same time attacks in kashmir are increasing.So kashmiri islamic terrorists are not controlled by pakistan and taleban(else usa since was first priority of islamic terrorists,there attacks wouldnot have subsided.All are on run.And till day kashmiri terrorists have not killed a ruler or attacked India like usa.Clearly taleban and islamic terrorists isnot bothered much about india.) Who controls it(a insider?).Let intelligence agencies start from here? Or they are controlled by few people,not in control of mushraf.Find them and finish them by suicide attacks of hindu martyrs with help of RSS(very few people at top).Laws wont help. Even usa attacks are hyped by media.Pride of a nation is parliament not stock exchange towers.Had terrorists hit usa parliament usa pride would have been hit.USA is a super power today also(with pride intact),but fighting easy unequal wars on terror.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 220 of 510 )
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War Without End By A.C. Thompson : The battle created severe "environmental hotspots" that pose "acute health risks" to the residents of four major cities, reports UN team leader Pasi Rinne. In the eyes of Rinne and his fellow researchers, a "new type of complex humanitarian emergency" is unfolding in post-war Kosovo. A key concern for the UN is the use of depleted uranium (DU) shells, 30,000 of which were fired during the battle for Kosovo. The UN fears that DU rounds, which unleash clouds of toxic, mildly radioactive uranium particles--and have been dubbed "the Agent Orange of this era" by greens--may be contaminating drinking water in the region.

Just as the ecological damage done to Kosovo has been largely ignored by the American media, few have considered the long-term environmental consequences of the conflict in Afghanistan. Military analysts expect the Pentagon to employ DU in the Afghan theater, but in lesser amounts than in previous wars. "You won't see that much depleted uranium used because there just aren't the targets," says Philip Coyle, a senior adviser at Washington, DC's Center for Defense Information.

But that doesn't mean this war is an eco-friendly affair.

Hawks on the Hill

Kafka and the Patriot Act @ Counterpunch

Qandahar on brink of chaos as warlords ready for battle The observer

Robert Fisk beaten by mob By Raymond Whitaker

FEAR HAS ITS USES : Why these endless terrorist alerts?

US Forces Suspension of Germ War Pact, EU Angry By Richard Waddington

Wanted: Dead or Alive in Afghanistan BY PROF RONALD HERRING, CORNELL UNIVERSITY

Is it in Bush's political interest to prolong the war? Get tomorrow's cliché today at kausfiles. By Mickey Kaus

UN chief accuses Israel of terrorising Palestinians : By Phil Reeves in Gaza City @ independent.co.uk


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 221 of 510 )
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Help! Police! : Ashcroft’s war is against all who speak against the system : Geov Parrish, WorkingForChange

Challenging Questions by Hanan Ashrawi @ MediaMonitors.net

Why did Japan attack us? Pat Buchanan

Dossier on civilian victims of US Aerial Bombing : A comprehensive Accounting

Who’s a Traitor? NYPress

Once lost, these freedoms will be impossible to restore : The terror threat is being used to attack civil rights here and in the US : Hugo Young, The Guardian

The War at Home by David Harrison @ mediamonitors.net


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 222 of 510 )
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Questioner: You say the present crisis is without precedent. In what way is it exceptional?

KRISHNAMURTI: The crisis is exceptional because it is in the field of ideation. We are quarreling with ideas, we are justifying murder.... Before, evil was recognized to be evil, murder was recognized to be murder, but now murder is a means to achieve a noble result.... The implication is that a wrong means will produce a right end, and you justify the wrong means through ideation. In the various crises that have taken place before, the issue has been the exploitation of things or of man; it is now the exploitation of ideas, which is much more pernicious, much more dangerous, because the exploitation of ideas is so devastating, so destructive.... That is what is happening in the world today. Man is not important--systems, ideas have become important.

Evil is evil; it cannot bring about good. War is not a means to peace. War is intellectually justified as a means of bringing peace . When the intellect has the upper hand in human life, it brings about an unprecedented crisis.

-Krishnamurti, The First and Last Freedom


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 223 of 510 )
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...And tathagat want 2C them in charge in most institutions... because they are more pragmatic than men, they have a greater capacity to cope with reality, they are earth-bound. Man leans more towards the sky and the woman is rooted in the earth. It is a very pragmatic arrangement.

Man leans more towards the sky and the woman is rooted in the earth.

If the woman takes charge of the whole world, the world will drop many stupid things. For example, wars will disappear. Of course, there will be more beautiful clothes, fashion shows, modeling, but weapons, atomic bombs, hydrogen bombs, etcetera, will disappear. No woman is interested in all these things. Hiroshima and Nagasaki will not happen again; it is only the man who can do these things. Crusades will disappear, religious wars will disappear, jihads will disappear. No woman is interested; her interest is very pragmatic, real. She is more interested in clothes, in cosmetics, in beauty; and those concerns are good--they keep you more alive. Man's concerns are very dangerous--political, religious, economic--and they make more and more mischief.

In the name of serving humanity more mischief happens than anything else: in three thousand years, five thousand wars have been fought and the whole credit goes to man. Millions of people are killed in the name of love, in the name of democracy, in the name of freedom, in the name of God. Now, no woman can do that. And I don't think you can have a world war because of cosmetics or clothes and designs and dramas and new dishes--you can't have world wars because of these things!


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 224 of 510 )
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The credibility gap : Pentagon lies and civilian deaths in afghanistan, workingforchange.com

Rumsfeld isn't telling whole story : thestar.com

Secret US deal with Putin over ABM treaty By Toby Harnden in Washington, portal.telegraph.co.uk

ET TU, ISRAEL? : Did the Israelis have advance notice of 9/11? Probably. Justin Raimondo

Horowitz's Horrornaama

Afghan 'kamikaze camels' warning : BeebOnline

Scrambled Messages, nypress.com

Translators Interpret bin Laden Tape : Yahoo portal... many more stories... there...

U.S. Bars Surrender of Qaida and Presses Attack With Bombs and Special Forces By Susan B. Glasser, Washington Post Service IHT

U.S. Troubled by Failure to Capture or Kill Qaida Leaders Thomas E. Ricks and Steve Vogel Washington Post Service IHT

POWELL & BUSH DISAGREE OVER NEXT TERROR TARGET by Jim Lobe

A dangerous list to the right By John H. Bunzel

Will our constitutional rights be a casualty of war? By Jim Wallis

What if bin Laden isn't caught? Bush's personalizing of war could prove troublesome

Ramsey Clark, Peacenik : Memo To: Rep. Henry Hyde [R-IL] From: Jude Wanniski, Re: Ramsey Clark's U.N. Letter on Iraq

Un-American, Fly-Shit Melody by Gilles d'Aymery

We May Have Waited Too Long By Deck Deckert


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 225 of 510 )
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Happy Xmas (War Is Over)
Yoko Ono & John Lennon

So this is Xmas
And what have you done
Another year over
And a new one just begun
And so this is Xmas
I hope you have fun
The near and the dear one
The old and the young

A very Merry Xmas
And a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear

And so this is Xmas
For weak and for strong
For rich and the poor ones
The world is so wrong
And so happy Xmas
For black and for white
For yellow and red ones
Let's stop all the fight

A very Merry Xmas
And a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear

And so this is Xmas
And what have we done
Another year over
A new one just begun
And so happy Xmas
We hope you have fun
The near and the dear one
The old and the young

A very Merry Xmas
And a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear
War is over, if you want it
War is over now

Happy Xmas

them sing songs...
Happiness John : Tributes in RealAudio
Neil Young Singing 'Imagine'... tathagat replaces 'brotherhood' with 'siblinghood' for obvious reasons... John tells me its foockin' foine with him :), why didn'tch u foocking tull me bufour...
The Prose and Poetry of John Lennon...


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 226 of 510 )
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Cruelty of memory : Edward Said
Understanding Indian Muslims By Balraj Puri in soon2be The Buddhist

We have only tears for the soulful Baiju Bawra By Rooma Mehra Sunday Tribune "Aarzoo jurm wafaa jurm, tamanna hai gunaah/ Yeh woh duniya hai jahaan pyaar nahin ho sakta/ Kaise bazaar ka dastoor tumhein samjhaaoon/ Bik gaya jo woh kharidaar nahin ho sakta..."

Stuck Records : TOI

THE SCORE SO FAR: MOSCOW 10; WASHINGTON 2

U.S. should reconsider aid to Israel St. Petersberg Times

Is John Walker a failure of liberalism? The Chicago Tribune

fairy tale at Christmas : Coverage of this war has played down the civilian deaths and 4m refugees, feeding a new US doctrine of terror By Madeleine Bunting, The Guardian

Breeding little hawks By Javed Jabbar in The Buddhist

America's World War II Prison Camps : lewrockwell.com

Returning to the Roots of Patriotism by Dan McDonald lewrockwell.com

Jensen: Bush administration dilemma: Dealing with Arafat now that Israel refuses to : rockymountainnews.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 227 of 510 )
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Are humans, getting more and more mad/insane/defect ?.. Or, am I getting more sane,.. or, more insane ?!

Presently, hardly socializing, and having a certain order in my psychic and at times silence,.. when I do come in contact with human minds, (even if it is for a short time,..at the´bakery or buying a snack somewhere), I see all this output of distorted, dishonest, noisy and substanceless expressing of apparently and utterly, 'defect' minds.. !? Also my ex-girl-friend, whom I have not seen for quite a while, when there is a short exchange via letters or telephone messages, it seems to me that her communication skills have deteriorated even more,.. to a level of where her responses are completely 'off the wall'.. !?

Is humanity a mad-house, or is it me that is the mad-house ? Has anyone else, experienced this ? (yup jb... it dawned upon tathagat too...

More & more peoples' communication/relating styles, seem to be like a wall of static/gibberish/screeching&twisted sounds, with hardly any substance .. a kind of zombie-belches and growls from some 'beyond', impossible to cut thru and reach the other person .. as if, there is actually, 'nobody home'...

And their 'heavy-metal' growling 'music', .. to be honest, _does leave_ their bleeding marks and pollution, on the ears of one's 'soul' .. At times, I can almost envy, the insensitive ones(the ones for whom, all this cacophony, is not a problem).. they seem to survive rather well .. jb


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 228 of 510 )
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The Nonsense Mantras of Our Times : By Ilija Trojanow and Ranjit Hoskote

What's the world like?/ A flock of sheep./ One falls into the ditch,/ the rest jump in. Kabir (Sakhi: 240, The Bijak of Kabir, trans. Linda Hess and Shukdev Singh)

Criminalizing Dissent by Sarah Blackstock

Fear Drives the Making of a Secret Government By Charles Levendosky New York Times News Service, IHT

From the Irv Rubin Bust to the Stern Gang: The Rich History of Jewish Terrorism Oy McVey by Jason Vest, villagevoice.com

Bush's Coup d'Etat by Harry Browne

The innocent dead in a coward's war : Estimates suggest US bombs have killed at least 3,767 civilians : Seumas Milne, The Guardian

Did Osama Buy His Freedom from a Pushtun Commander? And, will America's Media Continue it Protection of Terrorist Drug Dealers? by Mary Mostert, Analyst, Banner of Liberty - (www.bannerofliberty.com)

Praful Bidwai : WAR OR PEACE: Why war is no option HT

The Irrelevant, the Invisible, and the Impossible By Hanan Ashravi The Art of Institutionalized Oppression: An Israeli Manual : By Ramzy Baroud, Editor-in-Chief, palestinechronicle.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 229 of 510 )
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Restrain the war mongers AJ Philip in Indian Express

CAGe Dec 13. Quote. Unquote. : By Pamela Philipose in Indian Express

Edward Said wonders: is Israel more secure now?

The mad leading the blind War mongers and their media lapdogs workingforchange.com

India and Pakistan on the brink of war FROM COOMI KAPOOR IN DELHI AND ZAHID HUSSAIN IN ISLAMABAD The Times

The Wars on Terrorism JONATHAN SCHELL The Nation

Goofing-up again (rolling on the floor lol) : Coomi Kapoor in Indian Express

Killing Other People's Children By Lawrence McGuire

The people who got hit were going to congratulate Karzai on the transfer of power Beeb

The Enduring War: History's Lessons by Christopher D. Cook and John Rodgers

Need for constraint : Masooda Bano in Jang

Bush Predicts 'War Year' in 2002 : Yahoo News Portal


thetruth  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 230 of 510 )
The terror cycle....GO TO PAKISTAN...SEE FOR URSELF..... HINDU POPULATION WAS 23% IN 1948 , In 1991 HINDU POPULATION less than 1.5%.... So we can see who r the villains , who r the enemies of civilisation....THE HAPPENINGS IN PAKISTAN WILL EVEN PUT LATE MR. HITLER TO SHAME ...SOME PEOPLE HAVE A RELIGION WHO GURANTEES THEM 72 WIVES AND 80000 SLAVES IN HEAVEN FOR MURDERING THE KAFFIRS....

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 231 of 510 )
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Power and visibility : Dr Tariq Rahman

...Who killed Buddhism? _...asks Udit Raj... in Buddhadesh Times

It’s story-time, folks : That’s enough, the ranting against Dr Joshi must cease : purophacer Mushirul Hasan in Indian Express

Now That We've Lost the Anti-War, We Need the Peace Movement More Than Ever : Why Doves Must Fly By Andrew Hsiao, in VillageVoice

Central Asia Concern Grows that U.S. Has Used Depleted Uranium Baltimorechronicle.com:

New Bin Laden Tape Accuses US of Attacking Islam : The independent

US investigating whether nukes in country: Congressman: 'I Wouldn't Be Surprised if There Were a Nuclear Blast in Israel or US' By RICHARD SALE, UPI Terrorism Correspondent

As a neighbour and friend of both countries, China is very concerned : Beeb

Veteran takes up pen for peace : denverpost.com

Israeli Soldiers Attack Peaceful Demonstration : palestinemonitor.org

Labour lurches to the Right in Israel By Alan Philps in Jerusalem : portal.telegraph.co.uk

Cheney's hiding in a cave, too--in Penn. suntimes.com

China renews call for restraint by India, Pakistan By Anil K Joseph in Beijing

Shoe bomb suspect 'one of many' : 100 More Shoe Bombers Ready? : Beeb

On, Comet! On, Cupid! On, Ashcroft! On, Blitzen! : By TIM ROZGONYI, LA Times

Bush the butTTunnnUnilaterally Junks the ABM Accord : by Jeffrey St. Clair : inthesetimes.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 232 of 510 )
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.Jensen: India, Pakistan conflict troublesome for America, rockymountainnews.com

Latest US Bombing Error Kills 40 Sleeping Afghanis, guardian.co.uk

Indians, Pakistanis March for Peace, dailynews.yahoo.com

China Warns Israel Not to Sell AWACS to India, TOI

H.D.S. Greenway: Intolerance is face of the real 'danger within', Boston Globe

Peace plan for the Holy Land : Pat Buchanan

Let's not militarize the heavens By HELEN THOMAS, HEARST NEWSPAPERS

Bin Laden: 'We Are at the Start of our Military Action on America' by Robert Fisk, independent.co.uk

Has This Confusing War Solved Anything? by Richard Lloyd Parry, independent.co.uk

List of 2001 World Conflicts, dailynews.yahoo.com

If You Can’t Beat Them, Humiliate Them by Ramzy Baroud, palestinechronicle.com

Palestinian Children Bear the Brunt of Violence and Occupation by Patrick McNamara, counterpunch.org

India, Pakistan – Both Ready for War, yahoo.com

Strange Symbiosis – Israel & Anti-Semitism Justine Raimondo


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 233 of 510 )
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MUSHARRAF TWISTS BUSH's ARM FROM K.P. NAYAR in Washington ...(look in archive dated 29th Dec. 2001. The Hindu And The Telegraph change their URLs... it is like, publishing twice... the same stuff... and turn off and turn away a few 'hits'... ah after 9 hours from now it would be Try This Next

Rein in the pyromaniacs : ...Verbal bonfires in uncertain times do us no good(?) it messes up a lotta poor lives...

This Is Not a Test... By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF, NYT (Reg. Required)

...it is the way the escalations mimic war simulations held over the years. Spooks and scholars have conducted many mock conflicts between the two countries, with specialists playing the parts of leaders on each side. Very frequently the result is nuclear war. In conversations with experts, including those who launched nuclear strikes in these war games, the precariousness of the South Asian nuclear balance is clear. Paradoxically, the tiny number of nuclear weapons on each side creates instability and an incentive to launch a first strike — use your arsenal or lose it.

Now, I don't really think that another war will erupt between India and Pakistan, or that if it does it will go nuclear. Essentially what is happening is that the Indian government is huffing and bluffing, both for domestic political gain and to scare Pakistan into making concessions. As Stephen P. Cohen, an American scholar, puts it: "The Indians are escalating the crisis to an international level. They see this as a good opportunity to press Pakistan."

But the risks are so cataclysmic that Washington must do more, partly by extracting concessions from Pakistan but mostly by emphasizing to India that it must come to its senses and stand down.

The nub of the problem today is that India is behaving as if it and Pakistan were still two-bit countries. Talk to Indian officials and journalists, and the same refrain arises: Americans are destroying terrorists in Afghanistan and Israelis are swatting militants in the West Bank, so why can't we whack Pakistan for the attack on our Parliament building?...




Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 234 of 510 )
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Image and Reality: The Role of the U.S. in the Middle East : by Hanan Ashrawi [Media Monitors Network]

Al Qaeda planning next phase : From a Pakistan safehouse, the Taliban's top intelligence chief claims bin Laden is alive and well. By Mashal Lutfullah Special to The Christian Science Monitor

Weapons of mass destruction — going nuclear in Iraq By Ramzi Kysia, jordantimes.com

Fog of war : "Black Hawk Down's" gripping images of the U.S. military's missteps in Somalia grope about in a context-free void. By Andrew O'Hehir in Salon.com

Here's a news flash: War is hell. All right, it helps if we don't forget that, especially at this time of pseudo-war, when the distant, ambiguous conflicts playing out in Whateveristan or Televisionistan seem more like video games, or breathless "reality" specials hosted by Ashleigh Banfield, than the real thing.

Scientists confirm bin Laden weapons tests BY ANTHONY LOYD, Lundon Tames : FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT OF THE YEAR

Published on Friday, December 28, 2001 by Common Dreams, Is bin Laden the Lord of the Rings? by Ira Chernus

Advani’s albatross : HT Editorial

Sow seeds of construction : By Praful Bidwai in HT

'The most precious gift' By Kathy Kelly jordantimes.com
HAPPY NOO YEAR

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 235 of 510 )
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India won't act under US pressure: Addvaani LakhanRekhawala... yeh muNh aur masooor ki daal... or why pumkin don't grow on trees... ha ha ha!!! SiphyDotCom Haajir aHai

Many leading newspapers owned by dalle-baniye in India and Pakistan have called for their governments to show restraint as tension increases in the wake of the terror attack on the Indian parliament.

WAV Vijay Dutt, London-based journalist with the Buddhadesh Times has India's perspective, : CNN... 1.7 MBs / 2 mins 40 secs [WAV file]

CNN : Shahed Sadullah, Journalist with the Daily Jang for Aman has Pakistan's perspective, 3.3 MB / 5 mins 17 secs [WAV sound]

Four Pakistani soldiers killed bunkers destroyed in firing Drudge Report, Sat Dec 29 2001 03:12:37 ET

1000's flee homes to escape military build-up : The latest military stand-off is part of a bitter rivalry, reports Rahul Bedi, from Chandigarh, north India, THE IRISH TIMES

The Indian domestic factor By Dr Jassim Taqui

19 Indian Soldiers 'shaheed' Laying Landmines at Indian side of the border : JAISALMER: Nineteen Army jawans were 'shaheedoed' in a blast during training exercises on the Indo-Pakistan border, official reports reaching the district headquarters here said Saturday

The Opposition does a balancing act : The Opposition parties have had to tread carefully in negotiating the aftermath of December 13. Javed M. Ansari and K.V. Prasad of the eeendu on how they did it.

A borderline existence : Arun Joshi/Vimal Bhatia/Ram Prakash Meel of HT (Srinagar/Jaisalmer/Sri Ganganagar, December 29)


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 236 of 510 )
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The Struggle for the Soul of the 21st Century by Bill Clinton, CEO de globalVillage The lecture was presented 14 December 2001. Published by Beeb

FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS FOLKS: Hope you had a merry Christmas – 'cause it's gonna be a Satanic new year : Justin Raimondo

India bans peace group from visiting Pakistan

India, Pakistan Rattle Their Nukes by Eric Margolis

Pakistan moves troops to east By Nilofar Suhrawardy, Special to Arab News

India's coercive diplomacy By C. Raja Mohan The Eeendu

2002 forecast for Asia: more bloodshed and death Yahoo

I remain, sir, Haggard of the Hindu Kush : Never mind the needless deaths, we've only succeeded in making bin Laden a shadow of his former self : By Terry Jones : The Observer

India Warriors Ready for Pakistan Fight : By Beth Duff-Brown Associated Press Writer WP Maai Baap

We may never find bin Laden, Bush concedes : Ed Helmore in New York, The Observer

Ten reasons why Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not the Taleban and Al-Qaeda - The Daily Star (Lebanon) (Dec 30, 2001)

A Tragic Calculus - Newsweek (Dec 23, 2001)

We will win nuclear war, says India BY RICHARD BEESTON, DIPLOMATIC EDITOR AND ZAHID HUSSAIN IN ISLAMABAD


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 237 of 510 )
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...ka bhai saaiTwa down ra'hat hai most of de times... ?!!!?

The Lord Chief Justice Woolf of UK... has accused the Home Office of promoting too much legislation... as he renews his attack on new anti-terror laws... n it be repealed as soon as they were no longer "absolutely necessary"... : BBC

Whales' Deaths Linked to Navy's Sonar Tests By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer

Where does Musharraf go from here? : While facing challenges in Afghanistan, Gen Musharraf now has to fight on many fronts, including relations with India and tackling political restlessness at home. Shahzeb Jillani presents Meezaan bbc.co.uk/urdu

How far back can Islamabad bend? Pakistan's Afghan policy took a U-turn with a little prodding from the US and a few dollars in cash. Is Kashmir policy next? At what price? Wusatullah Khan's Maktoob-e-Pakistan, bbc.co.uk/urdu

Muted voices, suppressed knowledge... By Avijit Pathak in HT

India opens door for talks with Pakistan By Ahmed Rashid in Lahore and Rahul Bedi in New Delhi (Filed: 01/01/2002)

Knocking them down just to build them up By Michael Martinez chicagotribune.com

New year's wishes By Tony Benn Former Labour MP in The Guardian

Blame this bad reporting on `the fog of war' : Slowly but surely, America is learning to laugh again. : Thank you, Geraldo. And thank you, Fox News, for sending him to Afghanistan. By CARL HIAASEN : Miami Herald

60's quotes...

Sharon strengthened by rival's election : Fracturing of Labor Party gives prime minister more power STRATFOR

Israel Premier Vetoes Truce Plan...

Sharon, Bush, Bin Laden Most Hated Men of Year in Saudi : tehrantimes.com

Avoiding wars needs courage and responsibility By Dr Jamal A. Shurdom jordantimes.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 238 of 510 )
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Journalists are playing into the hands of George Bush when they unthinkingly insist that everything is different since Sept. 11 BY MATT SMITH of SF weekly

Press Review By Matt Taibbi : ...I had heard that The New York Times had performed more efficiently than usual lately, but I was completely unprepared for the effect of the actual paper in print. It features wartime propaganda so bald that it would not be out of place on leaflets dropped by C-130 onto enemy territory. It probably makes sense to raise the question of how much the government really distinguishes between winning those faraway hearts and minds, and winning ours back here. Probably not much. The only difference is that as an American, as opposed to as a member of a future subject race, you have to pay $2.50 for the pleasure of reading your Times— although I did enjoy mine with a free Meal-Ready-to-Eat, Beef with Mushrooms, that my father brought back from Afghanistan as a gift.


The flaws in Downing Street's fatwa : Claiming war has made us safer is a dangerous hostage to fortune : George Galloway : guardian.co.uk

The Arrival of Orwellian America By Rick Gee, strike-the-root.com

Pakistan Jilted as Afghans Warm Up to India 2130 GMT, 020102, Stratfor

Civilian death toll is not big news : By Vincent Browne, Irish Times

U.N. Fears Abuses of Terror Mandate : Rights Monitors See Some Governments Using New Requirements to Justify Repression by William Orme

Allan Massie: The real power resides in the state By ALLAN MASSIE

Nat Hentoff : Miseducating the Young on Freedom : The Patriotism Enforcers : villagevoice.com

America's elusive quarry : By Mahir : The Dawn

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 239 of 510 )
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First, they came for the terrorists,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a terrorist.
Then they came for the foreigners,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a foreigner.
Then they came for the Arab-Americans, and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't Arab-American.
Then they came for the radical dissenters, and I didn't speak up,
because I was just an ordinary troubled citizen.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.


(Adapted from Pastor Niemoller's 1945 quote about the Nazis*)


Buying a gladiatorial myth : Both Bin Laden and US cold war nostalgics pine for epic narratives By Naomi Klein in The Guardian

War won’t solve a thing : It won’t eliminate terrorism, ...it will ruin our economies BY SANAT MOHANTY, IE

The Government That Cries Wolf By Stephen Gowans @ swans.com

Good Cop, Bad Cop and Pakistan Stratfor

Pakistan's perspective : New U.S. defense pact with India dangerously threatens rival's sense of security : Muddassir Rizvi : WorkingForChange


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 240 of 510 )
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INDIA'S TERRORIST MINISTER : Defense chief George Fernandes raised funds and supplied arms to the terrorist Tamil Tigers : Justin Raimondo

INDIA'S 'AMEN CORNER' : Why is Andrew Sullivan whitewashing the persecution of India's Christians? : Justin Raimondo

...surely must know about the widespread persecution of Christians, particularly Catholics, since the Hindu nationalists came to power in 1996. That year, the United Christian Forum for Human Rights documented over 120 attacks on Christians by Hindu-fascists. The wave of murders, church-burnings, and other outrages has increased exponentially ever since Interior Minister L. K. Advani, a Hindu hardliner, took his" chariot journey "from a Hindu temple in Gujarat province to Ayodhya, alleged to be the birthplace of the Hindu deity Rama. Like Mussolini's march on Rome, Advani's journey was the signal for the beginning of a new era in the politics of the subcontinent, marking the rise of militant Hindu-fascism as the dominant political force. The Hindu fundamentalist Bharatiya Janatha Party (BJP) quickly grew from a fringe group, with 2 seats in Parliament, to the biggest party on the Indian scene. Advani's march on Ayodhya culminatedin the demolition of a mosque there, and coincided with launching of a program dedicated to " saffronizing" Indian society.

UNHOLY SACRIFICE :
You might think that the term "Hindu-fascism" is as much an overstatement as its antipode, "Islamo-fascism," which we have heard so much about lately from Sullivan, Christopher Hitchens, and the pro-war crowd. Yet what else are we to make of the BJP's official slogan, "One Nation, One People, One Culture" -- eerily similar to that of the man Nazis? In this context, should we be surprised by the news that a Hindu priest recently sacrificed an 8-year-old boy to the god Shiva, known as "the Destroyer," by chopping off his head?



Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 241 of 510 )
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Rise of Internet 'Borders' Prompts Fears for Web's Future By Ariana Eunjung Cha, Washington Post Staff Writer

Mandela to Apologize for Supporting U.S. on Terror War by Farah Khan...

Sharon Dooms Israel—and Perhaps the United States—to Endless War By Rachelle Marshall for WRMEA, THE WASHINGTON REPORT ON MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS

Musharraf forces 'hand of friendship' on bitter foe By Peter Popham in Delhi, The Independent

Seeking havoc : Israeli pressure on the Bush administration to launch an attack on Iraq must be ignored, writes Ibrahim Nafie in Al Ahram, Cairo

Beware patriotism when it seeks to take away rights
: By M. Cherif Bassiouni. M. Cherif Bassiouni is a professor of law at DePaul University

Indian rhetoric adds to the chill By Sultan Shahin Asian Times

10 Things to Do During the High Alert Through March 11 by Joseph Barbato

You'll never walk alone : Peace activists from Europe and the United States have been staging solidarity demonstrations in Bethlehem and Jerusalem to tell Palestinians they are not alone in facing Israeli occupation. Michael Jansen accompanied the activists : Al Ahram

Spare our blushes and put a sack on it : Taping a bag over the heads of Afghan prisoners stops us feeling anything for them, so we can breakfast in peace : Terry Jones in The Observer

China's carried out an unsuccessful launch test of a re-entry vehicle for its newest long-range missile, the Dong Feng-31, according to U.S. officials.

US missed three chances to seize Bin Laden : Sunday Times

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'Low-key' Cherie leaves India cold By Nigel Morris of The independent in Delhi

Cherie Blair is used to being showered with gifts when she travels abroad, but she has received more brickbats than bouquets in India.

She has been criticised in the local press for her "stand-offish" manner after reporters were denied access when she visited a school, law centre and temple in Bangalore.

The Times of India complained: "The visitors seemed slightly hostile and the venues she visited were [a] 'no trespassers' zone for Indians. It did leave a touch of the old colonial trace. She refused to even wave out to the people in waiting when she visited the Christel House, a school for poor children.

Indian minister attacks 'interfering' Blair : Kashmir crisis By Nigel Morris in Bangalore, India

Blair's visit fails to calm Indian rage at Pakistan By Andrew Sparrow in New Delhi and Rahul Bedi in Kathmandu

After the expose : Hundred hours of tape, eight months of after-shocks By TARUN J. TEJPAL in IE

Pentagon concedes weakness of military strategy in Afghanistan By Toby Harnden in Washington

Police: Tampa flyer voiced support for bin Laden : Crash into bank building a suicide, officials say : CNN

Facts Altered in Anti-Terror Effort : By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer

Mirror, Mirror of The Fall : By MAUREEN DOWD NYT (Reg. Required)

Someone Tell the Kids By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN, NYT


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_Rival Armies Are 'Eyeball To Eyeball' in Tense Kashmir : By Mark Landler New York Times Service : IHT

South Asia war could be biggest since WWII By Martin Sieff, UPI Senior News Analyst

Eradicating terrorism — two steps By Walid M. Sadi, The Jordan Times

Pakistan Widens Crackdown, Rounding Up More Militants By ERIK ECKHOLM

22 Indian troops killed while laying mines : Indian spy drone crashes in Azad Kashmir : jang.com.pk

Afghan City, Free of Taliban, Returns to Rule of the Thieves By C. J. CHIVERS The New York Times

Intifada was 'big mistake': Arafat aide U.S. envoy returning: Palestinian No. 2 says armed uprising has backfired : Martin Himel : National Post

In the January Chronicles : Islam, the West and Faith : Scott McConnel

Making Artificial Distinctions : War is Politics : Alan Bock

THE BIG CHANGE (Part I) : Post-9/11: Left and Right merge into a permanent War Party : Justin Raimondo

Bloody evidence of US blunder : By Rory Carroll in Qalaye Niazi, The Guardian

_In search of enemies : Michael Young : dailystar.com.lb

Do We Fear Freedom? Our rights are not abstract : By Robert Corn-Revere Legal Times

The glaring omissions : frontierpost.com.pk

The strange case of Zacarias Moussaoui : FBI refused to investigate man charged in September 11 attacks By Patrick Martin, wsws.org


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'Mullah Ashcroft' to Meet 'Mullahs' Advani, Fernandes : Rajghatta TOI

Dubya shoots from the lip, again CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA... (what do u expect... the guy looks dangerously foolish...

Radical Muslims to bring terror to Britain, militant vows : AFP/SMH

HAPPY NEW YEAR, WELCOME TO ORWELL'S 1984 By Paul Walter NewsWithViews.com

A St. Petersburg Times Editorial : Trumped up terrorism numbers

New controversy over weapons ship seized by Israel : Yahoo

Israel and India 'share same views' (on TeRRoR... it's terror when 'chosen people of God' utter the very word... TeRRoR) : BBC

More video evidence against Osama found megastories.com

''Somalia: a hidden U.S. agenda?'' : By Sharif Nashashibi, Chairman of Arab Media Watch, yellowtimes.org

Antiterrorism spending passes $60-billion : Associated Press

Bush Says War on Terror Justifies Deficit Spending By Arshad Mohammed


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Taking out the Taliban - I : By Gail Omvedt in The Eeendu

``For never in this world Do hatreds cease by hatred. By freedom from hatred they cease: This is the eternal dhamma.' (Dhammapada 5)

Peace is the only option : Let our leaders remember that their job as politicians is to find political solutions to intractable problems. By Kalpana Sharma & Ayesha Khan

Afghan war ripples across Central Asia : Pakistani President Musharraf caught in political quagmire David Rieff, Special to The San Francisco Chronicle

As ye sow, so shall ye reap : Americans can take comfort in military superiority, says JOHN LLOYD. But their high-tech weapons may come back to haunt them : theglobeandmail.com

More than Bush bargained for? : American involvement has South Asia on the brink of nuclear war By ERIC MARGOLIS, Contributing Foreign Editor TORONTO SUN

The FBI's ol’ black magic : Getting another step closer to Big Brotherhood : David Corn, WorkingForChange


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Patriotism of the Ostrich by Tony Judt : nybooks.com

-Nuclear Weapons: Abolish or Perish by Andreas Toupadakis : mediamonitors.net

When War Doesn't End By Tamara Straus, AlterNet

Nuclear testing back on US agenda : By Walter Pincus in Washington for SMH

-Alllaaahh! 'Allah came knocking at my heart' BY GILES WHITTELL The Times ...Anecdotal evidence suggests that there has been a surge in conversions to Islam since September 11, especially among affluent young white Britons

China fixes Pak air imbalance with India : By Kamran Khan

Explosive New Book Published in France Alleges that U.S. Was in Negotiations to Do a Deal with Taliban

Beware of mission creep : Col. David H. Hackworth, worldnetdaily.com


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America, the War, and Israel: An Exchange : By Louise Weinberg, Reply by Tony Judt : The New York Review of Books

The Nixon Story You Never Heard By Joan Hoff, counterpunch.org

Have the Blairs gone completely bonkers? thesun.co.uk

Arms Seizure Backfires, Wounds Israel : StratFor (Strategic Forecasting)

California Gov. calls for added wiretap authority : State could track e-mail, Net use Lynda Gledhill, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau sfgate.com

Afghanistan enters new phase of warfare By Syed Saleem Shahzad


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Click to enlarge the Laxman

A MAD MAD WORLD World cartoonists turn on the USA

Charley Reese: Peace, goodwill missing this year

THEY'RE ONLY SLEEPING : by AHMED RASHID, Why militant Islamicists in Central Asia aren't going to go away. nooyorker phaikt

Jensen: U.S. won't evade fallout by waging 'proxy wars'

US assures Pakistan of defence cooperation : National defence at all costs, Islamabad tells Washington; Zakheim meets Hamid Nawaz, Shaukat : By Shakil Shaikh & Nadeem Malik, Jang-e-Aman

Israels boosts military ties with India : Ben Lynfield In Jerusalem

Russia wary of America's stance on military bases By Ben Fenton

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 249 of 510 )
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'India's deadly defence : ... the 1,800 mile long minefield : Outlawed weapons create no man's land on Indian Side of the border : By Simon Tisdall and Ewen MacAskill : The Guardian

'Pakistan wants its airbases back : Pasni and Jacobabad now in joint use of Pak-US air forces By Kamran Khan : The Jang

US asks Israel to downplay talks on Phalcon sale to India : Harsh Dobhal (PTI) : Jerusalem, January 10, HT

What has 'Victory' Achieved? : by Harry Browne : January 11, 2002

'CIA report on missile build-up baseless: China TOI

'Anti-American agents in Pakistan and Iran accused of providing escape routes for terror suspects : Julian Borger in Washington : The Guardian

Collateral tragedies : U.S. can't ignore civilian deaths : dallasnews.com edit

The Bunker : George Szamuely : NY Press


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 250 of 510 )
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...so much so for divide and rule... the trick worked fine... both these baboonlands must have bought weapon worth billions from their white 'masters'... while their people starve... their schools and everything else... screams of poverty... right now about 3 million people running amok... in fear, livin' on the edge... untold misery for women/ children/ old n the sick... thousands of crores worth crop lost... across the 'borders'... "Masters of War" ... I hope u all die and ur death(s), slow and pianful one... will come soon... I will follow ur caskets... in the pale afternoon... and opposition won't forget CAG's Casket catch...

'A Victim of Its Own Rhetoric? : By Cyrill Stieger, Neue Zürcher Zeitung/ Switzerland

'No Need for War : Vajpayee should meet Musharraf. Curiously, the December 13 attack can serve to open up an opportunity for India-Pakistan cooperation: FEER

Dangerous Manoeuvres : A confrontation that began with a suicide attack and has moved to the brink of war could bring about real progress on long-standing issues. But first, the two sides have to resolve the current conflict : By Joanna Slater/DELHI and Ahmed Rashid/LAHORE, FEER

Independence for Kashmir Could Have Advantages for India : By Philip Bowring, International Herald Tribune

'Hiding behind a nuclear cloud By Nadeem Iqbal in Asian Times

Who will strike first? The Economist

INDO-PAK : Nuclear deployment danger : By RALPH COSSA for japantimes.co.jp

The isolation of India By Francesco Sisci for Asian Times

'Kashmir grafic : Mapping the conflict : TIME

Here is a truth we can all agree on : There can't be real friendship between India and Pakistan until two old, angry wounds are healed By Kamila Shamsie : The Guardian

(Beeb, Sahara, FTV and PTV off the network in most cities... while Pak has allowed Indian TV back...)


every  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 251 of 510 )
Try ur best , But u fail to hide ur anti-nonmuslim face...Ur ugly anti-India attitude takes off the mask so often....Don't pretend to be a holy ghost...

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 252 of 510 )
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Unny's Business As Usual

...oh what an address2be, general... what a build up... now, u look like world leader... no one take Dubya n Blair seriously... u will git better TRPs neeway... don't remember Advaani having any credibility whatsoever... not now... not ever... he looks n sounds a king dhoort, ghaag, and a makkaar... whatever he is at he would fail... wonder how many more lives he is going to play monster with...

... there must be someway outta here/ said the general 2 the hindu hawks/ there is 2 much CONfusion/ I can git no relief... hostile nations on two big borders... and coalition letting me down... while i plead singin' 'stand by me'...

...no reason 2 git excited/ the chief he kindly spoke/ there r many here among us/ who feels life is but a joke/ U n I have been thru' that/ and this is not our fate... so let us not talk falsely now... the hours are getting late... the general plays the harmonica... all along the watch tower/ the general kept his view... outside in the distance... a wild cat did growl... Eff something were approaching... n the wind begun 2 HOWL...

'We're ready for nuclear war' : by Nigel Rosser

Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S., Maleeha Lodhi, offers her perspective on the escalating tension between her country and neighboring India.

Limited war with Pakistan possible: Indian COAS

Teacher with anti-war views removed from teaching mass media class : By RAY PARKER, Naples News

India’s strategy: Attack across a wide front : Kanwar Sandhu for HT


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Ready…set…build! : A new base near China plus no ABM treaty equals a new arms race

India places great expectations on Israel ... : By Sudha Ramachandran

... and they could be misplaced : By Sultan Shahin

The Politics of Terrorism, or Civilians vs. Civilians : By William Pfaff, International Herald Tribune

‘No Man’s Land,’ a war masterpiece : Built on lunacy, : rage and fear, satire climaxes with a gut punch : Branko Djuric and Rene Bitorajac in "No Man's Land" : By David Germain ASSOCIATED PRESS

US challenged on terrorist evidence : Audrey Gillan : Saturday January 12, : The Guardian

Is Cataclysmic Terrorism Ahead? By Patrick J. Buchanan : January 12, 1999

Emerging alternatives in Palestine : Edward Said

A Question of Conscience : Hanan Ashrawi

'Mindless and mistaken : America's Afghan policy lacks coherence : Leader Friday January 11, 2002, The Guardian

'Ł1bn arms push to India :· Blair criticised over deal days after promoting peace · 60 Hawk jets in package promoted by ministers : By Richard Norton-Taylor and Ewen MacAskill, The Guardian

'Reckless Rhetoric : SIDDHARTH VARADARAJAN


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Unny's Business As Usual

-A 1-DAY FILM FESTIVAL OF AWARD WINNING DOCUMENTARIES WHICH LIFT THE VEIL ON THE MOTIVES AND METHODS OF MILITARY AGGRESSION

-War movies strike back : portal.telegraph.co.uk/arts

-Ending terror in Kashmir : India and Pakistan: Both need to take confidence-building measures to end tensions, legitimize politics. : sunspot.net/

-Without prejudice : American cant : The treatment of al-Qaeda and Taliban prisoners by the United States offends a sense of justice : Terrorism crisis - Observer special : Peter Beaumont Sunday January 13, 2002 The Obj;)erver

Text of President Musharraf's Address to the Nation : (on a single page) : The Dawn

more than 60 I's and 11 My's and 3 Mees... (K called himself 'the speaker'... Buddha called himself 'tathagat') the general... no actually... Prez Musharraf didn't even say ' Arabic of the Hebrew... 'Shalom YalekHum'... :), guy is good... progressive and modern... and compassionate that perhaps his religion teaches him...

"...Sectarian terrorism has been going on for years. Everyone of us is fed up of it. It is becoming unbearable. Our peace-loving people are keen to get rid of the Klashinkov and weapon culture. Every one is sick of it. It was because of this that we banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Sipah-e-Muhammad. Yet little improvement occurred. The day of reckoning has come. Do we want Pakistan to become a theocratic state? Do we believe that religious education alone is enough for governance or do we want Pakistan to emerge as a progressive and dynamic Islamic welfare state?... "

-Human Rights Developments ; India (Buddhadesh)

-Human Rights Developments : Pakistan (Progressive, modern, moderate Mammadland???)


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Indo-Pak Border: War May Turn Daily Ritual Into Tragedy The Observer

laws that make America look a lot like those countries it always criticises. By Pilita Clark, SMH

Central Asia: U.S. Military Buildup Shifts Spheres Of InfluenceBy Jean-Christophe Peuch

-America quietly changes war aim : FROM ROLAND WATSON IN WASHINGTON

-Spare us wild west justicendependent.co.uk

The US Nuclear Posture Review: Putting the Promise of Disarmament on the Shelf By David Krieger

Tony Blair Tours the World, and the American Empire Expands : By William Pfaff International Herald Tribune

`Leave the house now - bulldozers are outside' By Amira Hass haaretzdaily.com

Those who sow the wind will reap the whirlwind By Nehemia Strasler, haaretzdaily.com

BRITAIN has protested to the US about the treatment of al-Qaeda prisoners... BY TOM BALDWIN, MELISSA KITE AND ROLAND WATSON, Times UK


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 256 of 510 )
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Indo-Pak Border: War May Turn Daily Ritual Into Tragedy The Observer

laws that make America look a lot like those countries it always criticises. By Pilita Clark, SMH

Central Asia: U.S. Military Buildup Shifts Spheres Of InfluenceBy Jean-Christophe Peuch

-America quietly changes war aim : FROM ROLAND WATSON IN WASHINGTON

-Spare us wild west justicendependent.co.uk

The US Nuclear Posture Review: Putting the Promise of Disarmament on the Shelf By David Krieger

Tony Blair Tours the World, and the American Empire Expands : By William Pfaff International Herald Tribune

`Leave the house now - bulldozers are outside' By Amira Hass haaretzdaily.com

Those who sow the wind will reap the whirlwind By Nehemia Strasler, haaretzdaily.com

BRITAIN has protested to the US about the treatment of al-Qaeda prisoners... BY TOM BALDWIN, MELISSA KITE AND ROLAND WATSON, Times UK


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 257 of 510 )
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INDIA PAKISTAN CONFLICT! in CARTOONS by all the top cartoonists.

editorial cartoonist

Pak seeks UN intervention to ease tension with India : HT/PTI : United Nations, January 9

Washington will keep decommissioned nuclear weapons in reserve : By Walter Pincus in Washington for SMH

Bad Intelligence Causing Pentagon-CIA Rift : StratFor

Phernandes Blasts US Policy on India : HT

No certainty war can be avoided: US : By Amir Mateen, Jang for Aman

British al-Qaida suspects disappear : By Rory Carroll in Kabul, Wednesday January 9, 2002, The Guardian

Taleban leaders freed in US snub : FROM TIM REID IN KANDAHAR AND ROLAND WATSON IN WASHINGTON
Ed Stein


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Sack
-US moves fuel bellicosity elsewhere By James Carroll,

-Musharraf Says He Will Back Down if India Does :

-War is No Excuse to Surrender Hard-Won Civil Rights; It's Time To Do More Than Complain by Jeff Milchen

-Gulf News says: An opportunity for hope

-PAKISTAN - Library of Congress: A Country Study

-INDIA - A Library of Congress Country Study

-Editorial: Blowback II : Others use antiterror doctrine to settle scores : Sacramento Bee : Published 5:45 a.m. PST Thursday, Jan. 10, 2002

-The Long Wait by Kathy Kelly Commondreams.org

-Why They Believe The Big Lie by Ira Chernus, Commondreams.org

-Russia: Putin-Bush Palsy-Walsy? by Milo Clark

-Blind cruelty : ha'aretzdaily.com

-US will have its way in Kashmir By Achin Vanaik, (With permission from Foreign Policy In Focus http://www.fpif.org) @ Asia Times


sal  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 259 of 510 )
Tathagat

I enjoy your interesting posts !! Good going.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 260 of 510 )
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...Momma Bush'a, the buffoon wouldn't listen 2, 2 chew before swallow... :)... lol...

I guess the moron would be impeached for Insanity or stupidity... even American are so jaahil... can't tell from a ShaikH to a Sikh... meri bhaiNs bhii ho gayii bajrangii... lol...

-Britain has a duty to ensure the Geneva Conventions are upheld 'Those POWs against whom there is no evidence of international criminality must be repatriated' : Geoffrey Robertson : The Independent

-Under cover of revenge By Akiva Eldar, Haaretz

-Opening the Caspian Oil Gol MaalTap : A pipeline long sought by the U.S. looks set to win approval : Businessweek.com

-The Next Wave? : A suicide attack on India's Parliament could open a new front in the war against terror BY PHIL ZABRISKIE, The Time Mag.


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Reuters Photo

The Galileo spacecraft, which has been orbiting Jupiter since 1995, will make its final flyby past one of the giant gas planet's four major moons this week when it visits volcano-studded Io, U.S. space scientists said January 15, 2002. Galileo, which was launched in October, 1989 was expected to make its sixth pass of Io before scientists crash it into Jupiter to end the craft's mission. Io is seen in this image acquired by Galileo in September, 1996. (NASA-JPL via Reuters)

-India had planned attack for Jan 10 : Updated on 2002-01-15 10:10:31 (shame!! shame!!!)

-US doesn't have the right to decide who is or isn't a PoW : Ignore the Geneva convention and we put our own citizens in peril : Michael Byers : Monday January 14, 2002, The Guardian

-US defends captives' conditions : Beeb (as if they had any other option)

-NATO searches 4,200 ships in bid to track Osama, AFP, Rome, January 15, HT (...khisyaani billi Osaama nochey)

US jittery at symbolic meetings of grieving families By Kim Sengupta in Kabul, the independent.co.uk

-Zhirinovsky cleans up his act, loves America, Zawya.com

-U.S. Expands Military Ties Worldwide By Sally Buzbee, Associated Press Writer, Tuesday, January 15, 2002; 9:23 AM : Washington Post

-Pentagon Seeks New Caves to Bomb By Susanne M. Schafer, Associated Press Writer, Monday, : Washington Post

har eik choohey ke bill pe daijy cutter daal do... and afterwards the fuherer Bush Yawns and throws up, choke on it... and dies... coz he had a 'Pretzel' stuck up his throat... so he does a favour by departing... Dick's heart was weak... weaker when the count CON was on... with a little help from little brother Jeb... Dick's heart is further weakened by EnronCon... n give way after 2 weeks of Dubya's demise... Al Gore should be back... and Bill Clit as adbijhor... and am sure florida 'researcher recounter will find Gore a winner!!!

-As the bombs continue to fall, ...as victims of 11 September meet civilian victims of the war on terror By Kim Sengupta in Kabul, Independent

-Villagers cower as US bombs fall, 24 hours a day By Steve Vogel and Suzanne Goldenberg, SMH


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-Sweating Over Kashmir : Compromise is needed on both sides, and maybe an acknowledgement of history : FEER Edit

-Give Peace An Effing Chance _President Musharraf has tried to ease the tension on the Subcontinent, but the incessant military build-up could create an unstoppable momentum : By Ahmed Rashid/LAHORE and SARGODHA, FEER.com

-New Criticism Signals Tension Between U.S. and Russia _By Peter Baker Washington Post Service

-The Israeli authorities have denied claims that three Palestinian youths were tortured to death. Lara Marlowe sifts the evidence : The Irish Tames

-Anti-terror drive used to justify abuses SMH

-Reaching the parts other empires could not reach : In return for security in the region, the US will snap up central Asia's oil By Simon Tisdall, The Guardian
-Deterrence that failed _By Syed Refaqat, the dawn.com

-A Moment to Seize in Kashmir _By AYESHA SIDDIQA-AGHA. NYT

-Why is U.S. flouting rules on prisoners? _By Thomas Walkom of thestar.com

-What the army hides from the public _By Amira Hass : Ha'aretz

-The Anti-War, Anti-State Right _by Murray N. Rothbard, lewrockwell.com



Actor David Cross L) poses with two models as he arrives for at a party following the screening of his new comedy film "Run Ronnie Run!" (Me movie would be named 'Eat Harry Eat" hindi version would be 'Khaa Hari Khaa') January 12, 2002 at the 2002 Sundance Film Festival in Park City, Utah. The film based on characters from the HBO series "Mr. Show" follows a small town loser who becomes a television superstar. REUTERS/Fred Prouser


luvvmann  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 263 of 510 )
tathagat, stop this bullshit. you cannot cover your anti-india and anti-hindu bias with these postings. only fools like you will compromise with the pakistani monster. jammu and kashmir is an integral part of india and pakistan will be pushed out by force if necessary. then the state of pakistan will be liquidated nad broken into pieces. that is the only solution for peace. nothing else is acceptable. Moron.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 264 of 510 )
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A whole Lotta... BhaiNs Bhayi Bajrangi"
cagle.slate.msn.com

-Media and War, Appearance and Reality : StratPhor

-Human rights warning over response to September 11 : Richard Norton-Taylor : The Guardian

"The fight against terror must not buy into that logic. [It] must reaffirm the principle that no civilian should ever be deliberately killed or abused. But for too many countries, the anti-terror mantra has provided a new reason to ignore human rights."

-US Agent (dalla) Hamid Karzai... a fashion icon?!!!? By Sujannah Phrankel, Phasion Editor, the Independent

-Kashmir's children of war struggle to carry on, :[January 17, 2002 Posted: 12:36 PM HKT] (0436 GMT), (DD2NDTV khachchars, baiNs da tabelas... lol... pl notice {pl wake up!!!} the time line {...the ideas and the content of the story, or u all r gonna keep bummin' around... baabu, chapraasi, ghar jamai... Indian TV such an ugly, puky show... monkeys on a bullockcart... intolerably rustic and substandard in quality... Sonia Verma and voiceOvers (NDTV) [AajTak is worse) yesterday afternoon Hind'vi (Urdu) News did almost a mistake a minute... tathagat skip the channel which does a bhaiNs act... Saleha is on this morning and she is a relief... :) it must be disgusting for almost 400 million Urdu speaking people in the region... Hindi is no language and a pure political phenomenon...

street hoodlums running me cable... tathagat is without BBC, CNN, PTV, FTV, MTV, Sahara, EnaduUrdu... out of 40 odd channels... 4-5 are perpetually down, untuned mostly... unmonitored... every effin' bhaiNs here seems... bahyi bajrangii... ha ha ha!

-Indians use humour as weapon against world terror By Biman Mukherji, smirkingchimp.com

-The Salon Interview : Noam Chomsky : The nation's most implacable critic of U.S. foreign policy argues that the war is unjust, America is the biggest terrorist state and intellectuals always support official violence.

-Asia's Nuclear Pandora's Box By Pavel Felgenhauer MassCow.times


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 265 of 510 )
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A homeless Palestinian refugee boy plays in the rubble-strewn area where his home once stood in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip January 15, 2002. Israeli bulldozers destroyed the home with about 60 other homes last week. (Goran Tomasevic/Reuters) Published at Yahoo

-Solving the refugee issue — 'driving Palestinians into the sea' By Adam Shapiro, Jordon Times

-Clock is ticking for Israel By Jeff Halper, frontierpost.com.pk

-A senseless "dance of death" By by Holger Jensen

The Jewish state, they point out, was created by the United Nations, yet with the help of an American veto consistently ignores U.N resolutions to vacate Palestinian lands captured in 1967. The Palestinian issue rankles not only Arabs but Muslims worldwide, and gives the terrorists among them one more anti-American cause.

Israel maintains that the West Bank and Gaza Strip were captured in a war started by the Arabs and that the occupation is justified as long as there is no permanent peace. It has built more than 140 settlements there, now populated by more than 200,000 Jews, in violation of the Fourth Geneva convention that prohibits the transfer of civilian populations to territories captured in war.

Sharon says it's the Palestinians who don't want peace. He and other government officials cite Arafat's rejection of Barak's “generous” offer, his duplicity in talking peace while trying to smuggle in 50 tons of Iranian arms and the anti-Jewish diatribes that pervade the Palestinian media and even textbooks in their schools.

The Palestinians respond that the Israelis brought it on themselves by occupying their land. If the occupiers now regard themselves as victims of the occupied, they say, the answer is simple: end the occupation.

...how many pre mature death will it take B4 they reckon that too many people have died... yes... a three letter word so hard2utter...


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 266 of 510 )
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Dubyaman Shaakhaa
No, I'm not PM, says red-faced Jaswant : New Delhi, Jan 18 : Sify.com

... not just that average American gone potato... but the media persons too...

The media simply do not understand the war. The number of correspondents who have served in the military is trivial; the number who have been involved in or studied intelligence is even fewer. They are superb at doing human-interest stories on a war -- give them a refugee family, and they are good for a week. But understanding the decision-making within, say, the Taliban, and understanding what it is trying to achieve is simply beyond them.

The media confuse demons with morons. The media demonized bin Laden, al Qaeda and the Taliban. If they were devils, they were also stupid. The idea that the Taliban had a war plan and that they were executing it when they withdrew from the cities was simply beyond most of the media. The media are highly emotional, particularly when covering a major topic they don't really understand.

The media are highly dependent on experts. Because reporters themselves know very little about the subject, they have a great deal of difficulty identifying who an expert is. Any retired officer above the rank of lieutenant colonel is an expert. These officers are dedicated team players, even in retirement. All are positive about how well their particular service is doing.

Sept. 11 was partly an attack on New York, the media capital of the world. It created a particular mind-set within the media, one that took the war very personally. Reporters have a personal need to feel that the war has been brought under control, and they see every action as bringing them closer to safety.

Farewell liberty by IGNACIO RAMONET : la monde

An interview with Amartya Sen, the Nobel Prize-winning economist and author of Development as Freedom... >



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Unny : BusinessAsUsual : China is going around with a portable single window and we’re stuck with our little Great Walls.

No Valentine Day Celebrations in Mumbai: Mulla Thackeray, Chief of Staff, Lumpen gHunda/Baaner Sena...

Stop conversions, RSS chief warns missionaries: Sanjay Sharma in Bhopal, Sify.com

...tathagat calls upon all hindutwa proponents to go 'dhammam shranam ghachhchami', 'buddham shranam gachhchhami', 'Sangham shranam gachhchhami'... to be decent human beings... right now they r just disinformed hate ridden ugly/ disgusting monsters... angulimaar's present day avataar'a...

N-war assures mutual destruction By Kanwar Sandhu (Chandigarh, January 17) Buddhadesh Times

Let Slip the Blogs of War By Tim Cavanaugh, OJR Contributor

Room for Growth : China and India's New Relationship By Sascha Matuszak

MANUFACTURING DISSENT : Noam Chomsky : He's really an interventionist – and also completely clueless.: Justine Raimondo

Pentagon forced to redraw map for military matters : SMH


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@ cagle.slate.msn.com/

Lights Out: Enron’s Failed Power Play : To George W. Bush, the head of Enron was ‘Kenny Boy’—until now. As the shock waves from the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history shake Washington, the scandal machine is cranking up in search of a White House CONnection. Let the Enron Wars begin : By Howard Fineman and Michael Isikoff, NEWSWEEK

Eight Questions for Bush about Enron : The sooner he explains what he knew and when he knew it, the more distance he'll put between himself and the growing scandal : the Enron debacle as "Bush's Whitewater." BusinessWeek.com and if they investigate Dahbol Enron saga... Sharad Power and Manohar Joshi and Thakrey and Company would be behind bars for the loot which they have done for sure...

Enron and the Bush administration: kindred spirits in fraud and criminality By David Walsh, World Socialist Web Site

Why did Rudy Giuliani give the New York Stock Exchange a billion-dollar handout? By Michael Grunwald, Posted Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 8:21 AM slate.msn.com

Rumsfeld hints at much broader military mission BY TOM INFIELD Washington, pioneerplanet.com

U.S. throws wrench into Russia ties : ABM, disarmament moves irk Kremlin

Why We Kill People By C.G. Estabrook : CounterPunch.org

Titan 4 Lofts Milstar: Defense Orbital Switchboard Now Complete, spacedaily.com

Protecting Our Way of Life? by Sheldon Richman,

About That Weapons Bust : The Ships on the Way: By Uri Avnery, counterpunch.org


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 269 of 510 )
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Sunday Cartoon: Unny in IE

Chinese leader's plane 'bugged' : Chinese intelligence officials are reported to have discovered more than 20 spying devices in a Boeing 767 purchased from the United States for use by President Jiang Zemin. One was even found in a lavatory... lol... the Chinese leader is said to be furious. : Beeb

Why everyone can be on the same side of war By Sheldon Richman, San Francisco Chronicle

Loose Lips, Pink Slips : How President Bush made the White House leak-proof. By PEGGY NOONAN, OpinionJournal.com

Interview with Dr. Hanan Ashrawi : By Hisham Aldiwan, palestinechronicle.com

The war against the unborn : How did we get to the point where Israeli soldiers are preventing women in labor from reaching a hospital? By Gideon Levy, haaretzdaily.com

Critics say the death toll from the United States bombing of Afghanistan has been covered up - and the media are most to blame, reports SCOTT MacLEOD : New Zealand Herald

The Nuclear Posture Review: Reading Between the Lines by Michelle Ciarrocca, CommonDreams.org

Top secret: Just whose government is it, anyway? Don Wycliff, ChicagoTribune.com


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Palestinians Defiant as Israel Blows Up Voice of Palesine Radio/TV Station middleeastwire.com

GUCCI GOES TO WAR ;) The gay glitteratti join the War Party : justin raimondo column

Targeting Tehran By Galal Nassar in Al Ahram

US in replay of the 'Great Game' : Costs and consequences of American engagement in Central Asia begin to become clear, Edward Helmore Almaty, Kazakhstan for Observer

Erratica: Enduring Pretzels By Bachi J Karkaria, HT

‘Bin Laden is the Lenin of the great Islamist revolution’ : HT O what a lovely war! : Pamela Philipose in IE

Troops to stay until wanted men handed over: India The News Pk

Palestinian radio defies Israel attack, Gulf Times (Doha, Qatar)

Six-year War Alarms Europeans : NCM Online, By Paolo Pontoniere

Saudi denounces US agenda behind bombing campaign By Ewen MacAskill in London for SMH

Bomb goes off at American embassy : Helicopter crash and warnings of attack on a major installation add to the air of menace in Kabul, Ian Traynor in Kabul, The Guardian

Actress Sela Ward poses during arrivals at the 59th annual Golden Globe Awards in Beverly Hills, January 20, 2002. Ward was nominated for Best Actress in a Television Series Drama. (Fred Prouser/Reuters)

British singer Geri Halliwell performs "It's Raining Men" at the NRJ music award in Cannes January 19, 2002. Halliwell took best international song honors for the hit. REUTERS/Vanina Lucchesi/Pool


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Unny : Business As Usual : Are you quitting politics [master of war]? For a whole day you haven’t commented on the war.

India: We're Trying to Avoid War By LAURINDA KEYS, Associated Press Writer [ha! India looks clear agressor, Just2divert attention from CasketScam and desperate attempt2retain the 15% province... patriotism the first, last and perpetual refuge of an scoundrel...]

Key commander was shifted at US behest Vishal Thapar in HT

Jingoism-e-Hollywoodaii By the BBC's Jonathan Fryer ...Black Hawk Down, a blockbusting war movie based on the shooting down of two US Blackhawk helicopters in Somalia in 1993, has been released to critical acclaim in the United States.

India, Israel, Turkey cooperation threat to military balance in SA From Afzal Khan the Nation Pk

"The USA is not an empire..." ...and God didn't make the little green apples.

Manuel Miles, aka Kaptain Kanada, is a politically incorrect writer from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. He is rude, nasty, intolerant, insensitive, hateful, hurtful, and proud of it. If something he writes hurts your sensitive New Age feelings, don't bother to whine to him about it; he doesn't care. He is a self-professed enemy of the state, and his personal goal is "...to die fighting for Liberty."

THE Norwegians have come up with a novel way of avoiding international territorial disputes — just give away the contested land.

In the most peaceful territorial handover of recent times, Norway has agreed to pass the ownership of a small island to its neighbour, Finland, without seeking anything in return.

A glaring absence of due process of law : thescotsman.co.uk

Brutal conditions inside Cuban cage By Vickie Maye for SMH

Don't bed down with tyrants to fight terrorism By James Bovard usatoday.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 272 of 510 )
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Illstr. Economistan.

STOP THIS BRUTALITY IN OUR NAME, MISTER [Cherrie] BLAIR, THIS is what is being done in the name of humanity, civilisation and the British people. mirror.co.uk

Robert Fisk: Congratulations, America. You have made bin Laden a happy man : 'We are turning ourselves into the kind of deceitful, ruthless people whom bin Laden imagines us to be [Advaanized?!? :)]', 22 January 2002 independent.co.uk

Bush Adviser Suggests War as Campaign Theme by Richard L. Berke commondreams.org

CIA takes on major new military role By John Donnelly, Globe Staff

Mideast religious leaders condemn "killing innocents" Ya hooo

Red Cross: US broke Geneva Conventions But Blair has 'no substantial complaints' about treatment of al-Qa'ida suspects By Andrew Buncombe in Washington, Andrew Grice, and Nigel Morris, independent.co.uk

Time to say goodbye to Saudi Arabia mess pensacolanewsjournal.com


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Punch Cartoon-e- Classics


For God's sake, stop this talk of war : The Archbishop of Wales argues that bombing is not the answer By Rowan Williams, Monday January 21, 2002, The Guardian

ALLAN MASSIE: Does the US care about losing the peace? thescotsman.co.uk

The war against terror is making villains of us all : Camp X-Ray isn't the only disgrace. What about Belmarsh? By Richard Norton-Taylor, The Guardian

Israel bulldozes in to subdue cities By Ross Dunn, in Tulkarm, West Bank, and agencies SMH

Donors pledge $9bn, with strings attached : Shane Green and agencies SMH

Philippines rules out permanent US bases in fight against Abu Sayyaf : Ya hoo

Military pygmy Europe must up defence spending -- NATO (01/22/2002) (Agencies), China Daily

US trying to lease land in Pak for military use: Report PTI from Islamabad, January 22 [Gobar chaap may double the offer, the way they r dancing2the tunes of Uncle kHudgarz Sam...]

Here and Now by Sudhir Tailang in HT : We hope to sell more than 100 units of our Rath — in case better sense doesn’t prevail in UP.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 274 of 510 )
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MIRROR IMAGE by Jayachandran in Outlook
jhanDa oooncha rahey hamaara, ...sar kaTaa sakte heiN lekin, sar jhukaa sakte nahiN... blah... blah... ab mere saath bolo teen baar... meri bhains bhi ho gayi bajrangi... lol...

'I never called Vajpayee mask of BJP govt' : Govindacharya, TOI/PTI [ WED., JANUARY 23, 2002 9:42:21 PM ] [eib kya pachhta'ye, jib chiRia chugg ja'ye khait]

Kashmir - A Historical Deception But Conciliation In-Sight : Media Monitors.net

BBC Scotland home affairs correspondent Reevel Alderson looks at the appeal case and the decision to allow proceedings to be shown live on the internet.

A New Current in Palestine by Edward W. Sa'id

Pakistan allows US to use Karachi Airport : 25-member team surveys logistic facilities in the city By Masood Anwar, The News Pk

Afghan victims of US bombings demand compensation : Ya hooo


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Gulf News says: Goma needs help, photo Time Magazine.


It is estimated that two-and-a-half million people have died in Congo because of the war since 1998. Nobody paid any attention at all to that, not in the western media anyway. Natural disasters are more televisual writes Vincent Brown/ Irish Times

Claim: Younger generation won't even touch print newspapers
Neil Morton says newspapers will perish within two decades if they aren't re-invented. He writes: "A new generation is growing up on the net and for many of them, the print papers aren't even an option; even if they do read the papers, they tend to end up on the online version through a referral." OBSERVATION: "Newspapers have been overtaken by technology in the way radio was by TV." (Shift.com)
> In Letters: Newspapers won't survive? We're heard that before!

RUSSIA’S foreign ministry has summoned the British ambassador in Moscow to protest about a meeting in the Foreign Office in London with a Chechen separatist envoy. : The Scotsman

The Ongoing Blood Feud by Uri Avnery, Media Monitors

2002: A year of uncertainty in the troubled Balkans : A secession referendum in Montenegro, fragile peace in FYROM and a political vendetta in Tirana may spark more unwelcome conflict : By Stavros Tzimas, Kathimerini

What if the tables were turned? by Daoud Quttab, Media Monitors

Indonesian rebel chief killed : Beeb


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 276 of 510 )
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UNNY: Business As usual But how can we trust Musharraf, Your Excellency? He’s a politician.[actually he is a professional, competent and educated unlike politicians... corrupt, dhoort ghaagz... types who could sell their cows... and beside they r worst kinda jaahils]

MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS : Jan. 23 — Police arrested three Bangladeshis and three Indian teachers at an Islamic school and charged them in an attack on a U.S. cultural center, officials said Wednesday. Meantime, the Indian government appeared to back down from its earlier assertion that the shooting was a terrorist attack, saying it was too early to tell the motive, after the United States said it was not certain the attack was political.[... b'coz of these frozen in time, gobar chaap buffoons... india is fast loosing credibility... ]

Rafah: Holding Israel Accountable by Jeff Halper Mediamonitors.net

As a hostage in Beirut, Terry Waite was chained to a wall, beaten and denied all human rights. Here he gives his thoughts on America's treatment of the al-Qaida detainees in Guantanamo Bay : Terry Waite, The Guardian, January 23, 2002

Family a victim of guilt by association By Craig Nelson Herald Correspondent in Madrassa Qalai, Afghanistan

53 Arrested During Protest at U.N. : Washington Post

Al Qaeda prisoners entitled to humane treatment : writes Sean Love in Irish times

Fleischer turns to reporter "Goyal Foil" when he wants to duck Enron
Dana Milbank says the press corps foil is back in style in the White House briefing room now that Enron's a hot issue. He explains: "The use of foils, a technique popularized by Clinton press secretaries Mike McCurry and Joe Lockhart, involves the careful selection of questioners from among the many raised hands to steer the briefing in a direction the press secretary desires." When WH spokesman Ari Fleischer wants to get back to foreign affairs, he'll call on Raghubir Goyal of the India Globe, says Milbank. (Washington Post)

Dionne: WH should give Fleischer less contradictory Enron talking points
Pinkerton counts 119 WashPost stories re Enron in last two weeks, tathagat counted a thousand cartoons...

Alliance nearly opened fire on UK troops By Nigel Morris, Political Correspondent The independent


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 277 of 510 )
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Laxman's U said It : Of course, the minister was given armed bodyguards. But he wouldn’t trust them! [neither do Uncle Sam, not a thing is hidden from big brother CIA, sure they were caught napping early September 2001... but not for now... FBI is here as well 2find the details ]

Scientists close to solving anthrax puzzle By David Usborne in New York, The Independent

THE WAR AGAINST THE SAUDIS : What's behind Washington's split with Riyadh? : Justine Raimondo

Your papers please : Washington Times

Musharraf wants at least five-year stay : Says US air power, not troops, can remain in Pakistan as long as necessary; proposes 4-stage process for Kashmir solution By Amir Mateen In The News Pk

War makes US active in Moscow's backyard : The News Pk

Rumsfeld hits out at British By Michelle Nichols, The Scotsman


phor more oph Dubyaji, hit Dubya hard... but have mercy on ur choohaa... Enron ne dubaadiya, Pretzel se dab gaya aur zamieNDoz ho gayaa Dubya... eik biscuit ne dhool chaTa'a dii... tch... tch...


luvvmann  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 278 of 510 )
tataghat,

no amount of these postings is going to change anybody's opinion of you as a hindu hating bastard. no amount of communist propaganda will do that. you are pinko commie , a traitor. you say you are anti-war. what about China's rape of Tibet. you always ignore these questions. why, because you are a smelling commie doing china's bidding. to you chine can do no wrong. bastard to the core.


luvvmann  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 279 of 510 )
tathagat, you mother fucking bastard stop your anti-india propaganda. kashmir is a part of india and always will be. historically it has always been a part of india. you shameless traitor, go sell your bag of goods elsewhere. lying scumbag.

Prem  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 280 of 510 )
Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra.
I never thought it was possible for me to agree with luvvman (and maybe my choice of invective would be little different), but even I am fed up enough to only see tathagat's name here -- so much so that everybody seems to have decided to let him hold forth on his own...

This is a monologue, not a dialogue. It makes sense to engage in a dialogue on a subject like this, not to just go on and on like a self-obsessed and self-congratulatory moron.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 282 of 510 )
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Laxman's U said It : No need for all that trouble, sir [langoorji]. You can unfurl it right from here! [Jan 26, TOI]


Back to 1947 for Pakistan Pervaiz Musharraf goes on television to define the open [liberal, modern] Islamic state : FEER EDITORIAL

An Israeli Victory, An American Defeat: ILSA Extended Another Five Years

USAID to train political parties in electioneering The News Pk

Turkey prosecutes Chomsky publisher for essay on Kurds By Robert Fisk, The Independent

Debt Collection, Not Aid, Was the Real Priority of the Afghan Reconstruction Conference By Yoichi Shimatsu, January 25, 2002

A Famous Victory By Deck Deckert @ Swans.com


Yusuf Arakkal's "Egypt" and an "untitled"

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 283 of 510 )
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RSS lobs temple ball in PM’s court, silly fascist salute and btw this kHaaki Knicker imported from Italian Fascism, swadeshi... ha! :)
deccanherald.com

U.S. Developing Communication Strategy in Anti-Terrorism Campaign cryptome.org

ON CAPITOL HILL : Congress considers new kind of draft, Legislation would require military training of all young men By Jon Dougherty, WorldNetDaily.com

Sharon's office silent on who killed Hobeika : Dawn

Secrets Sharon will take to his grave By IAN BRUCE

Israeli premier has to be prime suspect in hit : Daily Star, Lebanon


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 284 of 510 )
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I Was (Almost) John Walker by Glenn J. SacksJanuary 26, 2002

Internet Censorship: Battling for a borderless internet : free-market.net

Bush "very disappointed" in Arafat as US weighs action against Palestinians ; Yahoo [not just Americans but the whole world is either already disappointed with u or will be in near future u idiot...]

Forget peace if the rules differ for Israel By CESAR CHELALA Special to The Japan Times

The Stops Are Pulled Out in the Mideast By HUSSEIN IBISH, Hussein Ibish is communications director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee.

Next target of Bush's war By Eric Margolis

Approaching war in the Middle East : JAMES O. GOLDSBOROUGH, THE SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE

Report on war, don't cheerlead By Sandy Tolan

Russia 'Encircled' by US, NATO When Afghan Operation Over By Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Russia Weekly


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 285 of 510 )
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"I take the earth, California, upheaval, peace and layer them into a woven tapestry of color, line, movement and form." Susan Moss

Twins to take first step on peace walk : NooseChoice.Com

Musharraf promises democracy in 5 years(!!!) FROM ZAHID HUSSAIN IN ISLAMABAD for The Londen Times

VIETNAM WAR HERO CONDEMNS CAMP X-RAY From Mark Coleman In New York for The Mirror

Persona Noam grata : Too important to West to be criticized, Turkey cracks down on free expression Laura Flanders for WorkingForChange

US targeting extremists in ex-Soviet states [namely... Russia, ByloRussia, Ukrain, Georgia, Qazaakistaan, Turkamanistaan, Uzebekistaan, Armenia, Azarbaijaan, Tajikistaan, da's... ba's..., ah the first 3 outta a dozen and half ex-soviet states... Latvia... Lithuania... and Estonia... where is me MMYB... Moldova, Kirghisia... Kamzo'ar KaRi Ko'an?!?... u ask... isss bhainse ke tabel'ae meiN sabhi kaRiaaN kamzo'ar heiN kam'bakH'at... that is why every bhains bhayi bajrangi...

The Others by Howard Zinn in The Nation



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Pakistan says will not be provoked into tit-for-tat missile test [good, thank u Paa'kiss'taan]

RAISETHEFIST.COM FOUNDER RAIDED BY FBI AND SECRET SERVICE! URGENT!!! (english) by anonymous 11:56pm Thu Jan 24 '02 (Modified on 11:05am Sat Jan 26 '02) about 25-30 agents raided home of raisethefist.com's founder. indymedia.org

The Dawn of Network Centric Warfare? Dephance Systems Daily

U.S. tests ship-based anti-missile Dallas News

Annan thanks Iran for Afghan support Beeb

For Afghans in Cuba, Untested Legal Limbo By Lee Dembart for International Herald Tribune


More Dubyaman
VishwaBajrangiParishad meets each other... Gaandhi ke hat'yaare dahshatgard
... no wonder why it wouldn't rain... how it could rain when illinformed gobar-chaapp reign... dhashatgard reign...
arrest them... err... arrest urselves... resign... leave... vanish... drop dead... ah the meeting is over... 'Param hans addressing the nation... yuck... [off2puke]...


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 287 of 510 )
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UNNY: Business As usual. GoyankaPressWhy risk stepping out? We have the communication technology to watch our missile power from here.


Oh, what a lovely war Imagine you beside that photograph,TV capturing your grief IE

We felt safer under the Taliban, say Kabul residents: Yahoo

Time to Ease Out Of Saudi Arabia By DAVID LEAVY, NY Daily Noose

Powell urges POW status By Rowan Scarborough, THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Israelis Use Stethoscope as Tool of Peace By Joel Greenberg New York Times Service

Judge hears arguments on banners against war : By Howard Mintz, SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS


luvvmann  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 288 of 510 )
tathagat, you mother fucker. stop this non-sense you rotten fish eating communist.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 289 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
... hey u cow fuckers idiots... leave women alone... and prem u r exposed... in 'Kashmir Peace in peril' thread... lol... kapRe paaRh li'ye?!? :)

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 290 of 510 )
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Judy Grahn
...John Sang Power2the People... tathagat sings... power2the women... they r a half-o-humanity and living in slavery for ages... everywhere...

Cheney: Won't Turn Over Energy List [what he gonna do when investigators cometh... he would hid in a secret hideout for security reasons... and National Security at that.. ;), wait but another headline suggested he is 'Immune from inbhesTigasion'...] Las Vegas Sun, Today: January 27, 2002 at 7:55:14 PST

America's Chaotic Road to War : Bush's Global Strategy Began to Take Shape in First Frantic Hours After Attack By Dan Balz and Bob Woodward Washington Post Staff Writers Sunday, January 27

Attorney General ['Mulla'] Ashcroft renews warning : United Press International [jo Dar gayaa... samjho mar gayaa... sab Dar ga'e, sab mar ga'e... Fearism versus Terrorism... the guy is a loony...]

[url later] Bush and Powell split over captives' status By David Teather in New York Monday January 28, 2002, The Guardian

Privacy Group Sues Over Data Sales PC World

Uzbek Leader Chides West abc News


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UNNY: Business As usual. XPressShall we migrate to Afghanistan? It might get rebuilt sooner.[...wunderrr if they removed all the rubbble just as yet]


Experts eye outcome of nuclear war in S. Asia By MICHAEL P. REGAN Associated Press / Houston Chronicle

Tension mounts as US turns its back on Arafat By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem

Milosevic war crimes case faces collapse By Vesna Peric Zimonjic in Belgrade

Only 'communists' oppose US military operations: Arroyo [single ribbed queen]... SMH

Washington turns up the heat on Arafat By Ross Dunn, Herald Correspondent in Jerusalem and agencies SMH

U.S. raid a deadly error, Afghans say By Dario Lopez, The Associated Press

Afghans dispute U.S. account of raid : Villagers accuse U.S. of killing wrong men during attack, msnbc

Elie Hobeika: lady-killer and blood-soaked war criminal By Robert Fisk in Beirut


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 292 of 510 )
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Dalai Lama admitted to hospital [and he is fine...]


What — Me Worry? By Paul Krassner, satirist and publisher : from Confessions of a Raving, Unconfined Nut: Misadventures in the Counter-culture by Paul Krassner (Simon & Schuster, © 1993), Nerve.Com, [a whole loadz of oother esssays... ]

Saudi Warns U.S. to Respect Arafat By Elaine Sciolino New York Times

India seeks key LoC land for de-escalation By Amir Mateen, The News Pk

Pakistan, Ukraine mull over military pact: envoy : Nawaz Khan, The News Pk

Think tank warns about US plans in Asia : Taipeitimes.com

Journal reporter being held in Pakistan By CBS.MarketWatch.com, Last Update: 10:46 AM ET Jan. 27, 2002

Rumsfeld reaffirms Guantanamo detainees are "terrorists" not POWs

Straight Face : The most dangerous place? Pamela philipose IE


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Day In Pictures, Outlook.

Pro-Pain Pundits : Torture advocates defy U.S., international law By Steve Rendall fair.org

I know what Camp X-Ray feels like Charles Glass IF IT'S A WAR, TREAT THEM AS PoWS : The Mirrror

U.S. Says Arafat Missed Opportunity for Statehood : January 28, 2002 06:13 PM ET Reuters.com

The coming Saudi eruption The Guardian

Forgotten Coverage of Afghan "Freedom Fighters" : The villains of today's news were heroes in the '80s By David N. Gibbs fair.org

Twilight Zone : Tell the truth, Shimon. By Gideon Levy in Ha'aretz


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 294 of 510 )
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UNNY: Business As usual. XPressAs you might have guessed, the spiritual leader is warning the country’s Prime Minister.
The Afghan killing fields : There has been no official count of the number of civilians killed in the first eight and a half weeks of US bombing on Afghanistan, and the Pentagon has falsified the facts about its war. But one American academic is setting the record straight, writes Faiza Rady for Al-Ahram

On What Authority? by Stephen Gowans, swans.com

'Vietnam Syndrome' is Alive and Thriving By Mark Weisbrot, lewrockwell.com

Islamic kidnappers send note via e-mail : FROM ZAHID HUSSAIN IN ISLAMABAD for The Times-o-London

The Battle Back Home : On the eve of the State of the Union address, the Democratic leader looks for chinks in a popular war president’s armor : By Howard Fineman NEWSWEEK/msNBC

Long After the Air Raids, Bomblets Bring More Death by Suzanne Goldenberg in Rabat village, Herat province

Japan to send second fleet to Indian Ocean [Using the opportunity both Germany and Japan... start what they were denied by their constitutions and the world community... ]

Under the Radar: OPEC's False Hope By Christopher Edmonds : Special to TheStreet.com 12/28/2001 01:22 PM EST


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 295 of 510 )
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Hasbro have gone for Girl Power in a bid to topple arch rivals Mattel's perennial favourite, the Barbie Doll. With a cheeky slogan -- "Time To Get Real Girls and Bin The Pink Dolly" -- it has launched a "Get Real Girl" who goes surfing, snowboarding and scuba-diving. A young girl helps to launch the new doll sitting on a pink dustbin full of Barbie's. REUTERS/Yahoo.


"It is just an accident [was it???] ...that happened and it can happen anywhere" -Colonel Felix Chukwuma : ... "...The army - they ruin this country for so many years and now they scatter our city" Lagos resident Edwin Ojila [ git rid of ur arms and amunition dumps... or else this fire gonna burn u too... one day... Beeb

Prisoners of what? : America’s linguistic tricks belie human rights abuses in Cuba : Geov Parrish, WorkingForChange

A BOSTON GLOBE EDITORIAL : Shortsighted Sharon 'What tiger?' : For years, Israel has been busy collecting sensitive information about the US. Why has it been above suspicion, wonders Mohamed Hakki in Washington

EU publicly backs Arafat in fresh challenge to Bush By Stephen Castle in Brussels for Independent. 29 January 2002

The Paul Krassner Interview

Book Has 'Explosive Implications' for U.S.-Israeli Ties newsmax.com

JIMMY REID: US policy based on cash, not principle thescotsman.co.uk

Paul Krassner


Sunday January 27, 05:15 AM Science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke uses the computer at his home in the Sri Lankan capital Colombo in this Januray 1, 2002 file photo. A campaign group has used a website to call for internet users to log off and enjoy a web-free day in the open air. REUTERS/Anuruddha Lokuhapuarachchi


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 296 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Hi,

I find the following K.-quote, rather relevant at the moment :

"Why does the mind seek security? Because you realize that thought suddenly changes any moment; there is no actuality in thought; so thought creates the thinker as a permanent entity which will go on indefinitely, so, in the thinker, it has vested interests. And so the mind has found security in the thinker, certainty which is the old habit."

In the course of time, I would relate to this pointer in various ways.

One of the ways was, thru the intellect .. somewhat philosophically (in the sense of thinking/reflecting). And I would feel that I understood. After all, it does not require a high IQ, to follow the logic/argument of such a statement. And that 'understanding' would be a smooth procedure, interesting, somewhat exciting .. but eventually I would find that it only adds to/reinforces the security into the I/thinker.. (unless someone would come along and challenge that with his arguments).

More recently though, when, due to a reduced reading and therefore quotational memory not terribly fresh/active, the amount of hooks/crutches would be therby greatly reduced and I would be left with more of the 'what is' and less of the security inducing 'philosopher'..

..which in practice would amount to : seeing that Thought can change Any moment (and I am _not_ refering to the practical-thought but the 'life-managing' thinking), is unreliable and essentially out of 'control',.. the only control being the factor of its conditioning and unknown/unpredictable and yet systematic mechanics of combinations and endless permutations .. in other words, a sheer mad house, not worthy to be qualified as a life-guide.

Now, This picture is _very different_ from a cosy arm-chair philosophizing/conversation about thought and the thinker .. : it is a state of Sheer Terror !..

But then, the clever thinker, out of its relentless wish to survive at Any cost, can create security even out of this state of utter uncertainty .. and it says : 'I am afraid I am going crazy !'.

And in this statement, there is a certain sense of powerlessness, of seeing that I-the thinker has not much control after all,.. and so 'I might go mad' .. BUT, the 'I' remains .. only the nature of its Drama has changed to paranoia/terror.. perhaps from hope for a better life, (according to its intentions/ideas).. Or it might say : I am nothing, I confess that I am a lost soul .. But there is a Higher Self or God, to whom I will "Surrender" so that he/she/it can take control of this 'mad-house'.. But, the I/thinker (who surrenders to and via an image/thought of some Bigger It), remains.

So, if one has come to this point of seeing one's being thrown about on 'uncharted seas' (to use a familiar statement) _and_ that the idea that there is a 'captain of the ship' is also part of that seas' restless winds and waters.. without crutches or anchors,.. can one Live the uncertainty/madness thru, .. being the madness&terror itsself.. the 'fire' of it,.. without the dramatic weight of that word/label, superimposed upon it ?..

Or rather, if that word does arise.. as it might, to see it as Part of the flame of 'madness' itsself, and not as a Something About it ?

And I am not proposing to Try to see it this way (that would be another security investment trick),.. I am just feeling my way into it,.. asking .. 'is there any comment/strategy/evaluation ABOUT what's happening, that is more sane/reliable and than and standing outside, the 'madness' itsself ?

And if I answer according to what I heard K./xyz said, then that becomes another anchor.. another security. And the thinker/I then is, business as ussual, alive and well. No ?

So,...

Jb



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Tehran Leader Says Bush Is 'Crazy' - AP/yahoo (Feb 1, 2002)

Reactions to Bush 'evil axis' warning There's been growing criticism overseas of Mr Bush's depiction of 'an axis of evil'. The former secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, described the phrase as a big mistake... [and giving an impression as US has gone nuts... or something to that effect... it has been more than 5 hours on she reportedly said so... on the NBC... but not a single online media in India reports it... as yet... networks sleeping as usual...] Asad Ali Chaudhry of the BBC/UrduService has the details... check out the full news from 24th minute onwards for more...[modified 10 am IST

Militarism and Arms Races: Terrorist Attacks and Nuclear Policies By Joseph Rotblat

Eroding American freedoms : Nat Hentoff Washington Times

More 12-year-old Virgins on the Auction Block By Thomas W. Chittum

Sharon's OK Corral : With the Americans behind him, the Israeli leader thinks he can force Yasser Arafat into permanent exile By Robin Lustig, The Guardian

US offers reluctant, mild rebuke for Sharon comments on Arafat, Yahoo

Bock column

Why This War Was, and Remains, Utterly Wrong By Gary Leupp CounterPunch

The path India chose The Tribune


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Bush to Americans: Change Your Soft Culture Yahoo

Bush's `axis' charge limits options : Diplomacy efforts seemingly in limbo, Chicago Tribune

Sharon approves hi-tech security plan to seal off Jerusalem in its entirety By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem for the Independent

US claims 'free hand' in its war against terror FROM ROLAND WATSON IN WASHINGTON for The Times-o-Lundon

The State of the Union and the New Cold War By Rahul Mahajan @ CounterPunch

'A dose of sober-mindedness' By George S. Hishmeh The Jordan Times

US, Britain warn Iran on Afghan actions, say not time for new "Great Game", yahoo

Jensen: Price of settlement: strife and pain : Israelis face daily trials in hard land, rockymountainnews.com

State of the Union at War Bock @ anti-war.com

NEVER MIND OSAMA : Let's conquer the world instead : Justin Raimondo

Can Missile Defense Work? By Steven Weinberg nybooks.com


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George Bush's delusion : Tragedy does not give America a free hand : The Guardian

The Complex World of Iranian News By Mahasti Afshar, OJR Contributor

Enron: What Should Cheney Do? The Time Mag.

THE ROGUE LIST : 'Evil' Label Rejected by Angry Iranian Leaders By NAZILA FATHI, NYT (Reg., Req.)

Will Iran be the next big target of the war on terror? The Daily Star

ROCHELLE RILEY: Bush's talk says more in writing

A return to leading the world By Scot Lehigh,

A smart America would exploit Iran's cultural divide Cyrus Partovi

Iran's Khamenei Calls U.S. President Bloodthirsty Yahoo

An Astounding Remark by Sheldon Richman, fff.org

'Axis of Evil' Crumbles Under Scrutiny : Michael T. Klare, Pacific News Service, alternet.org

Bush steps up verbal assault on "axis of evil" : Yahoo

North Korea says it is powerfully equipped for conflict Yahoo


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 301 of 510 )
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The screw turns, again : It falls to the victim to show new paths of resistance, writes Edward Sa'id

George Bush's Permanent War : Editor Matthew Rothschild progressive.org

FBI Raid Silences Teen Anarchist's Site By Brian McWilliams, Newsbytes, SHERMAN OAKS, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A., 31 Jan 2002, 12:15 AM CST

Did Israel's lost tribes end up in Afghanistan? REUTERS/TOI

American Caesar : Pat Buchanan, Creators Syndicate, Inc./WorldNetDaily

Mr. Bush's rash words : The Globe&Mail

America's new enemy : George W. Bush has denounced Iran as no better than North Korea and Iraq. But there are signs that it has played a useful role in Afghanistan, say Guy Dinmore and Roula Khalaf


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Against the Bomb : ...In the midst of war-like postures emanating out of New Delhi and Islamabad, Out of the Nuclear Shadow is a must-read. It brings some of best writings of the intellectuals and activists of the subcontinent and is a contribution to the anti-nuclear struggle, says KANTI BAJPAI. The Eendu

Albright Criticizes Bush Foreign Policy : ..."It would help us not only with the problem in Pakistan but also generally where the international community thinks we have lost our minds," said Albright

Bush tempers 'axis of evil' remark ...saying he would be happy to talk to Iran and North Korea. By Suhail Haleem of the Urdu Beeb has the details [RealAudio]

About 2,000 anti-war protesters gathered in the city's Marienplatz chanting "we are the people" and "we are peaceful, not you," the Sueddeutsche website reported. BBC

Arrival of the American Garrison State By Paul Fallavollita in Lewrockwell.com

Demonizing US Enemies by Paul Clark @ anti-war.com

British arms sales to Africa soar : Observer Worldview : Kamal Ahmed, political editor for the Observer


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 303 of 510 )
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RSF WARNS OF A WORRYING ABUSE OF PRESS FREEDOM (Reporters without Borders) Press Release

ANGERED BY SNUBBING, LIBYA, CHINA, SYRIA FORM AXIS OF JUST AS EVIL Cuba, Sudan, Serbia Form Axis of Somewhat Evil; Other Nations Start Own Clubs : (SatireWire.com)

THE MILITARY BUDGET : Bush Sees Big Rise in Military Budget for Next 5 YearsBy JAMES DAO, NYT [the guy is an ugly psychopath and a first degree moron...]

Al-Qaida's Manual Of Terror Unveiled By HAMZA HENDAWI The Associated Press/tampatrib.com

But Would It Be an Evil Axis? : Rhetoric, Strategy, and the War on Terror By Christopher Deliso @ anti-war.com

US military seeks deeper roots in Pakistan By Nadeem Malik, Asia Times

...the Pentagon is aggressively pushing this proposal, despite strong apprehensions, reservations and initial refusal by the Pakistani military establishment, which is willing to cooperate in all practical terms without doling out a permanent military base.



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Bush: all war all the time By Stephanie Salter Sfgate.com

Crisis looms for Sharon : More army reservists refuse to serve By Graham Usher, The Guardian

Israel abandoning the peace process By Raja Shehadeh, The Boston Globe

Please Release My Friend Daniel Pearl by Robert Fisk The Independent

The Fog of War by Jennifer A. Gritt

War Is Handy Politics for Bush By BRUCE ACKERMAN, LA Times

Bush Must See Past the Acts of Terror to the Root Causes :By GRAHAM E. FULLER, former vice chairman of the National Intelligence Council at the CIA.

Bush and Sharon Agree on Policy by Eric Margolis, Commondreams.org


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 305 of 510 )
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United States War Crimes by Lenora Foerstel and Brian Willson for Centre for Research on Globalisation

Bush keeps photo hit-list of enemies By Toby Harnden in Washington, Telegraph UK [lol... the guy is a psychopath]

US-WARY RUSSIA DUSTS AXIS HIGH HOPES FROM PRANAY SHARMA for Telegraph India

SAUDIPHOBES TARGET NEIL BUSH ż and Bushies target Iran By Raimondo

Did Bush Declare War in State of Union Speech? CNN's Capital Gang rush transcript

Jospin calls for mastered globalisation : also called, in his pledge for mastered globalisation before the Economic and Social Council in Paris, on the donor countries to commit to reduce poverty by 50 per cent until 2015. euobserver.com

Israeli intelligence misled Bush on Iran By Paul Michaud, Dawn Pk


luvvmann  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 306 of 510 )
will someone stop this maniac tathagat from this lunacy. it the mother fucker mad or something.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 307 of 510 )
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America's Quest for an 'Enemy' Continues By Mushahid Hussain, ipsnews.net

STATE OF THE UNION: AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC by Srdja Trifkovic

It's good TV but life is hardly so simple, Mr President : The United States ignores the truth and risks undermining its own goals by ignorantly demonising its enemies, writes Amin Saikal. SMH

A no-questions-asked war : Bush canżt fight for justice and human dignity while ignoring them By David Corn WorkingForChange

Jensen: An unequal confrontation

Saudi Arabia and the US: A parting of the ways? By Ehsan Ahrari* Asia Times

I want to talk peace : Palestinians are ready to end the conflict, but only when Israelis treat them as equals By Yasser Arafat The Guardian [which they cannot Mr Araafaat... as long as Jewish belief exist that they r the chosen people of god]



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Bush rhetoric worries U.K. By Hasan Suroor, the eeendoo

Killing Innocents : Does Anyone Out There Care?[???!!!??? Ed dear... them sleeping or busy busy rat racing] By Ed McManus

That's entertainment : Why Bush spent $3,200,000 of our tax dollars on Super Bowl propaganda By Geov Parrish, WorkingForChange

Bush warned over 'axis of evil' The Guardian : European leaders insist diplomacy is the way to deal with three nations singled out by America By Ian Black in Brussels, John Hooper in Berlin and Oliver Burkeman in New York

Blair, Bush nominated for Nobel Peace Prize [lol... rollin' on the floor kind] AFP/TOI [TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 05, 2002 1:13:46 AM]

Nobel can never ever be Noble 4 me... and dudn't tathagat say... If naai paals can git it why not dhobi paals... so there we r... bahut paaleeticks hai bhaaii... lol...

BussshrafNews :)



luvvmann  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 309 of 510 )
will some one stop this moron tathagat. this idiot is a psycopath.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 310 of 510 )
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Aid packages ignore starving Afghans : An Afghan father was forced to sell his 12-year-old daughter because his family was starving. For him, like so many others in remote Afghanistan, the billions in aid count for nothing. By Suzanne Goldenberg in Siya Sang The Guardian

China damns Bush's axis of evil By Michael Dwyer in Beijing

Combat Photos Put New Face On War The Guardian

Social Security Takes on Role of a Cash Cow: Budget: A critic says Bush's plan "abandons fiscal discipline." Others consider it an appropriate response to a "national emergency." -By PETER G. GOSSELIN, LA Times Staff Writer

Devices in US aircraft By Tim Kennedy, frontierpost.com.pk

US continues tough talk in Munich ABC News

Defense Increase Biggest Since '66 Pentagon: Rumsfeld says the increase is needed to fund the nation's role as global peacekeeper. LA Times

Conflict with India : Pakistan seeks world intervention : Sattar says talks can be held privately if India hesitates to enter into open dialogue



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The screw turns, again by Edward Sa'id, @ mediamonitors.net

U students protest Patriot Act, fear civil liberties threatened

STRATFOR GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE UPDATE : India expanding nuke capabilities Military buildup will threaten China more than Pakistan

True Muslims Would Release Pearl at Once By KHALID KHAWAJA, SHAHEEN SEHBAI and MANSOOR IJAZ, LA Times

Excerpt From Lawyers' Filing for Lindh: 'Threatened Him With Death'

Unny in IE: You said defence deals are secret and they left muttering, `so is our voteż.


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Sharon's Year in Power Has Been Israel's Bloodiest in a Generation IHT

Pro-Pain Pundits : Torture advocates defy U.S., international law By Steve Rendall for fair.org

The Encrypted Jihad, Salon.com

Politics: White House asks bar association not to take position on military tribunals, sources say nandotimes.com

US not pressing to end targeted killings: Sharon [The Butcher] TOI/AFP [ WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 06, 2002 4:56:41 AM ]

Old Enforcers Limit New Freedoms : Religious Police In Herat Include Taliban Veterans : W Post



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So many peace groups and still no peace By HOLGER JENSEN Rebuild what in Afghanistan? Doug Bandow

Victors’ justice : John Laughland says that the trial of Slobodan Milosevic has been rigged to justify Nato’s war against Serbia, spectator.co.uk

Mightiest Military Force in History Leaves All In Its Wake by Rupert Cornwell The Independent

On the Edge of the Non-Violent Demonstrations By Amira Hass counterpunch.org

Edit Cartoon : The Bush Budget: Your Job is to Salute by Tony Auth

Build it and they will die : Bush’s orgy of defense spending is the real domestic threat : Robert Scheer : Creators Syndicate



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American belligerence threatens whole region dailystar.com.lb

Could America be on the road to ‘imperial overstretch? dailystar.com.lb

US objectives in the region By Rizwan Hussain

Billions for war and repression: Bush budget for a garrison state By Patrick Martin wsws.org

Bush billions will revive cold war army : But defence experts say that will not help in the fight against terror : Julian Borger in Washington, The Guardian

How much for the war on terrorism? jewishworldreview.com



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Cambodia stunned by UN withdrawal of Khmer Rouge trial : Yahoo

...ah they just realized [That there exist a Khmer Rouge right inside the White Hse... Qaddafi called Ronnie Adolf Hitler #2... Osho disagreed... called him Adolf Hitler #1... :), me call this village idiot turned insane buffoon dubya... Pol Pot #1]... would be delighted to see S2S (shoulder2shoulder) B&B (BushBlair) where Slobadin Milosovic (pol pot the III) is... Pol Pot II?!!!? 'Bulldozer' O'course... IVth would be CherriePati Blair...

Patten lays into Bush's America : Fury at president's 'axis of evil' speech By Jonathan Freedland in Brussels, Saturday February 9, 2002 The Guardian

I think, therefore I am off to Afghanistan : France sends philosopher to Kabul to muse about plight of Afghans By Jon Henley in Paris, Saturday February 9, 2002. The Guardian

Eighty states back code of conduct for ballistic missile programmes : AFP/Yahoo

Arabs and Jews unite in fight to save baby 'Peace' The Independent

Under Secretary of the Air Force Peter Teets Briefs on Space Transformation defenselink.mil

Alarm bells ring over US overseas military spending By Jim Lobe, Asia Times

US and Iran accused of bribing rival warlords : Matthew Engel and Brian Whitaker Friday February 8, 2002 The Guardian


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 316 of 510 )
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Standing on the waters [escalation] casting your bread[OoopeeNcaskets;)]
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing.[BnB wid CallIn Power]
Distant ships sailing into the mist,[naibhy power moovin']
You were born with a snake in both of your fists [all the pol potsNbajrangis...] while a hurricane was blowing.
[K] Freedom just around the corner for you
But with the truth so far off, what good will it do?


Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune,
Bird fly high by the light of the moon,
Oah, oah, oahhh, Jokerman.

So swiftly the sun sets in the sky,
You rise up and say goodbye to no one.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread,


Both of their futures, so full of dread, you don't show one.
Shedding off one more layer of skin,
Keeping one step ahead of the persecutor within.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune,
Bird fly high by the light of the moon,
Oah, oah, oahhh, Jokerman.

You're a man of the mountains, you can walk on the clouds,
Manipulator of crowds, you're a dream twister.
You're going to Sodom and Gomorrah [Camp X n Hague ;)]
But what do you care? Ain't nobody there would want to marry your sister.
Friend to the martyr, a friend to the woman of shame,
You look into the fiery furnace, see the rich man without any name.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune,
Bird fly high by the light of the moon,
Oah, oah, oahhh, Jokerman.

Well, the Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy,
The law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers.
In the smoke of the twilight on a milk-white steed,
Michelangelo indeed could've carved out your features.
Resting in the fields, far from the turbulent space,
Half asleep near the stars with a small dog licking your face.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune,
Bird fly high by the light of the moon,
Oah, oah, oahhh, Jokerman.

Well, the rifleman's stalking the sick and the lame,
Preacherman seeks the same, who'll get there first is uncertain.
Nightsticks and water cannons, tear gas, padlocks,
Molotov cocktails and rocks behind every curtain,
False-hearted judges dying in the webs that they spin,
Only a matter of time 'til night comes steppin' in.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune,
Bird fly high by the light of the moon,
Oah, oah, oahhh, Jokerman.

It's a shadowy world, skies are slippery gray,
A woman just gave birth to a prince today and dressed him in scarlet.
He'll put the priest in his pocket, put the blade to the heat,
Take the motherless children off the street
And place them at the feet of a harlot.
Oh, Jokerman, you know what he wants,
Oh, Jokerman, you don't show any response.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune,
Bird fly high by the light of the moon,
Oah, oah, oahhh, Jokerman.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 317 of 510 )
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...soo glade about forthcooming... Lennon-Ono Peace Tribute... on the StarWorld... gee! thanks a ton Star... keepin me fingers crossed... that electricity is on then... or Cable Ops do not shun it in protest of the hike in subscription... or right winger war mongers sabotaging it...

"Fools[bajrangi], they limit you to their own unimaginative mentality. They never stop to think that somebody has been exposed to an experience they havenżt been . . . There is so much misunderstanding by people who are caught up in their own little words laid on you . . . ż Bob Dylan in the linear notes of Biograph

"do Not create anything, it will be misinterpreted. it will not change. it will follow you the rest of your life. [pick ass O was original till 40... than he repeated himself to the grave... John said so in his famous 'Playboy interview']ż Bob Dylan from "Advice for Geraldine on Her Miscellaneous Birthday"



Biblical Allusion in Bob Dylan's Lyrics : Copyright 1999, Skylar Hamilton Burris.

Jewish Readings of Dylan Lyrics


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 318 of 510 )
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The War on Terror's Newest Target: America's Kids : Filed February 7, 2002 ARIANNA ONLINE

War Party's setting Washington's agenda : And its belligerent stance signals that the world is in for a long and bumpy ride as Bush decides to go after just about any state he deems 'evil' By Leon Hadar in Washington Busi-;ness Times

Sharon's policy of destruction destroys more than buildings, writes Mustafa arghouthi Al Ahram Weekly

US Campaign Poses Threat to Central Asia By Chinara Jakypova in Bishkek, Vladimir Davlatov in Dushanbe Inst. for War & Peace Reporting

Identify This By by David M. BrownBarbara Branden says if a national ID "ever becomes law . . . this is the time for civil disobedience." Agreed...

Nat Hentoff : FBI Knocking at Your Door : J. Edgar Hoover Lives! villagevoice.com

Where Israel's 'Guns of Navarone' lie silent By Robert Fisk at Sheikh Abad Hill, southern Lebanon for The Independent

Winner's rules : Nyier Abdou sifts fact from fiction on the legal status of the prisoners taken to Guantanamo Bay : Al Ahram Weekly

Charley Reese: Bushżs `warż will prove expensive

Bush administration acts like Israelżs puppet By CHARLEY REESE


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Fit to print or omit : The mediażs late report on civilian casualties and continued omission of starvation

Iran hints at striking Gulf oil infrastructure if US attacks AFP/HT

Musharraf flays Bush's remarks The News Pk

Post-Taliban Afghanistan: A short route to chaos By James M. Wall

Arabs have right to arms in face of Israeli juggernaut Daily Star Lebanon

Iraq Calls Bush's Bluff on Weapons Scrutiny by Scott Ritter

Israel's hard man has nothing to offer his people : The Independent

Risky Rhetoric By Morton Abramowitz and James Laney for Washington Post


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 320 of 510 )
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Above the Law and Below Morality: Data on 11 Weeks of U.S. Cluster-Bombing of Afghanistan ['shining like a diamond,' death comes in a little yellow soda can]Professor Marc W. Herold

Ashcroft Hit Over Reported anti islamic Remarks By TIMOTHY J. BURGER, Daily News Washington Bureau

US army tactics at Cuba 'to shock' The Irish Times

Bush has no plans to attack Iraq: SchroederAP/TOI [ MONDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2002 4:30:43 AM ]

Casualties of U.S. Miscalculations : Afghan Victims of CIA Missile Strike Described as Peasants, Not Al Qaeda By Doug Struck, Washington Post Foreign Service

The message from the high command By Gideon Levy for Ha'aretz

SHOULD WE GIVE UP BEING AMERICANS TO SAVE AMERICA? Thu Feb 7,10:01 PM ET By Richard Reeves Yahoo OpEd

Putin warns U.S. on Iraq strike : Russian president cautions against unilateral action By Karen Elliott House and Andrew Higgins : THE WALL STREET JOURNAL/ MSNBC


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 321 of 510 )
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Paul Wolfowitz, velociraptor : Clever, quick and jumping for the throat: From The Economist print edition

Have the Yanks Gone Mad? Scot McConnel

Pakistan ready to collect its reward From Zahid Hussain in Islamabad, The Times

Washington Post Reporter Stopped at Gunpoint in Afghanistan WP

Hebron is quiet but the land grabs go on By Holger Jensen : News International Editor

Confusion Reigns in Afghanistan, U.S. Says Yahoo

US and UK Arms PowerThe Times Graphics

Pentagon Defends Missile Strike Military: Those killed in bombing by U.S. drone "were not innocents," Rear Adm. John Stufflebeem says.By JONATHAN EWING, Associated Press Writer

Iran says defence, US says aggression Membership of the 'axis of evil' is a matter of perspective, and a US foreign policy based on such a one-eyed viewpoint promises disaster Brian Whitaker

War Powers and the war on terrorism Russell Feingold Washington Times


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 322 of 510 )
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Pearl kidnap suspect 'hard nut to crack' Beeb

RUMSFELD ATTACKS THE MIRROR... THEN DOES U-TURN By Sara Nuwar The Mirror

Milosevic finally going on trial, but so is the war crimes court By CHRIS STEPHEN, The Scotsman

TONY Blair last night warned African dictators Britain would lead a drive to bring them to justice. [u gonna end up in Hague CherriePatiJi

Purge Those Holy Books NY Press

Mission Hegemony, outlook uncertain By Jim Lobe, Asia Times

Covering the Milosevic Trial

Beyond warmongers and peaceniks by Rose Marie Berger sojo.net

Slobodan Milosevic Is the Scapegoat in a Show Trial By MARKO LOPUSINA and ANDRE HUZSVAI LA Times

Reports cast damaging light on US methods in Afghanistan : US: Released Afghan prisoners say they were severely beaten after capture by US Special Forces, writes Patrick Smyth, from Washington


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 323 of 510 )
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America Goes Into the Energy Business With the Former Evil Empire : Bushido—The Way of Oil by Roger Trilling

UN treaty sets new standard on young soldiers From James Bone in New York for The Times

Marriage of Convenience: The U.S.-Saudi Alliance : After Sept. 11, Severe Tests Loom for Relationship By David B. Ottaway and Robert G. Kaiser, Washington Post Staff Writers

US has no plans for another war: Powell Yahoo

Bush Issues New Threat to Iran, Iraq, N.Korea : Mon Feb 11, 8:43 PM ET By Randall Mikkelsen, Yahoo

Thatcher urges Bush to 'finish business of Iraq' - Daily Telegraph (UK)

Congress plans unusual look at U.S. intelligence : Compiled from Times wires © St. Petersburg Times

Critics worry Canada caught in U.S. military vortex, CBC News Online

Children kidnapped to fight for Tamil army From Catherine Philp in Batticaloa for The Times

Will the Turkish Army follow the ‘Bush Doctrine’ into Baghdad? Daily Star Lebanon

Use words, not war, to puncture inflated Iraqi threat By Scott Ritter sunspot.net



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Chomsky publisher cleared in Turkey Beeb

BELGIUM said yesterday that an attempt to try the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, for war crimes would probably be dropped. The Telegraph UK

Voters shun Pakistan row in key Indian state polls By Myra MacDonald, Yahoo

Removing Saddam and Arafat won’t serve US and Israeli interests, Daily Star

Anger over Sharon war crimes inquiry By Anton La Guardia Diplomatic Editor de Telegraph la UK

The CIA's semipublic role in the war in Afghanistan is a bit of a switch from its entirely covert days. sfgate.com

"Axis of evil" call threatens international stability Shireen M Mazari, The News Pk

Osama Bin Laden scratch-off lottery game proposed By The Associated Press

Sweden scraps neutrality, opening to NATO seen TOI


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 325 of 510 )
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Chutzpah 2.0 : The BT Group heads to court for a pretrial hearing claiming it has ownership of hyperlink technology. But should software be patentable at all?

Words and Power by Joseph Sobran

A War Without End, And Without Victoryby Nicholas von Hoffman NY Observer

"The Politics of Dead Children"

How Best to Achieve Justice? by William Norman Grigg

Israeli Reservists Show Uncommon Bravery Amy Pagnozzi

Bush on Thursday planned to announce his alternative to the Kyoto treaty, which he abandoned last year. The pact required about 40 industrialized nations to cut to fixed levels the carbon dioxide emissions that are believed to cause global warming.

Spot the difference HT


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Robert Fisk : The Arab nations are lost in a pit of desperation : 'They cannot criticise US policy, however outrageous they believe it to be, because they are all beholden to it'

Landmines affect Afghans the most [RealAudio]There are 80-110 million landmines in 70 countries with Afghanistan being the most affected, even as Iran, Pakistan and India continue to use landmines[India, Pak take off those landmines u just laid... ASAP]. Wusatullah Khan presents Meezaan : Beeb In the second most spoken language in the world

the irrefutable case that Palestinian violence, waged against the far greater violence of the Israeli state, is failing and can only continue to fail. Zogby argues for a comprehensive campaign of nonviolence -- he invokes King, but Gandhi is actually the more applicable precedent -- to rally world support and use the muscle-bound Israelis' force against itself.

Morality is the only practicality By RICK SALUTIN the globe n the mail

In first, Palestinians destroy Israeli tank

Rebels spend drug millions on guns By Christian Jennings in Skopje 4 telegraph

U.S. terror claim is blow to Iran reformists By John Ward Anderson The Washington Post Saturday, IHT

Apocalpse at Dresden (long)

A Time for Dissent : Bush's foreign policy follies scream out for opposition.


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UK joins US nuclear test in Nevada Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles The Guardian

'Musharraf for jihad against illiteracy' [RealAudio] Beeb-e-Urdu :) Editor of newspaper The Nation, Arif Nizami, says President Musharraf presents Islam as a moderate and progressive religion. [compassionate too...] Asaf Jilani

Should We Have Spotted the Conspiracy? by Hedrick Smith pbs.org. How could a handful of young Arabs outsmart the combined forces of the CIA, FBI, and other Western intelligence agencies?

End column By Peter SimpleIs medieval savagery, perpetuated by identifiable people caught up in the bloodthirsty frenzy of civil war, worse than modern savagery, in which people are targeted by mathematical calculation and blown to bit by bombs dropped from a height of 50,000 feet by anonymous airmen?

THE OLYMPIC WAR : The spirit of 'sportsmanship'? ż Fugeddaboutit! Justine Raimondo

Milosevic: U.S. Was Ally of Al Qaeda in Kosovo Reuters.com


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Pro-jihad website draws readers Beeb Online [let there be a thousand Jehaad blooom... as long as they r non-violent... against poverty... illiteracy... hunger... ]

Russia: U.S. Should Leave Asia By Vladimir Isachenkov, Associated Press Writer

Report blames CIA blunder for allies' deaths By Bryan Bender and Marcella Bombardieri in Washington

Austria's Haider pulls out of national politics amid Iraq row yahoo

Mauritius president resigns in wake of terror bill row yahoo

Marlboro reacting to leaflets telegram.com

Chariots of ire: is US jingoism tarnishing the Olympic ideal? By Duncan Mackay in Salt Lake City The Guardian

Afghan war hits Pakistan Economy Beeb Online


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Elite Israeli soldier dies as bulldozer raid goes wrong : Suzanne Goldenberg in Jerusalem and agencies, he Guardian [Jo khode he gaDdha dooje de liye... kHud gir jaave hai ooomeiN...]

Nat Hentoff : FBI in Libraries and Bookstores : Eyeing What You Read [... Mulla Ashcroft is pol pot #5, Aadvaani Pol Pot #6, Thakerey Pol Pot #7]

Seven die in a day of rockets and bombs From Phil Reeves in Jerusalem 4 The Independent

Al Qaeda Linked to Russian Arms Broker : LA Times

Bush to backtrack on ‘evil axis’ charge in Korea peace gesture By IAN MATHER DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENT 4 The Scotsman

AK-47 training held at London mosque Jason Burke, chief reporter O' The Observer [ now what!?! ...is Dubya gonna bomb Lundon or what :) ?!?]

Monkeying with the law : Manoj Mitta4IE

A spin on the evil axis : Ahmed Abdel-Halim* examines the regional forecast, and finds ample cause for pessimism : Al Ahram Weekly

America frightens its friends and creates new enemies Zaawya.com

This is not justice : The Hague has replaced Nuremberg's jurisprudence of peace with a licence to the west to kill By John Laughland, The Guardian

A Peacemaker These Days by Leah C. Wells

"Intelligence Failures that Led to the September 11th Attacks."



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Monday February 18, 1:07 am Eastern Time [Dubya does it again... lol... lol... yen rose and fell b'coz of this buffoon gaffe... wonder if it is in tomorrows paapers in here... ye yaiRaa BaiRa-e-duniya gHarq karegaa... koi roke issse... lol...] TOKYO, Feb 18 (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush and Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi discussed the problem of persistent deflation in Japan, a senior U.S. official said on Monday.``What they talked about in the meeting was deflation,'' said the senior official, who declined to be identified.

The yen dipped briefly after Bush caused some consternation in the foreign exchange markets by saying he had discussed ``devaluation'' with Koizumi. rollin' on the floor laughing... lol...

Shooting and handing out candy By Gideon Levy

OK, George, make with the friendly bombs : Terry Jones4Observer Worldview

Bush administration acts like Israel’s puppet By CHARLEY REESE

George is a monkey: Laura Bush to Japanese kids : AFP/TOI [ now... now... tathagat didn't say it... but hey far right holy cow #1... he rather looks it... acts it 2...

British troops 'killed my brother-in-law on way to family birth' By Philip Smucker in Kabul 4 SMH

U.S. Tightening Rules on Keeping Scientific Secrets By WILLIAM J. BROAD The New York Times/ yahoo


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Bush 'devaluation' gaffe sends yen lower By Nerma Jelacic in London4FT : Published: February 18 2002 10:25
Last Updated: February 18 2002 12:59.

Expanding the War: the Public Opinion Battle By Scott Mcconnell

Journalism's dangerous patriotism By Salim Muwakkil is a senior editor at In These Times

The new anti-semitism? : Some say that, beneath criticism of Ariel Sharon's policies, lurks a more sinister agenda : Observer Worldview By Peter Beaumont

Pentagon Readies Efforts to Sway Sentiment Abroad By JAMES DAO and ERIC SCHMITT The New York Times/ yahoo Bush, Powell Back Axis of Evil Policy By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent

Do u swr 2 tell hole truth? REUTERS/TOI [ TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2002 8:19:42 PM ]

A Certain Clarity : The Way Bush Sees the World By Steven Mufson4WP

Saddam Hussein Is the All-American Bogeyman By Sheryl McCarthy Newsday.com


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WORLD OF UNREASON : Where US planes bomb Afghanistan with $100 bills ż and all criticism of Israel is "anti-Semitic"

SPACEWAR : US To Boost Reconnaissance With Powerful New Birds spacedaily.com

Ashcroft thinks himself a philosopher king By ROBYN E. BLUMNER St. Petersberg Times

Canada chokes in stranglehold of US 'security perimeter' By Alan Martin @ The Dawn [ no Dawn in hIndia ;)!!!]

Dave Zweifel: W uses fear to fatten military budget Captimes.com

Afghans are still dying as air strikes go on... But no one is counting : Bombing blunders and misleading information on the ground keep the civilian toll rising in Afghanistan. In the first of a three-part investigation Guardian writers ask: How many innocent people are dying? Ian Traynor in Kabul 4 The Guardian

How a president's words can lead to war : Pat Buchanan Ideas have consequences, wrote conservative Richard Weaver. So do words, when uttered by the most powerful man on earth.

A safer Israel By Moshe Arens 4 ha'aretz

Why America is still unable to forgive : With body-bags still being carried from Ground Zero, Americans simply cannot understand European concerns for the prisoners of Guantanamo Bay, writes Elaine Lafferty : Ierishhe Taimmmes

The Great Unwatched By WILLIAM SAFIRE NYT


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Visit Stirring Up Anti-Americanism : The core of evil is the United States of America," South Korean political activist Paik Ki Wan thundered to a standing-room-only crowd in downtown Seoul on Friday night. "This Bush is a liar, and in Korean custom we do not welcome liars in our homes. We should all rush to the airport and stop him from getting off the plane."

Bush to offer carrot to N. Korea

Germany and France warn Bush on Iraq By Toby Helm in Berlin and Ben Fenton in Washington Telegraph UK

Rumsfeld Pares Oversight of Missile Defense Agency By Bradley Graham, Washington Post Staff Writer

U.S. bankruptcies soared to new high in 2001: BizYahoo... [aagey aagey dekhiye hot'aa hai kya!!!]

Let's Discuss Mass Expulsion of Jews from US by Carol A . Valentine : Curator, Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum

Second Mauritian president quits over their Poto TOI/AFP

Pakistan ready to test new missile UPI wire

Pipeline politics By Ameena Abdullah Saeed HT


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... in this age of information... the train driver in Egypt didn't know that effing' train was on fire... b'coz States are too busy 'defending' itself... spoke2me gas agent... she said it is strictly forbidden in Railways and buses... good... let gas companies print list of cautions on the bottles... and let DD tell its viewers "NOT 2 ALLOW" anybody onboard with it...

... Rajnaath Saanpnaath... rhymed exit poll as ekjiT pol... lol... not less than 6 times on 'JaNhanumaa' on the Beeb this morning... the oogly rawdy bajrangi could have used the sanskrit words... 'nikaasii sarvekshan'...

Proof-e-civilization... A new report by the Rwandan government says that 1,074,017 people -- or one-seventh of the tiny central African country's population -- were killed during a genocide in the early 1990s.

Nearly 199,000 veterans -- or more than one in four -- who served in the Persian Gulf from August 1990 to July 1991 have filed disability claims, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs. ©Associated Press./ St Petersberg Times February 17, 2002

Philippine TV shows beheading video Beeb

PRESIDENT BUSH: THE KING OF THE WORLD By Richard Reeves @ yahoo, Tue Feb 19, 12:34 PM ET

French outbursts annoy US By Paul Michaud in The Dawn

Nuclear Plans Go Beyond Cuts : Bush Seeks a New Generation Of Weapons, Delivery Systems By Walter Pincus, Washington Post Staff Writer, Tuesday, February 19

Middle East attacks kill 22 in single day scotsman.com

Revealed: Pentagon's new black propaganda unit By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

Pentagon 'ready to lie' to win War on Terror From Damian Whitworth in Washington, The Times

Afghanistan war 'just beginning' By Ben Fenton in Washington Telegraph UK


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American Arms -- Into Whose Hands? Since Sept. 11, the US has stepped up military assistance to allies old and new. But might America's own weapons someday be turned against it? by Michelle Ciarrocca Feb. 21, 2002

US well versed in 'black arts': Paul Reynolds BBC world affairs correspondent

Robert Scheer: Making Money, the Bush Way : LA Times

'Office of Disinformation' SF Weekly

Déjŕ vu All Over Again by Nancy Snow, Ph.D. Common Dreams

How The Hague Defines Justice And Tolerance Serbianunity.net

War of the words By Stephanie Salter SF Weekly

Hollywood's New War Flicks by Bill Sardi


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'Political parties have accused me of trying to 'divide the people of India' [which u indeed... did]. Another party has gone to the extent of demanding my 'disenfranchisement'' [ur fundamentalist party should have been disbanded in '92......

strange... ZeeNews, HT, TOI missed on Mulaayam Story... biggest party in the most populated state... and yet Indian media paid not much attention2it... both front pages of HT and Times missed it... so do we have a divided media too... ?!!!? what a tabela-e-bhaiNse... HT u r not smart... u would never be... with such a stupid name for the paper... ur cartoon from the Bhopal edition is a day late... [lol...] in this age of information...

U.S. Copter Crashes in Philippines, [14 Shaheedoed4noothing] WP

Israeli tanks raid Gaza City and blow up TV center; four killed in south, Yahoo

WOLFOWITZ AND THE AXIS OF EVIL

That Incredible Pentagon by John Bottoms

Pentagon: Strikes Could Be Coming, Story Filed: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:12 PM EST

The military busts the 2003 federal budget. by Frida Berrigan, Inthesetimes.org

The Nightmare Must End By Gershon Baskin

THE LYING MACHINE From Ivor Key In New York4the Mirror


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September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows [ condolences guys... not just his wife/friends, WSJ... their unborn baby... media fraternity... hope the Pearls & friends turns thier sad loss into something positive... 4 peace... saving some lives... sparing some misery2some people...

Peaceful Tomorrows is an advocacy organization founded by family members of September Eleventh victims. Its mission is to seek effective nonviolent responses to terrorism, and identify a commonality with all people similarly affected by violence throughout the world. By conscientiously exploring peaceful options in our search for justice, we choose to spare additional innocent families the suffering that we have already experiencedżas well as to break the endless cycle of violence and retaliation engendered by war.

Palestinian Elections: Why, When, Where, Who? by Hanan Ashrawi MediaMonitors

`We are at war,' Sharon tells U.S. Jews By Aluf Benn and Amos Harel4ha'aretz

Boston Globe : Bush's Radical Shift in Military Policy by James Carroll @ CommonDreams

Early Warnings : Pre-Sept. 11 Cautions Went Unheeded abc News


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Peace deal in Sri Lanka[thank u Norway]: Beeb

The folly of deployment : Well into its seventh week, the deployment has begun to tell on New Delhi's finances. According to defence experts and analysts, the build-up has already cost at least $200 million, with one retired general saying that it "was a show of force, it had its impact, but it's over now" [the ballots are cast]. The deployment has also imposed significant costs [in chilly cold weather... laying thousands of landmines which could kill hundreds of children in the long run...] on Pakistan of around $150 million. [beside they managed their money better... since they are somewhat 'Imaandaar'... ;)]

It is ironic[indeed] that this should happen in a region where hundreds of millions live in abject poverty. New Delhi has repeatedly ignored calls by the rest of the world to sit down and talk to Islamabad, which has already said a number of times that it is willing to do this "anywhere, any time". [onus4talks on paak... onus4de-escalation on Eendia the Buddhadesh...

Beefed-Up Global Surveillance? By Declan McCullagh, wired.com

World Government by Design by Steve Bonta, thenewamerican.com : America's subservience to the United Nations and transformation into the world's policeman is not accidental but is part of a grand design to establish world government.


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A DR. GOEBBELS IN RED, WHITE AND BLUE : Memo To: The Fourth Estate Editors From: Jude Wanniski, Re: The Office of Strategic Influence

US unsure how to keep the peace in Afghanistan By Michael Gordon in Washington 4 SMH

Russia angry at US war plan for Georgia : Security officials from the state of Georgia are worried that American and British forces may attack suspected Islamist terrorists near the Russian border By Ian Traynor in Moscow 4the Guardian

Geneva Conventions are outdated, says US envoy By Kim Sengupta The Independent

Bush fails to win more Chinese backing for "war on terrorism" : Yahoo

US split over Afghan role From Katty Kay in Washington4Times-e-London

U.S. may pay ransom for hostages under new policy : AsiaCNN

An Afghan Quagmire Begins by Ted Rall : Yahoo

...And we thought only our paalitiks got kiriimanala'ijeD...


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Robertson Calls Islam a Religion of Violence, Mayhem By Alan Cooperman, Washington Post Staff Writer

Dubious intelligence leads to death [... as 'deflation' leads 2 'devaluation'... lol... so much so for Yale and Harvard education establishment... ]

CD-rom of key Nato secrets feared sold By John Hooper in Berlin 4 The Guardian

U.S. drops pledge on nukes By Nicholas Kralev THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The Perfect War by Brian Dunaway

A prospect of one war after the other By William Pfaff International Herald Tribune

... wonder why Outlook wouldn't allow the image in here... while the technonlogy allows it... control over people...!?!
http://www.politicalstrikes.com/.images/strikes600.jpg ...defy outluck yen see the picture... ;)...
And we thought only our paalitiks got kiriimanala'ijeD...


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India rules out border de-escalation, dialogue with Pakistan India said it would only resume a dialogue with Pakistan once Islamabad had taken concrete measures to curb what New Delhi alleges to be its funding and training of terrorist groups operating in India. [ na nao man tel hogaa na raadha naachegee! huh!!! [resolve it morons 4 life is 2 short for fussing n fighting ma friend... [thats john not me... t is ur friend and that does not mean that u r his friends... i have always thought that itsss a crrrrrrimmme 4 fussing n fighting ma friend... 4 how many deaths will it take till we reckon that too many people died over it... too much moolaah gone bhai'st... ]

From January 12 to March 12 By Harish KhareWill Atal Behari Vajpayee be able to demonstrate the same kind of courage the Pakistani President has shown in standing up to medieval voices and individuals?

Hindu rite fuels fears of temple site riots By Rahul Bedi in New Delhi

violence in Nepal which has claimed nearly 400 lives in the past 10 days. [24% literacy in this no good Vishnu ka avataar land... goodbye monarchy... welcome republic4peace and development...

BJP submits to the verdict, decides to sit in Opp in UP [ tathagat curses u to even loose the main opposition space soon enuff... coz u don't deserve it... didn't tathagat say here many moons ago... that their vote share will dip well below 20%... how delighting... next time it will be well under 10% ] INC will gain most... becoz she will make both these under privileged section representative share power... SP, BSP, INC should share power and work towards overall development and welfare of even the bajrangi voters... ask VP how u could share power in UP and everybody gains but the bajrangi]

India's women police fight discrimination By Ayanjit Sen in Delhi 4 Beeb


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Defense firms feast on the war on terror By Conn Hallinan, Special To The Examiner

TIME TO PUT ASIDE THESE ANCIENT EVILS The Mirror UK

Elite German commandos in first ground action since WWII TOI

Israeli peace activists start to have an impact Daily Star

Japan defuse World War II bomb, TOI

Shortage of 'smart bombs' holds up air strikes on Iraq By IAN BRUCE The Herald UK

Elite German commandos in first ground action since WWII TOI

Canada Wary of U.S. Anti-Terror Plan Some Fear a Continental Defense System Would Threaten Ottawa's Sovereignty By DeNeen L. Brown, Washington Post Foreign Service

Sharon ready to discuss Saudi peace initiative By Ross Dunn, Herald Correspondent in Jerusalem

The Barbarians Stand Before the Gates of America by Stevan Konstantinović, Translated from Serbocroat by Alma A. Hromic, Swans.com

'9/11' inducted in dictionary By Janny Scott The New York Times

"Axis of evil" can be renamed, but still poses threat: Rumsfeld Yahoo


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US cites Raj-era treaty to get Omar By CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA 4 TOI.

A brief history lesson from the White House: Extract from the White House Daily Press Briefing

White House Spokesman Ari Fleisher: Since the gaggle, I've talked with some of the lawyers inside the White House and there is some updated information on a treaty, because there is actually a treaty dealing with extradition with Pakistan that was signed in 1931. It went into effect in 1942, prior to Pakistan becoming a sovereign state -- because that was at a time when Pakistan was under the British empire. But it's interesting to note that the lawyers say that treaty does remain in effect, even though it was signed with the predecessor of the Pakistani government.

Q: How can that be? There was no Pakistan in 1942.

Mr Fleischer: It's an interesting question, Bill, but that's the lawyers' point, they do believe it remains in effect even though it was.

Q: The treaty was with the British?

Mr Fleischer: The treaty was with Pakistan, which was under British rule.

Q: But there wasn't any Pakistan, as such.

Mr Fleischer: It was with the Pakistani authorities under British rule.

Q: There were no Pakistani authorities.

Mr Fleischer: Of course there were Pakistani authorities; it was under British rule, but you still had Pakistani authorities.

Q: It was part of India.

Mr Fleischer: You can argue it with the lawyers if you choose, but I can tell you...

Q: Bring them on. (Laughter)

Mr Fleischer: Lawyers like to argue these type of points about 1932.

Q: Does Pakistan agree with that interpretation?

Mr Fleischer: You'd have to ask Pakistan.


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The latest targets amid the blood and violence: Pregnant women By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem 4 The Independent

Brides killed in building collapse[:(]DAMIETTA, Egypt -- Twenty-two people, including many brides, were crushed to death when a building collapsed in the Egyptian city of Damietta.

Blunders that let bin Laden slip away By Philip Smucker in The Telegraph

The Disappeared : Since 11 September last year, up to 2,000 people in the United States have been detained without trial, or charge, or even legal rights. The fate of most is unknown. Andrew Gumbel investigates a scandal that shames the land of the free

IN SEARCH OF THE ANTHRAX ATTACKER : Following Valuable Clues By Meryl Nass, MD [seems Ashcroft and other hawks of the Bush admin did it...]

Not So MAD Then? The world after nuclear weapons AntiWar.com

Luckily, the plan is not feasible By Danny Rubinstein-e-Ha'aretz in IHT

How American Dream faded in downtown Mogadishu by janine di giovanni in somalia 4 The Times


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Zimbabwe Leader Gets Treason Charge By Angus Shaw Associated Press Writer in WP

[ …ko re MurgHaabie haraamkHor, Baaz aa Ja Bandar bandarpane se... would probably have the same fate as long time Congolean dictator... who ruined Congo for 32 years died of Cancer in Exile... And even Atom Bomb Vajpayee looks a saint compared2U (atleast he gunned 4 the secretary and not the rival contender)]

Bush's War in Afghanistan: A Case of Big Mission Creep? Did the United States recently engage in an illegal act of war? The Nation

The Larger Tragedy of Pearl's Murder by Brad Edmonds

FROM JUST WAR TO CRAZED WAR Scott McConnel

Uzbek Radio: Russia, China Upset By US Presence afgha.com

FBI Still Lacks Identifiable Suspect in Anthrax Probe : Investigators Continue to Focus on People Connected to Labs That Had Strain Found in Letters By Dan Eggen and Joby Warrick Washington Post Staff Writers

Rumsfeld Says He May Drop New Office of Influence By ERIC SCHMITT 4 NYT [did he say disinfo?]

The BBC has obtained details of a confidential report by aid agencies in West Africa that says many of their own workers are involved in the sexual exploitation of refugee children. By Mark Doyle BBC West Africa correspondent


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London was target of four nuclear rockets in 1959 From Allan Hall in Berlin 4 The Times

Shadow Government Is at Work in Secret : Spurred by Terror Threat, Bush Ordered 100 Officials to 'Bunker Duty' to Ensure Federal Survival

Rights groups: 70,000 Palestinians cannot get to doctors and schools By Amira Hass4Ha'aretz

White House Regrets Blaming Clinton on Mideast By Arshad Mohammed Daily News Pk

Tapes: Nixon Wanted to Use Nuke Bomb By Deb Riechmann Associated Press Writer

Nuclear Terrorism and US Nuclear Policy By David Krieger

Kissinger told China 'you can claim Taiwan' From Oliver August in Beijing

Who Controls the Media?

War For Oil? by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.


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India's dangerous flames Economist

Danger of Nuclear Exchange in South Asia Greater Than Ever Before, Says Former Chief of the Indian Navy Nuclear-Armed India and Pakistan Must De-Escalate Military Buildup, Work Toward Disarmament Institute for Energy and Environmental Research

An explosive account : At times hard to read, `A History of Bombing' tells us not only of the tools of warfare and their use in history, but the darkness at the heart of nations bent on using them By Bradley Winterton, Taipei Times CONTRIBUTING REPORTER

SHOT DEAD TAKING WIFE TO GIVE BIRTH Father killed by 25 bullets By Mark Ellis, Foreign Editor 4 Mirror

Pentagon abandons public sentiment idea © Los Angeles Times

Sharon must go : Israel's leader is now an obstacle to peace : The Guardian

Charley Reese: Milosevic in a kangaroo court

B-52 may have role of enforcer for Afghan elections IAN BRUCE The Herald.co.uk

Saudi says Israel rejecting peace plan to occupy more Palestinian land : The News PK


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BJP has started to follow the path of Israel at National level. The aim is kill the leaders of minorities in very systematic way. I request to my fellow brothers , please be careful before posting any message.

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...the fringe elements which never had mass support... 10 ourt of 13 General elections their vote share was in single digit... so every effin' husting and they would resort 2 their old tactics... [ when Lal B Shastri resigned as RM... i don't think anybody asked 4 it... but these shamelss bajrangii real thick skin... them not just the weakness of the largest democracy... but an ooogly disgusting blot... which would hang India's head in shame 4 a long time... ]

...thank u friends-e-aundhati by standing by her... the enemies u make are ur hell... the friends u make around u... are the bigger heaven u create... and this would be on record... that lumpen and murderous people are in the holy seats and rioting bajrangiiz scot free to create havoc while Buddha Naari sent 2 jail... wah re raaj-e-bajrangii...

Nahi vairen veraamii sammanth'dhi kuda'chan'a / Avairen cha sammanti ess dhammo santano... -dhammapad #5

...Mahaaveer was nailed in the ears... driven out of villages by the brahmins... but he kept sayin' "mitti mey sav'va bhoo-e-soo, VairaN majhjh'a kaivayi... that he is a friend 2 the whole existence... and enemy2none...

and tathagat must tell u this tale... of Poorn'a kaashyap... a disciple of Buddha... one day buddha told him that he is really b'com poorn'a (complete, perfect) and he should go on his own... Poorn'a sought the direction which Buddha declined saying since he is poorn'a he is capable 2 decide on his own... Poorn'a said he would go 2 'Sookha" a dreadful place in Bihar then... Buddha warned him of the eminent dangers... 4 the people there was utter 'bajrangii' bad and those who looved2torture... and that they haven't seen monks in their lives... Poorn'a said than they even need me more... Buddha said... go but answer a coupla question b4 ya go poorn'a... first what if they hurl insults and call u names... Poorn'a said... u ask me this!!! u know i would feel... ah so decent people... just abuse and do not hit...

...and Buddha said 'what if they actually hit u, what would be in ur mind... Poorn'a said... even this u ask... u know Bhante Poorn'a would feel ah what a nice people... just hit and do not kill... Budddha said last question Poorn'a... what if they actually kill u... what would be in ur mind b4 u die... Poorna said... even this u ask... u know Bhante... Poorn'a would be happy that he got rid of a life where he could falter... and Buddha said u could go anywhere Poorn'a... noothin' could bring u down... now u r immortal... noo one can kill u...


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Hindu hardliners 'led Gujarat attacks' : BBC

India's Past Becomes a Weapon By SHASHI THAROOR in NYT

The War Party Tolerates No Opposition : Progressive.org

A hot-headed governmentHa'aretz

All the world's a stage with far too many actors By simon jenkins 4 The Times

... thank u NDTV 4 Arundhati's press conference... but why did u cut off Mr N Raam... how could u? ah it's live again... praful is on...[where was Prabash Jo and V Mehta... could we have transcripts...] and it is a delight and he is always enlightning... ab ka karega be supreem koRat... ka sab ko band karegaa holy cows... How come bhaiNs ka tabelaas... ziyaakaars dhandebaaz, phandebaaz PoorieTak/GoEelJeeNooj pulled the plug after 5 minutes of 'live' ... chikkkans...

Mayawati seems2have struck a deal with the bajrangeez... share the satta booty... and not re-register the Baabrii mosque demolition cases against Advaani, MMJ, and that ugly Saadhvii whatever her name is... mehboob-e-mallich Chaanakyachaarya... of chaal charitra and chehra which the whole world is witnessed to... utterly naked... ugly and disgusting... 'raag veebhasatv'... raag-e-nightmare...


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 351 of 510 )
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9/11: THE TRUTH COMES OUT : Israel's 9/11 connection exposed – and you read it here first! Justin Raimondo

'My Three Cents' Murder Innocent People By James McIntyre for PalestineChronicel.com

'Death toll in Gujarat unrest reaches 690' : Indian opposition demands dismissal of ministers : The News Pk

The 2,500 years’ war By Julian Manyon says that the intercommunal violence in India is likely to get a lot worse, The Spectator

In the name of the Father : America is spared religious violence, for now By Geov Parrish 4 WorkingForChange

this bajranagii pol poty stupid govt., is unrelanting even after causing so much of violence/bloodshed/human suffering... mostly women and children... the sick n the old... there is so much of corruption... so much unemployment... poverty... hunger... hardly any welfare or development... but why make people suffer... ooon effin' neccessary...

...freez the stupid temple frenzy... restore peace and road to the develpment...


topcat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 352 of 510 )
South India should secede! The North Indian states are riddled with fanatics and criminals in politics. These states have lowest human development indicators in the country while the southern states(Kerala, Andhra, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka) have the highest. Problems such as killing of Sikhs, Muslims, Ayodhya, Kashmir, Pakistan, China, Assam which are bleeding the country arise because of the stupid barabrians living in the North Indian states. The Southern states have for 50 years ended up using their resources to pull these North Indians heads out of their asses. Now it looks like that is not going to happen. So the only alternative available to the four Southern states is to form a separate confedaration and secede from India.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 353 of 510 )
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`Rainbow childrenż who add colour to life By Rooma Mehra in The Tribune

Investigating Godhra : What triggered the attack? Officialdom has descended on Godhra to uncover the truth. Anjali Mody in The Hindu

Of speech and authority By Pratap Bhanu Mehta in The Hindu : In these tumultuous times, where two fundamental values of a constitutional liberal democracy, the rule of law and tolerance, are at risk the Court's conviction of Arundhati Roy is sending exactly the wrong message.

Ayodhya solutions By Rajeev Dhavan in The Hindu. : We cannot concentrate on merely building the temple, and ignore the destroyed mosque.

The guilty men of Ahmedabad By Harish Khare 4 The Hindu : Never before has a State Government been so guilty of siding ż emotionally, politically and administratively ż with the rioter as happened in Ahmedabad and the rest of Gujarat.

VOICES FROM THE FIELD BY RAMACHANDRA GUHA

Eunuchs, mortals of a lesser kind? Eunuchs in South Asia have been living on the fringes of society for ages. But many are now shaking off the 'cheap entertainment' yoke. Masud Alam explores in Meezan, Beeb-e-Urdu

Torchbearers of hate By Patwant Singh, Asian Age

9/11: THE TRUTH COMES OUT : Israel's 9/11 connection exposed ż and you read it here first! Justin Raimondo


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 354 of 510 )
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The new empire loyalists : Former leftists turned US military cheerleaders are helping snuff out its traditions of dissent By Tariq Ali in The Guardian, Saturday March 16, 2002

The Future of War and Peace By Eric Hobsbawm, CounterPunch.org

America's next war may be deadlier By Mahir Ali in The Dawn

Blowing the Whistle on Bad Science By Arianna Huffington, AlterNet

A Newsnight [beeb] investigation raised the possibility that there was a secret CIA project to investigate methods of sending anthrax through the mail which went madly out of control.

100,000 People Perished, but Who Remembers? By HOWARD W. FRENCH 4 NYT

WorldNetDaily.com Pulls Column from Site, Apologizes for Horowitz Slander against Ibish

Bush Nuclear Policy Violates International Law, Again By Francis Boyle, CounterPunch.OrG

Nuts About Nukes By Mary McGrory 4 WP

The Bush Doctrine on Nuclear Weapons by Marty Jezer, commondreams.org

Good For Me, But Not For Thee Four Right-Wing Hypocrisies by Derek Copold, thetexasmercury.com

Nukes and Consequences by Molly Ivins, CommonDreams.OrG


Phoenix  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 355 of 510 )
tathagat and top cat -- i have a great idea! take a shovel go to the open fields & dig, dig, dig, until you cannot dig no more.. you will enjoy it!

gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 356 of 510 )
Top cat.. Irreverent thoough right on the dot. 99% of the problems (the 1% is veerapan) is because of these Hindhi speaking buffons. Look through the Economic Index Report by NCEAR and you will see that Central spending is heaviliy tilted to the stone age cow belt. These idiots now having access to the "Yinterneat" are typical of theat blighted region. And because they can control their populations.. they want more parliament seats.. trash

luvvmann  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 357 of 510 )
look at this gandalf matherchot, he thinks he is civilzed. his statement " 99% of the problems are due to hindi speaking buffoons". then in the same breath he talks about southern indians being superior. gandalf, you are nothing but a shameless, self hating, ugly southern moron. the southern states are in no way more or less civilized than the north, east, or west. the south is as divided on religion and caste as the north. you are a misguided dravidian, language extremist, in the garb of a secular rational imbecile. the south is not dravidian and the north not aryan. that kind of foolish mentality is a product of communist education. indians are both dravidian and aryan all along the large extent of the country. there are pockets of development and underdevelopment everywhere. you are the most prejudiced fucked up ignorant moron here. you neeed to be buggered by a few northerners to instill some brain cells in that empty head of yours.

gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 358 of 510 )
I missed this O lowman. You are right.. who talked about Dravidian/aryan?. Who talked about superiority?. But I am happy it got your goat. The fact is that a lot of people are not to bothered with your hangup on Pakistan or Muslims or Mahmud of Ghazni. Partition has happen.. its over.. now stop making our lives misreable because you have not been able to catharsize your self.. If you are in the US do go to the Oprah show and pour your heart out and become FREE!

munna  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 359 of 510 )
Tathagat,

Your posts are great. You have one fan atleast in me. However it's difficult to read because of the strange manner in which you write. Either ways, would love to get in touch with you.


luvvmann  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 360 of 510 )
munna , you admire our buddist friend tathaghat. good luck.

saurabhs  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 361 of 510 )
Topcat & gandalf,

Enough of bullshit about South India and North India. Supplement it with facts. Show how South India has 'lifted' north India for 50 years! Show how human development indicators show South Indians in good light. I dare you guys to show the correct picture. Put some facts here and I will show how your are building your castles on false ground! I repeat show me facts about last 40-50 years! Dont give me the bullshit about last 4-5 dotcom years!! Give me points 1,2,3 not abstract ideas like you already put here!!!

Saurabh


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 362 of 510 )
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Take Path of Active Nonviolence in Response to 9-11 by Jean McElhaney @ commondreams.org [remove "20%" from the url]

"We ask for your help to make the Sept. 11 anniversary a time to reflect on peace and healing, not a time to call for more war and violence."

These are the words of Kelly Campbell, who lost a brother-in-law to the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. She is a founding member and co-director of Peaceful Tomorrows, an organization started by Sept. 11 families who advocate peace, not war. I heard her speak in New York at the national conference of the Fellowship of Reconciliation in June. The theme of the conference was "The Power of Nonviolence: Exploring Alternatives."

America Alone in the World : More than ever, America needs allies, but the Bush administration is driving them away. By Stanley Hoffmann 4 prospect.org

Nasty truths about a crude war : The waiting is oppressive. The sense of inevitable doom is a black cloud of depression. The constant talk of war unsettles the viscera. Why this cat-and-mouse game, asks Terry Lane 4 theage.com.au

Popa: Roots of Terror Need Scrutiny [ur kinds gets cleared out first... who is keeping all this baboons retarded] : The Associated Press Saturday, September 7, 2002; 9:11 AM [hey popa proov that u r the real representative of the son of the lord [another dhritrashtra huh!] on earth... than touch the water... turn it into fookin' wine... show us if u can walk on fookin' water... retire mate u look like somekinda fookin' vegetable... ]

Perils of Preemptive War : Why America's place in the world will shift [further] -- for the worse -- if we [they] attack Iraq By William Galston 4 prospect.org


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 363 of 510 )
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Hey Outloocca fix the HTML features in here... pl... will ya?!?

[US's CBI] "The Most Dangerous Institution" : For nearly a hundred years, the FBI has been fighting for America-with its discipline and professionalism often at odds with its shadowy, extralegal tactics. by Jack Kelly 4 americanheritage.com

Beware of pouring fuel on radical embers By Kumar Ramakrishna 4 International Herald Tribune

Bomb the lot of them : By AL KennedyThe Guardian

...Pinochet liked to drop people into the ocean (dead and alive); Suharto preferred mass shootings and the odd alfresco castration; Saddam has a penchant for bombings. Which I can see might be a problem: Saddam and the Forces of Light have the same tactical speciality - how embarrassing, like turning up at a party in the same frock as your hostess. Saddam should have picked something more ethnic (snake pits, camel grenades), but we could find a compromise: the west uses high explosive, Iraq goes for anthrax, that would be fair.

Why China Can Disregard US AngerSascha Matuszak @ antiwar.com

Hawk talk by David Chandler 4 spiked-online.com

Oops ! By Aviad Kleinberg 4 Ha'aretz


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 364 of 510 )
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The Forever War: How Long Can an Emergency Last? by Jacob Sullum/reason.com

Unlimited Damage – It's Likely That the Nuclear Taboo May Soon Be Broken in by Achin Vanaik in The Telegraph India

The War on Civil Liberties /New York Times

Bush Intent on Painting Mideast Allies and Enemies as Evil by Robert Fisk in The Independent

Freedom for Safety: An Old Trade – and a Useless One by Nick Gillespie/reason.com

The Chicken Hawk Factor by Jim Lobe/alternet.org

Ignore the Distractions: Bush Means War by Mike Zmolek @ Common Dreams

The Challenge to Liberty by Nat Hentoff/washtimes

Serve Your Country? No, Serve Your Fellow Man by Rob Moody 4 strike-the-root.com

Government by Op-Ed by Michael Kinsley/ WP

The other side of the mountain ROOMA MEHRA in ET


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 365 of 510 )
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Who's Your Daddy? By MAUREEN DOWD... Cobra2dubya...

Pakistani leader Pervez Musharraf met with Monitor editors in Boston Sunday. Here is the transcript of the entire interview.

Dick Cheney, American Warmonger In which the pallid, angry veep fervently urges bombing the hell out of Iraq, because he just can't help it By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

The Most Foolish of Wars by Ghazal Shafiei/yellowtimes.org

Congressional cowardice and the risks of war : Ellen Ratner/worldnetdaily.com

Bush waiting for 'how' of war By Rowan Scarborough /THE WASHINGTON TIMES

There's still time for Americans to stop insanity by Robert Jensen/ mediamonitors.net

Mutually Assured Destruction and Terrorism by Aaron James Sutherlin /Anti-State.Com

Behind the Thin Green Line by Chris Fan/ MotherJones.com

A Moment of Silence for the First Amendment by Brian O'Neill/post-gazette.com

How the U.S. fumbled the post-Sept. 11 ballBy JEFFREY SIMPSON

All war talk, all the time : America's leaders fail to offer public alternatives to war workingforchange.com

Arrogant Washington cabal fuels unease of allies By Thomas Walkom/ thestar.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 366 of 510 )
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A Bright September Morning By William Rivers Pitt : t r u t h o u t
Essay

"All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die."
- W.H. Auden, "September 1, 1939"


Bush Pulls a Grieving Nation Into War VillageVoice

Hope lies in America's voices of dissent By Fergal Keane in The Independent


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 367 of 510 )
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Believing war to be a crime against humanity,
the War Resisters League, founded in 1923, advocates Gandhian nonviolence as the method for creating a democratic society free of war, racism, sexism, and human exploitation.

...Pacifists are often considered dreamers who can’t face reality. Yet what is the reality? The United States is the world’s only superpower, with virtually unlimited military power—yet a handful of men using relatively primitive technology destroyed the two tallest buildings in Manhattan. Who is refusing to face reality when the government tells us we will be safer if we wage wider wars and spend more on the military?

They call us utopian, yet the hard political fact is that if the United States were less powerful militarily it would behave better. Only because of its great military power did it launch an illegal attack on Afghanistan. We believe in total disarmament—not arms control under which the major powers can continue to control the world’s resources and prevent needed social change. If the human race is to survive we must be able to envision a totally different future from the one toward which Bush [the retarded buffoon] now directs us. For those who believe terror can be eliminated by military power, the tragedy of Israel and the Palestinians shows otherwise. If Bush pursues that path, endless terror will be our fate, too. David McReynolds

George Bush I: The Man Who Helped Make September 11 a Reality by William L. Anderson

While the Ruins of the World Trade Center Smoldered, the Bush Administration Launched an Assault on the Constitution: Things We Lost in the Fire by Alisa Solomon/villagevoice

Natural Law and War by Bob Wallace LewRockwell.com

Hope lies in America's voices of dissent By Fergal Keane in The Independent

As Terror War Expands, Failures Multiply by William D. Hartung

Where Is He? The answer to what became of the al-Qaeda leader depends on whom you ask, Craig Nelson writes from Tora Bora 4 SMH.

US, India 'twin towers' of democracy: Sinha Agence France-Presse [...lol. rlling on the floor kind]

THE WAR ON WHAT? by NICHOLAS LEMANN in the NooYorker

Terrorism, drugs, and you : 'Traffickers, Terrorists & You' exhibit opens at DEA Museum

Self-Inflicted Wounds : Secret deportation hearings, U.S. citizens denied due process while in custody. These evoke memories of dictatorships and undermine the health of our democracy.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 368 of 510 )
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Nelson Mandela: The United States of America is a Threat to World Peace ; In a rare interview, the South African demands that George W. Bush win United Nations support before attacking Iraq

WE NEED JAW-JAW AND LAW-LAW BEFORE WAR-WAR The Mirror

Schröder's anti-war stance puts him ahead of the pack From Roger Boyes in Lübeck Times Online.co.uk


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 369 of 510 )
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Ornate pool a rarity in war-torn Afghanistan : CNN

Let's pick fights, enemies with prudence : Bruce Ramsey/Times editorial columnist

Children and 9/11: Art Helping Kids Heal National Geographic

Sept. 11: Will we stay free? Nat Hentoff jewishworldreview.com

Sept. 11 Families Wary on Civil Rights Threats

Is America the 'good guy'? Many now say, 'No.'


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 370 of 510 )
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Fascism's Firm Footprint in India by ARUNDHATI ROY in the Nation

Update: The War on Terror on Earth, in Orbit and in the Future By Leonard David Senior Space Writer

Japan's economy 'most exposed' in Iraq war : CNN

The Hunting of Steven J. Hatfill : Why are so many people eager to believe that this man is the anthrax killer? by David Tell in Weekly Standard

Justice in the Shadows : NYT Edit

No Iraq war - wink, wink : Whatever Chrétien says about staying out of a fight with: Baghdad, North American defence is so integrated, we're in up to our necks, says MICHAEL BYERS 4 Globe and Mail

"India did not want a war, conventional or otherwise, he went on, but it was determined to put an end to acts of terrorism that had claimed thousands of innocent lives..." u say!!! ha! Indian state killed more than 2/3 of them... peace and trade with them could have created a few 'Kashmir' in the fookin' desert... and btw UN is noo fookin' platform 2 address ur domestic audiences... u morons

u are inside the border terrorist... Gaandhi assassin... hiMsaavaadii lampaTs... u r the terrorist...

Vajpayee also accused Pakistan threatening India with its nuclear weapons. "In our South Asian region, nuclear blackmail has emerged over the last few months as a new arrow in the quiver of state-sponsored terrorism," he said.

and who gave the bomb2them...? who forced them or gave an opportunity 2 come outta closet? u did... coz u hiMsaavaadii gandhii assassins wanted it 4 long... since 1951. what a disaster u guys are... and kaisii iss ghaTia desh kii phooTii taQdeer hai... maahi ve... kareIn toh kisse karieN hum shikwa...

...Bhartiya Jaanleva Party... nah jenocidal party gasping 4 legitimacy... hence 2 bhaaNDs as minister sinister... replacing an efficient qualified doctor as health minister... hence this ex-royalty as chief de lumpen-e-Rajisthaan... who hasn't learned the Urdu letter 'zuad'... rhymed zimmedaar as jimmedaar twice... lol... we know how good a 'leader' she would be [of all these menial 'ram sewak bajrangii']... we know how good she gotta be at the inter-personal relation game... she will be a disaster... :), ear2ear kind...


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 371 of 510 )
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Donald 'Rummy' Rumsfeld: The Most Dangerous Mon[ster] in Washington CounterPunch

Say No To Bush SIDDHARTH VARADARAJAN in TOI

Revisiting 'Rumsfeld’s Rules' of 1974 by Gary North @ lewrockwell.com

Like occupied, like occupier By Amira Hass in Ha'aretz

Why Britain Should not Join in the War against Iraq Sean Gabb

WHY THIS WAR? : Two reasons: Oil and Israel (not necessarily in that order) : Justin Raimondo

The Dangers of Richard 'WWF' Armitage by Marc Sirois yellow Times

Bush issues veiled ultimatum to U.N. Assembly must enforce Iraq resolutions or lose influence on U.S.

terrorist threat made by three medical students of Middle Eastern descent ''a hoax'' Friday afternoon and called to end an investigation that shut down one of the Florida's busiest interstate highways all day... [ MuNh Nochuwa omnipresent in the globalvillage... ha!]

Let's show the world the power of freedom By David Nassar The Baltimore Sun

You Will Fly the Flag, and You Will Like It Patriotism is to be found in the heart, not the hand that takes away liberty. LA Times


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 372 of 510 )
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REMOVE "%20" from the URLs if page is not displayed... hey Outlook trying to gag me or what?!?



Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 373 of 510 )
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Bush's Worst-Case Scenario

World leaders' mixed response to Bush speech

The Case Against War by STEPHEN ZUNES


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 374 of 510 )
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Never Mind, Mr. Sharon WP

Robert Fisk: America's case for war is built on blindness, hypocrisy and lies The Independent

Democrats: Iraq No Imminent Threat, Bush Wants Hussein's Oil By Jeff Johnson CNS noose

Saddam trained Bin Laden forces says Blair dossierScotsman.com [u will lead Oooke 2 be isolated too in the globalvillage... shoulder 2 shoulder... EC and China will be two big powers...

Israel to Follow U.S. Lead if Iraq Is Attacked By THE NEW YORK TIMES

Saddam's Iraq is the ideal enemy By Raymond Whitaker The Independent

Op-ed: Shared understandings and deterrence Daily Times

Congress and War by JOHN NICHOLS

Fortunes of war await Bush's circle after attacks on Iraq By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles

Weapons Of Mass Murder by James Glaser


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 375 of 510 )
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Labour attacks Blair's 'gung-ho' war plan By George Jones, Political Editor

War for Disarmament? JBS.OrG

Public responsible for foreign policy By Constance Hilliard

Iraq first, Iran and China next : Weapons of mass destruction aren't the issue, it's about global control By Dan Plesch

Editors' Links : "A Very Thin Reed" By Sara Rimensnyder

[The Carpenter and the Shepard putta woork down the fookin' drain... 2000 and 1400 years of adherence to this two 'sarvahaara religion' gone in vain... 10 million US jews are the real owners of America... on the driving seat full of jaahil 'gentile' bachcha paaloo janta...

attacking Iraq all hell brake loose... Dubya the retarded baboon sayeth ...matter of days and not weeks 2 Soddom Singh... hey CONgressmen and senators... I would say impeach the buffoon... b4 it's too late... so no days and no weeks... just fookin' do it ASAP... or else US and UK doomed... not that all nukes reclaimed from US and dumped into the sea but equal number of slaps 2 all Prezes soo far... and a black patch on each of them...]


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 376 of 510 )
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Editorial: If the issue is human rightsmadison.com

BUSH IS MAKING MOCKERY OF UNThe Mirror

THIS WAR IS A FAILURE By John Pilger in The Mirror

...Indeed Zee was first reporting Raajdhaanii accident... [ah he-ABV speak gHalat gHalat as galat] other noose channel in la la land... ''unspooling'' the taped noose... lol... but this Baniya bhaiNs ka tabela just ready and waiting 4 it 2 happen 2 beat other4 commercial gains... but other front they''r poor in quality... borders on their caption graphic and other graphics in poor taste... they missed even updating the ticker... lol... proof of us being moonkies on a bullock cart... that too in a reverse gear...

Poonam Saxena obsessed with hip sizes... i bet she got a boney one... lol... hence over emphasis... Only a Salmaan KHursheed could match his articulation... or an Aarif Mohammed Khan... and hey geet saRaa huaa gaane wale... Muslims aren''t second biggest in noombers but they are also in majority... and they should be the ruling class... b4 some progress happen... all Hindu seem now lampaT 2 me... that includes even Vinod Mehta4all his jingoism and his identification with the Eendoos... lol... If u have Muslims as the ruling class... which u eventually will than... u will have not just better governance but better disaster management... can''t expect neething from the lampaT, underdeveloped psyche of the Hindus... only 3% brahmins are hindus and they are ruling the roost...


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 377 of 510 )
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An Anti-War Movement of One : A conservative breaks ranks with both the right and left to oppose an Iraq attack BY PHILIP GOLD in seattleweekly.com

Drawing the Line: the Path to Controlling Weapons in Space By Philip E. Coyle and John B. Rhinelander acronym.org.uk

Is Bush's War Illegal? Let Us Count the Ways by Francis Boyle counterpunch.org


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 378 of 510 )
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Editorial: Bribing our way to war : captimes

Is the Peace Movement Dead? : Looking for the left after 9/11. BY GEOV PARRISH seattleweekly.com

The Other Israel: Voices of Refusal and Dissent by Kathleen Christison former CIA political analyst

Spoiled by war A BOSTON GLOBE EDITORIAL

Untested administration hawks clamor for war By James Bamford USA Today

Arresting questions by Brendan O''Neill spiked-online.com

WANNISKI ADDRESSES THE UNITED NATIONS supplysideinvestor.com

Attack would breed more terrorists BY JOHN B. QUIGLEY twincities.com

West on brink of Iraq war by Joe Murphy, Evening Standard

America plans PR blitz on Saddam From Tim Reid in Washington 4 timesonline

Bush plays Caligula while Blair strews his path with rose petals The Scotsman

Iraq attack could cost $200 billion : Bush economic czar’s estimate much higher than Pentagon’s By Bob Davis MSNBC/THE WALL STREET JOURNAL


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 379 of 510 )
Amazing work tathagat. You and Vohsehdan put us all to shame with your spead of research, variety of points etc. Hats off!!!

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 380 of 510 )
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Danke!!! gandalf...

The world must stop this madman By Maureen Dowd of NYT in SMH [tathagat sayeth it first]

Memo to UN: You're either with us or you're history By Mahir Ali 4 dawn.com

America's imperial slide toward war/ free-market.net

Robert Fisk: President Bush wants war, not justice - and he'll soon find another excuse for it

Tomorrow it's us : "Rarely are free speech protections necessary when the message is pleasing, and the messenger is popular. It's the flag-burners and the Klansmen and the pornographers who test our commitment to the notion that, short of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, anything goes. Ideas must be freely exchanged to rise or fall on their own merits -- not through government dictate."

Rome, AD ... Rome, DC? : They came, they saw, they conquered, and now the Americans dominate the world like no nation before. But is the US really the Roman empire of the 21st century? And if so, is it on the rise - or heading for a fall? Jonathan Freedland of guardian.co.uk sifts the evidence [its a shoulder2shoulder most idiotic of empires... and it sure is bent upon fall... ]

The imperial moment Galal Nassar 4 Al Ahram Weekly

Doing as the Romans did The notion that the US 'war on terror' will defeat terrorism is a sick joke, writes Tariq Ali 4 Al Ahram Weekly

Robert Scheer: Curses! Dubya Gets Foiled Again : Hussein's nod to inspections may leave Bush without an excuse to go to war /LA Times

John Nichols: USA Patriot Act needs dismantling /Capital Times


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 381 of 510 )
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We will not surrender : John Laughland reports from Iraq on the determination of ordinary people to fight any attempt by the British and Americans to impose regime change

You Call That Evidence? Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists [death2all the people who contemplated the violent aspect of it]

Is 'groupthink' driving us to war? By Karen J. Alter

Let’s blame it all - including the awful summer - on Saddam By Fiona McCade

Bombs will deepen Iraq's nightmare : This war plan forces me to stand by the dictator who tortured me By Haifa Zangana

Israel's Routine Terrorism by John Pilger in The Mirror

War As A Distraction Charley Reese

War is a Political Mistake By Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) @ anti-war.com

Minority Report: Close to Reality? thenewamerican.com

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Update: The War on Terror on Earth, in Orbit and in the Future By Leonard David Senior Space Writer in space.com

Think the Days of the Draft are Gone? Think Again By William Rivers Pitt 4 t r u t h o u t
Perspective


BK  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 382 of 510 )
Its all business: - Where was Ayatolah Komeni for 14 years - In France - Who gave all weopns to Sadam Husain during war with Iran- USA and Europe through Saudi and Kuwait - Who gave arms to Osama Bin Laden- USA through Pakistan - Why Sadam was not removed during gulf war - becuase he was danger to rich countries like Kuwait and Saudi - USA and Britain got defence contracts

Question is why USA wants to remove Sadam Husain now?

- there were 18 Saudis in 9/11, Osama is from Saudi Arabia- clearly USA has recognise that Saudi is the most dangerous country as it can finance Islamic terrorist ( side story : Saudi government paid 450 m$ to Osama not to do any activity in Saudi Arabia) - Once established that Saudi Arabia is dangerous it must be contained - By removing Sadam Husain, government run by USA backed opposition can be installed (even people of Iraq will celebrate when Sadam Husain will be removed from power) - This will clear way to get more than 4 MBPD of oil. Plus all big contracts to restore infrastructure and oil production, refineries etc. - Democracy is last thing Saudi Arabia would like to see in the Middle East -Saudi Arabia has got more tha 400 B$ worth of invetsment in USA which can be frozen to put economic sanctions at later date - War will help to recover economy of USA - This will clear way to finish Saudi Arabia's economy.

This is nothing but pure business. True terrorism is big problem of today but it is out come of greed.It can not be justified and must be fought but should be faught on the basis of principals (not for economic reasons as mentioned above)


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 383 of 510 )
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LET THE UN INSPECTORS IN – Israel, this means you! Justin Raimondo

A Gulf War Veteran Asks: What Will I Tell My Children? By Charles Sheehan-Miles, AlterNet

Baghdad, September 2002: City of Doom By Norman Solomon, AlterNet

America, Meet Your Leaders by Harry Browne

Ironic if Bush himself causes jihad SMH

Hawks offer no proof to justify attack BY ANDREW GREELEY 4 Chicago Sun-Times

War talk : SunSpot

FBI's 'Perverse Culture' The New American

A Father-Son Chat About Iraq by Clarence Page sunspot.net


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 384 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Ironic if Bush himself causes jihad SMH
A Father-Son Chat About Iraq by Clarence Page sunspot.net Hawks offer no proof to justify attack BY ANDREW GREELEY 4 Chicago Sun-Times
War talk : SunSpot
FBI's 'Perverse Culture' The New American


Satnam  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 385 of 510 )
The US srategy is absolutely brilliant. Rumsfeld says that a coalition will rule Baghdad that means the US and Britain!Iraq has 10% of the global oil reserves. That means sitting in Baghda the Us controls nearly 50% of the global oil reserves as it now completely dictates terms to the Gulf!

We will witness a different world.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 386 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
September 1982 Sabra and Chatila [a po'am] by THOMAS MOUNTAIN

AMERICA'S WAR ON TERROR -- AND ISTORY

Save America from the War Partywnd.com

Bush isn't thinking ahead sfgate.com

Bush plans invite U.S. ’Day of infamy“ By CHARLES DAVIS National Catholic Reporter

Why Blair must listen to chorus of dissent observer.co.uk

DEA's War on California The Crackdown on Medical Marijuana counterpunch.com

The audacious courage of Mr Blair : observer.co.uk

The Murder of Arafat : mediamonitors.net

Bush's war plans are a cover-up, Byrd says

Save America from the War Party /wnd.com

STRATFOR GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE UPDATE : War effect: Price of oil to skyrocket $40 per barrel level likely as Iraq operation proceeds

Bush administration's Iraq campaign includes behind-scenes bartering


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 387 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
September 23, 2002 Feminism as imperialism : George Bush is not the first empire-builder to wage war in the name of women By Katharine Viner The Guardian

Remember the Gulf of Tonkin By Gar Alperovitz, WP

Culture War With B-2's By MAUREEN DOWD NYT

B-2 bombers poised to lead war on Saddam : Iraq: Observer special : Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor

War Plans Target Hussein Power Base : Scenarios Feature A Smaller Force, Narrower Strikes By Thomas E. Ricks, Washington Post Staff Writer

Plan Likely to Further Isolate U.S. By SONNI EFRON and CAROL J. WILLIAMS, L.A. TIMES STAFF WRITERS

Hamza's war James Prather WorldNetDaily.com

Marching off to peace : If the politicians won't go to the people, or at least listen to them, then a mountain of people will come to the politicians, says Ken Loach, ahead of this week's anti-war demonstration

Hawks won't stop with Baghdad By Rosemary Hollis in The Observer


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 388 of 510 )
satnam:

"That means sitting in Baghda the Us controls nearly 50% of the global oil reserves as it now completely dictates terms to the Gulf!"

Better the americans control Iraqi oil than the fucking wahabbi assholes in the ME. India will benefit, so we should remain neutral so that we can reap any benefits and forgo any blame.


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 389 of 510 )
Karapal, As usual you display the cowardly mindset of the Sanghis who will forever be hiding under the skirts of US, Russia and mobs.

I would say that there is a far higher chance that US (once it controls the oil) will put the screws on us than some sad Arab dictatorship.

Again you seem to be bereft of common sense, Krappy


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 390 of 510 )
Gandalf:

"As usual you display the cowardly mindset of the Sanghis who will forever be hiding under the skirts of US, Russia and mobs. "

This is not a competition on who is the most moral, nor is it some display of extended machismo, you stupid turd. If you are in charge of the foreign affairs of a country like India which has an impending energy crisis (mostly due to mismangament by past govts for many decades) -- which is just one of the many crises we face --- we Indians need to take whatever position suits our interests. If cretins like you were in charge of Indian foreign policy we will we preaching morality like the cretin Nehru did, and screw our own interests and thus our own peoples in India.


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 391 of 510 )
Gandalf:

"I would say that there is a far higher chance that US (once it controls the oil) will put the screws on us than some sad Arab dictatorship."

You dravidian inferiority complex is showing, pal. The US has always never flinched from screwing anyone as long as it serves their interests. Our interests lie in keeping the arab assholes happy by saying what they want to hear, while we continue to push ahead in implementing our own agenda by all means within our control.

"Again you seem to be bereft of common sense, Krappy"

You really should read up a little bit on the concepts of realism and neo-realism, if you want to understand how the mandarins who create US foreign policy think.

Go look at the academic syllabus/background of the average asshole who writes american foreign policy (Which is independent of the president at the helm -- these "think tanks" work across administrations and hold together a plan that might take decades to implement.

http://www.polsci.wvu.edu/polsci/graduate/ courses.htm


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 392 of 510 )
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_70810,00050 001.htm

Look at the cowardly arab turds greasing up and bending over for the US, and acquiescing to attacks on Iraq. So much for all this crap about islamic unity.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 393 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Who cares about the people? Irene Khan /IHT

Helplessly, We Await the Catastrophe Our Rulers Are Creating by Robert Higgs @ lew rockwell.com

The Wolf With No Wits by Richard Cummings @ lew rockwell.com

Iraq takes journalists on tour to expose Blair 'lies' By Kim Sengupta in Baghdad

The Sketch: No evidence, no rebellion: a supreme act of parliamentary management By Simon Carr/ The Independent

A Failure of Imagination by Bill C Davis CommonDreams.orG

Blair's dodgy dossier by Brendan O'Neill spiked-online.com

Robert Fisk: The dishonesty of this so-called dossierIf these pages of trickery are based on 'probably' and 'if', we have no business going to war

Bush's plan Recipe for armageddon BY JOHN SUGG /atlanta.creativeloafing.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 394 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Inspect this @ workingforchange.com

The many prices of war : Jordon Times Edit

America's new "sucker punch" strategy Pat Buchanan

The day the empire struck back By JAMES LAXER/ Globe & Mail

Manifesto for world dictatorshipSMH

Bush opted for UN speech after exercises showed U.S. not ready

War is Peace? Ignorance is Strength in Bush Security Strategy 2002by Molly Ivins workingforchange.com

First Strike Doctrine: Mix of Arrogance and Fear by Robert Scheer in LA Times

SMEARING THE GERMANS : Justin Raimondo Pro-war political correctness: if you're for peace, you must be 'anti-Semitic'

High-Altitude Rambos By BOB HERBERT /NYT

Congress should remember lessons of Tonkin By Jules Witcover/ sunspot.net

Still a Few Dots to Connect in Iraq Domino Theory By RONALD BROWNSTEIN, LA TIMES STAFF WRITER


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 395 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Ashcroft’s Baghdad Connection : Why the attorney general and others in Washington have backed a terror group with ties to Iraq By Michael Isikoff NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE

Agency [Cited by Bush] disavows report on Iraq armsBy Joseph Curl/THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Butler Fears Israel Could Use Nukes if Iraq Attacks REUTERS/NYT

Phil Haslanger: Attack on Iraq just wrong By Phil Haslanger Capitol Times

Alternatives to War By Barbara Lee in sfgate

Bush Faces Congress Delay on Iraq By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

Rice : US to have military superiority because it is 'very special' : Jang [bad rather ooogly word 4 a name]

Bush: `Can't distinguish' between Iraq and al-Qaida By RON HUTCHESON and DIEGO IBARGUEN /Knight Ridder Newspapers

Blair govt shrugs off UK anti-war rebels By Al Webb United Press International

WHAT ABOUT BIN LADEN? By Jonathan Freedland 4 The Mirror


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 396 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Are your ready for WW IV? : Trying to create a small Jewish state in a sea of Muslims was a 20th century mistake. Trying to reconstruct the Middle East would be a bigger mistake. Why not recognize the mistake, evacuate the Jews, leave the Muslims to themselves and focus on saving our own country?

STRATFOR GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE UPDATE : Uniting Jordan, Iraq post-war goal? : Establishment of Hashemite kingdom being floated in diplomatic circles

NeoCons Are Crazy:Charley Reese

As U.S. foreign policy shifts from Containment to Preemption, the opposition remains timid and quiet. Where is their courage and voice? By Dave Pell /interventionmag.com

Following Iraq's bioweapons trail BY ROBERT NOVAK Chicago SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

A war for oil : Mikhail Khodorkovsky tells John Laughland that American control of Iraq will be good for Cadillacs but bad for Russia : Spectator

American Journal : The Dogs of War, the Bears of Wall St. by ALEXANDER COCKBURN @ Counterpunch

Opposing the President's Call for 'Relentless War' By David Krieger, Nuclear Age Peace Foundation. www.wagingpeace.org.

A declaration of war against the world : A 28-page answer to the question 'why do they hate us' Workingforchange.com


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 397 of 510 )
Tathagat:

WW III is yet to happen, you leftist turd. So talking about WW IV is quite stupid.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 398 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
The latest Bush doctrine: out with the old, in with the old Dubya and the Hulkster vs. Saddam and the Iron Sheik? By Arianna Huffington

"Chosen By God To Lead America" : Having received the green light from “above,” Christian George is about to unleash a holiness that just might Armageddon all of us. By Rick Friedman & Stewart Nusbaumer /interventionmag.com

The courage to question dmregister.com

UK Gujaratis join anti-Iraq war protest By RASHMEE Z AHMED/ TOI

My Big Fat Iraq Debate CBS News

We are sleepwalking into a reckless war of aggression By Seumas Milne /The Guardian

Congress Overwhelmed With Anti-War Calls From "The Silenced Majority" /democracynow.org

The Saving Private Ryan nightmare scenario : The war on Saddam Hussein could go horribly wrong, warns one Gulf War veteran. Marian Wilkinson reports 4 SMH.

Will the U.S. reap what it has sown? Byrd asks By Paul J. Nyden STAFF WRITER

War for the Sake of War?jbs.orG


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 399 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
POLITICIZE THE WAR!– and make the War Party answer for its recklessness : Raimondo

India In a Trap on Iraq : Bidwai @ anti-war.com

Op-ed: Nuclear deterrence: the inside look By M V Ramana/ dailytimes.com.pk

No-fly blacklist snares political activists By Alan Gathright, SF Chronicle Staff Writer

Wake Up And Smell The Occupation by Sam Bahour mediamonitors.net

Some Questions About the War by Bob Murphy lewrockwell.com

We think there's a link... by Brendan O'Neill

400,000 Protesters stage anti-war rally Beeb


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 400 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
US Hypocrisy on Those IKCs You Guessed It: International Kangaroo Courts by GEORGE SZAMUELY counterpunch.org

The peace movement lives : 2002 war opposition is alive, kicking -- and wired

Oops, More Unexpected Casualties By David Hackworth, AlterNet

U.S. Special Forces are frustrated. Kicking down doors and frisking women, they say, is no way to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan. A report from the front By Colin Soloway 4 NEWSWEEK @ MSNBC

Great Tokyo Air Raid was a war crime By HIROAKI SATO 4 Japan Times

No by Brian Balta HR Senior Columnist : hoosierreview.com

Gerhard Schroeder/Green win in Deutschland and 400K strong Lundon Peace March means a Conservative loss in forthcoming congressional elections... and a negative swing against Dubya dhor/war party... best way 2 stop this retarded buffoon... when Ozzy asked him 2 wear his kinda hair... dubya said next term... [he ofcourse took good few minutes b4 the moron could come up with the answer...] Ozzy da must have shudder with a thought of him back in there... looks like THEY will have 2 impeach him 4 insanity I guess...


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 401 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
One Day In Peace : Please print out and distribute in your schools & communities Perform the ONE DAY IN PEACE Play... Hey teachers!!! leave those kids alone...

Specter of War Stirs Campus Dissent : Opposition to U.S. Action in Iraq Quietly Grows as Many College Students Question Administration's Motives By Lee Hockstader in Washington Post Staff Writer

The Strength in Our Differences By Diana Abu-Jaber @ WP

THE LIE MACHINE – It's working overtime to push us into war with Iraq : Justin Raimondo @ anti-war.com

'This war is wrong and we won't stand for it' : Eye witness: Up to 350,000 people marched in London yesterday against military action in Iraq. And they were not the 'usual suspects' Simon O'Hagan 4 The Independent

Looking Behind Ha'aretz's Liberal Image @ anti-war.com

Once tanks roll, debate's too late By KAREN HERSHENSON :TIMES COLUMNIST

German squawk, American hawk : Listen to the muted voices of dissent coming out of Europe... Mani Shankar Aiyar in Indian Express


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 402 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Kill first, ask questions laterSMH

Unasked Questions : WP

Taking It To London's Streets The New Anti-War Movement by TARIQ ALI @ CounterPunch

The president's real goal in Iraq : AJC

Let Slip the Blogs of War : OJR

Give me some truth by john lennon I am sick and tired of hearing things from up tight-short-sighted- narrow minded hypocritics. All I want is the truth. Just give me some truth. I've had enough of reading things by neurotic-psychotic- pig headed politicians. All I want is the truth. Just give me some truth. No short haired-yellow bellied son of tricky dicky is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me with just a pocketful of hope money for dope money for rope. I'm sick to death of seeing things from tight-lipped condescending-mommies little chauvinists. All I want is the truth. Just give me some truth. I've had enough of watching scenes of schizophrenic-ego-centric paranoic prima-donnas. All I want is the truth. Just give me some truth. Just give me some fookin' truth.

Working Class Hero by John Lennon As soon as you're born they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years Then they expect you to pick a career When you can't really function you're so full of fear A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still [un]fucking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be If you want to be a hero well just follow me If you want to be a hero well just follow me


[if u wanna be a hero well just appa deepo bhava, coz following business sounds ooogly 2 me... so the Vande business... vande fookin' no body... and Vande Maatram was a trick 2 isolate the muslims... they knew it won't be acceptable 2 them... coz they they bow only 2 the alllaaah!!!]


TALK : Come September [Text of the talk at Lensic Performing Arts Center, Santa Fe, New Mexico, on September 29, 2002] By ARUNDHATI ROY ZNet/Outlookindia.com


BK  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 403 of 510 )
To counter Saudi financeing to terrorist it seems that USA government has decided to remove Sadam and bring opposition in power. One thing is sure Iraqi people will be the first one to celebrate Sadam's removal.

It is good that USA has realised Saudi's financing of muslim terrorism.I hope when Pakistan;s utilisation is over to fight in Afganistan USA will bring Pakistan to her knees as well.

The above points are my obesrvation only I do not support or condenm the above move. As India we should not wait for USA to take action rather we should have our own policy to tackel islamic terrorism imposed upon us by Pakistan with the help of money power from Saudi.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 404 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Who Am I to Question the Commander-in-Chief? by Charles Sheehan-Miles @ commondreams.orG

False guarantees of individual liberties By Nat Hentoff /Washington Times

Iraq: Misguided mission by Rex Rhoades /sunjournal.com

Guess who might use nuclear weapons in Iraq? By Elizabeth Sullivan /cleveland.com

Iraq Debate In Mainstream Is Ultra-Hawks vs. Moderate-Hawks By Robert Jensen and Rahul Mahajan /ZNet

Questions from the anti-war march for Mr Blair : We reject the weapons of mass deception that are being deployed to mobilise public opinion into backing US bloodlust By Yasmin Alibhai-Brown /The Independent

Let's have the real story, George : Bush should come clean on why exactly he wants to attack Iraq By Sheryl Mccarthy /Business Times

The White House On Iraq: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Proof ARIANNA ONLINE


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 405 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Peace Links... happy B-day baapu...

America's Messianic War Cult : We have met the hegemony, and he is usby Matthew Hogan 4 spectacle.org

A Hunger For War Criticism? By Alan Bock

Coming Assaults on America by Sheldon Richman /fff.com

Poams : If the world were a global village of 100 people, 1/3 would be rich or at moderate income, 2/3 would be poor. Of the 100 residents, 47 would be unable to read and only 1 would have a college education. About 35 would be suffering from hunger and malnutrition, at least 1/2 would be homeless or living in substandard housing. Of the 100 people, 6 would be Americans. These 6 would have over 1/3 of the village's entire income, and the other 94 would subsist on the other 2/3's. How could the wealthy 6 live in peace with their neighbours? Surely they would be driven to arm themselves against the other 94... perhaps even spend as Americans do about twice as much per person on military defense as the total income of 2/3's of the villagers. --Hazel Henderson

Since wars begin in the minds of men, it is in the minds of men the defenses of peace must be constructed. For differences in each others' ways and lives has been a common cause throughout the history of mankind, for that suspicion and mistrust which has all too often broken into war. --Preamble to the Constitution of UNESCO

Better to think before we fight By Paul Craig Roberts 4 Washington Times

Lotts of Outrage by John deLaubenfels @ strike-the-root.com

The sun can't set on this empire too soon : The U.S. has no right to indulge in imperialism By Robert Scheer @ workingforchange.com

NOT FOR JUSTICE, BUT OIL By TOM FENNELL with WILLIAM LOWTHER in Washington


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 406 of 510 )
BK,

The US does not care if Indians are killed by the jihadi vermin, as long as they do not hurt US citizens.

India needs to take care of its own at some point in the future (we certainly arenot doing so now).


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 407 of 510 )
"India needs to take care of its own at some point in the future (we certainly arenot doing so now)."

Wow, could this truthful statement be a slip of the keys... so as to speak?


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 408 of 510 )
Gandalf:

"Wow, could this truthful statement be a slip of the keys... so as to speak?"

India is a big country, you stupid cretin, so it goes without saying that the govt. cannot be everywhere at all times. The question is one of molding public opinion by stating the facts about pakistan and their hatred for India and Indians to the Indian public. The pseudo-secular fuks in the Indian press have so far been against any action against pakistan --- they seem to have opinions identical to that of musharraf.

The Indian govt. cannot take overt action against pakistan, thanks to the secular brigade like Vinod Mehta, Shekar Gupta, and other resident non indians, who immediately start complaining about the belligerence and "state terrorism" of India. Shekar Gupta writes 10 articles calling for India to open a dialogue with pakistan (just like musharraf wants). Kuldip Nayar writes 20 articles on how all Indians should have sex with pakistanis, or maybe he said "love", I dont recall....

The govt. of India cannot take any action unless it has a public mandate to do so. However, our cretinous "intellectuals" like PS Jha, A Roy, S Gupta, V Mehta, and 1000s of the desi dork media, immmediately wax eloquent on how the pakis are our blood brothers. These traitors need to be wiped out if Indians are to agree to a consensus that pakistan is to be broken up into smaller states, and the army completely defanged, if we are EVER to have lasting peace in this region.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 409 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Blair's British Problem The Nation

Only non-violence can end violence By Sanat Mohanty

The president's nuclear threat
By James Carroll 4 boston.com

Iraq's Little Secret By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF @ NYT

Uncle Osama says: I want you to attack Iraq By Gene Collier 4 post-gazette.com

Fictions Embraced by an Israel at War By DAVID GROSSMAN 4 NYT

Guilt vs. Responsibility by Sean Gonsalves /commondreams.orG

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 410 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
IN THE MILITARY : Navy combat systems unsafe? : Chief tester says weapons deployed before 'acceptable' /worldnetdaily.com

To Make War, Presidents Lie by Robert Higgs /lewrockwell.com.

Israeli General DisagreesCharley Reese

Anti-war - but what for? by Brendan O'Neill @ spiked-online.com

Think Twice before you Attack : Neve Gordon @ mediamonitors.net

Tell me lies about Iraq : Politicians, generals and authors are all fighting the fiercest battle of all - to make us believe their side of the story By John Sutherland 4 The Guardian


BK  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 411 of 510 )
I o not see usefullness of putting so many links in the MB rather than discussion. I wonder if any one reads these links. Not me becuase I am sure it must be reflecting one sided story.

That is why you see whole this topic has messages from Tathagat and very few messages from others.


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 412 of 510 )
"India is a big country, you stupid cretin,"

No Shit!!!, Thanks for the info dumbass

"The Indian govt. cannot take overt action against pakistan, thanks to the secular brigade like Vinod Mehta, Shekar Gupta, and other resident non indians"

YO, Let me get this strainght, a elected BJP govt cannot take any action agaist Pakistan because of the editors of two miniscule English language papers??? WOW, Man, this awsome power held by Shekar Gupta is new to me.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 413 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
WAR FACTS

In recorded history since 3600 BC, over 14,500 major wars have killed close to four billion people – two-thirds of the current world population.

In armed conflicts since 1945, 90 per cent of casualties have been civilians compared to 50 per cent in the Second World War and 10 per cent in the First.

The planning and execution of war remains controlled by men. But women and children are the main victims of violence in war and peace.

Even in peacetime, women are far more likely to experience violent abuse than men – for example one out of every six pregnant women in the US is battered during pregnancy.

A contribution to the militarization of society is to socialize children into thinking violence and war are justifiable and glorious. From military, defence and weapons-industry recruitment schemes to action-hero toys, society creates killers. • There are at least 250,000 child soldiers fighting in armed conflict. • Most countries consider young soldiers ‘volunteers’. But often coercion is involved – in Uganda around 8,000 children have been abducted for use as soldiers or prostitutes. • Britain’s Manchester airport has had more than 1,000 security alerts a year caused by children taking toy guns on holiday. • By the age of 16 an American child has seen, on average, 18,000 murders on television.

UN petition for US Regime Change By Jonathan Wilson/ nonviolence.org

Some Wonderful Sayings about Peace

When will it appear, the sunrise of that day when humanity will turn itself to light of Truth, when the appeal of those who are helping is finally heard and their words are enacted? But come what may! I intend to strive as though the time were already here! --Zarathustra, 600 B.C.

Death is Not Always Dying by Susan Giesen

Why are you so afraid?
It´s all this war talk. My sons will all be draft age very soon. I can´t bear the thought of them ...

Of them what? Are you afraid of them being shot?
No.

Are you afraid of them being disabled, losing an arm, a leg, being blinded?
It´s not that. I could live with that and so could they.

It must be death that you fear so much. The thought of losing them.
No, it´s much worse than that.

What could be worse than that?
I´ve seen soldiers come home. It´s the look in their eyes. My sons have never had that look, and I don´t ever want to see it in their eyes.

What look?
Emptiness. Like their souls have been raped, and their spirits smothered. They are walking tombs.

You see too many movies, and read to much.
If I had never seen a movie or read one book, I would still know that this is true. My heart tells me that my children can die for another, but they cannot kill without becoming their own enemy. There are more ways than one to be dead.

From the antalogy Women Against Military Madness and Women Poets of the Twin Cities, 1994 (US $10). WAMM, 310 E. 38th St., Suite 225, Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.

Story O The Peace Symbol


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 414 of 510 )
Gandalf:

"YO, Let me get this strainght, a elected BJP govt cannot take any action agaist Pakistan because of the editors of two miniscule English language papers??? "

In a democracy, govts. cannot and will not take action that does not have a popular mandate. Shekar Gupta regularly "informs" the Indian people that the pakis are actually our brothers and it is the Indian govt.'s intransigence that is blocking a solution. Do you think public consent for action against pakistan will grow for or against GoI acting against pakistan?? Your simple mind needs to understand that reality need not always be simple.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 415 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Mark Fiore Presents : Why? Well why not? [animation] @ workingforchange.com

Report details US 'intelligence failures':Beeb

Iraq's Little Secret By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF /NYT

Dick’s Desert Dream : Cheney, Wolfowitz, and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and Iraq by Peter Lee @ anti-war.com

Who's Declaring War? by Sheldon Richman @ anti-war.com

A radical rethink of international relations By William Pfaff /International Herald Tribune,

US hardline on Iraq leaves full-scale invasion a 'hair-trigger' away By Julian Borger in Washington, Ewen MacAskill, and Ian Black in Brussels /The Guardian

Is it better the devil you know? By Professor Yasir Suleiman /The Scotsman


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 416 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Saddam Hussein is an Ugly, Evil Monster!!! By Jude Wanniski /supplysideinvestor.com

The Propaganda Race by Jeffrey A. Tucker /lewrockwell.com

2 cheers for Jim McDermott

A public split has emerged over Iraq as Russia, France and Germany all openly reject the tougher new U.N. draft resolution proposed by the United States and Britain. /CNN

Reality, If Not Normality /WP

Hawks and doves split over next UN move By Julian Borger /The Guardian

Reality's Hidden 'Minority Report' : The Political Gnosis of Philip K. Dick By Jay Kinney /New Dawn Magazine : The Truman Show, They Live!, Pleasantville, and most notably, The Matrix, were all Dick films at heart, despite his absence from their credits.

Butler accuses US of nuclear hypocrisy By Gerard Noonan, Education Editor /SMH

A Case Not Closed by Seymour M. Hersh /Newyorker

Stable Oil Prices Likely to Become a War Casualty, Experts Say By NEELA BANERJEE /NYT


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 417 of 510 )
"Shekar Gupta regularly "informs" the Indian people that the pakis are actually our brothers and it is the Indian govt.'s intransigence that is blocking a solution"

karapall, I recall you harping on the totall irrelevance of english newspapers as opposed to vernacular. What made you change your mind now your castrated chameleon?


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 418 of 510 )
"Shekar Gupta regularly "informs" the Indian people that the pakis are actually our brothers and it is the Indian govt.'s intransigence that is blocking a solution"

karapall, I recall you harping on the totall irrelevance of english newspapers as opposed to vernacular. What made you change your mind now you castrated chameleon?


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 419 of 510 )
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Bush's Visionary Seers By Dan Fahey, AlterNet

Robert Fisk: Nato used the same old trick when it made Milosevic an offer he could only refuse

The Opposition must oppose : Malcolm Rifkind explains why the Tories must subject the government’s policy on Iraq to rigorous scrutiny /spectator.co.uk

A Baghdad Diary : Journey into the abyss by Saul Landau /LA Weekly

Don't Give Bush War Powers By PAUL FINDLEY, LA Times 9/11: WHAT DID ISRAEL KNOW?– and when did they tell us? Justine Raimondo

The Smallpox HoaxCharley Rees

Misunderstanding the Rice doctrine By Walter Russell Mead /FT


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 420 of 510 )
Gandalf:

" I recall you harping on the totall irrelevance of english newspapers as opposed to vernacular."

There are two different audiences: local and foreign. local audiences in rural areas largely read the vernacular press. English newspapers are read by the "liberal" elite, (the candle holders and the paki kissers) and almost entirely by people in the larger metropolitan areas.

Manipulating these two audiences produces two completely different results: manipulating the vernacular press is crucial in order to get the support of rural indians who constitute > 90% of the populace.

However, the english media is the "face of the country" to the outside world, if you will, given the universality of english in the corridors of world power and opinion. Now, if the people in the media slander their fellow countrymen for purely local political reasons, such as blaming hindus for incidents without verifying the facts, and worse still, refusing to apologize for all the slander and lies. Then, these lies are used by external entities to twist India's arms in economic and security matters. The reason I rail on Shekar Gupta in particular are the completely anti-India stances that he takes when he is given an oppurtunity to express his viewpoint. He never flinches from blaming India and pakistan equally for our troubles, which plays nicely into the agenda of the pakis, who now invite him on a regular basis as a guest of the paki government. This man is a traitor in a position where he can influence public opinion --- that is my problem with him.

If Indians do not see a problem with this, then we have a lot of pain and suffering to endure in the near term and in the long term.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 421 of 510 )
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9/11: WHAT DID ISRAEL KNOW?– and when did they tell us? Justine Raimondo

Misunderstanding the Rice doctrine By Walter Russell Mead /FT

The Smallpox HoaxCharley Rees

A Baghdad Diary : Journey into the abyss by Saul Landau /LA Weekly

Don't Give Bush War Powers By PAUL FINDLEY, LA Times

Bush's Visionary Seers By Dan Fahey, AlterNet Robert Fisk: Nato used the same old trick when it made Milosevic an offer he could only refuse The Opposition must oppose : Malcolm Rifkind explains why the Tories must subject the government’s policy on Iraq to rigorous scrutiny /spectator.co.uk


Darshak  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 422 of 510 )
The tale of terror, the flurries of fight Why can't for a while we have some respite! Moments of pause and introspection in twilight Might perhaps give us few rays of leading light. But how can we! if seized by epilepsy of emotion That has its root in greed, and in so-called RELIGION: RELIGION - that breeds not love and reconciliation, Leading us to the hell of hatred, revenge and seclusion! God created us, and we the religion: 'A way of life in harmony with Nature' for the population, Characterized by resources, climate and weather around, And practised for progress, peace and health of all abound. Annoyance of failure, hatred for progress And arrogance of success often end in acts of disgrace. Tenacity of tolerance and fortune of forbearance - Let every life flourish with this fragrance. It's time to ponder, it's time to think Whether to float, or we want to sink Agonies of the past serve as reminder We ought not be tempted to repeat the blunder. Let there be life, let there be love Let us all take this humble resolve: Co-existence in diversities, compassion for all Let human values prevail over all.

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 423 of 510 )
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American Journal : An Entire Class of Thieves : Was it all the fault of Ayn Rand, of Carter and Kennedy, of the Chicago School, of Hollywood, of God's Demise? by ALEXANDER COCKBURN

If the people lead : Folks in Washington aren't yet getting the message. Time to turn up the volume.

A chink in the link by Brendan O'Neill Pentagon officials are playing the Iraq/al-Qaeda card again, claiming that top al-Qaeda operative Abu Musab Zarqawi was in Baghdad two months ago.

Chinese checkers : Bush's neocons have Iraq in their sights and China on their minds

Who Cares for Human Rights? : Remember, It's a Just War by Ilija Trojanow and Ranjit Hoskote

Why Sharon wants war : Emma Williams says that the Israeli Prime Minister is prepared to risk a hit in order to teach Iraq a lesson

Don’t Vote! by Robert Klassen Lew Rockwell.com

Burning the Constitution /sobran.com

ear Arundhati's Coom September and whole loadz of Buddhas... audio archive /lannan.org
indeed... there is this mastery of detail, all expressed in the most poetic and beautiful way. That combination is so hard to achieve...
The Bushnev Doctrine by Joseph R. Stromberg

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If only we paused to reflect before a violent thought! By Rooma Mehra in The Tribune

I look at Gujarat and I weep with guilt and shame./ I wonder if God knows what goes on in his name down here./ I wonder if God ever shudders and weeps... ur belief in god(s) is merely an escape from ur monotonous, routine, stupid and cruel life... God and Spook are fookin' the same phantoms... Moses saw him... and his hair toorned grey... but that again a story and noo further fookin' proof of that... this happened 2 and half fookin' thousand years ago... huh?!? ...fookin' collective schizophernia... huh!!! ha ha ha!!! Only the retarded haven't 'eared that he/she/it is dead... he/she long long been DEAD!...


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 424 of 510 )
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Following Bush over the edge BY ANDREW GREELEY Chicago-Sun Times

War Plans and Pitfalls by MICHAEL T. KLARE /thenation.com

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The 'Right' Way To Dominate The World By Harley Sorensen, Special to SF Gate

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Thought crime on campus : They're coming to take the professors away BY JOHN SUGG

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Brahmins do not have monopoly to perform temple puja: Indian SC

Poetry @ Tricycle Forums


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 425 of 510 )
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Military imprecision by Brendan O'Neill

It is exactly one year since US forces launched the Afghan war. Brendan O'Neill counts down the Top 10 errors of the war on terror.

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Bin Laden still alive, reveals spy satellite : A year of life on the edge Jason Burke in Jalalabad :Sunday October 6, 2002 : /The Observer

Proud to Be Pilloried for Simply Seeking a Sane Policy on Iraq LA Times

Double Talk on Democracy : NYT

Life during Wartime SFBG : Terrorism American-style By A.C. Thompson /SFBG

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Haywire: New Navy Fighters Flunk Bomb Tests by JEFFREY ST. CLAIR /CounterPunch

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BK  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 426 of 510 )
People who defend Sadam are grossly mistaken. He is danger to his own people than any one else. He must go. Weather America is right or wrong. As soon as Sadam is gone, people of Iraq will be the first to celebrate his removal from power.

He should have been removed from power during gulf war. Its iorny that it was business decision by west to keep Sadam as his threat will bring more defence contracts from Kuwait and Saudi. Now its important for west to remove him to squese Saudi's economy as it supports terrorism. Also reconstruction of Iraq will bring more busienss for the west.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 427 of 510 )
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Punching holes in 'madman' myth By Steve Chapman /Baltimore Sun

No Reason to Go to War by Sheldon Richman, /fff.org

Analysis: War of 1973 has lessons for Bush By Martin Sieff /UPI Senior News Analyst

The emperor within the empire By Jim Lobe /Asia Times

George Bush's Nuclear Lie : Last night, while addressing the nation, Bush forgot the truth about his nuclear lies, which undermine any truth in his speech. By Frederick Sweet /interventionmag.com

Battle of the addicts by Brendan O'Neill /spiked-online.com

CALL CONGRESS! : The Democrats have wimped out, the Republicans are in the neocons' pocket – it's up to you to stop this fateful war Justine Raimondo @ Anti-War.com

When Genocide Was Wrong by David Dieteman /lewrockwell.com

INTERVIEW-e-AAE: 'Unfair And Unsubstantiated' : The leading scholar and activist on the controversy and propaganda regarding madrasas and the need for reform. By YOGINDER SIKAND in Outlook

The case against preemption By Peter Mark /Asia Times

The Bad News by Jack Kenny /lewrockwell.com


sinbad  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 428 of 510 )
Karapallji, salaam alyekum,

Brother Kuldip is absolutely right.Let the beauties of Pakistan become the promised houries for our Sikh, Jat, Gurkha, Maratha, Gujrati and Tamili warriors.Unfaithfuls they may be but they will still come in handy. We will have little babies called Gurpreet Khan, Ranbahadur Khan, Sambhaji Khan, Tribhuvan Khan,Dharmendra Khan,Gemini Khan.They would be much better than our home grown hijdas like Salman Khan.Salman is too old now to become a pearly boy!A pity, indeed a pity!But who knows hardened criminals in the lockup may still feast on him!

Salman's next bail application may be on the grounds of rear-ended pregnancy! Praise be to Allah.


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 429 of 510 )
sinbadji:

"We will have little babies called Gurpreet Khan, Ranbahadur Khan, Sambhaji Khan, Tribhuvan Khan,Dharmendra Khan,Gemini Khan."

Dear brother in islam,

as long as the child is not named Pepsi Khan, I am okay with it. After all we cannot name good muslim children after evil american companies, especially children who will soon be strapping bombs on themselves towards the greater glory of islam and killing a good number of christians, jews, and other assorted kafirs, like they did in Bali, Indonesia yesterday.


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 430 of 510 )
Hahaham, the major sanghi dream of screwing non Hindu women coming out!..

Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 431 of 510 )
Gandalf:

"the major sanghi dream of screwing non Hindu women coming out!.. "

It is a wonder that a dipshit like you with such deep-seated hatred for hindus, insists on sucking your own dick about how secular and pro-peace you are. Christians like you are dipshits who have no clue about the dynamics of the different religions in India. Brainwashed with periyar's BS, the world is basically composed of opper caste/lower caste/brahmins, etc. etc. You are also the kind of person who exhibits such open bigotry and STILL maintains that he is secular. People like you and anwarsad are rightly called pseudo-secularists.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 432 of 510 )
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Why Thackeray gets away By Manoj Mitta /IE [Mumbai, Oct 17 ...police filed charges Thursday against Bal Thackeray over a "provocative" speech in which he called for Hindu suicide squads. [

Can we move on from Salman Khan, please? : It’s great, the outrage, but there are other crimes too you know By Sejal Shah in IE [now even the malichha judiciary playing 2 the gallery 2... it all sound so disgusting... country of a billion people yet sounding so chhichhora so effin' often... utterly bajrangii lampaTy!!!]

Déjŕ Vu All Over Again… By Phyllis Bennis TBWT Guest Contributor

Pakistan follows India’s withdrawal : Both sides to pull back troops from tense border region MSNBC NEWS SERVICES [but they so called State with the 'Iimaan'... hence they are honest enuff 2 say de-escalation... and not lie fool and kid themselves with words like re-deployment... lol... fookin' dishonest pagan heathen tribals... ] anti-climax in Kaashmir... it's Gov. rule... read Bhartiya Jenocidal lumpen Party's rule... who just managed 2 git uno seat... ha ha ha!!! Delight as first RSS led morcha managed only uno seat at the hustings in Jammu... even the ignorant can distinguish between good and evil... remove all the landmines layed b4 they de-escalate and they 're-deploy :), all this while more than 7500 crores+2500 crores down the drain... wonder how many million schools and hospitals could git some basic gadgets... books... furniture... any guesses on the amount of moolah spent over K by both these boonch of moonkeyes since 'independence'...

US missile defence test dodges decoys NewScientist.com news service

Explosive 'linked to CIA' By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent Loondon Telegraph

THE SNIPER : – Is Al Qaeda shooting up Washington? Justin Raimondo

Saddam Hussein Can't Blackmail Us With a Fissionable Softball by Robert Higgs lewrockwell.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 433 of 510 )
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American policymakers awash in fantasy By William Pfaff IHT

Painted in colors too stark Patrick J. Buchanan

Sickening strategy By Philip Huang /Daily Emerald

"I'm not sure which planet they live on" : Hawks in the Bush administration may be making deadly miscalculations on Iraq, says Gen. Anthony Zinni, Bush's Middle East envoy.

The burdens of empire /berkshireeagle.com

And Just How Many Countries Have We Attacked? by James Glaser


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 434 of 510 )
Krappy: I would have expected you to be flattered not annoyed. You have taught us that if a few people from a loose community go haywire then the entire community must be exterminated. Your strength of conviction is moving. Now I use the same logic for Sangis and you deride me as a Christian Periar fan.. OK.. no issues but I cant see why you are upset

Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 435 of 510 )
Gandalf:

"You have taught us that if a few people from a loose community go haywire then the entire community must be exterminated. "

As I already pointed out to you, these are not a "few people" from a "loose community". These are the so-called leaders of the community, and I think this is the umpteenth time this fact has been brought to your attention, you brainless turd.

Go read the pronouncements of Syed Shahabuddin, people in the AIMPLB, or any muslim leader with any amount of following, such as Imam Bukari. Even read the articles by "moderate" muslims like mushirul Hasan and Saeed Naqvi. The moderates give good PR to all the muslim community, including the jihadis. these are the same muslim "moderates" who do not have aproblem claiming that hindus are fascists who want to exterminate the whole lot of them.

When the RSS or VHP actually wants to open a dialogue with these muslim "leaders", it is the muslims who refuse to have a dialog because THE MUSLIMS belive that the RSS does not represent hindus. The hindus never make such arrogant statements about muslim groups. Again, the spineless non violence of hindus will get them more humiliation of this sort unless go out wipe out some of the pseudo-secular scum that are intent on causing communal disharmony.


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 436 of 510 )
Gandalf:

"Now I use the same logic for Sangis and you deride me as a Christian Periar fan.. "

Periyar tried to motivate the backward classes by deriding their laziness and incompetence, and I think he succeeded with this strategy to some extent. I do not like his explicit teachings that brahmins were all scum and that all their acheivements were because they oppressed other so-called lower castes. The brahmins have done both, but they are not related to each other. If we are to move forward, we need the help of all the smart and educated Indians as we can, without regard to their caste/religious background (unless you are a muslim jihadi scumbag).


Satnam  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 437 of 510 )
Gandu shitwit,

Frankly you are far too stupid to understand logic and argument. So let us look at EMPIRICAL evidence:

Terrorism of the worst kind in Bali.

Two terrorist attacks in the Philippines.

Eruption of lunacy in Solapur

Attack on US Marines.

All this in past two weeks or so!

Add Chechnya, Kashmir, Assam, all the sectarian violence in Pakiland.

I wonder if you read Sinbadji's analyses on this MB.

Yes, indeed, it is a most peaceloving and tolerant way of belief!!


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 438 of 510 )
Ho Hum.. Empirical evidence :-)

As I said before

Sanghis 2600 raped murdered in Gujarat/ Jehadis 1600 in WTC +200 in Bali + soe 100 all and sundry.

Sanghis originated from society with historical pretentions but incredible sloth and poverty/ jehadis again with historical pretentions and soietal sloth and instability

Jehadis fanatical about a book/ Sanghis fanatical about a concept of nationhood and societal structure..

BOY.. you guys are still neck to neck.


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 439 of 510 )
Gandalf:

"Sanghis 2600 raped murdered in Gujarat."

I can see that you pulled this figure out of your ass because it stinks. The maximum number of deaths in gujarat is less than 1000 (even the most liberal estimate), not that it makes it any more excusable, but it is that you are a lying asshole who thinks that lying about verifiable facts will be a big win for you --- it wont. All that will happen is an erosion of your nonexistent "credibility".

" Jehadis 1600 in WTC +200 in Bali + soe 100 all and sundry."

How about the kashmiri hindus, you anti-hindu motherfucker.

Can you see how you conveniently left out the tens of thousands of Indians dead at paki hands?? You left out Godhra, the killings in Kashmir, in coimbatore, bombay riots, the list is endless. Next time you want someone to support your "secularism", just go to the pakistani forum and ask your fellow compatriots to help you with "the facts". You are a despicable cretin, who is supposed to be the voice of "Secularism and reason". All you are is a congenital moron who is too stupid to tie his shoelaces but seems to have acquired internet access...


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 440 of 510 )
Gandalf:

"Sanghis 2600 raped murdered in Gujarat."

I can see that you pulled this figure out of your ass because it stinks. The maximum number of deaths in gujarat is less than 1000 (even the most liberal estimate), not that it makes it any more excusable, but it is that you are a lying asshole who thinks that lying about verifiable facts will be a big win for you --- it wont. All that will happen is an erosion of your nonexistent "credibility".

" Jehadis 1600 in WTC +200 in Bali + soe 100 all and sundry."

How about the kashmiri hindus, you anti-hindu motherfucker.

Can you see how you conveniently left out the tens of thousands of Indians dead at paki hands?? You left out Godhra, the killings in Kashmir, in coimbatore, bombay riots, the list is endless. Next time you want someone to support your "secularism", just go to the pakistani forum and ask your fellow compatriots to help you with "the facts". You are a despicable cretin, who is supposed to be the voice of "Secularism and reason". All you are is a congenital moron who is too stupid to tie his shoelaces but seems to have acquired internet access...


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 441 of 510 )
One thing is for sure: these pseudo-secular assholes are going to hinder the formation of a truly secular society. They must be removed or kept on a leash if different communities are to work over their differences.

Otherwise, we will have "secular" assholes like gandalf spreading their own version of bigotry as "true seecularism", just like the communists have done for a long time.


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 442 of 510 )
Ok OK Krappy:

Jehadis are inching a head in the rape/murder/cowardice Olympiad. But the indomitable Sanghis will not be left behind. Crying Har Har Mahadev and with star performers like Balls Fuckeray on the base line we are sure to see the scores coming neck to neck.

What was that Sir?.. Oh the Bombay riots.. OK Ok, and the Sanghis are closer than you think.

Amazing moves though in this game. RSS Sanghis have specialized cutting up pregnant women.. and Jehadis with suicide bombers for women and children.. Guys!! this world Series is not to be missed!!


Satnam  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 443 of 510 )
Gandu Fukwit,

Is the full moon having its effect on you?


Satnam  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 444 of 510 )
Gandu Shitwit,

Have you added the 3-4 million Bangla Deshi dead or too many decimal points for your electron size brain?


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 445 of 510 )
Ho Hum:

Have you added the 3-4 million Bangla Deshi dead or too many decimal points for your electron size brain?

You have stumped me here - where are the decimal points in 3-4 million?

Duffer


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 446 of 510 )
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Dancing in the Dark By BOB HERBERT /NYT

Another 'blood for oil' caper : Will reports of terrorist attacks and North Korea's nuclear weapons program cool invade-Iraq talk? /workingforchange.com

U.S. attack leans on shaky legal support : Previous U.N. resolutions on Iraq no blank check for war, experts say By Robert Collier, SF Chronicle Staff Writer

Why stop with Iraq? By Robert I. Rotberg CSM

Iraq: Foreign Policy Malpractice By Jonathan Marshall

War is hell to pay for in recession By Tom Blackburn, Palm Beach Post Editorial Writer

Beyond Right: The Temptations of Empire : Why the ant-war movement should listen to the 'real right's' patriotic arguments against invading Iraq. By Justin Raimondo

Citizens as soldiers, citizens as prey By Robert Jensen /Philadelphia Inquirer

Beyond Left: The Principles of Democracy : Why progressives should reject knee-jerk ideology, and organize along real-politik lines. By Geov Parrish /motherjones

Neither Consent nor Dissent : Bush's uncontested war By Benjamin R. Barber

On Going to War : Moral Reflections on an Impending War By Stephen A. Privett SFGate

Anti-Terrorism: a History of Abuses by ELAINE CASSELL /counterPunch

Lenin to Oriana Fallaci by Alberto Mingardi /lewrockwell

The Empire's soft underbelly : Before Bush plays wargames, he should look at the most recent wargames results By Geov Parrish /workingforchange.com

When elusive becomes mundane By Rooma Mehra in The Sunday Tribune


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 447 of 510 )
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Robert Weitzel: Sanitized war version wrong The Capital Times

9 Days in Iraq by Nathan Mauger

Two Examples of Misinformation on : Iraqi Biological Weapons Production

The war debate THE SHAME OF THE POLITICIANS
SF Chronicle

'The Total Idiots' Guide to War' By Maralyn Lois Polak /WorldNetDaily

Robert Scheer : White House Spins Out on an Axis of Evil : Use trade, aid and tourism against totalitarianism. LA Times

War protests, then and now By Robert Kuttner /Boston Globe

''Against terrorism or expansion of the American Empire?'' By William Blum /YellowTimes.org Guest Columnist

Oops. North Korea has what? By Richard Gwyn /The Star

BALI? BLAME 40 YEARS OF US STATE TERRORISM By JOHN PILGER ON THE WEST'S GRIM ROLE IN INDONESIA'S TURMOIL /The Mirror

Press Clips by Cynthia Cotts : lame It on Al Qaeda : Media Hypes Sniper Conspiracy Theory VillageVoice

Are the Saudis the Enemy? By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF /NYT

Making our voices heard : If enough of us take public stands, we may yet avert going to war with Iraq /workingforchange.com

Iraq war plans distract from needed focus on terrorismUSA Today

vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 448 of 510 )
This is the way a marxist equation works.

1. First decide whom you want to screw. In this case the hindus. Project name 'Normal Hindus are worse than the misguided muslims'

2. Look at how many people islamic terrorists killed. Here there is a catch, because they lose track of the people killed by muslims which runs into millions. And it would require hindus to explode tens of atom bombs to achieve that. So, take the latest well known islamic terror casualty as benchmark. In the present case, 9/11 is the globally accepted benchmark.

3. Make all killings of muslims upto and above this mark seem as a victim of hindu attacks. Presently, Gujarat riots. It does not reach the figure of WTC? No problem, spread canards and lies. And anybody disputing that figure will be counted as part of casualty, sooner or later !!!!

And nobody should dispute this perverted working of the marxists. If you happen to even doubt it, you will find yourself as the target of verbal terrorism of these marxist bastards. You will overnight qualify for the title 'Sanghi, Hindu fanatic, saffron brigade, communalist'

Their logic is 'If you don't want to go to china, we will bring china to you' !!!!


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 449 of 510 )
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Secrets : A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers By Daniel Ellsberg

The Right Peace : Conservatives against a war with Iraq by Christopher Layne

The endless war By Daniel Meltzer/Baltimore /sunspot.net

Bush blows off CIA report that cites higher risks from al Qaeda by David Corn 4 LA Weekly

Antiwar Forces Face a Test : This weekend, demonstrators in Washington and San Francisco will try to build support for the preemption of Bush's preemptive war. By Sarah Ferguson /motherjones.com

An American invitation to deter America By William Pfaff IHT

Bush banks on Pyrrhic victory : If passed, America's tough resolution on Iraq could be so damaging that only al-Qaida may be said to have scored a victory, says Simon Tisdall The Guardian

The forever war By Doug Casey /WorldNetDaily.com

Dare to Tell the Truth BY KNUTE BERGER /seattleweekly.com

< font color="Orange Red">Drum beats in Congress, debate in the hinterlands
Mindy Cameron / Guest columnist @ seattletimes

The portable, moveable Modi : Thoughts of the best packaged chief minister of India By Pamela Philipose

rcb  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 450 of 510 )
Long time since I visited Outlook and posted a message. The International "terror cycle" thread seems to be still going strong! check other posts by RCB -I want to start a thread on the REAL problem with the world today -

gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 451 of 510 )
Thathagat, Check this out:

Weapons of mass salvation by Jeffery Sachs Oct 24th 2002 From The Economist print edition

Brilliant


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 452 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Indeed... thankooo, arigatto, gracias, mercy, daaNkay... [remove "%20" from the URL...]

Terrorist Training, American Style By Heather Wokusch.com

Jeffrey Sachs : Weapons of mass salvation : The Economist

Take the good news cautiously By M.J. Akbar IHT

Return of the DICKS! (Awarding Our Warmongering Leaders) heatherwokusch.com

Not in Our Name International Reports

Jim Henley on War, Peace, Freedom, Fish, More

Richard Goldstein : Neohawks : Leftists Who Love the War Too Much /Village Voice

Too few students debating war By JUDITH SHAPIRO NYdaily News

The Biggest Little Protest Of The War : Do You Have To Be A Sniper To Get Noticed? By David Helvarg /tompaine.com

Branding New and Improved Wars by Norman Solomon MMN

President Bush's box of chocolates /Miami Herald

Sounds fishy, Mr. President : To drum up rage against Iraq, Bush senior and junior have been known to tell tall tales, says gulf war author JOHN MacARTHUR /Globe and Mail

Chicken hawks are hard to miss /pittsburghlive.com

Russian to conclusions by Brendan O'Neill /spiked-online.com

The Costs of Killer Training By Sean Gonsalves, AlterNet


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 453 of 510 )
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Bush's Wars: Anti-Terror or Empire Building? by WILLIAM BLUM @ CounterPunch

6 Words Separate U.S., France on Iraq Language : Optimism Renewed at U.N. on Inspections By Karen DeYoung and Colum Lynch, WP Staff Writers.

Day of Preemptive Protest Appeals to Patriotism By Chad Nagle /anti-war.com

WARMONGERS, LEFT AND RIGHT : Limousine liberals and frothy-mouthed rightists team up against the antiwar movement By Anti-war Raimondo

Scheming to Terrorize Terrorists : Russia's decision to use gas in theater may be a message in itself. By Avigdor Haselkorn /LA Times

Afghans see money value turn to dust : Issued to help stability, the new afghani has crumbled, and the nation's people feel it. By Liz Sly 4 Chicago Tribune foreign correspondent

Doonesbury's daily strip doose

In Defense of Not Voting by PIERRE TRISTAM @ CounterPunch [2 vote is 2 encourage politicians... sayeth Gore Vidal... me agreed with him and never ever voted in me life...]

The media have rewritten the rules on the coverage of so-called terrorism, writes Gwynne Dyer. The Age.com

Memo to the Peace Movement by Andrew M. Manis @ ANTI-WAR.COM

A Guide for the Perplexed: The Major Countries of the World Defined by the Office of Strategic Influence by ANIS SHIVANI @ CounterPunch

Some Nagging Questions by Sheldon Richman 4 Future of Freedom Foundation

Advertising Deregulated: The Inalienable Right to Mislead Millions by CAROL NORRIS @ CounterPunch

From Russia with Gas : The Calmatives Before the Storm by ANTHONY GANCARSKI @ CounterPunch [Poooh_Tin 2... looks loony 2 me... got no regard 4 human life...]

check these 2 @ CounterPunch : Horowitz, Powell and Belafonte by KURT NIMMO, Johnny Muhammad Got His Gun by ANTHONY GANCARSKI, Is America Becoming Fascist? by ANIS SHIVANI, Pappy Bush on Paul Wellstone: "Who Is This Chickenshit?" by WAYNE MADSEN, Christian Coalition Boosts Israel by JO FREEMAN [So the Hindu fascists... all 3 ganging up against Islaam]... "They Beat the Hell Out of Me" : Cops Target Green Politician by STEVEN HIGGS...


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 454 of 510 )
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Bush's Iraq adventure is bound to backfire : Marching into a trap By Youssef M. Ibrahim IHT

Your Lordships, a humble open letter By Pratap Bhanu Mehta SPECIAL TO THE Bhaarat :) EXPRESS

CSM graphic pdf [PDF 572kb]

Conjuring a Muslim monolith : The instrument is the global electronic media By Saeed Naqvi 4 IE

Eye-rack : A Strategic Look in Graphic CS Monitor

Time Graphic

The Dirty And Deadly Secrets Of Khamisiyah : Thursday, 31 October 2002, 4:50 pm :Opinion: Mo Abbas /scoop.co.nz

Bush vs. UN : Insulting the United Nations isn't helping U.S. policy Detroit Free Press

War's aftermath can't be an afterthought By Risa A. Brooks. Chicago Tribune

Vajpayee’s last chance By Praful Bidwai /HT

Holey Religions : Deficiencies, of which there are many, are not limited only to Islam, but exist in every religion, including Hinduism, the way it is practiced. There is no religion without holes, or without scope for improvement. By NAJID HUSSAIN /Outlook


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 455 of 510 )
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Have you seen the rivers of the blood,
First a trickle, then a flood,
First the ocean's pounding roar,
Then a tidal wave hits upon the shore?
Knives and arrows fell like rain,
And the powder burst aflame,
And the flames they flew so high,
Dropped their poison from the sky.
In the shadow of the bygone days,
Millions died in a million ways.
Now the whining of the missile's call,
It's time to rise or it's time to fall.
For now one million bombs are stored,
But they keep building more and more.
And you hear the warning sound,
Don't you know there's time to turn around?

[Repeat 2nd verse; end with repeat of last line.] --Phil Ochs

...In the tradition of Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger, Phil Ochs sang the news of struggle addressing events and issues related to the civil rights, anti-Viet Nam, student, and labor movements. More than just a reporter, however, Ochs was a singer of ideas posing a critique of an entire social order. Unfortunately, as the movements of the 60s lost their momentum and deteriorated, Phil Ochs also lost his way. At the age of 35, disillusioned and depressed, he hanged himself on April 9, 1976.

THE LEGACY OF PHIL OCHS BY SANDY CARTER @ ZMag

I Ain't Marching Anymore By Phil Ochs[Quotes]

REMEMBERING PHIL OCHSSonny Ochs

Phil Ochs AUDIO...Please take a moment to download and listen to these recordings which speak about lynching and the consequences of lynching.

An assortment of subjects from the Sixties 60's


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 456 of 510 )
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Scenarios for Iraq After the Ba'th: a summary by VIJAY PRASHAD @ CounterPunch

UK Police investigate new Israeli Defence Minister over war crimes By Chris McGreal and and Brian Whitaker in Jerusalem and London 4 SMH

Norman’s wisdom By Taki /spectator.co.uk

Turkish election frontrunner faces ban : Political turmoil looms as court threatens to outlaw Islamic party likely to win tomorrow's poll By Owen Bowcott in Ankara 4 The Guardian

So Much for Empires by Taki /amConMag

Global Eye -- Into the Dark By Chris Floyd themoscowtimes.com

'The Hellenic Version of Henry Luce' by Liz Smith

`Soft targets' a new concern By Georgie Anne Geyer, Universal Press Syndicate. /Chicago Tribune


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 457 of 510 )
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Dangers in the draft : This Iraq resolution is wired for war /The Guardian

Europeans fear a bolder Bush : CNN

World braces for 'triumphant' Bush. By Martin Walker /UPI Chief International Correspondent

Bush moves on Saddam after victory By JAMES HALL and ALISON HARDIE scotsman.com

With friends like these : U.S. and Russia cozy up as 'War on Terrorism' sets grisly precedents

Interview-e-Pilger /The Progressive : "Today a taboo has been broken. We are the moderates. Bush and Blair are the extremists. The danger for all of us is not in Baghdad but in Washington." And he applauded the protesters. "Democracy," he told them, "is not one obsessed man using the power of kings to attack another country in our name. Democracy is not siding with Ariel Sharon, a war criminal, in order to crush Palestinians. Democracy is this great event today representing the majority of the people of Great Britain.

The Costs of War By Bill Moyers

Disarmament Diplomacy : US Space Policy: Time to Stop and Think By Theresa Hitchens

The Thrilling Fields : A New York Times reporter confesses that war turns him on. By Christopher Caldwell Slate/msn

The binational option By Meron Benvenisti /Ha'aretz

Not Your Mother's Peace Movement : Major anti-war groups change strategy, hoping to win over mainstream voters the Bush administration can't ignore BY LISA DAVIS /SFWeekly

Election no longer mutes war questions By Jules Witcover /Baltimore Sun

A Skeptic's Halloween : full moon and lunar effects, ghosts, devil etc.

Articles on Proportional Representation System of Voting...


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 458 of 510 )
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A Nuclear Double Standard by Elaine Scarry /CommonDreams.orG

Geriatric Terrorists on Guantanamo by JOANNE MARINER /CounterPunch

Australia to pull plug on protest websites
: Sean Parnell and Matthew Fynes-Clinton /couriermail.news.com.au

Pakistan in uproar as Musharraf blocks Islamist premier By Phil Reeves in Islamabad 4 The Independent

A MANDATE FOR WAR? : Let's hope Bush doesn't delude himself into believing it. By Justin Raimondo

The superpower you know, now there is the superpresident. By Paul Reynolds BBC News Online world affairs correspondent in Washington /Beeb

ABDULLAH TELLS G.I. JOE : HE'S WORN OUT HIS WELCOME By Jim Moore /etherzone.com

New champions of the war cause By Jim Lobe /Asia Times

New CONgress remains strongly pro-Israel By JANINE ZACHARIA /JPost

Tinker, Banker, NeoCon, Spy : Ahmed Chalabi's long and winding road from (and to?) Baghdad By Robert Dreyfuss @ prospect.org

War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning : An Interview With Author Chris Hedges @ tompaine.com 'ear him 2...

Little Mountain, Big Sand... By ROOMA MEHRA 4 ET-Travel/TNN [ THOORSDAIY, OCTOBER 31, 2002 10:46:10 AM ]

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 459 of 510 )
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The Bomb is Back : What can be done about the growing nuclear threat? by Jonathan Schell /sojo.net

Lies, damned lies and ongoing dread By JON CARROLL /sfgate.com

Bush Lies, Media Swallows /The Nation

I Need Provocation Now by Sheldon Richman /fff.org

A deafening silence /frontierpost.com.pk

Pawn Takes Knight by Sheldon Richman /fff.org

Grappling with Ataturk's legacy By Richard O'Mara /Baltimore Sun

War Cries: Weapons of Mass Distraction ... Or Something Worse? by BRIAN J. FOLEY /CounterPunch

Interview with Iraqi artist Mohammed Ghani - Democracy NOW Yahoo News Portal

Robert Fisk: George Bush crosses Rubicon - but what lies beyond? /The Independent

You Can Call Me Al Qaeda By Sara Rimensnyder /ReasonOnline

EDITORIAL LA Times : Chokehold on Knowledge

Weapons for the 'New American Century'They find you, they blind you and they cook your skin

When their gods failed them : Social justice has provided the strongest impulse for religious conversion among the most oppressed, the Dalits, writes Neena Vyas.

The politics of our times By Neera Chandhoke /The Hindu "Parties and political formations are more concerned about the perks that power brings with it, than the larger issues of the polity.

IF SOMEONE were to ask what we as ordinary Indians have got out of the three years of the coalition headed by the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, the answer would be: precious little. It is amazing how political parties come and political parties go, but the face of Indian politics remains the same — insensitive, unresponsive and unaccountable."


vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 460 of 510 )
'Saudi Arabia financed Pak's nuke programme'

http://www.newindpress.com/News items.asp?ID=IEL20021110023835&Page=L&Title=B+R+E+ A+K+I+N+G++++N+E+W+S&rLink=-100


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 461 of 510 )
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Iraqass : The Movie / markfiore.com animation

Zones hinder free speech : The president's supporters and detractors have an equal right to stand at the same site, at the same time, and tell him what they think. © St. Petersburg Times A Times Editorial

Tolerating Protest Is The Downside To Being President By DANIEL RUTH tampatrib.com

Dollars yielded unanimous vote: Resolution against Iraq By Thalif Deen /The Dawn

Politics threaten conservation talks : The world's most endangered species are at stake By Peter Greste BBC correspondent in Santiago

'Bush's Iraq plans: Reincarnation of failed 1930s British policy' /yellowtimes.org

Remote Control War A Deadly Game by Caroline Arnold /commondreams.org

AFTER SADDAM : Iraq: We Win. Then What? By Bill Powell /fortune.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 462 of 510 )
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War Is A Racket By Major General Smedley Butler /ratical.org

"Isolationism," Left and Right14 War and Foreign Policy :

We Should Shun Assassinations By Charley Reese

Robert Fisk: Bush fights for another clean shot in his warThe independent

Why Russia isn't looking for peace
Sunday Herald

OP-ED: False alarms and early warning systems By M V Ramana /dailytimes.com.pk

Sovereignty takes a contract hit By Jim Lobe /Asia Times

War plays into hands of Islamic terrorists By Fawaz A. Gerges

Oh, What a Lovely War. If No One Dies. By WILLIAM J. BROAD /NYT

Of fences and crossings : Israel intends to sow a trail of destruction through Falamia's best farmland. Jonathan Cook reports on the plight of olive farmers in the West Bank village

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 463 of 510 )
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OP-ED: False alarms and early warning systems By M V Ramana /dailytimes.com.pk

Sovereignty takes a contract hit By Jim Lobe /Asia Times..

War plays into hands of Islamic terrorists By Fawaz A. Gerges


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 464 of 510 )
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Oh, What a Lovely War. If No One Dies. By WILLIAM J. BROAD /NYT

Of fences and crossings : Israel intends to sow a trail of destruction through Falamia's best farmland. Jonathan Cook reports on the plight of olive farmers in the West Bank village


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 465 of 510 )
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Almost half of Britons believe Blair is Bush's 'lapdog'
New Media Finds Its Place in the New World Order : War Games by Ed HalterVillage Voice
The black hole of Europe : Andrew Sutton on the miseries, corruption and human-rights abuses in Kosovo, the UN’s first-ever protectorate /The Spectator

Powell leads 'realist' counterattack By Jim Lobe /Asia Times

Russia and the Wages of Terror By ANNA POLITKOVSKAYA /NYT

Too-Real Demo of Iraq Gear FROM STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS /NYNewsday

You Are a Suspect By WILLIAM SAFIRE /NYT

Tape triggers US panic buttonsSMH

War plan calls for air strikes By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Bombing dual-use targets? By SEAN GONSALVES /capecodonline.com

It's him: bin Laden tapes 'authentic'News.com.au

Iraq war 'could kill 500,000' /newscientist.com


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 466 of 510 )
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=stor y_7-11-2002_pg3_2

This is funny, one of the anal sex partners of Kuldip Nayyar and Praful Bidwai writes an anti-India article in a pakistani paper. To this cretin tathagat, this asshole Ramana has something deep to say. ROTFL.


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 467 of 510 )
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?sid=1&fname=O pinion&fodname=20011001

You pseudo-secular shitheads should read this article by one of your own pseudo-secular crowd...actually the prince regent of pakistani bootlicking, Vinod Mehta. (The King of all pakistani bootlickers is Shekar Gupta)

In this article, Vinod Mehta prevaricates on the WTC bombing and justifies it indirectly by laying the blame on US involvement in the middle east. This bootlicker Vinod Mehta DARES TO NOT SAY SO EXPLICITLY because he will lose all his white acquaintances who are not "peacenik" shitheads.


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 468 of 510 )
This publicity-seeking whore Arundhati Roy wants to release a man who colluded with the terrorists who attacked the parliament, and WANTS TO THROW THE POLICEMEN IN PRISON. Does that whore A. Roy live in a bizarro, topsy-turvy world or what. What is going to be next on her list of things to do? Throw all policemen in prison, and make the terrorists hold positions of power....wait a minute, that is exactly what the congress is doing with the PDP in Kashmir.

Here is the actual quote of the publicity whore and traitor Arundhati Roy:

She was five or six months pregnant, her condition was horrifying. It took me 45 minutes to get her to speak. I asked her if she had a lawyer. All she managed to say was: 'Mere paas towliaya nahin hai' ('I don't have a towel')," Roy said.

The writer-activist said she is convinced that Geelani has been framed. "The people who framed him are the real terrorists. We need to come out in defence of Dr Geelani not only till he is acquitted, but will have to see that the policemen who booked him are punished too. We need to win for the sake of democracy and civil liberties...at least once, at least one case," she said.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 469 of 510 )
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And Then Our Peace Will Come by Damond O'Connor /anti-war.com

Editorial note: The author's Mom sent us this poem by her 8th grader son. It's not only good poetry, it's also an indication of the youthful mindset as we contemplate the prospect of perpetual war.

To ease tension, focus on trade rather than Kashmir By Selig S. Harrison /IHT

Ecumenical Intolerance : The sin of extremism is neither common to all Muslims nor limited to Islam. By Cathy Young /reasononline

The new enemies list: He taunts us still By MARGARET WENTE /theglobeandmail.com

Tell the truth about U.S. assassination policy By Robert Schroeder /BaltimoreSun

AFGHANISTAN: Not a colonyJacksonville.com

The War Party Gets Organized By Jim Lobe, AlterNet

Ashcroft's Law West -- and East -- of the Pecos LA Times

Robert Fisk: Bin Laden is alive. There can be no doubt about it. But the questions remain: where on earth is he, and why has he resurfaced now?

Belgrade: Iraq Through A Balkan Lens Past U.S. Efforts Shed Doubt On Post-War Rebuilding Of Iraq

The Herky-Jerky Approach By E. J. Dionne Jr.

The War on Academic Freedom by Kristine McNeil

Let 'The Quiet American' Speak By Brett Dakin /WP


sinbad  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 470 of 510 )
Karapallji,

Sooner or later the US will be constrained to take more vigorous action against Talibani terrorists and their allies.

I predict the secular, patriotic Muslims in India will break out in the streets au mass causing arson and violence a la the Sholapur incidence.

Will our pimps and whores protest against that. Fat chance.They will blame the Sanghis and US for this likely display of bigotry and intolerance.


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 471 of 510 )
sinbad:

"They will blame the Sanghis and US for this likely display of bigotry and intolerance. "

You got that right, sinbadji.

As an aside, notice this fool tathagat who is not posting articles about the "presence of extremism" in all religions. This marxist turd would like us to believe that hindu extremists go around killing strapping bombs to themselves in the name of saving islam. We all know that all religious terrorists are muslim terrorists. Period. This marxist shithead would like to sit on the fence so that his party can milk the muslim vote bank. Politics In India has to be some of the most despicable in any democracy.


vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 472 of 510 )
Tathagat eulogising Islam is a classic case of 'dhimmitude'.

The victim (buddhist) becomes mentally conditioned to respect and worship his aggressor (Islam).


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 473 of 510 )
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THE SAVAGE WARS OF PEACE:Small Wars and the Rise of American Power

Stumbling Blindly Into War By Frida Berrigan, World Policy Institute /fpif.org
The Chicken Hawks' WarVietnam Draft-Dodgers Are The Force Behind An Iraqi Invasion /tompaine.com

The new post-imperial imperialism By RICK SALUTIN /The Globe and Mail

US gov's 'ultimate database' run by a felon By Thomas C Greene in Washington /theregister.co.uk

Before the Shooting Starts by George Hunsinger /antiwar.com

Revenge of a Child by Uri Avnery /mediamonitors.net

A Dangerous Form of Altruism by Pat Buchanan /ame.conservativeMag

Iraqi army is tougher than US believes : The US claims a war against Saddam would be quick. Wrong, says analyst Toby Dodge, the conflict could be long and bloody /The Guardian

The Cost of Israel to U.S. Taxpayers: True Lies About U.S. Aid to Israel By Richard H. Curtiss /Friends of Liberty.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 474 of 510 )
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LIBERAL IMPERIALISM : War and the soul of American liberalism /antiwar.com
Poindexter's Laboratory : The know-it-all plan to fight terrorism By Jacob Sullum /reasononline

Jiang's Theory Is a Smokescreen By Sascha Matuszak /antiwar.com

Apocalypse Soon by Ann Pettifer /mediamonitors.net

A North Korea-Pakistan Connection? Praful Bidwai @ anti-war.com

U.S. headed for largest defense budget hike since Reagan buildup SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM

Senate passes $3.3 billion aid, peacekeeping package for Afghanistan /The Associated Press

Warning that war could plunge world into deep recession : Cost of toppling Saddam Hussein may run into hundreds of billions of dollars and this time America will have to foot the bill itself By Andrew Gumbel /The Independent

Split emerges over what triggers war By Maggie Farley in New York 4 /LA Times/SMH

The Secret History of How the United States Illegally Armed Iraq
- [RealAudio]

Iraq: The Economic Consequences of War By William D. Nordhaus /The New York Review of Books

The Next War /New Yorker

Between the Lines of an Iraqi Letter By VERLYN KLINKENBORG /NYT

Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 475 of 510 )
Note this shithead quoting articles from antiwar and other leftist septic tanks -- I wont call them "think tanks" because there is very little thought going on in the drug-addled brains of these leftist shitheads.

for example, antiwar.com is all shit with our favorite marxist, anti-India shithead Praful Bidwai, doing his rounds writing anti-India lies and slander on a regular basis. If you see an article from antiwar.com, you can take it for granted that the author is a pseudo-secular, politcally correct marxist motherfucker.


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 476 of 510 )
'gat, These links are great but the people who matter do not come to this board.

Why dont you create a site on geocities and have a copy of these links there.

Secondly, I believe the Americans are aware of the evil that is the Sangh. To do that we need to have a compedium of the doubles speak, modus operadi and principles of this movement. We also need to show how well camoflaged it is. Lastly, we need to make the American Public understand the prescence of the Hindutva Fifth Column in the US, their funding and the fact that they dont represent India.


vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 477 of 510 )
Now money is gonna flow real good into IDRF!

These more these fuckers call sanghis as terrorists, the more the membership of RSS, VHP and BD is increasing. And the more these fuckers publish about IDRF et al, the more the money is gonna flow in.

Keep it up folks! looks like you are the real patriots !! Sorry, for calling you names.

Viva! Gandalf for sangh pracharak!


vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 478 of 510 )
"....we need to make the American Public understand the prescence of the Hindutva Fifth Column in the US, their funding and the fact that they dont represent India."

Try fucker, after all a sinking man tries everything to survive.

And who 'represents' India? Traitorous marxist whores like Teesta Setalvad and the pimp Vijay prashad, I suppose? Fucker, wake up and realise, you commies are finished. You commies have lost. Gone. Kaput. Finito. Khallas. Poye pochi. Poyindi. Ellam Poyi. Hoge hoyithu.

Now fall at our feet and beg forgiveness for all the sins you and your ilk committed over the last 5 decades if you want to continue breathing.


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 479 of 510 )
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=98905< br>
Note this "concerned citizens tribunal" raking up charges of genocide again. My question, who the fuck are the decrepit senile motherfuckers in the "concerned citizens tribunal" and who gave them authority to conduct an inquiry?? If they have no authority, then what is the intention of the prime paki-lover Vinod MEhta and his marxist, pseudo-secular cabal in releasing the report of this "inquiry". Will any of these shitheads accept an "unofficial inquiry" on Godhra by Pravin Togadia and his merry men??


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 480 of 510 )
Gandalf:

"Lastly, we need to make the American Public understand the prescence of the Hindutva Fifth Column in the US, their funding and the fact that they dont represent India."

I see, the nationalists dont represent India, but a seccessionist like you does?? Fantastic logic, you LTTE-loving terrorist fuck.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 481 of 510 )
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Blix bears brunt of hawks'frustration : Right finds new target after losing argument to fight swift war on Iraq By Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington 4 The Guardian

WAR PARTY STALLED : UN route buys time for anti-war movement

PR Spinning the Bush War on Iraq by Kurt Nimmo /counterpunch.org

'Crackpot Realism' Again? CONTENDING SCHOOLS

The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq: PR Spinning the Bush Doctrine by KURT NIMMO /CounterPunch

Get Organized Against War By Boris Kagarlitsky /the MosCowtimes.com

Jonah, We Hardly Knew Ye! By Paul Gottfried /VDare.com

Living with war, a losing battle /nydailynews.com

why we are @ war: comic strip /salon.com

Why Bush Wants to Destroy Saddam: Two Fake Reasons; Three Real Ones by BILL CHRISTISON FORMER CIA POLITICAL ANALYST /CounterPunch

What did Dubya do in the war, daddy? By LINDA MCQUAIG 4 The Star

US should wake up and use Al-Jazeera By Mohammed el-Nawawy /CSM

Americans need truth before starting a war By G. Jefferson Price III Perspective Editor /Baltimore Sun

A Snooper's Dream /nyt

Taking Bush to Task on ABM -- And to Court By Matt Bivens /themoscowtimes.com

We love you, Afghanistan! : Marilyn Manson, eat your heart out: Bushapalooza leaves Kabul in rubble and heads for Baghdad


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 482 of 510 )
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When Bush and Ashcroft Promise to Uphold Rights, Beware By Earl Ofari Hutchinson, AlterNet

Words Of War & Fears Of Disaster : A Vietnam Veteran searches for America and finds only the logic of war threatening to replay an American horror of yesterday. By Kevin Bowen /interventionmag.com

A war that can't be won : The west isn't just losing the fight against terrorism - it is fuelling it across the globe By Seumas Milne /The Guardian

The Embarrassment and Illegality of the No-Fly Zones by Jacob G. Hornberger /fff.org

Conspiracy of silence? By Arnaud de Borchgrave /Washington Times

Missiles R Us takes on the world : The US is going global with its 'son of star wars' programme By Simon Tisdall /The Guardian

World's Policeman or Bully? by ROBERT JENSEN /CounterPunch

Feeding off our fears by Brendan O'Neill /spiked-online.com

The Man From Auntie by Jeff Elkins

Memo on the Margin : To: Website Readers, From: Gordon Prather, Guest Column : Re: Saddam vs. bin Laden

Kinks in plan for Iraq not in news By Fahad Bishara Daily Trojan

Battle of the old Middle East hands By Jim Lobe in Asia Times


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 483 of 510 )
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Prepare for an Urban Nightmare War against Iraq could lead to a heavy toll both there and here. By James P. Pinkerton, in LA Times

Outside Chance For Peace : Charley Reese

The Bush Administration's Radical Bellicosity By Joyce Appleby /HNN

The Downside of Foreign Military Intervention
By James P. Pinkerton

Someone to watch over me : Watch out - extra government powers granted as security measures have a nasty habit of sticking around By Ian Buruma /The Guardian

''A U.S. military governor for Iraq?'' By Firas Al-Atraqchi 4 ellowTimes.org Guest Columnist (Canada)

Pelosi's First Dive /The Nation

DALE McFEATTERS: The White House goes soft on Israel [what's new... 10 million US kikes actual owners/leaders O the globe...]

Another way : There are real, progressive alternatives to U.S. policy in the Middle East. By Stephen Zunes /sfbg.com

The Lessons of History by Gene Callahan /lewrockwell.com

Dare call it an empire : Unilateral doesn't mean 'bravely going it alone' -- it means 'world domination' /workin4change

Peace talks :How to convince your conservative relatives to oppose the invasion. By Lynn Rapoport sfbg.com

Osama is back, and no one gives a damn? : When 'dead or alive' means 'alive, dead... whatever' By Molly Ivins /Creators Syndicate

Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 484 of 510 )
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Bombs, what are they good for? Absolutely nothing : Destroying all weapons of mass destruction would be a decisive move in the fight against terrorism, writes Paul Keating. /SMH

Who's watching the watchers? By Derrick Z. Jackson /Boston Globe

Home truths : Advani deserves the nation’s gratitude for showing the fringe elements their place : IE Edit [thousand years on children are still told vaalmicky was a dacoit... bad achchha badnaam/bad name bura... ha ha ha! welcoming such statements from such bad man is 2 give him legitimacy...

The hidden costs of war By David Isenberg /Asia Times

Bush's Gift to Putin By Masha Lipman /WP

An attack on Iraq makes no business sense : In a corporation, when we consider embarking on a large venture that promises to have a significant price tag, we typically prepare an in-depth business case. The business case needs to show that the expected benefit from the undertaking will be greater than the cost. Otherwise, the idea usually isn’t approved.

'An Irresponsible Exercise in Political Chicanery' By Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-WV)

Courts no longer protect rights By Jon Dougherty /WorldNetDaily

What does Bush fear? : The war against an open society continues /bostonphoenix.com

Welcome to the American Gestapo By DOUG THOMPSON /capitolhillblue.com

Bush's strategy digs U.S. into a bottomless hole : Not our job to prevent the proliferation of weapons of terror By Steve Chapman /chicagotribune.com

LOST TREASURE: AMERICA : WAR, RECESSION, AND GLOBAL EMPIRE BUILDING By Dave Franklin /etherzone.com

The Prague racket : Nato is now a device to exert control and extract cash. Those who resist, like Belarus, are punished By John Laughland /The Guardian

Freedoms at 'core' of nation By LAURIE LOISEL, Staff Writer /gazettenet.com

Even a bigger NATO won't stop terrorism By William Pfaff IHT


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 485 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Hawks, Hayek and Hubris by Lee McCracken / strike-the-root.com

Sharing 'gifts' from Allah? Not to worry By James Gordon Prather / WorldNetDaily.com

Nat Hentoff : Resistance Rising! : True Patriots Networking /VV

America's Intelligence System: Part III – : Political Chemotherapy For This Growing Cancer by Jim Grichar / lewrockwell.com

The new, united Europe asserts its independence By ERIC MARGOLIS

Scary times in the USA by Molly Ivins /thedailycamera.com

Developing the capability to build dossiers on all Americans By DOUG THOMPSON / capitolhillblue.com

Norman Solomon : Unilateral Power - By Any Other Name / mediamonitors.net

Targeting terrorism . . . or privacy? / Washington Times

Before US reorders the world, sober thinking on costs By Thomas P. Thornton / CSM

The price of action : Voters are unprepared for real cost of war / The Guardian The Military's New War of Words By William M. Arkin / LA Times

The Oval Office Liars’ Club By Robert Higgs /independent.org

The Price of Paranoia : The Myriad Costs of Homeland Security by Christopher Deliso in Skopje

Embracing Big Brother By William Raspberry / WP

We should preserve freedom from terror, not sacrifice it more / gainesvilletimes.com

The Aim: Victory by Uri Avnery /mediamonitors.net

< b>Western conceit of nation-building ignores culture and history of Arabia
By Jonathan Raban : Special to The Seatle Times

gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 486 of 510 )
"You commies have lost. Gone. Kaput. Finito. Khallas. Poye pochi. Poyindi. Ellam Poyi. Hoge hoyithu.

Now fall at our feet and beg forgiveness for all the sins you and your ilk committed over the last 5 decades if you want to continue breathing. "

:-), Ohm Shuklam endekunnae than vayil!, I have comitted sins but I am a bit confused as to why I should ask you for anything?

And you compedium of 'endings' is about the only interesting thing you have posted in months. Bravo!


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 487 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
MEANING OF THE WORD “HINDU”

ENDURING FREEDOM: One year on Fear of a neverending war By Jim Lobe / Asia Times

Cool War: Economic sanctions as a weapon of mass destruction By Joy Gordon 4 Harper's Magazine

Not so strange bedfellows / USA Today

The path to war with Iraq is paved with questionable intentions By Clarence Page / Chicago Tribune

The Invisible Death of Iain Hook by Ira Chernus / commondreams.org

Troops occupy Congress ... By Stephen Blank / Asia Times

Secrecy: the nation's favored fraud: EDITORIAL VOICES By PIERRE TRISTAM / news-journalonline.com

Civil liberties on hold lately by Kevin McAbee / dailylobo.com


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 488 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
Our Good Friend President Bush (Who Is Not A Moron) / liberalslant.com

Bush may be 'moron': stupidity experts : A high-ranking federal official may be correct in her assessment of the US president

WAR PARTY DUMPS BUSH? : Newsweek's anti-Saudi conspiracy theory is a shot across the bow by Raimondo

The media, war and Iraq : Six ways the next Gulf conflict will be covered differently from ’91 By Howard Mortman / MSNBC

...anti-war movement is developing in the United States. / pbs.org

Outside View: Bush's perilous NATO pledge By Ted Galen Carpenter / A UPI Outside View commentary

In the hands of the three witches : There will be only one winner of an Iraqi war - Osama bin Laden By George Galloway / The Guardian

Should the BJP tell its supporters to forget Ayodhya/Godhra? click : ah! You are in: Talking Point de Beeb

Epic Crimes and Hindutwa by I.K.Shukla / mnet.fr

Sawarkar's Hindutwa And Ambedkarism By Dr. K. Jamanadas / ambedkar.org

Pandit Vajpayee's belief Akhand Bharat / dalitstan.org


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 489 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
2 apparent attacks against Israelis : Reports: Bombing at Kenya hotel, missile fired at plane MSNBC/ASSOCIATED PRESS

Iraq admits plan to use chemical weapons By Richard Beeston, Diplomatic Editor / TimesOnlineUK

No sum could fund president's ambition By Steve Chapman / Baltimore Sun

U.N. restricts inspectors' use of intelligence reports By John Diamond and Bill Nichols, USA TODAY

Thinking with a Manichaean bent By William Pfaff 4 IHT

Israel's 14B war tab
: Seeks U.S. aid before Iraq attack By KENNETH R. BAZINET / NY DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU / NYdailynews

Iraq wants press at inspections — UN doesn't : Inspectors say reporters will make it difficult to do 'professional job' By BASSEM MROUE / ASSOCIATED PRESS

Germany Gives U.S. Overflight Rights By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS / NYT

You’re Ariel Sharon, and Life is Good : "Your accountants are preparing a $10 billion shakedown of the American taxpayers. It supposed to be a loan guarantee, but we both know, Israel never repays .." By William Hughes / palestinechronicle.com

Total Information Awareness, DARPA, the Free Speech Movement Revisited, Hitchens in Berkeley, Was Merle a Maoist? by ALEXANDER COCKBURN / Counter Punch

vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 490 of 510 )
"I have comitted sins but I am a bit confused as to why I should ask you for anything?"

Or better still - walk up to the nearest church and bow down before a white gowned gentleman there and ask him to expiate your sins.

Oh father in heaven, please forgive all the grave sins that this son of yours blah blah ......, some water sprinkled on your head and AMEN! There you are free of all your sins! Go on another spree of sinning and plan another visit to the church next sunday!

AMEN!


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 491 of 510 )
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=1 7236

The congress party leader Antonia Maino goes to lecture in England in a organization sponsored by Bin Laden's brother. All you vHP/RSS folks must spread the word about what this italian whore is upto, hobnobbing with Bin Laden's family. She is giving the lecture on November 30th.

Note how the congress ass-lickers in the Indian Express seem to think that it is WRONG (!!) for the BJP to have reservations about the leader of the opposition hobnobbing with the family of the premier terrorist in the world. USE PR EFFECTIVELY. SPREAD THIS WORD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, FOR MAXIMUM EFFECT. slander this whore in much the same way she has slandered all hindus with her anti-hindu bigotry.


vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 492 of 510 )
Antonia Maino, the smuggler who smuggles antiques and hindu idols from south indian temples to her antique shop in Italy is going to rub shoulders (among other things!) with the family that heads the international mafia of terrorism, the Al Qaeeda !!!

And guess what is the name of her shop that peddles the stuff that she smuggles out of India? The shop is named GANPATI !!!

Good match I should say - smuggler antonia maino and the mafia bin ladens!!

And the fact that antonia maino is a smuggler gets expunged from the Lok Sabha proceedings due to the din created by her goons in congress (mani shanker iyer, dasmunshi et al.)


vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 493 of 510 )
"Uproar in LS over remarks against Sonia" http://www.newsonweb.com/chennaionline/newsitem.as p?NEWSID={3428EFB0-DB79-461F-B130-E91B227BE423}&CA TEGORYNAME=PARL

New Delhi, Nov 27: The Lok Sabha today witnessed uproarious scenes with Congress members strongly protesting allegations by a Samata Party member that Leader of Opposition Sonia Gandhi was involved in smuggling of antiques to Italy, forcing Speaker Manohar Joshi to adjourn the House for lunch.

Raising the issue during zero hour, Prabhunath Singh (Samata), quoting a November 21 newspaper report, alleged that Sonia had been involved in smuggling of antiques.

As Singh sought to mention the matter, Congress members were on their feet raising a loud protest and demanding that Samata Party member’s remarks be expunged from the record.

RJD leader Raghuvansh Prasad Singh also joined the Congress protest, threatening to move into the well.

In the din, Congress chief whip P R Dasmunshi was heard saying the Samata Party was levelling such charges against Sonia as its president (Jaya Jaitly) had to resign following the Tehelka expose into allegations of corruption in Defence deals.

Deputy Congress leader Shivraj Patil stood up to speak but Joshi adjourned the House for the lunch recess. After the House adjourned, Dasmunshi said the charges against Sonia were “frivolous and unsubstantiated”.


vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 494 of 510 )
And observe that none of the goons ever mentioned about the court case pending against antonia maino for smuggling antiques. And also the fact that this bitch NEVER attends any hearing of this case. She is hoping it will go the bofors way.

It will go the bofors way alright, after she is bumped off by someone like her mother in law and her hubby was done in.

And also observe that NONE of the mainstream english newspapers or websites carry this reference to her smuggling activities in Lok Sabha. You will find it only in a vernacular media or lesser known media sources. While the mainstream english media does not mind even publishing the brief size of Togadia!!! So much for the 'objectivity' of our 'secular' english media!!


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 495 of 510 )
Look at the completely rowdy and unruly behavior of the congress shitheads. these congresswallah bastards have made a mockery of the Indian parliament for a long time now. These shits in the congress do not have the brains to defend their view or the brains to attack the logic of their opponents. So what do they do?? spit and run. If that does not work, and if the shenanigans of their Italian boss are exposed, they immediately drop their pajamas, throw their nike shoes and otherwise have excellent non verbal repartees such as "storming out of the well of the house". Is it any wonder that nothing gets done?? What is even more puzzling is that the pseudo-secular shits in the media do not seem to find any of this wrong, but they find the killing of two Lashkar terrorists in broad daylight "a crime against humanity". What do you say to these congressi assholes?

Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 496 of 510 )
vikram:

"And observe that none of the goons ever mentioned about the court case pending against antonia maino for smuggling antiques. "

Observe that a paper which had the bogus "pump scam expose" has no time for REAL exposes that point out to this woman indulging in stealing and selling stolen property that is part of our national heritage. Dont forget to make up stories on all the idols she has stolen. Just create so much disinformation against this whore, her family, and her asslickers that they have to spend all their time defending themselves.


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 497 of 510 )
I am talking about all the pseudo-secular, pro-congress, anti-hindu rags such as Outlook, Indian Express, The Hindu, and Hindustan Times (which should be renamed Pakistan times, if we were to name it according to its contents).

vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 498 of 510 )
Well, Antonia maino ganging up with Harkishen Surjeet, Kuldip Nayar and the usual bunch of secular goons to approach the NHRC to investigate the killing of two laskhar terrorists fits in very well with her plans to rub shoulders and everything else with the bin laden family!

She must have got orders from the head of the bin laden family to protect islamic terrorists with more zeal henceforth!

And the dogs and bitches wag their stuff to please the master that pats them on their back and feeds them!!


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 499 of 510 )
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=1 7234

Now, the truth about the jhajjar lynchings is out. The dalits were attacked by other dalits, according to the SC/ST commission. Didn't we hear all the pseudo-secular motherfucers on this forum and in the English Media, including the despicable shit Mahesh Bhatt blame the VHP for these lyncings?? Now that the real culprits have been found, will there be a correction?? No, the shit is MEANT to stick on the VHP. Unless the hindus start vicious and arbitrary slander against these pseudo-secular shits, they cannot counter this psychological warfare of these pseudo-secular, anti-hindu, pro-congress motherfuckers.


vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 500 of 510 )
Talking about 'The Hindu' (which is an oxymoron for it is a totally anti-hindu paper), I found an exciting article:

"Bengal Cong. leaders have ISI links: CPI(M)"

URL: http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/11/21/stor ies/2002112103341200.htm

West Bengal's ruling CPI(M) has alleged that a section of the Congress in Murshidabad district has close links with suspected ISI agents who were picked up in Kolkata on Sunday.

The CPI(M) daily, Ganasakti, today front-paged a report which said the Jalangi Youth Congress president, Samsuzzaman Biswas, alias Happy, had links with the suspected ISI agents and was absconding.

On Sunday, nine Bangladeshis, two of them suspected ISI agents, were arrested from the New Market area in central Kolkata. At least four persons, including a woman, were picked up from Murshidabad for allegedly supplying information relating to the Army to Pakistani intelligence.

The CPI( M) has claimed that certain Congress leaders in districts, such as Ziauddin Biswas, had close links with the arrested persons. The CPI(M) has also accused him of running unlawful business activities.

His son, Happy, too, was a participant in such activities, it said. Officers from the State and Army intelligence have reached Murshidabad to interrogate the arrested persons.

The report also alleged that Afazuddin Biswas, Congress leader from Bidhupur, in Murshidabad, had close links with the arrested persons and he, too, was absconding.

Significantly, this is the first time ``Al Qaida-trained terrorists'' have been picked up from the heart of the city. Terrorists had so far been operating from Kolkata's eastern fringes.

Liaquat Hussain Liaquat and Arman Khan had taken shelter in Garia Gardens in south Kolkata, a part of the city terrorists had avoided so far.

The Home Ministry had informed the West Bengal Government some time ago that members of the Al Qaida, which had created its operational base in the neighbouring Bangladesh, were crossing over to the State to conduct subversive activities.

Meanwhile, police are looking for Jayanta Gupta, who had allegedly provided shelter to Liaquat and Arman.


vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 501 of 510 )
"http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid= 1 7234"

Yeah, went thru' it and have posted it in the board 'Lynching of Dalits'

Of couse our 'secular' buddies will say that this SC/ST commission is a sanghi outfit!!!


vikram99  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 502 of 510 )
This is getting more ordinary stuff nowadays!!!

"CPI-ML faction to honour kin of 1000 Naxalites"

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/ nov/15naxal.htm

Several prominent social activists, environmentalists, and writers-turned-activists like Mahashweta Devi, Arundhati Roy, Sandeep Pandey, Rajinder Sachar, Praful Bidwai, and Anand Patwardhan will attend the opening session of the congress.

Note that all the hindu bashers and commie whores and bastards are promptly present for this 'benign' function!!!


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 503 of 510 )
vikram99:

"Of couse our 'secular' buddies will say that this SC/ST commission is a sanghi outfit!!! "

Clearly! otherwise they would have correctly blamed the favorite pseudo-secularist bugbear: the VHP and the RSS.


Tathagat  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 504 of 510 )
appa DeepO bhava
... hey no lip Jetlii keTlii... noo spin... but it's gonna backfire 2... it will be positive publicity 4 Sonia's Oxford address... Bin Laden family has put in loadz of money in Harvard as well but no one mentioned it @ NDTV's NewsHour discussion...

Sanghii bhangii goin' berserk again outta envy... 4 this ooogly disgusting rustic dehaatii chaddies not possible there... unimaginable there... a khaaQii halfpant @ Oxford ... ha ha ha!!!


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 505 of 510 )
Look at this macaulayite shit tathagat. Just because he posted some shitty left wing links on forums, as a testament to this "well-readedness".

The reason why "no one mentioned Bin laden helping harvard" is irrelevant, you marxist cretin, because Sonia Gandhi is going to oxford.

-------------------------- it will be positive publicity 4 Sonia's Oxford address... Bin Laden family has put in loadz of money in Harvard as well but no one mentioned it @ NDTV's NewsHour discussion...


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 506 of 510 )
Read the following to see how macaulayite and slavish this wannabe white piece of marxist shit tathagat is. apparently, people who wear shorts and help rural villagers are not worthy of going to oxford like this asshole.

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... 4 this ooogly disgusting rustic dehaatii chaddies not possible there... unimaginable there... a khaaQii halfpant @ Oxford ..


Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 507 of 510 )
tathagat:

"Sanghii bhangii goin' berserk again outta envy..."

The funniest part is that you, as a marxist shit, do not even recognize that Indians dont really want to be on the same side a Bin Laden, even though the congresswallahs and their italian leader Antonia Maino want to be in the good books of Bin Laden to pacify their jihadi muslim vote bank in India.

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Karapall  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 508 of 510 )
This bastard Mufti Sayeed wants to stop the crucial SOG police force by putting them under the control of the local police, i.e., himself. This bastard wants to completely stop all anti-terrorist operations in Kashmir, so that pakistan can recreate its setup in Kashmir, which they are waiting to do.

"On disbanding of the controversial Special Operations Group (SOG), he said "it was being felt that by assisting in the nabbing of one militant, they were creating 10 terrorists."

SOG's assimilation with the police force would enable the surrendered militants to get better perks and service conditions, vital for their discipline


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 509 of 510 )
"USE PR EFFECTIVELY. SPREAD THIS WORD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, FOR MAXIMUM EFFECT. slander this whore"

Desperate attempt by facist pipsqueaks. This is the same podium where Nelson Mandella, Prince Charles etc spoke. I know the Sanghi mentality is driven by a latent fear, but this is really bizzare :-)


gandalf  9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM  ( 510 of 510 )
"a khaaQii halfpant @ Oxford ... ha ha ha!!!" :-))))))

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