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The Terror Cycle Free Speech Host 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM Reality is worse than any Hollywood blockbuster or a doomsday thriller. And as was bound to happen, the cry for reprisals and revenge are assuming a deafening roar against an unknown enemy. The needle of suspicion at Osama bin Laden and Islamic fundamentalist organisation is predictable. Whodunit? Who would pay the price? The possibilities and consequences are chillingly scary. Your take on what ought to be done... Full Coverage |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 1 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava whodunit? and eemriikkaa could retaliate with the nukes... what if imrreeka nuke AfgHaanistaaN, if Osama behind it...???!!!!!!!!! |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 2 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava tathagat abhors violence... and have said enuff on these pages... The chosen people of god... however love it... Barak on Beeb, kissenger from Germany, Shimon Peres, the phorain minister on Rupert's Phox... suggesting the other side... their enemy responsible for it... equaling it to Pearl Harbor... suggesting indirectly 2 annihilate them ASAP... may be these Brahmins of the western hemisphere did it to set the 'crusaders' v/s the 'Jehaadi'... so that they kill each other n u live ur mahaajani ways... who knows? may be it's the Durban declaration fallout... walking out of that was easy... walking into this is difficult... all those pilots turn out be2blacks... its a probability... (last time round, the Oklahoma Bombing they suspected 'muslim' terrorist... they proved wrong) since we know how they are treated and beaten up black n blue in broad daylight... in full public view... all US prisons full of blacks... more than 70%... prof. Pushpesh Pant has been a delighting insight... he is the best there is... he speak so much Sanskrit though... i am afraid both jaahil angrezdaaN, as well as bandarbhaashies wouldn't get it... DD1 n PoorieTak had Prem and DD1 had Inder... they are chal chuki kaartooses bhai... tired and thakey huye... So the hunter is back... but hey Dubya don't be ur moronic self... and don't just dare nuke anybody in a hurry... like ur 'true man'... someone remind tathagat how many died in Hiroshima and Naagasaaki... were Americans outraged then? the way they are now... lets talk of Nepalms and Vietnam... Pentagon demolished... ur babe in the bunker, u hiding in high high altitudes on A1... u Admn panicky chicken shittin' shit... what an intelligence failure... 20, 000 CIA recruits... 800 just spooky... god knows how many in FBI... even one hour on Pentagon unaware... unguarded... whatever happen to ur NMD chhataa (umbrella)... 1.5 million babies dead in Iraq b'coz of u... isn't that crime against humanity??? book Aadvani for 3000 murders... and Balls Thakray for 900... ah Bulldozer is on CNN... America's dear partner in freedom... here the Hindutva fanatics would love to ally with yous... |
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abhishek 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 3 of 510 ) I am deeply shocked by whatever has happened in USA yesterday. Its high time when all the nations stand against the so-called jihadi groups who are bringing disrepute to Islam on the name of 'allah'. The whole world is well aware of the fact that Islamic Terrorism has erupted as the greatest enemy of the mankind. All the concerned parties should get their act together and start working to crackdown on the Muslim extremists. This is the only possible way to fight against the devil. Fighting fire with fire is the only way to get rid of the eveil intentions of the jihadi groups represented by Osama-Bin-Laden. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 4 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The Terrorism Research Center is dedicated to informing the public of the phenomena of terrorism and information warfare. This site features essays and thought pieces on current issues, as well as links to other terrorism documents, research and resources. Navigate the site by clicking on the area of interest. The Media and Terrorism Second Hand Terrorism Revisited By Larry Sloan The concept of second-hand terrorism, as espoused by Pollard and Houghton, is a thought provoking argument. I would assert that this phenomenon is far more prevalent than their article would lead one to believe. Houghton and Pollard refer to "intrusive reportage" as the point of culpability where journalists become "second-hand" terrorists. They assert that "intrusive reportage" occurs when a "reporter ceases passive observation of an incident and becomes part of its dynamic." It can be argued that this point of culpability is irrelevant due to the fact that any reporting of terrorism qualifies as "intrusive reportage". Terrorism is one of the few phenomena for which any media coverage serves to alter the dynamic of the situation. The Media and Terrorism |
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tiger 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 5 of 510 ) I am sure the response by US to these horrendous attacks will be unprecedented.Whosoever may have started it but the Americans will finish it.Its the confidence the self belief of Americans. UNLIKE IN INDIA where Thousands of Jawans killed in KARGIL and hundreds of innocent people murdered each day in Kashmir.And the govt Response---A DUMB AND MUTE SPECTATOR. Every time and which is (practically every day)a terrorist attack happens and the govt responses by saying "WE WILL NOT TOLERATE SUCH ACTIONS IN FUTURE". But nothing concrete is done.Why do we INDIANS tolerare and bear such despicable acts every day. Is INDIA a coward, weak and an impotent country? Do we have the ABILITY and the GUTS to reply back? Will we ever be proactive to defend our INDIA? Will Kashmir Continue to bleed and suffer? Will INDIA ever wake up to these attacks? Will our INDIA ever be united and peaceful? Hope we find the answers soon and one day INDAINS can be confident as anybody else in the world about their security and territorial integrity. JAI HIND! TIGER |
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Pankaj 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 6 of 510 ) Root cause of terrorism There should be as widespread a war against terrorism as the war against drugs - hitting at every aspect, and every level of the supply chain. The origin of the supply chain is IDEOLOGY disguised behind religious protection, and that's where it will not be politically easy to point the finger, even though everyone knows the problem. But without addressing this root problem, all else will be temporary and partial at best. The Koran's statements that call for jihad, and those that attack kafirs, should be listed and a demand be made that these be deleted to make an amended Koran that complies with human rights and civilized society. This reformation movement of the Koran will not be easy. But as long as there is religious sanctity, enshrined in a holy book, to hate other religions and to do various things against them, humanity will always be at the mercy of muslim clergy who teach at thousands of madrassas (religious schools) around the world, and who choose which verses to teach and which not to. All efforts will be temporary and partial at best, until this reformation is achieved. Religious organizations that refuse to delete such verses of hate speech should be denied tax-exempt status by the IRS, in the same way as those who refuse to adopt equal employment policies cannot become legitimate in the government's eyes. Countries that have Islam as the official 'state religion', should be de-legitimized if they fail to amend the Koran in accordance with such principles of human rights. In other words, criminal doctrines should not be able to hide behind religious protection. |
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Pankaj 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 7 of 510 ) US Attacks: India v/s Pakistan Pakistan's history has been to prostitute itself opportunistically, and yet simultaneously betray its own sponsors. It misused the US military aid funneled through it that was meant to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. It cheated the US on its nuclear weapons program assurances. It is still cheating on missiles being received from North Korea and China. It hosts the largest number of jihad training camps in the world. Its lies notwithstanding, US has been reluctant to name it for what it is. Even after the terrorist attacks yesterday, US officials and congressmen name only some other nearby countries as rogues, but have referred to Pakistan as a 'friend' on whom the US must 'put pressure to get cooperation'. The risk is that Pakistan will once again negotiate its way and schmooze its way into the heart of US authorities. It will offer the following: Its territory must be crossed in any counterattack against Afghanistan, for which it will extract a price. As a so-called moderate Islamic state (which must be emphasized as a misconception), it can claim to legitimize the US counterattack in the eyes of the rest of the Islamic world. It can even add troops to such an attack, since it wants to be involved in the future control over Afghanistan. Afghanistan is land-locked, and the US must be planning ways to attack it. Iran is the other country whose territory can be used in such an attack. If Iran refuses or the US is less comfortable with it, Pakistan will once again become center stage in US policy. The US has a history of turning a blind eye to other long term consequences when it pursues intense action on a specific immediate goal. It could end up further playing into Pakistan's hands. India must seek Israeli help in this campaign to educate the western nations on the deeper nature of Pakistan. Perhaps, India must offer ground troops to fight in an invasion of any rogue nation. India must insist that closing ALL jihad training worldwide is a must to be effective, and not only those training camps that are specifically targeted against the US. India must stop relying upon the old emotional (and silly) appeals to being the 'world's oldest civilization and largest democracy' as ways to impress, and must be more practical about the nature of the role it offers. It has to go well beyond mere words of sympathy and cooperation in investigation that Vajpayee has sent so far. India must have a strategy under the assumption that there will be a full-scale US invasion of Afghanistan, in which India cannot afford to let Pakistan come out ahead. |
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Anis 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 8 of 510 ) No words are strong enough to condemn this vicious and senseless attack on innocent civilians.As we watch in horror and disbelief,I am sure our prayers and thoughts are with those who have lost their loved ones in this dastardly terrorist attack.I hope this proves to be the last straw that will break the back of terrorism.I dont think that America is just going to sit back and mourn the death of thousands of its civilians. Its payback time and those who have planned and perpetrated this crime will have to pay and pay big. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 9 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ... before anything is done guys... remember politicians wants to use any such thing for their own political gains... and beside the world media is owned by the jews... before it strikes to revenge... America must disclose all the terrorist groups it supported in the past... New Anti-Fascist web literature Media-fueled xenophobia toward Islam The main source for this article is Edward Said's fantastic book Covering Islam (1997, Vintage Books). American hostility toward Islam is at an all-time high. Generalisations about Islam and Muslims are routinely made in the general media without justification or evidence, by so-called experts. Critiques of these articles by Muslim authors and scholors are simply ignored by a mono-lingual American public. In the eyes of the American public, Islam is synonomous with terrorism and fundamentalism, despite the fact that the true nature of 'fundamentalism' is rarely discussed or defined beyond frequent confirmations of it's existance and supposed power. Middle-east originating terrorism is only sixth highest in the world, yet the Oklahoma bombing was all too readily blamed on Islam before the truth became known that the perpetrators were white neo-nazis. What is the nature of this unjustified xenophobia? In the New Republic August 13, 1996, Martin Peretz (self-proclaimed 'expert' on islam) writes that Arab countries have no "cultural disposition for scientific and industrial take-off. Alas, these are societies which cannot make a brick, let alone a microchip". This is flagrantly untrue. Muslim scienctists pioneered logic, astronomy, medicine as a science and invented algebra (to name but a few of their many acheivements) while we were wallowing in a god-fearing dark ages - which many christian fundamentalists in America seem to want us to return to. Milton Viorst (In Said, 1997) is quoted as saying: "The traditional Islamic city shows little concern for exterior aesthetics; even now, arabs seem not to notice their streets and cover them with litter". Again, this is a horrendous generalisation about muslims and patently a lie. Islamic architecture is praised the world over for its use of complex geometric designs, its innovative use of ceramics and enamels. Also, Viorst seems to forget what a shithole parts of many western cities are. Look at the streets of London or New York and be appalled. Personally, i have walked around some of the orthodox jewish areas of jerusalem and was amazed at the sheer quantity of household debris left to rot in enormous stinking piles. It displays lack of 'exterior aesthetics' and disregard for simple hygeine, but are we to generalise those traits to the entire jewish community? No. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 10 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Media-fueled xenophobia toward Islam... #2 Edward Said In the recent Demi Moore vehicle G I Jane, her unit is sent to retrieve weapons-grade plutonium from the Libyian desert. In american hands it has been used for a noble, scientific purpose (as fuel for a satellite - no mention of how america is putting the entire world at risk by firing radioactive materials into space!), but in arab hands, it automatically becomes a threat to freedom and peace. There is no mention of any diplomatic attempts to retreive the material, as arabs are assumed to be beyond rationality. A filthy, sweaty arab (the common portrayal of muslims, despite vast differences in dress, cultural practice, language, industrialisation, etc) has his head blown off with surprisingly little explanation of his particular crime or connection to the plot. He simply represents evil in the mind of the american public. So what purpose does this media-created bogeyman 'Islam' serve? The american media like to convince the public that islamic countries are not capable of rational thought - as this provides an excuse to blow the crap out of them. Members of the Carter administration sent telegrams that in effect said that the Iranian negotiators in the hostage crisis were irrational - despite the fact that they knew their own people better than any outsider ever could. It is estimated that Islamic Fundamentalists make up less than 5% of the muslim world, yet the media in america put forward a view of muslims as crazy, machine-gun weilding arab nutters with a enormous desire to kill westerners. Hisbollah (who the media in america call terrorists) are a resistance movement fighting the illegal occupation of their country (lebanon) by israel. International law says that a population has the RIGHT to fight an occupying force. The french and norwegian resistance movements during WWII are today seen as heroes, yet hizbollah are only seen as the bad guys. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 11 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Concluding Post # 3 : Media-fueled xenophobia toward Islam : Edward Said In the Gulf War it could be argued that Saddam Hussain was only protecting iraq's oil interests by occupying kuwait. Kuwait, it has been suggested, was stealing shared oil! The government of america charged in to protect the citizens of kuwait from the 'crazy arab dictator', millions of iraqi citizens died and are still suffering from US/UN imposed sanctions because america buys oil from Q8. During Desert Storm, uranian-tipped bullets were used in their millions (possibly to justify continuation of weapons contracts). These radioactive materials are strewn over the whole of iraq and it is reported by amnesty international that children are being born with serious birth defects. Was Saddam REALLY the bad guy? The thrust of this essay is the belief that the media in america perpetuate the 'spectre' of a malevolent islam in order to cover up the fact that the american government has perpetrated some horrendous crimes against the islamic world. Since the end of the cold war, the media have needed the threat of an evil outside force to draw attention away from in depth analysis by the american public of israeli/american crimes committed in israeli/american interests. For a list of these crimes, check out Said (1997). Of course, America is not alone in blameworthiness. My own country, Britain, still languishes in post-colonial belief that the Arab and Asian states and peoples are somehow 'beneath' us. The real battle that america is yet to fight is to avoid falling into a state of splendid isolation such as that which categorised Britain for many years. Ironically, as it grows in strength, America is becoming increasingly isolated and mistrusted internationally. It is time for the american people to take a good look at the effects (good and bad) of their own media and government policy on international perception of America as a state. |
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RDHPXK 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 12 of 510 ) PAKISTAN and AFGHANISTAN are hotbeds for Terroist activity. USA should flatten the ISLAMIC jihad gene pool for couple of generations. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 13 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava A Day of Tragedy for the Wounded Heart of America : David Duke ...Perhaps we have just witnessed the beginning of the economic collapse of the Western World. All Americans will feel the effects of this dramatic act of war, as will hundreds of millions more across the globe. For years I have tried to prevent this occurrence. I have tried to inform my fellow Americans that getting involved in other people's wars would have terrible consequences. Supplying and sometimes even using guns and tanks and planes and bombs against one side in a foreign war, creates millions of angry enemies against us. How can we reconcile that the most powerful lobby in the American Congress is in the service of a foreign government? How can learn the truth when that same powerful, Zionist Lobby dominates the entire media spectrum from newspapers to magazines, television, movies and music? But, it is not this foreign lobby that ends up suffering. Nor will suffer the media, which has prodded us into everybody else's fight in the remotest corners of the world. No, they'll just have more disasters to cover; more stories to sell. No, it is our people, the normal moms and pops, and sons and daughters of America who will suffer. We will pay with our money, our lives, our limbs, our freedoms, our children, our very blood. Thousands of good Americans suffered today; perhaps millions tomorrow. The Government and Media, who are in service of a supremacist state in the Middle East, rather than the American nation, have made millions across the world despise us. Those new enemies of the United States will even go to the extreme of sacrificing their own lives to take our lives. Some of America's enemies did so today. They were so driven, that they immolated themselves as they slaughtered thousands of Americans. Let us pray for our fellow Americans who died, for their families, and for our country that now reaps the whirlwind. There is no way to adequately defend ourselves from such suicidal acts of terrorism. Our masters already plan their war against the terrorism that they themselves inspired, and it will be a war on our most basic freedoms; for in a war, there are no civil rights. May we also pray, that the American people someday embrace, as they once did, George Washington's Farewell Speech in which he pleaded with Americans not to involve ourselves in "foreign wars." If we don't break the grip of this Zionist power in our midst, then Americans will come to live in the death, agony, and fear of terrorism that will haunt our children and their children for generations to come. Let this horrific act wake us up. On this day let us mourn the loss of our brethren. In the days ahead, let us free ourselves from the foreign powers that dominate us and put our love for our America and our people: first. Israel, Zionism, and the Racial Double Standard Truth About Interracial Crime: The Color of Crime Report |
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Pankit 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 14 of 510 ) PAN WWII ended only b'cos America dropped the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagashaki.It was only b'cos of that bombs that America is a prosperious nation today,without them America would have been a different country today.So what I mean to say is to gain something even if u have to lose something massive(the lives of innocents in case of Hiroshima),u should be ready for that sacrifice. To make these world free of terrorists,to make India,to make America and other countries a safer place,there is only 1(note these only 1) alternative and that is to drop nuclear bomb,not 1 but 4-1 each on Afganishtan,Pakistan,Iraq and Palestine.Only then would these world and my and your life would be safer,our children would be safe.So achieve all these,we have to sacrifice innocent lives of those countries. |
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kamal 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 15 of 510 ) Terrorits are mostly poor and illitrate people. They do not know consequences of their act. In order to avoid terrorism in the future, those people/country needs to be uplifted in terms of education and economy. Definitely, this will not be counter productive as many may think. Terrorism is developed because of anger. Anger is due to insults and repression. This is gross root solution to terrorism. There is popular song in south indian language, "theft can be vanished only by the change of attitude of theif not by law or any other thing", similarly terrorism. |
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pradipta 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 16 of 510 ) It is surprising that an attack on American targets suddenly takes a dimension of an "attack on humanity and the entire democratic world". A similar attack was carried out on Mumbai and USA turned a blind eye as the perpetrators of the crime led a lulifeof luxury under state protection in Pakistan. As Musharaff's "freedom fighters" funded by narcotics money and trained in the nurseries of terrorism in Pakistan, by the pakistani army and Its intelligence organisation killed thousands of innocent men , women and children in kashmir USA watched in deafening silence. Nothing much has changed since then, only America is seeing the fruitition of an activity whose seeds were laid long back in countries like Pakistan. It would make for excellent television viewing to take off on a reckless, irresponsible and trigger happy trip. But it would take a lot of mature, long term strategic planning and vision to nip terrorism at the bud. Is America capable of it? pradipta chatterjee Pune, India |
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maulana 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 17 of 510 ) Attack on US may be a shock for many but where were they when US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki just to show that he is the BOSS?Where were they when US Army killed 1.5 Vietnam people just because they were not ready to accept its capitalistic policies? Where were they when US killed millions of old people and small kids of Iraq by not letting them avail life saving drugs? Do you know that 12% of the blacks are behind bars in US at any given point of time and of every 4 people getting capital punishment, 3 are blacks in US? This is Amnesty International's report which is very much American. Do you know that US is the biggest merchant of arms in the world with almost 26% of total trade? Do you know from where did the Mujahideen got all those Stingers,SAMs and RDX? Who fanned the fanatism in Afghanistan in order to settle scores with USSR? Do you know who killed various international leaders like Patrice Lumumba, Che Guevara etc? Today US has today landed into the death trap of terrorism it had planned for others. This is a warning to Pakistan and all other countries which are supporting terrorism in the world. Its a menace that would soon get out of your control and then it will turn on you. India's full sympathy are with the people of US. We have also lost some of our best brains in this carnage but remember the policy of an eye for an eye would only lead us to a world of blind. Lets fight terrorism and wipe it out from the face of this planet but lets not target innocent people as a measure of counter violence. |
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Anis 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 18 of 510 ) Attack on US may be a shock for many but where were they when US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki just to show that he is the BOSS?Where were they when US Army killed 1.5 Vietnam people just because they were not ready to accept its capitalistic policies? Where were they when US killed millions of old people and small kids of Iraq by not letting them avail life saving drugs? Do you know that 12% of the blacks are behind bars in US at any given point of time and of every 4 people getting capital punishment, 3 are blacks in US? This is Amnesty International's report which is very much American. Do you know that US is the biggest merchant of arms in the world with almost 26% of total trade? Do you know from where did the Mujahideen got all those Stingers,SAMs and RDX? Who fanned the fanatism in Afghanistan in order to settle scores with USSR? Do you know who killed various international leaders like Patrice Lumumba, Che Guevara etc? Today US has today landed into the death trap of terrorism it had planned for others. This is a warning to Pakistan and all other countries which are supporting terrorism in the world. Its a menace that would soon get out of your control and then it will turn on you. India's full sympathy are with the people of US. We have also lost some of our best brains in this carnage but remember the policy of an eye for an eye would only lead us to a world of blind. Lets fight terrorism and wipe it out from the face of this planet but lets not target innocent people as a measure of counter violence. |
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Anis 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 19 of 510 ) There are no two opininons about the fact that what happened in New york and Washington was a barabaric act of terrorism which cannot be justified much less gloated over(as is unfortunately being done in certain parts).At the same time time I think the US must own responsibilty for breeding and nurturing these same fanatics.It is an open secret that the US(CIA) has funded,armed and trained terrorist groups in all parts of the world(Latin America, Africa, Afghanistan etc).It never cared about the mayhem caused by these groups as long as it suited their national interests.Now that the chicken have come to roost and they are feeling the heat, it all becomes a "crime against civilisation and humanity".It is time that the US discloses all the terrorist groups it has supported,the bombings and assasinations it has authorised,the "collateral damage" that it has rationalized and admit before the world that it has made a huge mistake. We have suffered the Bombay blasts,bombs planted in trains and innumerable terrorist attacks.We have cried hoarse about the obvious state sponsored terrorism being waged against our country, but did the US ever take action apart from some useless lip service? It should have declared Pakistan a terrorist state but it continues to consider it as its ally.I hope this will shake the US off its delusion and deal with its Frankenstein of fanaticism that it has helped create with an iron hand. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 20 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava What the Middle East papers say: Brian Whitaker, The Guardian Middle East editor TIME Exclusive: Inside the Plot HOLIER THAN THOU, Islam and the religious ego, By Asghar Ali Engineer Muslims world over say US had it coming Indian Express. International Response Are we seeing the start of a new style of warfare? By SHUNJI TAOKA The Asahi Shimbun LA Times: America Attacked: Graphics : Tenants of World Trade Center (Adobe Acrobat PDF files) |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 21 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Here's an article by the Jewish media personality Ben Stein which fully admits Jews run and control Hollywood. Stein in effect concludes "it really doesn't matter" if Jews control the media because the result of Jewish media control would be no different than media controlled by anyone else, so we really shouldn't be too concerned. Yet without a doubt, Mr. Stein would certainly change his tune if the media was owned Arabs or "White extremists." Media Watch As U.S. Media Ownership Shrinks, Who Covers Islam? By Richard H. Curtiss Who Rules America? News Magazines: The story is pretty much the same for other media as it is for television, radio, films, music, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only three of any importance published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report. Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a subsidiary of Time Warner Communications, the new media conglomerate formed by the 1989 merger of Time, Inc., with Warner Communications. The CEO of Time Warner Communications, as mentioned above, is Gerald Levin, a Jew. Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Company, under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.1 million. U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.2 million, is owned and published by the aforementioned Mortimer B. Zuckerman, who also has taken the position of editor-in-chief of the magazine for himself. Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly and New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the country. |
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kkn 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 22 of 510 ) Hello All, My deepest sympathies to the people who lost their Kith and Kin the recent incidents. But what is striking me the most is arrogance of the US. No doubdt the US feels terribly angry about this and is contemplating a retaliation. They call this as an act of war, but when India was actually thrusted a war on it, the same US wanted India and Pakistan to "Talk", if the US has the right to defend its territory then any other soverign nation has the same right, who are the US at that time to advice us to "talk" ? so the US doesnt seem to have a balanced view of things, when it comes to themselves it is outright revenge, but for others it is moderation, "talks", UN securty council and all those kinds of bullshit. The entire world is now supporting the US, so what we learn is "POWER" is the keyword, our own so called Intelligentia who oppose our nuclearization/missiles wont deter pakistan from trying another Kargil or Afghanistan saying "please dont bomb us and put to hardship our already impoverished people", we want power whether that comes through money, missiles or nuclear bombs... and using them with responsibilty. The next thing is the weakness of our politicians, we want a strong leader, who is responsible to the mankind yet an extremist when it comes to external aggression. Lets all pray for such a leader. Jai Hind. |
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every 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 23 of 510 ) Well said KKN . I support your view . I deeply sympathise with all the people killed /injured in the recent attack . May God bless their souls and their families . Yes KKN , the KASHMIR problem is an internal issue . It is India who is suffering in KASHMIR for so many years . India will settle the score . None else's opinion should be important for us . The terrorists who has driven out lakhs of hindus from kashmir , who has massacred lakhs of hindus must be delt with an iron hand , and for God's sake no talk with the satans . The terrorists must be killed so that they can travel to heaven or hell . The world is certainly not a place for these people and their supporters . Pakistan was India's enemy no. 1 and it will remain so . India should try every mean to punish the Pakistanis and Pakistan for their cross-border terrorism . .....I will support USA if it take any millitary action against Afganistan or any other rogue states . They have committed enough crime , It is high time to punish them brutally . |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 24 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava dialogue - a proposal The full text of the very influential paper by David Bohm, Donald Factor and Peter Garrett "When humans will not radically change themselves, perform a fundamental change in themselves - not with god or prayers, all this stuff is too immature, too infantile - then we will destroy ourselves. NOW a revolution in the psyche is possible, not thousand years later. We are living for thousands of years, and we are still barbarians. So if we don't change ourselves now, we will still be barbarians tomorrow or in thousands of tomorrows. When I don't stop war today, I will go to war tomorrow. Expressed simply: The future is now." "There is the army, within its own walls of self interest; and the businessman enclosed within steel and glass; and the housewife pottering about the house waiting for her husband and her children. There is the museaum keeper, and the orchestra conductor, each living within a fragment of life, each fragment becoming extra ordinarily important, unrelated in contradiction to other fragments, having its own honours, its own social dignity, its own prophets. The religious fragment is unrelated to the factory, and factory to the artist; the general is unrelated to the soldiers, as the priest to the layman. Sociaty is made up of these fragments, and the do-gooder and reformer are trying to patch up the broken pieces. But through these sepretive, broken, specialized parts, the human being carries on with his anxieties, guilt and apprehensions. in that we are all related, not in our specialzed fields. In the common greed, hate and aggression, human beings are related and this violence builds the culture, the society in wich we live. It si the mind and the heart that divide god and hate, love and violence - and in this duality the whole culture of man expands and contracts. The unity of man does not lie in any of the structures which the human mind has invented. Cooperation is not the nature of the intellect. Between love and hate can be no unity, and yet it is what the mind always trying to find and establish. Unity lies totally outside this field, and thought can not reach it. thought has constructed this culture of aggression, competition and war, and yet this very thought is groping after order and peace. But thought will never find order and peace, do what it will. Thought must be silent for the love to be." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 25 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava American Atomic-Genocide of the People of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, August, 1945 www.antiwar.com Why The U.S.A. Dropped The A-Bomb on Japan by Michael W. Stowell [2-27-2001] |
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maulana 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 26 of 510 ) The terror unleashed in US is an eyeopener for the whole world.Unfortunately, we the Indians, are very tolerant and very poor in learning lessons from the history. Ours is a reactionery attitude for every incident that has shaken us in the past.Every day so many of our compatriots are being butchered by the fanatics who have brought shame to one of the greatest religions of the world, namely the Islam. It is because of them that today the very name of Islam is being associated with the cowardice of terrorism.But we refuse to open our eyes to all this. We have become so insensitive that we simply shrug off the number of people being killed. What are we waiting for? To let this fire reach our houses? Or to let the situation go out of our hands? Cant we adopt a more proactive attitude and extinguish the fire early. Why do we have to wait for so long before taking any small action? |
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fire 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 27 of 510 ) Come on INDIA wake up wake up!!!Its time at least we ar something in south asia.We all know Bin Laden is sponsoring militant groups in kashmir.It is time now atleast we show some guts by sending some strong friendly signals to US and get prepared to war.We as a power in south asia have to participate in the attack as one of the sufferers of terrorisim.Leave the do not touch me foreign policy.At least we will be recognised now. |
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umashiv 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 28 of 510 ) Terrorism has been there since long. Only some handful of nations have been untouched by this menace. In south asian countries, India and Sri Lanka have been the worst sufferrers. Why China, Myanmar, Japan etc are not affected by it? The absence of religious fanatics may be one of the reason. To effectively root out terrorism acts, is to pay back in the same coin. A counter terrorist activity only can terrorise those terrorists organisations. Waging wars and killing innocent people through it cannot be justified. |
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matta 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 29 of 510 ) This is a good oppurtunity for us to team up with US and finish off Afghanistan and Pakistan - and China for good measure! |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 30 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava breaking news... Pravda.RU:Main:More in detail: RUSSIAN SECRET SERVICES: MASTERMINDS OF ATTACKS ON U.S. SAME AS THOSE OF MOSCOW AND VOLGODONSK BLASTS 2 YEARS AGO Experts of Russia’ Federal Security Service voiced today their version of who may be behind the terrorist attacks on the USA. In their view, it may have been the fundamental Islamic organization "Jamaat Islamia." The experts are sure that the "Jamaat Islamia" commands vast financial resources sufficient for preparation and perpetration of large-scale and well-coordinated acts of terrorism in any part of the globe, according to the RIA Novosti news agency. The headquarters of this radical group is located in Afghanistan. It also has branches in UAE, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The experts also say that it was this group that, in all likelihood, had masterminded and "sponsored" the explosions that demolished residential blocks in Moscow and the town of Volgodonsk (southern Russia) two years ago. Comparing details of the terrorist attacks in Moscow and the USA, FSB experts pointed out that the terrorists in both cases attempted to intimidate the state and population to achieve their political goals. Initially, the idea of perpetrating such acts from the air was voiced in 1996 by Movladi Udugov, the Vakhabist ideologist in Chechnya. He, in public, threatened Moscow that Chechen separatists would use a civilian airliner with komikazes onboard and direct it to the Kremlin. As for exploding residential buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk, it has been found that those terrorist acts were organized by Vakhabite Achimez Gochiyayev guided by Arab terrorists Hattab and Abu Umar. Arab mercenary Abu Umar has been eliminated by federal forces in Chechnya. Gochiyayev is believed to still hiding in the Pankiss Gorge in the Republic of Georgia. MASTERMINDS OF ATTACKS ON U.S. SAME AS THOSE OF MOSCOW AND VOLGODONSK BLASTS 2 YEARS AGO 17th Century poem by Saib-e-Tabrizi 'Kabul' (Qaabuul) Afghanistan: The Facts |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 31 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava CIA World Fact Book AfgHaanistaan Worse to Come, By William Raspberry, Saturday, September 15, 2001; Washington Post Anatomy Of a Failure, By Richard Cohen WP Saturday, September 15 Why Was There No Warning? WP Editorial, Saturday, September 15 ...warmonger republican, satta ke nashe meiN chuur... Buddha's first noble truth was that there is 'dukhkha' ...tathagat's ...there is 'moorchha'... barsaat shruu ho gayi aur chhataa(NMD) nahiN khula... may be a dozen secret services mocked and ridiculed dubya's NMD plans... StarWars... Anguttara Nikaya II.29 Vijja-bhagiya Sutta A Share in Clear Knowing Translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu. "These two qualities have a share in clear knowing. Which two? Tranquillity (samatha) & insight (vipassana). "When tranquillity is developed, what purpose does it serve? The mind is developed. And when the mind is developed, what purpose does it serve? Passion is abandoned. "When insight is developed, what purpose does it serve? Discernment is developed. And when discernment is developed, what purpose does it serve? Ignorance is abandoned." Theravada Text Archives in Zipped files God, Science, and Delusion: A Chat With Arthur C. Clarke Socrates Meets Jesus |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 32 of 510 ) From Dr. M.Banerjee I feel extremely sorry and hurt for the extreme loss of innocent lives in Washington and New York. Similar loss of lives from terrorist attacks have been a part of Indian way of life with neighbours of our country viz. Pakistan and even Bangladesh giving support and shelter to the terrorists. India has long being crying hoarse regarding these aspects in a large number of International fora - but nobody paid any heed to them. At present all the actions seem to start when the fire has reached the West's own backyard. Even then I hope a definite resolve be reached, the criminals punished and fyrther such events be prevented from happening again - only to benefit mankind. May all souls who have departed from this world because of acts of terrorism rest in peace. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 33 of 510 ) From Rajendra Let the ball roll. Things have gone a little too far. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 34 of 510 ) From Sanjeev Dear Sir This only shows one thing. Might is Right. Forget about Americans, Indians look down about themselves. Life is too cheap in India but in US, it's expensive. This might be hard to swallow but's that's the fact. Forget about nation, even on personal level, Rich and famous people are given prominent hearing than ordinary citizens. Why US is talking to Pakistan? Well this serves them better now. What India thinks does not matter to them now that is India's problem. India is not in a position to say to US, Are you with us? The only way it can do is when it is strong, militaraly and economically. We are too obsed with Pakistan. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 35 of 510 ) From Pankaj Isn't This Duplicity? Is it really bewildering to read this article full of hypocrisy, ignorance and uncalled for offence against USA. Mr Tushar, do you know about the consequence of declaring a country a terrorist state. I will tell you. The nation who declares a particular nation, a terrorist state has to break up all ties with that nation, economic, political and diplomatic. Tell me one thing that India did regarding pakistan Did we break up all the ties with Pakstan. Such a hypocrisy. If you really want Pakistan to be declared a terrorist state, take the first step, break all the ties, call our ambassadors who are beaten up at a regular basis then go to US and beg them to do the same. And stop ranting about indians, pakis having same culture, same music etc etc. It makes me feel sick. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 36 of 510 ) From Sunil Bhadekar Isn't This Duplicity? This is such a slavish article. Has India ever mounted any retaliatory strikes against Pakistan even after all the evidence that Mr. Tushar Gandhi mentions in his article? India is supposedly a sovereign country. If it has the evidence, it should go ahead and bomb the terrorist training camps. Begging to declare Pakistan a terrorist state is like paying allegiance to the United States. Can't we do something on our own? Israel does, everyday. Indians, an emotional people, have to understand that the US will always act in its own self-interest. At this moment, it wants Bin Laden, and it will do all that is necessary to get him. Pakistan, being a neighbor of Afghanistan, is an obvious choice. It really does not care a damn about Indo-Pak squabbles. Why can't we get that into our emotional heads and think logically for once? |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 37 of 510 ) From Gyan Dutt Pandey Isn't This Duplicity? Sir, why do you expect USA to fight your war against terrorism? You fight yours and they fight theirs.If there is some commanality, thanks god for that. In any case look at the different voices in our all party meeting called by PM!If we are governed by petty party politics internally, how do we expect USA to be with us! Gyan Dutt Pandey |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 38 of 510 ) From P.Chandrasekharan Nothing Good Comes From Terror It is high time that India takes the necessary steps to stop terrorism on its soil. a golden opportunity is now available to it to close all madrasas near the nepal border and similar instituions throughout the country. if necessary the ayodhya temple should be constructed be it only to tell the muslims to behave and stop supporting Pakistan and islamist fundamentalists. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 39 of 510 ) From LALIT MOHAN RATH Isn't This Duplicity? I fully agree with Tushar Gandhi. It is not only his way of thinking, all Indians should think it deeply and raise their voice now when Pakistan says it will support USA to fight against terrorists and they themselves are causing all sort of terrorist acts all over India and calling it jehad. At this particular time the politicians of India should combine to save Mother India and peace loving India from the so called jehadi groups. |
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Prem 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 40 of 510 ) Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra. A (White Australian Female) Teacher is sitting sobbing. A (White Australian Female) Student approaches: "Why are you crying?" Teacher: Because so many Americans have died. Student: I have never seen you crying for the boat people, the Afhganis, the Palestinians. Teacher: But the Americans are like us. Student: Like us? In what way? Because they speak English or because they have white skin? Well, Indians speak English too, and many Lebanese are very white. Teacher: I think you are a socialist |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 41 of 510 ) I deeply sympathise with USA people for the recent attack they have been subjected too . We should support USA for its proposed military action against the satans and the enemies of civilisation . But What India is undergoing for so many years is much worse . It is high time we should realise... to prevent mad dogs to biting us , we have to kill them . There should not be any more talk with Pakistan who is harbouring DAWOOD and Co. and supporting the terrosrists group who are doing all kind of attrocities on Indian people . Let our politicians understand and see who are the real enemies . They are always blaming RSSs for some unknown reasons . India shouln't pay must opinion to world opinion . India's destiny is not in the hand of other countries . India must be strong for that we have to equip our army with modern , sophisticated weapons . We must take a strong stand .World will respect us only when we are strong . USA treats CHINA with respect , coz China is a strong country. .... We should not keep waiting Laden and Pakistan to attack us . We should attack them first . Our media is always against our soldiers who are fighting a fierce battle in kashmir , our media is always blaming our soldiers of human rights violation . But our spineless media is silent when the terrorists kill / drive out hindus from kashmir/jammu valley ..... We should be inspired by our friend ISRAEL . If India kills LADEN and destroys PAKISTAN that will be INDIA'S greatest contribution for world peace . JAI HIND . |
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kkn 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 42 of 510 ) Prem, Very good point. These Australians .... they atleast could have allowed the boat people to land and then could have decided about their future course of action, but after letting go the golden oppertunity to show the world their humane nature they are shedding crocodile tears for the Americans. While feeling bad for what happened in the US is fine, the treatment of the boat people exposes their hypocracy. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 43 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Bushh The effing button... 'We know that America is a land of some extraordinarily brilliant people. And yet their new president's singular contribution has been "Bushisms"—statements that are rib-ticklingly ridiculous. When he said things like "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream" or "We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile", people were forgiving because they assumed he suffered from spoonerism. But his supporters and family say he didn't. In which case, you can neither understand nor forgive his verbal lapses. Just consider some of these Bush profundities: "Quite frankly, teachers are the only ones who teach our children" or "For nasa, space is still a high priority" or "A low voter-turnout is an indication of fewer people going to polls." His history is weak: "The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history." His geography is weaker: "We have a firm commitment to nato, we are part of nato. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are part of Europe." He mixes his metaphors rather confusingly: "He can't take the high horse and claim the low road." And he can't seem to count: "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'." If as his supporters insist Bush doesn't have a speech defect, then the only conclusion is that the man occasionally suffers from a thinking defect. Can you imagine the dangers of such a man in the Oval Office? He wants to nuke a meteor rushing to earth, Hollywood style, and says "Press the button". But his staff don't, because they assume he must mean "Button the shirt" and the meteorite obliterates earth. Or vice-versa. He says "Button the shirt" and his staff assume he must mean "Press the button" and nuke Afghanistan. Jokes apart, clearly, there is something drastically wrong with politics. When we look at Indian or American politicians, we see that apart from a few exceptions, those who triumph are mediocre, shameless or corrupt. And yet, we all know that honest, dynamic, intelligent men and women abound. How come they don't or are unwilling to rise to the top in the world of politics?' Anita Pratap, Outlook Archives. Link2her features More Bush'ism Even More Bush'ism Top Ten George W. Bush Observations About New York City |
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pedant 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 44 of 510 ) Let us unite.USA is now going to dump us again over Kashmir.It really has no principles ,the white man never had any .To them one wog is as good as the other.despite the acute pain I feel over the WTC blasts I feel one must be realistic too.I wish I new what the opinion of Vinod Mehta our Dear Editor is on this one.He does seem to have quite a proclivity for the big Apple. |
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Sundeep 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 45 of 510 ) A friend forwarded these poems that seem very appropriate for the occasion: from Devara Dasimayya tr. A.K. Ramunjan: For what shall i handle a dagger O lord? What can I pull it out of, or stab it in, when You are all the world, O Ramanatha? FROM # 4 of the Bijak of Kabir Tr. Linda Hess & Shukdev Singh: .... The Hindu says Ram is the Beloved, the Turk says Rahim. Then they kill each other. No one knows the secret. T In the end they're sorry. Kabir says, listen saints: they're all deluded! Whatever I say, nobody gets it. It's too simple. from Robert Bly's transcreation "The Book of Kabir", #2 I don't know what sort of a God we have been talking about. The caller calls in a loud voice to the Holy One at dusk Why? Surely the Holy One is not deaf. He hears the delicate anklets that ring on the feet of an insect as it walks. Go over and over your beads, paint weird designs on your forehead, wear your hair matted, long, and ostentatious, but when deep inside you there is a loaded gun, how can you have God? |
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Sundeep 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 46 of 510 ) September 1, 1939 by W. H. Auden I sit in one of the dives On Fifty-second Street Uncertain and afraid As the clever hopes expire Of a low dishonest decade: Waves of anger and fear Circulate over the bright And darkened lands of the earth, Obsessing our private lives; The unmentionable odour of death Offends the September night. Accurate scholarship can Unearth the whole offence From Luther until now That has driven a culture mad, Find what occurred at Linz, What huge imago made A psychopathic god: I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return. Exiled Thucydides knew All that a speech can say About Democracy, And what dictators do, The elderly rubbish they talk To an apathetic grave; Analysed all in his book, The enlightenment driven away, The habit-forming pain, Mismanagement and grief: We must suffer them all again. Into this neutral air Where blind skyscrapers use Their full height to proclaim The strength of Collective Man, Each language pours its vain Competitive excuse: But who can live for long In an euphoric dream; Out of the mirror they stare, Imperialism's face And the international wrong. Faces along the bar Cling to their average day: The lights must never go out, The music must always play, All the conventions conspire To make this fort assume The furniture of home; Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night Who have never been happy or good. The windiest militant trash Important Persons shout Is not so crude as our wish: What mad Nijinsky wrote About Diaghilev Is true of the normal heart; For the error bred in the bone Of each woman and each man Craves what it cannot have, Not universal love But to be loved alone. From the conservative dark Into the ethical life The dense commuters come, Repeating their morning vow; "I will be true to the wife, I'll concentrate more on my work," And helpless governors wake To resume their compulsory game: Who can release them now, Who can reach the deaf, Who can speak for the dumb? All I have is a voice To undo the folded lie, The romantic lie in the brain Of the sensual man-in-the-street And the lie of Authority Whose buildings grope the sky: There is no such thing as the State And no one exists alone; Hunger allows no choice To the citizen or the police; We must love one another or die. Defenseless under the night Our world in stupor lies; Yet, dotted everywhere, Ironic points of light Flash out wherever the Just Exchange their messages: May I, composed like them Of Eros and of dust, Beleaguered by the same Negation and despair, Show an affirming flame. |
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yenjvoy 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 47 of 510 ) At one level or the other, we are all responsible for the growth of terrorism. Today in the US, the Republicans are crying out for removing all restraints on the CIA. They are too blind to see that the CIA's unrestrained pursuit of adventure in the MIddle East since the 70s and in Afghanistan since the 80s is what brought the rain of death and destruction down upon New York. Have they never heard of what happens to the sowers of the wind - that they or their descendants reap the whirlwind. Once again prolix pronouncements from the high pulpit of the "world's greatest democracy" are being heard, about how no effort will be spared to rid the world of the evil of terrorism. Not many are commenting on how this will be achieved if the method is to consist of shaking hands with one thief, Pakistan, to destroy another, the Taliban. I think, in this context too, as in the World Series of Baseball, the American usage of the word "World" includes only the 48 states, Hawaii and Alaska. What is even more revealing of the Americans' inability to see the obvious, is that while their goverment and lawmakers alike are unanimously preaching the necessity of revenge to preserve "freedom", not many are coming forward to stress the need for restraint and reflection on why the world hates America and its people so much. I hope the goverment in India does not belong to that group which believes this will lead to a dramatic change of heart in Washington vis a vis India's own battle against the same terrorists. As always, we will have to go it alone and must prepare to do so. Instead of waiting for the Americans to ask for our help, we must take advantage of the confusion amongst the terrorist networks in Kashmir to quickly strengthen our position militarily, and simultaneously engage the Kashmiri people through their representatives to explain how their cause will only suffer if they continue to be party to the activities of these terrorists. To me the imposotion of the veil on Kashmiri women is a far greater tragedy that some building crashing in New York. As for those Islamic 'scholars' who are loudly defending Islam today, I can only say that they cannot absolve themselves of the responsibility of allowing the fundamentalists to hijack their religion, the same way that I as a Hindu cannot escape responsibility for letting the VHP-BJP capture power in India. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 48 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ... Ur power baloon is bust America... Ur saTTaa bazaar gonna go bust too... well below 6000... Bush the button trying to exploit the situation... diverting attention from economic doom n gloom... whipping up jaahil citizen tempers and claiming that people are angry and want revenge... today u said 'crusade'... did u? Maleeha and Sattar doing such a fine job... while Lalita sulking(?)... guys we heard of criminals (not just dawoods but rajans too) at large... now we have ambassadors at large... lol... every Hindu (goswami means cow owner... lol... and Mehta i think a baaboo... ) is delighted Muslims earning a mighty power as enemy... so that they more permanently remain a cow owners and a mehtas... lol... gaay chaap bandars day dreaming and wishful thinking working overtime 2 ally with the king dada... but alas... geo politics... and besides they(pakees) r yoong, dynamic n well educated... lol... Bush the buTTunn... putting macho postures... fooling n conning its people, to continue the illusion of being a great power... risking many many times more lives... ah Lalita MSing seen after 6 days on ndtv... operating with knives... a few more of ur own aircraft hit u with biological weapons (Biological warfare - disaster lurking in the corner ) or strike Atomic power station... and ur statecraft... we know u got mighty weapons... as we know ur minds r full of gobar too... Imraan Khaan called them 'bechaarey n ma'asoom' as our colonel called them 'innocent people'... i don't think they were as innocent... they can't be for letting these gobar chaap on the seats of power doesn't make these jaahils as innocent... ignorence is bliss... no its not... it is sheer hell... FaarooQ calling 'geedaRs' to die like... singhs... lol... |
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kamal 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 49 of 510 ) Many countries are taking help from America, whenever they need it, after a while they are ditching Americans. America should not help those ungrateful people and country. I love America. Long Live America. God Bless America. |
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rav666 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 50 of 510 ) To me the imposition of the veil on Kashmiri women is a far greater tragedy than some building crashing in New York. Great words there, yenjvoy! |
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vjwpf 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 51 of 510 ) Let's not pretend we were shocked. Far from it, terrorism had been so much a part of our lives we got used to it. It's there in all parts of the world, had made millions of lives miserable right in our midst - in Kashmir. It had to happen with the most powerful nation to wake up mankind from slumber and rethink if they had been doing right in enduring terrorism and other such harmful elements. WTC towers, two of the most beautiful buildings in the world, are now dust. Thousands of people have been killed. Thousands of people might never recover from bereavement. World economy would take a severe beating. It's a message to the world entire how sunk we are as species, for there never was one which exterminated its own community. It's time the world came together and obliterated terrorism and all other such dreadful elements from this planet. It's now or never. http://www.geocities.com/vjwpf2/home.html |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 52 of 510 ) From Deeta Jain Isn't This Duplicity? I agree with Tushar ji on this. It pains me to see India rushing to the US' aid unasked when they did nothing for us during the Bombay bomb blasts. We have seen more terrrorism than them, but how have they helped us?? Why is Indian blood not important to their self absorbed selves? We should think rationally here. PLEASE LET US NOT GET INVOLVED IN THIS WAR. LET US STAY NON ALIGNED or just give them moral support!! We must also remember that we have many Muslims in this country, and we must not adopt any overtly communal policy. |
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kamal 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 53 of 510 ) To All, Those who believe US has done nothing to India. From 1950 - 65 $4billion. From 1965 - 1970 $4Billion. The entire 3rd 5 year plan was depended on that. If that amount had not come, there would not be any 3rd 5year plan. Whenever there is a natural disaster USA is the first country to donate. During Guj. earthquake Clinton government has given $4Million. American too donated a lot. We should not forget all those things. We should have atleast small amount of gratitude. Whenever USA needs some help from us, we should do that without any hesitation because they helped as a lot. I love America. God bless America. |
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kamal 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 54 of 510 ) Here is the letter which I received from one of my friend. > I was emailed this. > > > A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > > America: The Good Neighbor. > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a > remarkable > > editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television > > commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as > printed in the Congressional Record: > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most > > generous and possibly the least > appreciated people on all the earth. > > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out > of > > the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and > forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying > even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. > |
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kamal 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 55 of 510 ) > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who > propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the > streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries > in > > to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. > > Nobody helped. > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into > discouraged countries. Now > newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering > > Americans. > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the > erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other > > country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the > Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? > Why > do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on > the > moon? You talk about Japanese > technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and > you > get automobiles. > > You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -! not > once, but several times - and safely home again. > > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store > window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued > and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless > they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and > pa > > at home to spend here. > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through > age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad > > and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an > old caboose. Both are still broke. > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other > people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced > to > the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during > > the San Francisco earthquake. > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned > tired > of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with > their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose > at > the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is > not one of those." > > Stand proud, America! > > > > This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the > United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the > rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything > and > never even get a thank you for the things we do. > > I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as you can > > and emphasize that they should send it to as many of their friends until > this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a single > American > that has read this. > > I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON. |
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sadat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 56 of 510 ) I was sickened to my stomach when I heard my Egyptian cab driver in New York yesterday express his opinion about how unsafe he felt since he was a Muslim and how he might be targeted after the event of the past week. I felt sorry for him. But then learning that I too am a Muslim he mentioned how it was all right to kill Jews even if they were civilians! I almost felt like throwing up. I pointed out that in my opinion what he said was absolutely wrong. That brought the conversation between us to a dead halt. We Muslims need our heads examined. I am reminded of the couplet in Urdu about never becoming a person, "Jis-e aish mein yadey Khuda na rahey, Jis-e thaish mein khaufey Khuda na rahey." If the way our religion is preached and its teachings interpreted do not go fundamental changes then perhaps it is time to put this religion on the back burner of history! Of what good are the good teachings of Islam when the dark aspects of the religion become the prime motivation for most of its followers? How can a person who believes he is religious condone the killing of women, children, and civilians? No point in disowning those who committed these barbaric acts for they do come from our faith. And our fates are linked to these people unfortunately. I cannot imagine a situation when I would be willing to kiss my baby son in the morning and in the evening I would plant a bomb in a place that could kill someone else’s child. No I am sorry. No religion, no place in Heaven or Earth, no cause in the whole world could nor should motivate me or us to take such steps. If statements like these result in my burning in hell for all eternity then so be it. I might have missed the meaning of our religion altogether if this is allowed or even possible in my religion. It is better to burn the Koran in my possession than to harm a single hair on an innocent’s head. And to suggest the thousands who perished in the planes and at the WTC were not “innocents” would have to be the creation of a sick and warped mind. |
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sridham 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 57 of 510 ) US war against terrorism cannot stop by the mere arrest or killing of Bin-Laden.Pakistan which has suddenly become anti terrorist should be made to pay for it's misdeeds against India.Any war against terrorism is incomplete without action taken against Pakistan. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 58 of 510 ) From Kumar Pictures That Lie Well, what can I say? Looks like the author clearly has an "agenda". I work in Saudi Arabia and have colleagues of all nationalities, including Palestinians. Let me tell you that none of the Palestinians made any effort to hide their total glee at what happened in New York. One also heard that lot of people (various nationalities) even went about distributing sweets! Kumar |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 59 of 510 ) From Anwar The Invisible Afghanistan I wholeheartedly congratulate the publisher of this artcle which gives "TRUE Picture" of Afghnistan..That too in the present scenario where the entire world is seeing with suspecious eyes towards muslims. I would like to see more of this kind... May ALLAH give you the courage and strenght to publish this true article's and protect u from evil-eyes. sincerely anwar anwar |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 60 of 510 ) From Dan C. War Against The Planet Felt compelled to thank you for more middle-eastern history in seven pages than I've seen in one place for ten years. Much food for thought. Deserves wider distribution here in the States for the sake of public discussion. Unfortunately, it would probably only see the light of day in the already marginalized alternative press, who seem to be in the unfortunate position of "preaching to the choir." Dan C., Seattle |
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Prem 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 61 of 510 ) Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra. Admin  9/19/01 7:36:37 PM In response to Kumar's comment above, all I can say is that it shows the ease with which Palestinians get linked together with and stand in for all other Arabs and Muslims. The article clearly talked about Palestinians in Palestine, and why THEY wouldn't be celebrating given the massive Israeli attacks. Your title still accurately captures the significance of the article, which is that the constant replaying of that video clip shapes public opinion in a particular, distorted way. Thank you, Outlook, for a change, going out of the Pakistani fixation that you otherwise seem to suffer from and going all the way to Palestine. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 62 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava It is meaningless and dangerous to declare war against terrorism The Independent Digital The Overlooked Flaw in Retaliation by Harry Browne at Antiwar.com How to defeat bin Laden The U.S. should drop its war rhetoric and convince the Islamic world that he is a dangerous fugitive from justice. By Michael T. Klare at Salon.com The penknife and the bomb : Brute force is not the way to defeat the terrorist threat The Guardian If Bush wants an invasion, it could become more costly than Vietnam Independent Digital (UK) Christians should not charge into 'holy war' SIMON JENKINS of the Lundon Tames WASHINGTON (By Jamie McIntyre CNN) -- America's "new war" against terrorism will be fought with unprecedented secrecy, including heavy press restrictions not seen for years, Pentagon sources said Monday. The domino effect : An attack on Afghanistan could destabilise its neighbours, many of whom already struggle to control their own fundamentalist factions, Ewen MacAskill, The Guardian Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible and the Qur'aan. The preachers dare not, the mullaas dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so tathagat thought he would do it himself... |
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ajax080 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 63 of 510 ) Gen Musharraf is coming accross as a pure oppurtunist this is once again another about turn. Granted that the US created the mess in Afghanistan, but did pakistan have to abet a medivial and obscure regime such as the taliban?? why could pakistan not have used their proximity and influence to have created a democratic and forward looking afghanistan after the withdrawl of the Soviets. The military in Pakistan has a lot to answer for. It is a near sighted jingoistic organisation. Any American strike against afghanistan portends a long period of instability in the region |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 64 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Pentagon recommends use of nuclear weapons : Japan Today. : Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 09:30 JST WASHINGTON — The Defense Department has recommended to President George W Bush the use of tactical nuclear weapons as a military option to retaliate for last week's terrorist attacks in the United States, diplomatic sources said Tuesday. It is unknown whether Bush has made any decision. But military analysts said the president is unlikely to opt for the use of nuclear weapons because doing so would generate rebuke from the international community and could even trigger revenge from the enemy involving weapons of mass destruction. But the Pentagon's suggestion shows the determination of U.S. officials to retaliate for the first massive terrorist attacks on the U.S. mainland, the analysts said. The recommendation appears intended to deter terrorists, they said. On ABC television's THIS WEEK program Sunday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld refused to rule out the use of tactical nuclear weapons. He avoided clearly answering a simple question on whether their use can be ruled out. To a similar question, a Pentagon official also replied, "We will not discuss operational and intelligence matters." According to the diplomatic sources, the Pentagon recommended using tactical nuclear weapons shortly after it became known that an unprecedented number of civilian casualties resulted from the terrorist attacks. Impressions Amid the Winds of War Crusade is a dirty word Key phigures de taalebaaN or who Who Rules the Taliban? by Radio Netherlands' Asia editor Ellen van Dalen, 19 September 2001 |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 65 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava lay off... :), lol..., 'Infinite Justice' or 'Infinite Revenge'? ... 2 hours back Bush the buT'Ton... talked about opportunities... MiddleEast 2 SouthAsia... both Pak and India 'jumping on the opportunity 2 serve the master... as Ma'o bhai said... power phrom the barrel oph the gunn... Shivaani putri interpreting it... shakti talwaar ki teekhi noak de born stuff... our State dept. see the need to be just... in order to be secure... but why ur states were so arrogant... unconcerning, inconsiderate... that is all right now... der aayed duurust aayed... and subah ka bhoola stuff... but they, it seems got to demonstrate their might... no nuke please and urnium depleted munitions... :(, bas ke dushwaar hai har kaam ka aasaaN hona... aadmi ko bhi may'assar nahiN insaaN hona... Robert Green Ingersoll FOREIGN RELATIONS, WAR and PEACE Prime Minister Helen Clark has pledged intelligence support in the global fight against terrorism, but is refusing to enact the Anzus treaty. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 66 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava POWER john lennon 1971 "We're just as responsible as the man who pushes the button. The idea that somebody either is going to give us POWER or has taken our POWER, that somebody has made us go to war or not made us go to war; that God in the sky is a separate thing, that we're separate nations, Religions, whatever. It's all the same garbage. As long as people IMAGINE that someone is doing something to them and they have no control, then they have no control." If you aren't good, Santa won't bring you presents. If you aren't good, government will punish you. If you aren't good, you won't go to heaven. Obedience to a "God" or authority needs interpretation, which really means submission to the POWER of interpreters: their ideas, prejudices and friends. George Orwell 1949: "The object of POWER is POWER" Hunter Thompson 1972: "The currency of politics is POWER" David Halberstam 1978: "Politics is the distillation of POWER". Tolstoy WAR and PEACE 1868 "POWER is the collective will of the people transferred to their ruler. POWER over others in its real meaning, is only the greatest dependence on them." [There is apparently no credible evidence that Hitler ever killed anyone... personally.] TERRORISM: Custer Died For Your Sins Vine Deloria 1969 "America has always been a militantly imperialistic world power eagerly grasping for economic control over weaker nations. The Indian wars of the past should rightly be regarded as the first foreign wars of American history. As the U.S. marched across the continent, it was creating an empire by wars of foreign conquest just as England and France were doing in India and Africa. Certainly the war with Mexico was imperialistic, no more or less than the wars against the Sioux, Apache, Utes and Yakimas. In every case the goal was identical: land. When the frontier was declared officially closed in 1890, it was only a short time before American imperialistic impulses drove this country into the Spanish-American War and the acquisition of America's Pacific Empire began. Also in Central and South America. There has not been a time since the founding of the republic when the motives of this country were innocent. Is it any wonder that other nations are extremely skeptical about its real motives in the world today? No society which has real and lasting values need rely on force for their propagation. The wheel of Karma grinds slowly but it does grind finely. And it makes a complete circle." |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 67 of 510 ) From Vinod Musharraf And The Madrassa Madness Dear Prof. Prashad, I agree with you completely. All major players in this dispute, Osama, the Taliban, President Bush, the BJP and Israel seem to be fanatics. I guess when moderates are unwilling or incapable of being as vocal as the fanatics, fanatics are bound to hold the floor. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 68 of 510 ) From Chet Mehra Musharraf And The Madrassa Madness BJP and taliban? The guy who wrote this is a loony and should be sent awaya to the loony bin. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 69 of 510 ) From Gopal Kamat Musharraf And The Madrassa Madness This piece is astonishing in its bigotry, datedness, and dimwitted marxist viewpoint.. wake up and put the blame where its due - deliberate islamisation, dictatorship and corruption of the pakistanis - both elite and masses.. dont blame the US/ IMF / World Bank for all the problems of pakistan, and dont put the BJP / US religionists into the same basket as the jamaat! The days of megalomania, mass murder by marxist theocracies are now gone.. as for using "dialectics" (sic) who are you trying to kid using such rubbish pseudo theories... wake up and do an honest days job - not in the cosy cocoon of connecticut.. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 70 of 510 ) From Chet Mehra The Clash of Civilisations? Indians are anyway the target of muslim terror tactics from pakistan and now indians specially sikhs are bieng tragetted in usa too. Instead of counselling your own mullahs you are pointing fingers at the USA populace. Insstead checking and counselling your own fanatics, you preach to the choir. Shame on fanatic muslims like u. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 71 of 510 ) From Nakul Shenoy Pictures That Lie Dear Sirs, This is a very informative story, as this may help rest the furore (or further it?) caused by an email alleging the falsity of the video film broadcast by CNN. The initial mail [available at http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/cnn.htm ] alleged that the footage used by CNN was from the 1991 Persian Gulf War footage. This allegation was subsequently retracted later [available at http://uk.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=11546 ] by the original eMailer. Regards, Nakul |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 72 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava An Afghan-American speaks You can't bomb us back into the Stone Age. We're already there. But you can start a new world war, and that's exactly what Osama bin Laden wants. By Tamim Ansary at Salon.com If the United States retaliates against last Tuesday’s terrorist attacks by bombing Afghan cities, among the main victims of a U.S. strike will be the innocent women and children who live in terror under the Taliban government. Afghan Women First Victims of Terrorism : Wendy McElroy, FoxNews. Kashmir rebels back bin Laden, Sheikh Mushtaq, Japan Today, September 20, 2001 at 09:30 JST Secret plans for 10-year war BY MICHAEL EVANS, DEFENCE EDITOR, The Times Generals rule out 'D-Day invasion' Old doctrines for fighting wars, based on lining up tanks and artillery and layers of troops, are being thrown out and replaced by a more subtle and wide-ranging doctrine which seeks to defeat the enemy at its own game. “The aim is not to go for the enemy’s strengths, but its weaknesses,” one source said. American and British planners are working on the basis that military strikes will take place only as part of a broader global counter-terrorist operation, embracing every other type of international action — diplomatic, economic and political... The nuclear threat, Pakistan could lose control of its arsenal BY NIGEL HAWKES, The Times: West's worst scenario Any military action against Muslim terrorists within Afghanistan will have to take account of that, said George Perkovich, a nuclear weapons expert at the W. Alton Jones Foundation in Charlottesville, Virginia, who has specialised in the nuclear arms race between India and Pakistan. A Tale of Two Deliriums by Karen De Coster |
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ashokbas 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 73 of 510 ) There was a picture in Orange County Register (California) today of Pakistani women with toy guns shouting Death to America, Crush America and Taliban Zindabad. Think about the children these women will give birth to. What kind of mentality these children will have? |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 74 of 510 ) From J.K.Reddy Pictures That Lie nonsense. The celebrations are true , may be small group. Devils and evils are always small. But should be eliminated. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 75 of 510 ) From Ashish Vats Will It Work? What does author mean by 'India can tyrannise Kashmir' ..Is he suggesting that Kashmir be declared an independant state or handed over to Pakistan |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 76 of 510 ) From Gautam Khanna Will It Work? This is the most insightful and thought provoking article I have read on all sites combined : www.cnn.com, www.timesofindia.com, www.hindustantimes.com and www.outlookindia.com. I have been watching CNN, Fox News and CNBC everyday. The commentators and their distinguished guests talk more like barbarians than citizens of the civilized world, I wish there were more people on these channels who could think from all angles. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 77 of 510 ) From Amar Saksena Is Musharraf Walking Into A US Trap? It's incredible how Indians will beguile themselves and find any number of excuses in order not to do the dirty work themselves. Taming Pakistan is (was) India's job. We have never had the political will or the gumption to do it. The result is that we have bled for over 20 years and put up with the tantrums of Kashmiris for over 50 years. The US is not interested in ridding India of Pakistan's nuclear threat. It is interested in keeping nuclear India in check. Take a look around you. A growing economy needs energy. The US is the most conspicuous user of the world's resources and a positive guzzler of energy. It is not likely to let a nuclear India pose a threat to its oil lifeline through the Arabian Gulf. I'll wager that Pakistan's nuclear capability will be kept intact as a check to India's future ambitions. |
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yenjvoy 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 78 of 510 ) I have been talking to people and monitoring American print and electronic media since Tuesday, and have watched the situation develop and unfold until today war seems inevitable. A few interesting impressions - 1. Americans truly believe in armed response, and are not even averse to discussing openly the possibility of response with non- conventional weapons. Just the other night there was actually a man on talk radio advocating a response with the secret weapons and technology the government has developed from Area 51's secret Alien investigation program. While the US is not unique in possessing a lunatic fringe, it is remarkable that from top to bottom there is a belief in military might as the answer to terrorism. There is no sign of a realisation that the number of nukes owned by a country does not define how secure it is against terrorist aggression. I am reminded of Gandhi's words - "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind". From the first moment he heard about it, President Bush has been using the word 'war' freely to describe the attack as well as the American response to it. Remarkably the media or other politicians have not made any efforts to urge caution or temperance. Consequently there is a definite momentum of public opinion in favor of revenge and armed response. In any other country, in my opinion, this would be called warmongering. Not here. Interestingly, in Congress, just one person, Barbara Lee, the Congresswoman from Berkeley and Oakland, California has opposed the resolution authorising the President for war. Fully 88% of Americans polled by Gallup have favored war. I cannot help but feel that President Bush has painted himself into a corner with his continuous talk of war, until now he cannot stop the country from going to war even if he wanted. A more experienced politician would have left his options open while rallying the country to overcome the immediate crisis. Today public opinion is firmly behind a military offensive,regardless of the consequences. To that extent, in my opinion Bush and his cabinet must also bear the responsibility for the wave of hate crimes against Arabs, Muslims and generally against all brown people that is sweeping North-east America. Of course there is now a campaign on to prove that Islam is a 'peaceful' religion. |
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yenjvoy 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 79 of 510 ) 2. There are very influential people in the administration, who are talking about changing internal security policies, and expanding the mandate and powers of CIA to aid effective intelligence gathering. These include Armitage, the deputy Sec Def, Don Rumsfeld, the Sec Def, and Attorney General Ashcroft. I am sure Dick Cheney is also firmly behind these proposals. CIA has been trying to dissemble in the face of growing criticism, by claiming that its capabilities are limited because of the over reliance lately on SigInt (Signals Intelligence or Electronic Intelligence gathering) as opposed to HumInt (Human Intelligence or good old spying). The spin doctors, with the blessings of the administration officials, are claiming that some directives from previous presidencies obstruct the CIA from recruiting 'unsavory' characters, and since in terrorist cells everybody is unsavory, the CIA has no intelligence capabilities or 'assets' on the ground, in the tradecraft jargon. This is remarkable again, because it reflects the institutional blindness that prevents these people from seeing how modern Islamic terrorism is a culmination of events set in motion by the CIA's meddling in the middle-east and in the Afghan civil war throughout the last 25 years. This meddling, direct or through its various proxies, like the Mossad, Saudi Intelligence and especially the Pakistani ISI, has resulted in the decimation of Afghanistan and its native culture, and the creation in its place of a state whose goal is the destruction of non-Islamic cultures everywhere. Nowhere is there even an attempt to analyse how Osama bin Laden went from a handpicked ally to one of America's most implacable foes, and what part was played in this by the CIA and by America's own policies of short term alliances of convenience. To me this is yet another example of how monolithic the establishment in this country has become, when even the media does not think about asking these questions out loud. This is not the first time that the CIA has screwed up. Its history is one of failures of mega proportions, including Vietnam, Latin America and now the Middle East. The one big success it claims is the disintegration of the USSR. To my mind the verdict of history is still pending on that one, although Ronald Reagan has been anointed in American history as the Jedi Knight who brought the Evil empire down. The talk about increasing the CIA's powers and expanding its mandate sounds very dangerous however, because there is a collective denial that the CIA is the problem and not the solution. |
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yenjvoy 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 80 of 510 ) 3. Which brings us to Pakistan. That country has charted for itself a course that is bringing it ever closer to a great crisis. Partly, the obsession with India has obscured everything else, whereby life in Pakistan seems suspended while they tackle the problem of India. Also, however, at least partly, the seeds of Pakistan's destruction were present within the movement for its creation. Today, more then ever, I am amazed by the power of propaganda, that allows successive Pakistani governments to blame every failure on India while making grandiose claims about the approaching era of prosperity and triumph. In the context of this crisis, from the American point of view, I can appreciate the careful manner of dealing with Pakistan adopted by President Bush's team. This is driven by the very real fear that isolating Pakistan or confronting it would pit the US against an unstable nuclear powered rogue. Even destabilising the present government might result in the fundamentalist Islamic parties taking over, and gaining control of a nuclear arsenal. I can only hope that, firstly there will be a belated realisation somewhere in the monolithic structure of US policy making, that Pakistan's current nuclear capability is a direct result of the US' wilful ignorance and connivance, and secondly, that there is a recognition that at some point in the future there will be a confrontation with Pakistan, if things stay on course. The US continues to ignore developments in Pakistan at its peril. Pakistan, as it exists today, is on the verge of collapse. Infusions of aid by International agencies are like periodic blood transfusions to what is essentially a terminal patient. Any poor non-democratic country that has to spend 65% of its national income on debt payments and still persists with spending another 25% on defense is bound to end up collapsing on itself at some point. Couple that with the ever present spectre of religion in the national identity of that country, and the recipe for a monumental disaster is complete. Unless the US realises this, and engages Pakistan accordingly, the inevitable collapse of Pakistan is certain, with the equally inevitable backlash against the US. There is a long-standing belief here, among the policy planners, that Pakistan has some kind of a legitimate claim on Kashmir, and if this claim is somehow satisfied, that Pakistan will then abandon its anti-India stance and become a more rational member of the international community. This belief, coupled with the emotional bent of policy planners here, has contributed to a sympathetic tilt towards Pakistan, and disregard for India's complaints of terrorism sponsored by Pakistan. However, because of this sympathy, the ambitions of Pakistan have grown unchecked, and now there is a real threat of a nuclear capable rogue state coming into being, which will be controlled by motivated Islamic fundamentalists. It has been Israel's biggest nightmare since inception, and should rapidly become that of India too. I feel that although it is inevitable that Pakistan and the US will come to a confrontation one day, it is important for India to plan independently in this respect and align with Israel more closely, at both strategic and tactical levels, to counter the growing threat in our backyard. This is because Israel has demonstrated an unshakable resolve to place its national interests before that of the US while remaining closely aligned with the US in all respects. Israel recognises very clearly that ultimately it can rely only upon itself for its own safety, and that reliance upon another to ensure one's own security is naive and dangerous. |
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yenjvoy 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 81 of 510 ) 4. Finally, a few observations about the American character and behaviour under crisis. In Detroit, an Arab restaurant became a target of an e-mail hoax claiming its owners celebrated upon receiving news of the attack in New York on Sept 11. There was an inevitable backlash, with loss of business and safety concerns. The Egyptian born owner kept claiming that he had lived in the US for 25 years and had no sympathy for the terrorists, that there had been no celebration etc. but he was ignored. Then, CNN picked up the story and it got wide publicity. People heard and saw the sincerity of the desperate owner, whose life's work had been unjustly endangered by this wilful hoax. There was a dramatic turnabout the next day - from early in the morning the business was mobbed by well wishing supporters with flowers, apologies and orders for food, so much so that the parking lot was clogged and the man had to turn away business. Not many South Asian media persons picked up this story, although Balbir Singh Sodhi's murder got several days worth of coverage, which says something about selective journalism everywhere. In another incident, a flyer was distributed on Thursday, to every household, throughout the country, to come out with candles and flags at 7 PM on Friday. This was not done by politicians and there was very little publicity on TV or in the papers. On Friday at the given time we stepped out and found people gathered in throngs at crossroads and on the curbside at many places, with lit candles and American flags in all sizes. They waved the flags and passing cars, many with their own flags flying, honked their horns and people made the victory sign and waved to each other happily. Traffic is usually very silent here, but on that day I was reminded of Indian roads with all the honking horns and shouting. It was solemn, but also a spontaneous outpouring of national feeling. And the people stayed out till well past 9 PM. You have to know how seriously Americans take their Friday evenings, to appreciate fully the impact of this. In my mind, I contrasted this image with memories of India in crises - people rioting against innocent Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's death, of cops roughing up and looting people in Bombay in the aftermath of the bomb blasts, and the total lack of any outpouring of public support for victims of any disaster. Here, the bloodbanks are flooded, the aid agencies are turning perishable goods away, and millions will be raised tonight in the beginning of a 3-day telethon for the families for the victims. So this is America, folks, and any people who can do things like this can not be discounted. I hope that while learning the more visible aspects of their culture, like pizzas and hamburgers, blue jeans and t-shirts, rock music and drugs, we can also learn some of this feeling of nationhood, of standing together in adversity. We had it till 1947, and there was another spark in 1977, but we seem to have lost it now. I hope not permanently. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 82 of 510 ) From Nehru Is Musharraf Walking Into A US Trap? India has been telling USA since last 11 years,it cross Boder Terrorism from Pakistan that is resposible for the upheavel in Kashmir. So long America's own interests are not affected it does not pay any heed to woes of other countries. That being the fact I don't think Pakistan is walking in Americas trap. Pakistan is buddy of USA. Time and again it has been proved. Why shoud America bother the Terriorist groups in Pakitan are confined to Kashmir only it serves both the American and Pakisthans self interest. Pakistan is a loyal friend which USA will never like to loose. |
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manu 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 83 of 510 ) ladai ladai maaf karo k............... .... |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 84 of 510 ) From Arif Is Musharraf Walking Into A US Trap? Yet another Indian wet dream! All my life I have sought and prayed for India and Pakistan to not only live in peace but do so as friends and brothers. The reaction of Indian media in recent days has saddened and angered me. Such is the blind hatred for Pakistan that you people (who are, not so secretly) harbouring hopes of Pakistan's destruction, can't see that a destablized Pakistan would become a nightmare of unimaginable proportions for India. If the Pakistani establishment has made anti-India sentiments a cornerstone of its policy, your servile and myopic press has done as much to stoke anti-Pakistan feelings. I doubt if we can be friends anytime soon. A Dissapointed Pakistani anp@hotmail.com |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 85 of 510 ) From Revathi Siva Kumar How Can The US Bomb This Tragic People? This is one of the most brilliant, courageous and superb analysis that I have read in recent times. It articulates much of what I have felt, but unable to express in such simple, accurate terms. It brought tears to my eyes. I hope to read more of the same. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 86 of 510 ) From Vivek Vaishnavi I am an Indian poet residing in Norway. I offer my condolences to the American people in the only manner I know how. September 11, 2001 When I saw the towers tumble I remembered the television experts who said that Children are not too affected By illusionary violence and make believe death. And then before thoughts went silent I thought that this is not a world for poetry. The frantic disbelief of a reporter broke The deafness. And still, the silence was complete. On screen actors should bleed in pints And cars must explode effortlessly. The towers tumbled bloodlessly. I have seen buildings collapsing And fireballs chasing nameless extras down frenzied streets. I have held my breath as a dog made the slow-mo leap to safety. But the good guys always gave it back to ET. And I could walk out purged, squint at the sun, And return to rice, chicken and prime time TV. When the towers tumbled I felt the floor rise and tremble From across an ocean. And I thought that this could not be a world for poetry. I have followed The Great Debate. Limitless Ambition. Satanic Hate. Unending Rage. Divine Retribution. The world is learning to speak again. Voluminously. And great armies are filling their tanks. The towers have tumbled. I must find a new nursery rhyme. The twin towers are falling down. Falling down. Falling down. The twin towers have fallen down, My Fair Lady. How shall we build them up again? Up again? Up again? How shall we build them up again My Fair Lady? Lets build them up with Love and Hope. Love and Hope. Love and Hope. Lets build them up with Love and Hope. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 87 of 510 ) From Jawed Naqvi When Journalists Report For Duty Absolutley, spot on. This madness is widespread. I would say many, if not most mainstream editors in India would go along with the Time maniac. Equally so elsewhere. As a journalist myself, a secular Indian who happens to be a muslim and writing for a newspaper in Pakistan, not seen as kosher for an Indian Muslim, I seem to know the frustrations of the author with rabid jingoism and mindless xenophobia within the media. |
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andy 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 88 of 510 ) The attck on USA brought attention of all the nation to what terrorism is. India is suffering from this for the last 2 decades. All of the NATO countries never paid any attention to this nor in any way they came forward to issue any statements against this. They harbour terrorism and now they are paying the price. They themselves created the demon like Osama and even now they are still supporting the country like Pakisthan who is the driving force behind all the terrorism. USA supported all these activites so that their weapon market should grow and arms race which will benifit them. Now India have golden chance to destroy terrorist supporting nations and facilities. India should go all out and destroy all the Pak sponsored camps in PoK and Pakisthan and Afgan. Except India all the nation respects their citizens. We just issue statements when daily 10-15 peoples die in J&K. Indian PM should issue statement that if any Indian lose his life due to this terrorist attacks we will attack and destroy their camps la Iserel style of hot Pursuit. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 89 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava tathagat is pleased2C so many sane voices in airwaves and underneath electric pulses... papers are atleast 12 hours too late... ...tathagat tribute de Mossoud... real babu tirchhi Topi Waley... guys he used to wear his pakhul tilted to the left... he promised to wear it straight the day he is triumphant... the cape is a symbol for courage and hope for his men, and their banner... Before dubya smokes... some essential Rumi (delay is a relief... coz Poppa papal papacy was in the neighborhood)... he is making sense for a change... hey Brijesh how about George for a terrorist... Aadvaani and Thakray as ones... was India outraged when father of the nation Gaandhi was assassinated by the extreme right wingers, now ruling the roost... ah AfgHaan puttar, greatest of Rishies(the enlightened poets) Rumi... Love is the way messengers/ from the mystery tell us things. Love is the mother. We are her sons. She shines inside us, / visible-invisible, as we trust/ or lost trust, or feel it start to grow again. translated by Coleman Barks. It is your turn now, you waited, you were patient. The time has come, for us to polish you. We will transform your inner pearl into a house of fire. You're a gold mine. Did you know that, hidden in the dirt of the earth? It is your turn now, to be placed in fire. Let us cremate your impurities. ~translated by Shiva. The Taliban and the media, A country with no news or pictures, Reporters Without Borders, September 2000 Roomi born , c. Sept. 30, 1207, Balkh, Ghurid empire [now in Afghanistan] died Dec. 17, 1273 A Tribute to Molana Jalal-e-Din Mohammad Rumi Valuable Media Web sites focusing on Afghanistan |
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umashiv 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 90 of 510 ) US had declared war on the terrorists and the nations which harbour terrorists. It was the initial reaction right after the attack on the US but now after a gap of few days, they have also come to realise that without establishing fully the guilt on Osama Bin Laden, the war will be fruitless. Time heals all wounds and as already so much time has elasped, infinite justice can only be had if the perpetrators of the 11th September's carnage are hunted down and punished sparing the innocents. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 91 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava OPERATION INFINITE ARROGANCE What's in a name? A lot…. ... notion of State Power is over... guys its 'state terrorism' v/s 'group terrorism'... any disgruntled group of 50, 000 or more will make ur ivory towers unsafe...(while Orissa2Qand'har people starve)... in all this the right wingers are exposed... Dubya, Bulldozer, Haider de Austrian and Atom Bomb Vajpayee... are all OBinL as well, and dangerous to the peace de global village... India with its 180 million plus population here... makes this Buddha Desh a largest Muslim populated country... beside being the majority... baboons can't feed its hungry and starved citizen and yet jumping crazy onto de lap-o-Uncle Sam... Dr Roy 2 Advaani the Ayodhiya butcher... Quoting Prez Mush... about defending jehadis... by calling them freedom fighters... but both forgot that a few days prior... ABV talked about Bhagat Singh... i heard him say... they were freedom fighters but the means were not right... One expert on Fox called George Washington a terrorist... for that matter... and leaving choices to hundreds of nation... either with us or terrorist... the way the jaahil cowboy did... was arrogant and fascist in nature... threatening and blackmailing world community... I am sure even Neeru, Naser and Tit'o would have found it hard to make a choice under these circumstances... Dubya is as Atal as ABV... morning he screamed 'Revenge' evening he whispered 'Justice' ... than said 'Crusade'... than said errr... lol... his obvious ignorance of even words, let alone HOS names and Capitals... and their repercussions... than ur Infinite Justice reduced to 'Enduring Freedom'... whatever happened to 'Operation Noble Eagle'? expression such as 'Smoke' and 'wanted dead or alive' were sheer Bush'ism... Bioterrorism: The Next Threat? BY MICHAEL D. LEMONICK, TheTime.com On the brink of war : Now what? Letters2theGuardian What should you do if your flight is hijacked? Will killing or capturing Osama bin Laden make any difference? And is anywhere safe now? A fortnight after the attacks on America, these are the questions preoccupying many of us. Guardian experts offer some answers... In wake of crisis, idiocy sets in : Tony Norman, post-gazette.com the PeaceMaker Speak : The Kansas City Star : Americans need more vigilance on biological terrorism PS: tathagat is worried and sad at the plight of poor AfgHaan people... the women and children... the old and the sick... and all these brave compassionate women of BBC, CNN, ABC, NBC and the rest... India is full of caste ridden baboons without any compassion or respect for their own people... so tathagat won't seek their help... instead he calls upon Tata and Bata and Prem Jiis... and likes to help ease their plight... |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 92 of 510 ) From Jaafar Husain Revenge Comes Home Thank you. |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 97 of 510 ) NUKE AFGANISTAN , NUKE PAKISTAN . DESTROY BOTH THESE COUNTRIES , KILL ALL THE RASKELS LIVING THERE and the world will be free from the virus of terrorism . |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 98 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The end of liberty Law enforcement officials are taking advantage of the war on terrorism to get everything they ever wanted. SalonMag.com Islam in Britain : Dossier lists 100 hate attacks on Muslim targets, BY SAM LISTER@TheLundonTames.com An anti-war movement is starting to build across the United States, Duncan Campbell@The Guardian Wednesday September 26, 2001. US allies are killers and drug dealers, By Rahul Bedi in New Delhi phaar The Telegraph, London Two stories by CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA, TOI @ AntiWar.Com, how cum Outlook not there??? "All existence is choice; only in aloneness there is no choice. Choice, in every form, is conflict. Contradiction is inevitable in choice; this contradiction, inner and outer breeds confusion and misery. To escape from this misery, gods, beliefs, nationalism, commitment to various patterns of activities become compulsive necessities. Having escaped, they become all important and escape is the way of illusion; then fear and anxiety set in. Despair and sorrow is the way of choice and there is no end to pain. Choice, selection, must always exist as long as there is the chooser, the accumulated memory of pain and pleasure, and every experience of choice only strengthens memory whose response becomes thought and feeling. Memory has only a partial significance, to respond mechanically; this response is choice. There is no freedom in choice. You choose according to the background you have been brought up in, according to to your social, economic, religious conditioning. Choice invariably strengthens this conditioning; there is no escape from this conditioning, it only breeds more suffering. [...] Choice is always breeding misery. Watch it and you will see it, lurking, demanding, insisting and begging, and before you know where you are you are caught in its net of inescapable duties, responsibilities and despairs. Watch it and you will be aware of the fact. Be aware of the fact; you cannot change the fact; you may cover it up, run away from it, but you cannot change it. It is there. If you will let it alone, not interfering with it with your opinions and hopes, fears and despairs, with your calculated and cunning judgements, it will flower and show all its intricacies, its subtle ways and there are many, its seeming importance and ethics, its hidden motives and fancies. If you will leave the fact alone, it will show you all these and more. But you must be choicelessly aware of it, walking softly. Then you will see that choice, having flowered, dies and there is freedom, not that you are free but there is freedom. You are the maker of choice; you have ceased to make choice. There is nothing to choose. Out of this choiceless state there flowers aloneness. Its death is never ending. It is always flowering and it is always new. Dying to the known is to be alone. All choice is in the field of the known; action in this field always breeds sorrow. There is the ending of sorrow in aloneness." From Krishnamurti's Notebook (written 1961/62), Harper & Row , 1984; ISBN 0-06-064795-7 Media talk : Your chance to cut through the shrouds of spin and debate the latest developments in the media. Have your say on everything that moves in medialand from the continuing ratings war between the BBC and ITV, to the latest attempts by media companies - old and new - to get noticed and be profitable. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 99 of 510 ) From D.M.Deanda THIS IS MY RESPONSE (POINT BY POINT) TO THE ESSAY AND WIDLEY CIRCULATED E-MAIL TITLED "THE BELLY TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE" BY TAMIM ANSARY. FOR YOUR OPINION SECTION. THANK YOU. *********************** 0. A terrorist government by nature represents a minority that have been able to seize territory with ease BECAUSE its people are weak. 1. This "writer-propagandist" is an Afghani-American writer? Right there, he has split his identity and is evident throughout his "writing." 2. The millions of people in Afghanistan (though poor) do not support America or its values. No muslim country does that I have seen. I do not consider these people "innocent." They are to use his words: thugs taken over by thugs. 3. He says he "thought about the issues especially hard" (because he is Afghani). What is there to think about? We were attacked and we will respond to an attack. ".where it looks from where he is standing"??? He is currently standing in the United States of America! 4. He makes comparisons to WWII. He says the Afghani people are like the poor German and the poor Jew and makes a point that this Hitler guy and his Nazi buddies are the bad ones - not us [the Afghani people]. Well, you know how we answered the German question! We don't say, "well these people that we and other countries will be bombing are poor, we have to handle Hitler (i.e. Bin Laden and terrorism) with kid gloves. That didn't work. 5. He makes the point that Bin Laden is not Afghani. Hitler was not German! Scipio was not African. Cortez was not Incan. The current monarchy in the United Kingdom are not English - they have German ancestors! Is Bin Laden therefore untouchable? Oh.. okay... we forgive you. The point is a small minority (but still significant percentage of the population in Afghanistan) harbors him, feed him, clothe him, work for him, die for him. 6. This "writer-propagandist" minimizes Bin Laden's power. "Thug" and "political criminal" and "monster" are not accurate. A dime-store robber is a thug. Noriega was a political criminal... Bin Laden is a mass murderer of innocent Americans for reasons that begin with his hate and contempt for freedom and end with his fervent desire to perpetuate his own diabolical agenda. He is not a member of a "cult," he is a member of a wide-reaching organization, spanning several countries, including Saudi Arabia - with people trained professionally in our own country. The Moonies couldn't have accomplished this. "Ignorant psychotics?" Oh, he has a mental disorder now. Does that mean we should treat him? Is Bin Laden just stupid? 7. He says Bin Laden has "a plan." What did he mean? He does not address this. What's the plan? We know. 8. He makes the point that Bin Laden took over Afghanistan in 1997. This is not relevant. Castro took Cuba (with our assistance, mind you) within a few short years of the Bay of Pigs. There are many, many other examples. 9. Did he actually say, "when you think Afghanis - think Jews?" Wow. Now that's a first. They have nowhere to hide, so the last resort is to compare themselves to the Jews... I bet the moslems of the world didn't care less about the suffering of the Jews during that time. It's religion and an unwillingness to move forward in society as it progresses that's gotten us into all this mess. contd. on next... |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 100 of 510 ) contd. from previous 10. Afghanis are "victims?" We cannot reward a complacent people when their leader attacks American soil (for the first time!) This should provide the incentive they always needed to rise up against their captor. But we have seen recently in the press that loads of Afghanis are fleeing the country because they do not want to be attacked. I see now... cowardice runs rampant (so to speak) in the Afghani territory. Actually, this is what people do (flee the country) when they are subjected to such a "monster." They leave. But they didn't entertain the idea BEFORE this mess. Must have been happy with their way of life. Oh well... bye bye. 11. "Disabled orphans." Boo hoo. 12. He makes the point that if we bomb, the Taliban "would slip away and hide." However, he says the only way to get the Taliban is "with ground troops." As Americans, we all know what this means. We know what it meant in WWII and Vietnam. It is true - the loss of American lives. First, I do believe that the "writer-propagandist" thinks of a ground-war with "fear and trembling" because he and his Afghani people are cowards. Americans are not. HE makes reference to a "media pundit!!!" His entire language is about cowardice! Second, wouldn't the Taliban know of approaching ground troops well in advance and "slip away and hide?" You bet. I say surprise the bastards, then perhaps go in, if there's anything left to destroy. 13. The "writer-propagandist" is not up to date on his current events. A ground war with Afghanistan could not only begin in Pakistan. And if it did, Pakistan is supporting America in any way they can, I heard last. Sorry! History has proven that you don't actually have to "conquer" Pakistan or any other land to move through their territory. In fact, at the last minute, we flew over Pakistan with ease to get to Afghanistan after the Embassy bombings. 14. And here's his big threat: "muslim nations won't stand by" when and if we do move troops in! Ha ha! Is it clear enough now? That was his last stand, his trump card, his checkmate. NOT! 15. He and Bin Laden see this as a potential war with islam and the west. The "writer-propagandist" advises to check out Bin Laden's "speeches and statements." Well if that doesn't take all! You do the math, "folks." 16. And finally, there are certain words that appear in the English language that are obviously not derivative of that language when used in a certain context, such as "do we have the [belly] to wage a war... etc." This is arab derivative, and this "writer-propagandist" uses the word "belly" five (5) times in this piece. It just makes me wonder. Sounds like an invitation to me. Sounds like a last minute threat before the guy with the loaded gun shoots the fearful and trembling coward between the eyes. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 101 of 510 ) From Abhishek Pandey Revenge Comes Home Congratulations!!!! For writing something, just for the heck of it. Just because America hit cruise missiles on Iraq and innocent people got killed, doesn’t make Iraq right. "They" are harboring terrorists and are involved in destructive activities themselves and justifying their act to illiterate people in their county, in the name of god. Hate crimes are wrong and it is frustrating to live in an alien country, but you always have to be ready, for being ill treated by some short tempered, dumb a**holes in an extra ordinary situation like this. And what to you expect from Bush? To take a gun and kill every goddamn American who opens his mouth against any Hindu, Sikh, Arab or Muslim immigrant? All those people involved in the hate crimes are being arrested and prosecuted and no one is giving them medals. Talking about racism, India is the biggest racist country. North Indians hate south Indians, Punjabis hate gujratis, northeastern guys hate other tribes, Brahmins hate harijans, marathis hate bhaiyas and biharis, you dont marry outside the fourth, fifth, whatever subcaste within your caste, forget about anything else. Media bias? It only shows what people want to see. There is anger everywhere and what is coming out is what people want to see. Bush is giving melodramatic speeches on television and that’s exactly what people want. The mass doesn’t have personal anger against any community and they didn’t even know if there was even a country existed named Afghanistan. America bashing seems to be your hobby although I believe you are in States and you really are enjoying living here, away for the creepy and dusty life in India. You must be having an excellent career, BS ing against people, culture and lifestyle, which you are enjoying at the fullest. Also such writing gives a soothing relief to the sarkari babus sitting in a chai dhaba in the peak office hours and reading your crappy writing discussing war situations and passing another day by not doing anything productive. You know what, if you really want to write, write about issues like: -Why Indians in general are corrupt -Why population control schemes are not working - Why every person in Delhi or any major city as a matter of fact is ready to cut your throat or snatch your purse - Why there is no right way of getting things done in India - Why every desi male wants to strip naked every women he sees - Why people are so inconsiderate and inhumane in big towns - Why everyone talks about progress of the nation all the time, without doing anything - Why do people have servant kids in their home, when they always talk about the issue of child labor - Why do people pay for getting their girl married. These are just few and if you really search, you’ll find millions of issues like this. So please stop bull shitting, ma'm. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 102 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava History of Terrorism, July 22nd 1946. who says terrorism doesn't pay? Jewish extremists, led by future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, blow up Jerusalem's King David Hotel, headquarters for the British Army in Palestine. Ninety die. The bombing helped lead to the creation of the Jewish state two years later. (end) "You have always caused blows to Iran's interests. How dare you request help ... in order to attack the innocent Muslim nation of Afghanistan which has suffered and which is our neighbour." For the first time since 11 September there were chants of "Death to America" from the audience – which included many disabled veterans – during the Ayatollah's address. Since the atrocities the chants have not been heard in Tehran during the normal Friday prayers. But President Khatami criticised President Bush yesterday, telling Tehran University students: "A powerful human being can become so arrogant that he thinks he can distinguish between good and evil on his own." President Khatami strongly attacked Mr Bush for his remarks about a "crusade" against terrorism and for saying, as Dr Khatami put it, that "those who are with us are against terrorism, those who are against us are terrorists". This smacked of "Machiavellianism" and carried the danger of a clash between civilisations dominating geopolitics. This accusation came after Jack Straw and the European Union delegation who visited the President on Tuesday had gone out of their way to stress that this was precisely what the West wanted to avoid. What Islamic terrorists are really afraid of is women By Boris Johnson, Telegraph, London Manila Says Told by US War Could Last Two Years (Reuters) Q&A: Nato's anti-terror role : Michael Evans, Defence Editor of The Times. Neither infinite nor enduring, By AMRITA SHAH, IE |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 103 of 510 ) From Prince Chaudhuri DANGEROUS MISTAKE "Make no mistake....." Famous words from U.S. President George W. Bush, illustrating America's resolve in punishing the terrorists of the world. Who is America talking about? The United States and the EU is making the Biggest Mistake by supporting Pakistan - 'The Cockpit of Global Terrorist Activity'. The Taliban was created in Pakistani Madrassas or Islamic Schools, preaching violence, and barbaric customs & practices. Pakistan is a Country, where Women are murdered by their Fathers, Husbands & even their children, in the name of - 'HONOUR KILLINGS'. Architects of Kargil, and two disastarous wars against India, they have harboured,abetted & trained terrorists for the past twenty years, in an unholy war in Kashmir, Punjab and elsewhere. These are part of a global terrorist network, that is responsible for the murderous attack on the WTC & the Pentagon. Conveniently, however, the U.S & the EU today are falling over themselves to placate Pakistan for the use of bases to launch an attack on Bin Laden & the Taliban. Any High School student in India could tell the Military Planners in the Pentagon that the root of the Problem lies in Pakistan and not in Afganistan. Instead of wasting Billions of Dollars in a war where countless soldiers & innocent civilians will be killed, it would be prudent to warn Pakistan to Stop funding & harbouring terrorists, close all Terrorists training camps, hold elections, & return Pakistan occupied Kashmir(POK) to India. Ignoring India's genuine concerns and re-arming Pakistan is a 'DANGEROUS MISTAKE'. The War on terrorism can never be won by arming one country, ignoring all its crimes against another country, removing all sanctions, and providing unconditional aid, simply because the target is another country or another wanted man. Afterall Osama Bin Laden is a creation of the ISI & the CIA. With Pakistan's turbulent history of coups & countercoups, its belligerent India-centric attitude, it is obvious that India, the World's Largest Democracy and a Nuclear Power is better placed to aid the U.S., EU & the world in the long, risky& uncertain War on terrorism |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 104 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava New terror to freedom A Hidden Enemy Lies in Wait on Afghan Soil Warriors tread warily in footsteps of Alexander Saudi Royal Politics Are Quicksand for U.S. "When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind." J. Krishnamurti, "Freedom from the Known," pp.51-52 *** "All authority of any kind, especially in the field of thought and understanding, is the most destructive, evil thing. Leaders destroy the followers and followers destroy the leaders. You have to be your own teacher and your own disciple. You have to question everything that man has accepted as valuable, as necessary." J. Krishnamurti, "Freedom from the Known," p.21 *** Bush Bin Bush... Button Bin Bush... Bandar-e-aazam de Imrika and Tony in bad company Blair... learning themselves for the first time perhaps... stating categorically that Islam mean Peace... and enlightening the other baboons... but here a kal ka chhorraa.. tell us on behalf of his gobar chhaap Hindu fanatic hoodlums... that 'India does not equate Islam with terrorism'... (baRii meharbaani!) to the 24 Arab and Central Asian countries at a meeting at New Delhi, Sep 28. chhoTa muNh aur baRii baat... |
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asim 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 105 of 510 ) I think being muslims we beleive that this act of tararisum is not allowed in Islam.Whoever did this are not muslims. But what is the falt of inocent afganies they have no food to eat and no work to done and now if us attack there they will be completely distroyed.I think we should make some alternative plane to shute the culprets in afganistan. ASIM ZAFAR |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 106 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava 21st Century Warfare Edit... What Muslim would write: 'The time of fun and waste is gone'? by Robert Fisk 29 September 2001 She is now regarded by Afghans as the one foreigner who understands them best. They call her "The Grandmother of Afghanistan... Heat, dust and hunger in a sanctuary from hell By Raymond Whitaker in Peshawar 29 September Cry of the hungry hawks grows louder : Hardliners have had enough of the restraint orchestrated by Colin Powell, writes Gay Alcorn. smh.com.au Guerrilla War Mao Tse-tung On Guerrilla Warfare 1. What Is Guerrilla Warfare? Guerrilla Warfare : a webcast... "Please excuse me, the following is from the bowels of my mind. If it offends you, shoot me, I don't know what else to do with it except give it to you. Regards, bob twice. "Power comes from the barrel of a gun," said Chairman Mao, but the medium of transmission of that power is our fear; a gun has no power over someone who is not afraid of death. We are afraid of death, and therefore we are afraid of power, so we seek power for ourselves but deny it, and live in conflict and contradiction. As I write this, the world is still in shock, a few days after the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon in America. So far, it does not seem to have dawned on anyone that it is not possible to impose justice, retribution, or vengeance on people who have already died for their own cause. In the case of the perpetrators of these acts, it does not seem to me that they have conquered the fear of death. On the contrary, it is just that fear which leads them into a belief in the after-life, for which the are then prepared to die. But we in the west are not much better off. Our causes are democracy, freedom, our country, and we too are prepared to die to protect our life. We call it noble self-sacrifice, and so do the terrorists, and each looks for security in the greater fear of the other. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 107 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava conclding part... It seemed somehow excessive to liken perpetrator to victim after I wrote the above, but the very next day, the American president was quoted as saying, "The American people understand that this crusade is going to take some time." Now a crusade is a holy war, and the only question remaining is whether it is the Christian God or Mammon, the God of free trade, that the Americans are fighting for. What is clear is that `crusade' and `jihad' refer to the same conflict and function in the same way. Seeing the images of destruction on the television, there is a certain sense of excitement, like watching a disaster movie. For a moment my own fear is aroused and I feel more alive, but the more real it becomes to me, the more I start to want to get away from my fear and seek for security. I then want someone to make sure this never happens again – that is, never happens to me. For some reason, millions dying of AIDS in Africa doesn't affect me nearly as much as a few thousand dying in a terrorist attack in New York. It's a question of identification; or perhaps it's the amount of coverage. The same paper that had eight pages on the American disaster had three lines saying that six million people, most of them children are expected to die of AIDS in South Africa in the next so many years. In terms of dead bodies, that's the twin-towers every day for about three and a half years. Now there's an enemy worth fighting - there's a horror and outrage worth feeling! All authority rests on the threat of violence and so depends on fear. If I have genuine respect for you, real affection, then I will freely and happily co-operate with you, there is no need for authority and I am not acting from fear, but government does not work like this, it acts from fear, and acts on fear. Thus it acts to increase fear. The attraction of authority for the individual is that it seems to offer security; in fact it only increases insecurity, but this is never immediately apparent. The authority of religion is no different in this respect to the authority of government, as my own inner conflict is no different from the conflict of the world. The gun is an obvious phallic symbol, as are both the aeroplanes and the towers they penetrated, and the symbolic emasculation of the world by its own excess of symbolic penises is a devastating affront to all those who identify themselves with that particular form of male status symbol. But if we are looking at male sexual posturing, where is the female? Fear and desire, sex and violence, male and female, these things are all intertwined; there is no such thing as left without right. Any offers, mesdames? |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 108 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The Bombing of the King David Hotel History of Terrorism, abcnews July 22nd 1946: who says terrorism doesn't pay? Jewish extremists, led by future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, blow up Jerusalem's King David Hotel, headquarters for the British Army in Palestine. Ninety die. The bombing helped lead to the creation of the Jewish state two years later. The Military Struggle for a Jewish State Israeli Terrorism/ Facts and Figures (1) Zionist terrorism: a strategy for State-making and ideological underpinnings by Khalil Osman Israeli Terrorism/ Facts and Figures (2), ISRAEL”S SACRED TERRORISM ISRAEL”S SACRED TERRORISM Killing Civilians: Behind the Reassuring Words : Norman Solomon's Column @ Media Monitors Network oh so Gary Hart had clearly warned of this all... two years ago, |
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RakeshPR 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 112 of 510 ) We talk and think a lot. Its time just to act now. If BJP cannot do that no other government can. Go ahead and take them all out. We are behind you. SOME SPINELESS POLITICIANS JUST WANT TO BE IN THE NEWS. IGNORE THEM. First eliminate all elements of harm from outside, then we will need to a lot of cleaning from inside. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 113 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava the gobar chaaps r makin' a fool of themselves and making a mess of foreign policy as about everything else... the Hijack drama 2 jaswant's hand shake spree... first bungled up job for Shahnawaaz... isn't India exposed of its misery... disorganized as ever... laughing stock of the globe... wonder when ur patience run out on all these goof ups and bungling... but before that happens people's patience will be over... loll... enuff is enuff... do a favor to this country... resign... quit... leave... Forget Kashmir for now, says US :Rising tensions between India and Pakistan over Kashmir threaten to undermine the US-led war against terror. By Christopher Kremmer, Herald Correspondent in Islamabad THE INCOMPETENCE OF EMPIRE : Behind the 'intelligence failure' that led to 9/11 U.S. War Strategy Seeks to Minimize Use of Bases in Fragile Pakistan Michael R. Gordon and Eric Scmitt New York Times Service, IHT Like the Taliban, America’s Middle East Allies Tyrannize Gays and Women Hate Crimes by Michelangelo Signorile, @ VillageVoice.com, US troops ready to fly to Afghan border By Lutz Kleveman of London Telegraph in Tashkent (Filed: 04/10/2001) The Crusades crusaders seen from an Islamic point of view. Web Links to Hiroshima H I R O S H I M A : WAS IT NECESSARY? |
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gigabyte 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 114 of 510 ) Even though its a bit inhumane to think about Sept 11 as an opportunity, however I feel the Sept 11 attack on WTC and Pentagon only helps India. For long the US chosen ones have been refering to the terrorism being waged in Kashmir as violence, finally we have seen them calling it "Terrorism in Kashmir". Thats just the first step forward. India can now play the pressure game on Pakistan. Even the bomb attack on the J&K assembly was a peice of bad strategy and bad timing. It couldnt have come at a worst time for Musharraf. He now has the unenviable task of laying off for sometime. He is in full glare of International media and one wrong step on this thin wire game can cost him darely. India should learn from a machiavellian US government, who can go to any extent for saving their own interest. Its been a high time we have been worrying about international opinions and compromising on our security and our integrity. The proxy war is being waged on our land not on an internationally owned peice of scrapyard. Though international opinion is important we should be more aggressive when it comes to defending our homeland and our people. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 115 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava We will never be sacrificed, vows Sharon By Alan Philps and Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem (Filed: 05/10/2001) What Can We Do About Terrorism? by Harry Browne October 5, 2001 Over 60 conservative(yuck!) columnists at your fingertips Little Cyrus, big catch : Rooma Mehra The danger of liberal imperialism, Blair's vision of a new world order is a moral absurdity based on colonial delusion... Hywel Williams Thursday October 4, 2001 The Guardian The Bushes and the Palestinians: Act 2 AntiWar.Com KU KLUX COULTER A spat on the Right reveals a lot Behind the Headlines by Justine Raimondo @ antiWar.com 'Bin Laden bought nuclear weapons' by Jeremy Campbell, thisislondon.com Russian Airliner: Missile Strike Unlikely Explanation 2130 GMT, 011004 Summary Investigators are seeking explanations for the mid-air explosion of a Russian airliner over the Black Sea on Oct. 4. Several hypotheses -- including terrorism or an accidental strike by a Ukrainian air defense missile -- circulated within hours of the explosion. Moscow has room to pin this crash on any of a number of potential perpetrators, possibly manipulating the tragedy for its own ends. Analysis... FBI, CIA Warn Congress of More Attacks As Blair Details Case Against Bin Laden Retaliation Feared If U.S. Strikes Afghanistan By Susan Schmidt and Bob Woodward Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, October 5, 2001 |
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nobody 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 116 of 510 ) DEAR OSAMA B. LADEN ******************* Dear osama, When you got trained by US-a non islamic country according to you-was it not an enemy of islam?Now perhaps the definition of 'Islam's enemy'has been redifined and hence US is on your hitlist today! You basterd! what do you think of yourself? Actually US is not the enemy it is you the enemy No.1.One should appreciate your talent in misusing ALLAH for your sadistic pleasure.I pity the poor chap Allah.He has become a pawn in your hand! No faith has ever preached violence.Humanityis the base of all the faiths.You are making Islam the new synonym of haterd and violence.Allah will not spare you.He may be helpless for timebeing.But time will definitely come when you will be begging for mercy from Allah!Mind it. Bear it in mind that Islam is not a weak faith which needs a bastard like you to make others to fall in its line. Despite all these things I love you! Because I am a Muslim and being so I never hate to love my enemy and that is Islam which is all about love. O.K. that's all for now. See you in the Hell. |
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maulana 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 118 of 510 ) Sorry President Bush!You have finally fallen in the trap laid by Osama. By attacking Afghanistan, you have done exactly what Osama wanted you to do. While your missiles and bombers carpet the nation with the death, his cameramen would be busy taking clips of 'an infidel's brutality on Muslims' which would be used to ignite the sentiments of the muslims thoughout the world and would lead to polarisation of the nations and people of the world on the religious lines paving the way for the ultimate jehad, the WW-III , exactly what Osama wants. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 119 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava A 'Netwar' Clash, By David Ignatius Sunday, October 7, 2001; Washinton Post What does seem likely is that we are witnessing the first "netwar." That phrase is drawn from a fascinating paper that was posted on the Internet last week by David Ronfeldt and John Arquilla of Rand. (It can be found at www.firstmonday.org.) Déjŕ Vu: The FBI's Assault on Civil Liberties, By Ronnie Gilbert @ counterpunch.org The world has been in ferment since September 11, but why weren't there similar outcries at earlier atrocities? John Pilger, Thursday October 4, 2001 The Guardian Death calls three times, Artyom Borovik a soldier's story, The Lundon Tames Afghanistan from the Inside, A British physician describes the appalling state of Afghan healthcare, BY KATE NOBLE @ Time Infinitely brutal, BY BEN MACINTYRE, The Tames Afghanistan has been invaded numerous times since the days of Alexander the Great. But as the West prepares for military intervention, it is perhaps worth remembering that a war never ends here; it merely evolves and mutates. Here we trace the tangled and violent history of the land that, yet again, has become the focus of world attention When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling Mullah Omar - in his own words,Wednesday September 26, 2001 The Guardian : This 12-minute interview with Mullah Omar Mohammad, the Taliban leader, was conducted in Pashtu for the publicly-funded radio channel Voice of America. The broadcast was pulled last Friday, following objections from the US deputy secretary of state and senior officials of the National Security Council. |
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anony730 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 120 of 510 ) Oil politics(and superpower officials mishandling of issues/and confused religious fanaticism) can lead to terrorism,fear of life,uncertainity for world and innocent deaths.Only possible in reality,who knows of other hidden variables/causes of terrorist game.Oil politics should be connected to nexus of whitecollar policy makers and corporate benefiters.Now mishandling of issues and inefficiency in human intelligence in protecting own people by both sides are being marketed in media as terrorism and religious fights. Why cant usa setup a world coilation to regulate oil prices/incidents in middle east,to see peace in middle east, and responsible to get terrorists as it has set up against terrorism now and put its soldiers at back home.East/west can decide these issues in forums.Islamic fundamentalists will have no reason to flare emotions.Attacks on any side will lead to a cycle of attacks and both parties stand to lose in long term.And lot of hidden forces will take benefit of enemity of both sides.War / attacks lead to not only terror,but also hatred/poision in hearts of people.Leaders should understand that and get to basics of problems.Human egos/psyche/emotions is imperfect and can be manipulated by outsiders for own benefits in a two party fight.And the day of attack showed that a superpower secret intelligence couldnot prevent lifes of its innocent people against terrorist attacks which are result of earlier policies of their government.And global economy,financial system can be destabilised by few terrorist attacks in a country.Let it be responsibilty of same east/west ciolation to prevetnt usa against future attacks against a shadowy enemy. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 121 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Latest reports on Beeb from major cities of Afghanistan say multiple US missile strikes have damaged Taleban offices and airports. Rahimullah Yusufzai from Peshawar (RealAudio) Text of Osama bin Laden's statement, DUBAI, Oct 7 (AFP) - Monday October 8, 6:33 AM Robert Fisk: War disturbs the most dangerous political tectonic plate in the world 08 October 2001 WARTIME MADNESS, A world gone bonkers @ AntiWar.Com Tony Blair: The Mad Bomber of Kabul, Tony Blair has finally lost the plot Terrorism and Blind Faith in Government by James Bovard US gave silent blessing to Taliban rise to power: analysts WASHINGTON, Oct 7 (AFP) - 'The Afghans will strike the heart of America' War on Terrorism: Arab Nations' Reaction By Leyla Linton @ the independent 08 October 2001 |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 122 of 510 ) From Arish K Sahani 'There Is No Terrorist Group In Pakistan' If Islam can produce people like Mushraff as We had Mohammad before the world is bound to be in trouble. God bless america and The world. It looks like Mwshraff has a capecity to lie a lot and live with that . I hope he gets some natural sleep. Pakistanis deserve leader like this who started a Kargil and toppled the govt and now planning to rule the pakistan with iran hand. Good LUck to pakistani public. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 123 of 510 ) From Sanjiv Desai Blind To A Fault Dear Mr. Raman, I think your article is one of the finest and most comprehensive pieces I have so far read by anyone about this whole "cowboy" type reaction of the US to what happened on September 11th. I truly wish there was some way for us to ensure that the think tanks in the Bush-Powell-Rice-Rumsfield quartet cold be made to read, assess and act on your analysis. Otherwise, I'm really scared of what an ignorant nation like the US in retaliatory "heat" could end up doing to this part of the world - another Israel-Palestine like situation. I shudder to even consider a future like that for us in India. I complement you once again on a masterful analysis. I hope you keep writing such pieces and will try my best to get it circulated amongst all my friends and family in the US to see if they can get some recognition from those in the US Government who might be able to use valuable analysis like this. All the best |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 124 of 510 ) From Dharmesh Blind To A Fault Hello Sir This excellent story and I belive that this was result of deep research and contribution of true Indian, please keep writing and if you can find a way to get this type of facts to american people who think their president will send some "rambo" and get this job done. When thousands are killed in J&K they say its India's internal matter and now when they tasted this poison they want every one around to choose their allies. Is this what we can expect from so called superpower of the world and even before the so called war against terror yet to start I see them shaking and using Northern Alliance in Afganistan as their shields,,, Take care my Raman and keep writing the facts |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 125 of 510 ) From Ashraf Blind To A Fault Hello: You Indians have a short memory. What Indians did in Bangla Desh is coming to haunt. Pakistanis will have to avenge the break up of Pakistan. I am proud of ISI who are trained by CIA to go get the Indians in Kashmir. Its too late for Indians to claim to be an ally of USA as Pakistanis have been ally of USA for last 50 yrs. Too bad the Russians are broke and broken super power. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 126 of 510 ) From Vinod John Western Civilization? Brilliant insight provided by Noam Chomsky as usual. Thanks to outlook to letting the world know! |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 127 of 510 ) From Anonymous ISRAEL ATTACKED AMERICA!!! As shocking as it may sound, the above stated statement is true! CNN and other Media networks bombard us with facts that are carefully sandwiched between conclusions. Since an average viewer does not have the ability to constantly separate facts from conclusions, there comes a time when he begins to consume the entire discourse as a fact. This is something Noam Chomsky called "manufacturing consent." To pin-point who is behind the bombing, one must separate the facts in the news, from the conclusions that are being drawn by analysts. Try asking yourself these questions ... · Who would like to bomb USA? United States is one country that has a very long list of enemies, so this question does not help us in pin pointing the attacker. Who has the capacity to do it? Out of very this very long list of enemies, there are very few who are capable of planning an executing an action on such a large scale with this kind of success. The sheer scale of the attack rules out the possibility of this action being carried out "freelance militants" (like Bin Laden) and independent militant organizations (like Islamic Jihad and Hamas). The world has seen the capacity in which these organizations and these individuals operate and it is nothing even close to what we are witnessing in New York and Washington. Usama bin Laden attacked USS Cole. Sinking a destroyer requires planning and resources that were not within the capacity of this man. He was able to blast a hole through the ship but could not sink it. It doesn't not make sense to conclude that one man, who could not sink a destroyer, will succeed in destroying two large buildings in the heart of New York, successfully hijack at least four aircrafts and bomb highest military office in United States, cause a nationwide breakdown and make United States President go into hiding. contd. in next |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 128 of 510 ) contd. from previous Similar conclusion can be drawn of other "independent" militant organizations. It is true that some extremist militant organizations in Middle East would like to see this happen but we must keep in mind that these organization hate Israel more than they hate United States. If they could do something of this level they would have done it to Israel first. Militant attacks against Israel have so far been a few suicide bombings, most of whom in which the death toll could never exceed 100. These organizations, that failed to kill a hundred people (or even close to that figure) in Israel, would be able to deliver such a devastating blow to a super power, miles away, in another continent. The only logical conclusion is that the action was carried out by a "nation state" that has a history of conducting very complicated, undercover operations. No one has claimed responsibility for it Politically motivated violence is different from general crime because in the former, the perpetrator publicly admits that he was responsible for the act. It is in his interest to claim responsibility for his action because acts of violence are basically intended to send a warning or a message to the enemy. In the absence of this warning or the message, the cause of the attack itself is defeated. When an act of politically motivated violence is followed by silence and no one steps forward to claim responsibility then we should understand that something is wrong. Things are not what they appear to be. This was the case in WTC bombing. All of United States traditional enemies, who have in past claimed responsibility for their attacks on their enemies have Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Talibaan Usama bin Laden, all of denied and condemned the attack. Furthermore we should notice that in the News so far, no evidence has been publicly revealed that would point out that the attacks were carried out by Usama bin Laden. All we are told is that "experts" believe that Usama bin Laden is responsible. contd in next |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 129 of 510 ) cont. from previous One should ask, that in the absence of any solid evidence, how can these "experts" come to such a conclusion. · Who will benefit from it? So far the only party that seems to be benefiting from the present scenario is Israel. It was the term "Islamic terrorism" that gave Israel legitimacy in her war against Palestinians. In the last few years a series of incidents took place that diluted the "psychological impact" of the term. First, photographs of children getting killed in Middle East by Israeli troops gave this country a strong negative image. Secondly, the recent withdrawal of Israel from the International Racism Conference further damaged its world wide image. In the light of these incidents, something was needed to revive the meaning of the term "Islamic Terrorism", the term that has given Israel the only legitimacy in their war. HOW CAN EHUD BARAK APPEAR IN THE BBC OFFICE JUST MINUTES AFTER THE FINAL BOMBING WITH A PRE-PREPARED INTERVIEW??? The bombings took the world by surprise. Military officials, Government figures, leaders of foreign states all appeared on television and were clearly in a state of shock. Taliban could not arrange an English speaking person on such a short notice, to appear for their interview on CNN. While the whole world was stunned former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak appeared from BBCs main office in London with a pre written/ pre prepared speech. He spent 30 minutes speaking about how dangerous some "Islamic" countries and terrorists are. At the end of the interview, the news reporter stated that Mr. Barak joined him an hour before it was broadcasted, meaning Barak was there even an hour earlier. In real time of events this means he was there within minutes of the blast, with a pre-written interview. He knew beforehand that the bombings will take place. It was not difficult to see that Barak came with a pre written speech as he is quick to piont out all of Israels enemies which he calls "rogue states". The answers to the interview were carefully prepared to use public sentiments created by the blast, against enemies of Israel. These could not have been developed between the time bombing took place and Barak appeared on BBC. Barak's presence in UK could also not have been co-incidental at that crucial time. SEE HOW THIS FITS INTO THE FLOW OF WORLD EVENTS Palestinian and Israeli clashes were seen all over the world as mass oppression of an ethnic community by a militarized state. Israel's recent withdrawal from International Conference on Racism was a severe dent to its international image. After this withdrawal and incidents of violence in the Middle East, a diversion was needed, that would not just divert public attention from Middle Eastern to another continent but also revive the meaning the term, "Islamic Terrorism". Furthermore, it would pull a super power in a direct conflict against Israel's traditional enemies. Mossad, Israeli intelligence has very carefully executed this operation to discredit its enemies on a global level but in the process it made a very crucial mistake. They did everything too perfectly! We wont get to hear this side of the story in the Western Media because media industry in the West is in the hands of Jews who have strong sympathies for the state of Israel. May Allah give us the wisdom to see the truth and the courage to act on it when we see it! "We live in a society where almost everything we see hear and read is monitored by those who control the media. Before we confront our problems effectively, we must understand that someone, or some group is manipulating our reality. We must free ourselves from their control and discover the truth." |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 130 of 510 ) From Salman Ansari The Kingdom Of Corruption The whole story is nothing based based on hatred against Whababi movement. The author has very narrow minded approach. Thanks |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 131 of 510 ) From Edward Clayton On September 11, I and my fellow Americans had a large taste of what India and many other countries have suffered for many years, the evil of terrorism. We have learned a valuable lesson, that we are not immune from attack, we are shocked by what happened to us, but we are not afraid. The good people of the world outnumber the terrorists, and always will. They will always be outnumbered, they will always have to hide from us. People like Osama Bin Laden do not have the ability to walk down the street in freedom like most of us for fear of being recognized and apprehended. Their evil actions are the bars of their cages. The shame is theirs. Good luck to you, India; good luck to all of us. Edward Clayton Dallas, Texas, U.S.A. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 132 of 510 ) From B.Vatul 'There Is No Terrorist Group In Pakistan' Well, realistically he cannot take responsibility and if he takes he will be out (Perhaps will buy his house back in Old Delhi). He was really at pain during the interview which I saw on CNN. I hope truth will dawn on him. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 133 of 510 ) From M.James The Necessity Of Skepticism Outlook-India should not borrow articles from overseas writers, as such writing are good for the countries they live in like USA but not good for India. India and majority community in India also has a very different view of Islam as is seen very often expressed by Imam Bukhari Saheb of Jama Masjid of Delhi in India. His latest announcment about Osama Bin Laden is latest example. Its better if OutLook India restrict it writings to the limits of the nation and its culture. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 134 of 510 ) From Mishra 13 Questions Most of the questions are downright stupid. There could have been three questions or four. And the one about Negroponte is just ludicrous. The Amricans are running a state there, a complex, huge state with even more complex chain of interests to protect. Nations and nations states were born out of far lesser emotions than is generally believed. And guarding national interests is a dirty job. How about asking Indian media a few questions about the way it covers the J&K question? How about calling for a plebiscite as a solution? The US media is shamelessly partisan, but so is the Indian. Let's ask ourselves a few questions first. And let them not be so idiotic as the 13 asked of Mr Bush here. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 135 of 510 ) From Dr. M.Banerjee 'There Is No Terrorist Group In Pakistan' The biggest joke of the millenium!!!!!!!!! |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 136 of 510 ) From ajayp Other Terrorisms Indians have been poor, will be poor and deserve to be in this shape because of their attitude. Where does it say we have to feed them forever even if they do not work. Can any one gaurantee to feed them for 100 years. Indians need to leave the self pity, socialist and communist mentality. If they can not stand the heat - get out of the bl--dy Kashipur and move where jobs are to feed your family. Rajasthani do it, Marwari do it, Punjabi and Sindhi do it. Even biharis leave as labourers to distant land in search of work to feed their families. Let Kashipur rot. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 137 of 510 ) From DANISH There is an urgent need to honestly and fairly define terrorism before moving forward to eliminate it otherwise safety of innocents the world over will remain a dream. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 138 of 510 ) From Damo Chittibabu The Fatwa Of No Its about time we heard more voices like this from within the Muslim community. Each religion has to fight its own demons. I am baffled by reading about Imam Bhukari calling for all muslims to support the Taliban. |
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Admin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 139 of 510 ) From ajayp Revenge Comes Home Ms Sonia Just read your piece. I do not fully agree with you. We in N. America have a lot of freedom. Just imagine a non-muslim doing something like this (events of Sept 11/01). Not only will they be publically executed, but the whole community would be wiped from that country. In USA, we have muslim groups who support these Jihadis, mostly financially. I think if it can be proved that any body has given money to these terrorists, he or she should be charged with 6000 counts of murder. Muslims should not be taking advantage of all the freedoms of Western world yet wanting to establish Islamic states. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 141 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava OCTOBER 13 ACTIONS Oppose The Star Wars Program and War in Central Asia : Bruce Gagnon "Recent events show that the use of violence to resolve human conflict only creates more hatred and more killing," said Bruce Gagnon, Coordinator of the Global Network. "Instead of moving toward creating more global stability through multilateral arms control agreements and economic justice, the U.S. is now moving toward 'control and domination' of space that will give it the military capability to literally win all wars on the Earth. This is being viewed by most nations in the world as a dangerous unilateral step that in the end will create more global chaos." According to Global Network Board member Regina Hagen in Germany, "The picture is becoming clearer all the time. 'Missile defense' is the Trojan horse - the foot in the door - the way to sell Star Wars as a defensive system. Then, once missile defense is deployed, the Space-Based Laser program would be put into motion. In the end, hundreds of billions of dollars will be wasted in order to help the U.S. Space Command become the 'Master of Space'. Now is the time for people around the world to act in order to keep space for peace. War in space will mean more war on the Earth below." Say what you want, but this war is illegal By MICHAEL MANDEL, professor of law at Osgoode Hall Law School in Toronto, specializes in international criminal law. Bush's war plans likely to violate international law by SIDDHARTH VARADARAJAN |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 142 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The war Bin Laden has already won, Jonathan Freedland Wednesday October 10, 2001, The Guardian Robert Fisk: Bush and Blair have already lost the talking war across the Middle East, The Independent UK, 10 October 2001 Into Pakistan's maelstrom Tariq Ali in The Guardian Nato chief LORD Robertson of Port Ellen, warns of 'poor man's nuclear bomb' risk FROM RICHARD CLEROUX IN OTTAWA, Lundon Tames. 10th Oct. Folly of Aid and Bombs by George Monbiot, reprint de Guardian of London A World Too Intoxicated by the Wine of War by John Balzar, Los Angeles Times "OSAMAGATE" Terence Blacker: This is a caring war - we weep as we bomb, Independent 10 October 2001 British unease over US plans to widen conflict, War against terrorism: Strategy, By Kim Sengupta and Marie Woolf The Independent. Immensity of the war emerges SMH Text of Al-Qaida's statement on attacks by United States By Associated Press, 10/9/2001 20:40 They opted to bomb, it had better work, SIMON JENKINS, Tames. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 143 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Forget Islam: bin Laden is no more than a spoilt rich kid, By Robert Harris, The Telegraph The quality of mercy: food drops in minefields Aid agencies say the US relief operation is dangerous and cynical, Christopher Kremmer reports. SMH Land war land mines : Paul Greenberg in Washington Times. Afghanistan and Chinese Power : China's Choices in Afghanistan, an American in China, Sascha Matuszak BioPort of Lansing hasn't made new anthrax vaccine since 1998 because it's failed to meet FDA standards. FDA rules stand in way of vaccines : Producers struggle in the war against biological weapons By Elizabeth Neus / Gannett News Service Musharraf On The Brink by Cedrik Muhammed THE ANTHRAX WAR : The new meaning of 'escalation'… Bin Laden suddenly a secondary concern : It suited the United States to put a face on terror, but now the bombs are falling, its message is changing. Analysis by Gay Alcorn Click the map to enlarge, SMH |
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shruthi 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 144 of 510 ) Revenge - is it always fair? Revenge- the very word brings a kind of satisfaction to a mind that has witnessed injustice and learnt things the hard way in life. The word is not only a strong expression of the uneasy human mind but also one of the instruments, which can make the same man do anything in want of justice. And knowing man’s nature, his selfishness won’t let him think twice about his actions. The world today is facing crisis in every field including politics, economic and religious fields. And we can’t blame anyone else but ourselves for these. These crisis have surfaced only after the attacks at the WTC but were long rooted in the society only waiting for a chance to surface. And here we are today heading towards the 3rd world war. The attack at the WTC was to avenge revenge from the US of A for reasons best known to the political leaders or rather the people who attacked the trade centers. But if we think practically, these attacks make no sense. In fact, they only bring about more unhappiness and discomfort in the world we live. The Talibans wanted to avenge revenge from the people of the US of A. Which people? The set of the Americans who treated them with injustice. They are right in their own place, no doubt. But then why did they have to take the lives of the hundreds of people who had no role to play in the conflicts between the two nations. Yet they attacked the WTC and killed hundreds of their own species, bringing harm not only in terms of political or economic field but also helping us in hindering the progress of mankind. It is very well said that history repeats itself. The Americans on their part also did attack Afghanistan not killing the terrorists but the laymen. The actual people who attacked the WTC are put up in some corner of the nation with several people protecting them. And on the other hand the Americans are providing the Afghanistanis with ration so that they need not starve to death. Looking at the whole issue from the viewpoint of an individual with a good capability to think, who would not find this funny? First you bring about destruction in the place destructing the whole area but the actual area that is to be attacked and killing scores of people in the process. And then you provide the people with basic necessities so that they don’t starve to death. But if you don’t want the people to die, why attack them in the first place? If you think this is happening for the first time in the world history then you stand corrected. Because almost all the crisis the world has witnessed till date are because of man’s arrogance and ego hassles that stop him from learning through his past. To err is human; to forgive is divine. So I agree man has all the rights to commit a mistake but should he not at the same time accept them gracefully and make an attempt not to repeat the same? There is no animal superior to man. So he has to commit the mistake and rectify the same himself. The world faced sad situations during the first half of the last century witnessing the two world wars and the new millennium and century are here today on the verge of starting with a fresh world war. Today we seem to be observing gradual destructions in and around our lives. Tomorrow when the world itself is on the brink of disaster let’s hope we don’t regret for not having acted when we were given an opportunity but failed to understand it’s significance. Remember, it’s not too late now. Shruti Ved, 41,Vaibhav Apartments, 4th Floor, 85 Gandhi Bazaar Main Road, Basvangudi, Bangalore – 560 004. Tel: 6613910. |
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rcb 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 145 of 510 ) (Ruth Benjamin)Referring to whats happening now as the 'terror cycle' is apt. How hard is it to see that what is perceived as terror by one will breed retaliatory terror by another. Correct me if I'm wrong in suggesting that Hate, revenge, misunderstanding, and the inablity to effectively negotiate or start again, is what lies at the root of terror. Without undermining the U.S's noble intentions in the fight for enduring freedom, what exactly will they achieve...?If it is an end to hate, and anti-american sentiments they want- phase 1 (on afghanistan) and the highly speculative phase 2 (possibly on Iraq or Syria) is not exactly going to bring the world closer to any sort of solution. Of course America can so-to-speak 'terrorize' upset Islamic states into shutting up, but how long term of a solution will that be? Even if it is -is that the sort of solution we want...? If there was ever a time for love, and forgiveness, and nonviolence, it is now. What a pity that the values we uphold and apply with such high priority to our personal relationships cannot even be considered when it comes to countries... |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 146 of 510 ) USA and UK are doing a very good thing in AFGANISTAN . But it will be baetter if they nuke both pakistan and afganistan . The world should unite against the muslim satans . There is urgent need of another world war to finish of these muslim pigs . Why should the attack be confined to Afganistan only ?? |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 147 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava U.S.-Pakistan Alliance Shows Signs of Strain, David E. Sanger New York Times Service IHT Robert Fisk: Who is copying who in war of words? US Supreme Court Justice Sandra O’Connor says "personal freedom" will be curbed Israel vs bin Laden in information war By Herb Keinon Kyrgyzstan: Future Front in Anti-Terrorism War 2200 GMT, 011010 'There isn't a target in Afghanistan worth a $1m missile' Mohamed Heikal, the Arab world's foremost political commentator, talks to Stephen Moss, Mohamed Heikal, Guardian At U.S. Request, Networks Agree to Edit Future bin Laden Tapes By BILL CARTER and FELICITY BARRINGER 'CNN of Arab world' upsets all sides By Peter Hermann, The (Baltimore) Sun Gun battle on Pakistan border (AP) The Bombing Begins by Chalmers Johnson, Special to Antiwar.com What Is To Be Done? There are lots of Americans who would like an alternative to prolonged war. Is there one? by Steve Perry Proud to be a pacifist By Lewis Green Special to The Seatle Times Traders bring back eye-witness accounts of bombing, Paul Gallagher In Peshawar for thescotsman.co.uk Bin Laden's Felt-Skinned Henchman? ...Do the global terror links reach even as far as Sesame Street? Is Bert the Muppet a henchman of terrorist mastermind Usama bin Laden? A University of B.C. women's studies professor who criticized U.S. foreign policy has been accused of a hate crime -- publicly inciting hatred against Americans. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 148 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The Clash of Ignorance : Edward Said Defiant Al-Jazeera says it won't back off broadcasting bin Laden By Jaber Al-Harmi, Associated Press, 10/11/2001 12:20 Sharon's Strategy Would Lead to World War by Samuel Francis @ Anty War Dominic Nutt : West risks culpability for a massive tragedy History weighs heavily against foreign intervention War against terrorism: Abu Sayyaf By Richard Lloyd Parry a group of activists in St. Petersburg say they cannot remain silent. Lone Senator thwarts Dubya's anti-terror excesses By Thomas C Greene in Washington Posted: 11/10/2001 at 06:23 GMT Blair knocked off course by Saudi rejection BY PHILIP WEBSTER AND RICHARD OWEN IN CAIRO Robert Fisk: Egypt is a nation caught between Islam and the West When Osama Met the Taliban, Who introduced them? Our intelligence "allies," Pakistan's Interservices Intelligence Agency. New York Mayor Rejects Saudi Prince's Donation Not news, just propaganda BY MAGNUS LINKLATER, No one reports from Kabul. And that suits generals fine Bombing curbed to stop Alliance taking Kabul War against terrorism: Strategy By Raymond Whitaker Hawkish US stance threatens fragile coalition By Mark Riley, Herald Correspondent in New York US anger at lax Saudi response BY ROLAND WATSON , Times |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 149 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Bush whips up a desert storm Playing to the crowd ... President George Bush raises spirits at Yankee Stadium, New York. Photo: Al Bello/ALLSPORT The US is walking into the Middle East trigger-happy and its former Arab allies are too scared to help. The situation is ripe for chaos, writes Gay Alcorn, Herald Correspondent in Washington. SMH The Beeb : Bin Laden's Oxford days US deploys controversial weapon B-52s scour country for troop convoys to attack by Richard Norton-Taylor 'FBI tipped off before attacks' War against terrorism: US warnings prior to September 11 By Hugh Dougherty in New York. The Independent Pakistan is on brink of anarchy Irish Times Bombing victim tells how US raid hit village The Times. FROM STEPHEN FARRELL IN PESHAWAR AND ZAHID HUSSAIN IN ISLAMABAD On Syria's election as UN Security council non- permanent member, Syria, Arab News, 10/12/2001 Why Kofi Annan Won the Peace Prize The U.N. chief has established himself as the world's conscience BY TONY KARON Anthrax: one of the apartheid state's deadly weapons |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 150 of 510 ) Change in Bangla Govt Fresh influx to Tripura From Manas Paul AGARTALA, Oct 12 — Thousands of Hindu minorities, Awami League workers and leaders are crossing over to Tripura following unprecedented terror let loose by the ruling BNP and its allies in Bangladesh. There were reports of sporadic incidents of Bangladesh nationals crossing over to Tripura from the day the caretaker government took over the charge before elections. But of late, after the results were declared the influx has increased alarmingly as the ruling BNP and Islamic fundamentalists intensified atrocities on the Hindus and the Awami League workers. |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 151 of 510 ) A primary estimate indicated at least 2000 Bangladesh nationals, mostly Hindus from one of the most disturbed districts, Feni, (Bangladesh) have taken shelter in their relatives’ houses in several parts of Belonia and Sabrum, bordering subdivisions in South Tripura like Ekinpur, Nalua, Gauranga Bazar, Dimatali, Krishnanagar, Betaga, Jolaibari Manu, Chittakhola, Rajnagar etc Begum Khaleda Zia has won from a sat in Feni district. The Bangladeshi nationals and Awami League leaders who fled to Tripura while speaking to the reporters on condition of anonymity give brutal accounts of atrocities committed on them by the ruling alliance partners. “While girls are being raped in front of their parents, the male folks are being murdered or assaulted mercilessly. Hindu religious institutions are being either burnt down or damaged,” said one villager from Machhimpur under Dagan Bhuiyan Upajela. |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 152 of 510 ) Detailing a specific instance of brutality and the prevailing reign of terror, he said, “on October 3, BNP activists stormed the residence of Sunil Nath of Machhimpur village in Sindurpur union of Dagan Bhuiyan upajela. When Sunil Nath failed to fork out the demanded money, they gangraped her married daughter in front of him. The girl’s husband is at present in Italy.” Similar attacks were committed in the house of Bashiram Sarkar, Jiban Master, Chhotan Majumdar, Gopal Majumdar and Palsh Majumdar at Altali village in the same Dagan Bhuiyan Upajela. About 20 families from Machhimpur and Altali only fled to Tripura through Ekinpur border. On October 4, one Mahendra Nath of Bohitia village of Kajir Bag was beaten to death in broad day-light. His family has also taken shelter in Belonia. The villagers who crossed over to Belonia said, Islamic fundamentalists also attacked Hindu temples and institutions. Loknath Baba Ashram at Matiganj was damaged while Charan Saha Bhikahri Guruchakra Mandir was destroyed. While Hindu minorities are being targeted by the ruling BNP and its allies on the plea that they were traditional supporters of Awami League, the former ruling party leaders and workers belonging to majority community are also fleeing to escape the attacks. |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 153 of 510 ) SO FOR GOD'S SAKE , HINDU BROTHERS , DON'T BELIEVE THE MUSLIMS . THEY ARE OUR ENEMIES AND ARE PLANING TO KILL ALL THE HINDUS IN INDIA , BANGALDESH AND PAKISTAN . TIME HAS COME TO UNITE US AGAINST THE MUSLIM PIGS . WE MUST TAKE WEAPONS TO DEAL WITH THEM . HAIL USA , HAIL ISARAEL , HAIL UK . JAI HIND . LET US START OUR WAR TO WITH PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH . WE MUST PROTECT OUR HINDU BROTHERS . |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 154 of 510 ) TERROR CYCLE IS IN BANGLADESH .....On October 6, 2000, Muslim devotees, after offering namaaz at the Gajipur Jama Masjid, strolled across to the Hindu Kali temple, destroyed the puja pandal, smashed the idols, and desecrated the prasad. They were armed with axes, knives, swords and sticks (collected so quickly on their exit from the mosque) and continued the jehad by looting nearby Hindu-owned shops. On October 1, 1998, Muslims attacked the Durga procession at Agrabad with firearms and bombs. Over a hundred Hindus were injured as the Islamists destroyed 20 trucks carrying images of the Goddess. |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 155 of 510 ) TERROR CYCLE IN BANGLADESH ......On March 29, 2000, Malarani Roy of Karagola village was abducted by Muslims. She was brutally beaten up and gang-raped. The local police found her, but refused to register a case. On June 26, a group of Muslims directed Smriti Rani Saha of Sirajganj town to migrate to India. When she refused, she was abducted, gang-raped and brutally murdered. On November 29, 1999, teenaged Ranjana Roy of Chandpur city was abducted by Shibli Noman, who forced her to convert to Islam and marry him. On July 25, 1998, Muslims abducted Sheema Rani Sarkar and released her 45 days later after receiving ransom from her husband. Not only was Sheema repeatedly raped but she was also converted to Islam. On May 26, 2000, Indrajit Kumar Biswas of Harishpur was stabled to death by a Muslim gang. On May 28, Debasish Saha of Poradaha was fatally shot by a Muslim gang. On June 4, Mayaram Tripura of Balipara was shot dead by local Muslims. |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 156 of 510 ) TERROR CYCLE IN BANGLADESH ...I URGE MS ARUNDHATI ROY TO WRITE AN ESSAY ON THE PLIGHT OF HINDUS IN PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH . |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 157 of 510 ) TERROR CYCLE IN BANGLADESH AND PAKISTAN ..Take a look at the figures of the Hindu population of our good neighbours; why did it dwindle...? Year Pakistan Bangladesh 1941 Approx 25% Approx 30% 1948 Approx 17% Approx 25% 1991 Approx 1.5% Less than 10% |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 158 of 510 ) Take a look at the figures of the Hindu population of our good neighbours; why did it dwindle...? HINDU POPULATION IN PAKISTAN ( IN 1941 25 % , 1948 17 , 1991 LSS THA 1.5 %) . HINDU POPULATION IN BNGLADESH ( 1941 , 30% , 1948 25% , 1991 LESS THAN 10 % ) |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 159 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ...time to do what John would have done. Sing for peace... would have sung All we are saying... is give peace a chance... Give Peace A Chance (1969) John Lennon & Paul McCartney Two, one two three four Ev'rybody's talking about Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m. All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance C'mon Ev'rybody's talking about Ministers, Sinisters, Banisters and canisters Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes, And bye bye, bye byes. All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance Let me tell you now Ev'rybody's talking about Revolution, evolution, masturbation, flagellation, regulation, integrations, meditations, United Nations, Congratulations. All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance Ev'rybody's talking about John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary, Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper, Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer, Alan Ginsberg, Hare Krishna, Hare, Hare Krishna All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance They feature a pair of smashed, blood-stained glasses, alongside the words: "Over 676,000 people have been killed by guns in the USA since John Lennon was shot and killed on December 8, 1980." Yoko said in the statement that the figure was "10 times larger than the total number of American soldiers lost in the Vietnam War". She said in the statement that the figure was "10 times larger than the total number of American soldiers lost in the Vietnam War". "It's like we are living in a war zone," she added. "I want us all to realise that, so hopefully the healing process can begin. John would have wanted to say this to you." Let's have peace T-shirts, some quotes from the counter culture Give Peace a Chance by Jon Wiener, The Nation Follies of the Front, Humourous Incidents of the First World War More Lennon Lyrics Quotes for Peace |
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ponq2 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 160 of 510 ) 10/13/01 Dear Sir/ Madam: In the aftermath of the events of Sept 11, 01 at the World Trade Center New York, "Project Learning Communities" (PLC) is hosting a global econference on SHARING AND CARING. Share n Care link: http://homepage.mac.com/SharenCare/ The link provides for free registration, links to reading material and other information. I invite your participation in the conference. I also request that the conference information may be passed on to any person(s) who may have a potential interest in it; they are welcome to participate in the conference. Thanking you, Sincerely yours, Dr. M. Radh Achuthan Convener, PLC. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 161 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava America's Last Taboo By Edward W. Said WAR STRATEGY: Battle of Kabul delayed by US row with Pakistan Tony Allen-Mills, Stephen Grey, Washington, Michael Sheridan, Islamabad, sunday-times.co.uk US admits lethal blunders Village is wiped out as 2,000lb of Allied explosives miss Taliban target War on Terrorism: Observer special Surprise at large turnout for national anti-war rally By Cole Moreton, 14 October 2001 'It was if the rocks themselves were on fire', Eye witness, Richard Lloyd Parry hears first-hand survivors' tales of the bombing Riding out the shockwaves Neena Vyas in The Hindu Text of the Al-Qaeda message MEDIA SPIN REVOLVES AROUND THE WORD "TERRORIST" By Norman Solomon Iraq 'behind US anthrax outbreaks' The Observer Nuclear chiefs refuse to halt trains 'at risk' By Geoffrey Lean, The Independent |
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arvela 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 162 of 510 ) Did Atta and his group destroy the twin towers because it is not only the symbol of Western Capital but also a sacrilege? ..the WTC was an extra tall copy of the most holy K'aba of Mecca! |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 163 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Terrorists should be tried in court, Bombing civilians will only lead to further atrocities by Imraan Khan in a akhbaar-e-inglistaan Fearing Fallout of Afghan Chaos, Pakistanis Harden to U.S. Strikes : Pamela Constable Washington Post Service, iht.com Monday, October 15, 2001 Beaten by Taleban, bombed out of home, what next? Paul Gallagher, thescotsman.co.uk Robert Fisk: Slaughter of the innocent bolsters view that this is war against Islam William Dalrymple: Two civilisations entwined in history FWD: How Carter and Brzezinski Helped Start the Afghan Mess Anxious About Anthrax A few cases do not an epidemic make. But they’re unprecedented; worry over what’s next is contagious By Sharon Begley and Michael Isikoff, NEWSWEEK THE ORIGINS OF BIOLOGICAL WARFARE THE PEACENIKS : They're (almost) as bad as the warmongers by Justine Raimondo |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 164 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Tariq Ali: Yes, there is an effective alternative to the bombing of Afghanistan 'A lesson could have been learnt from Israel's patient stalking, capture and trial of Adolf Eichmann' 15 October 2001 The Case for American Empire: The most realistic response to terrorism is for America to embrace its imperial role. by Max Boot Of Sin, the Left & Islamic Fascism Minority Report, by Christopher Hitchens Pentagon split over war plan Generals at odds with politicians on strategy The age of anxiety has descended : Life is being redefined in an America that is suddenly shackled by uncertainties ABHIK SIDDIQUI |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 165 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ...Folksinger Woody Guthrie once improvised a verse about a visit from the FBI. "Will you bear a gun for your country?" the feds demanded, suspecting Woody of being weak on that most revered of American qualities, patriotism. Woody, despite whatever the FBI suspected, was not unpatriotic. True, he rejected the superficial, wave-the-flag, rally around the president style of patriotism that comedian George Carlin calls patriotism for the symbol-minded. Woody's patriotism was closer to Mark Twain's idea: loyalty to the country always; loyalty to the government when it deserves it -- more along the lines of what the founding fathers had in mind. Woody calmly assured the agents that yes, indeed, he would bear a gun for his country. And then, as they turned to leave, he added: "I just can't say in which direction I'll point it." Jefferson would have applauded. Were he alive today, Woody might give the verse a topical slant, something like this: The FBI arrives at Woody's door and, parroting the president, demands to know, "Are you with us or against us?" "I'm against terrorism," Woody replies. As the agents turn to leave, Woody adds: "I just can't say whether I'm with the president." Free speech has become war casualty Sharon may find himself on the wrong side of history MEDIA ADVISORY: Networks Accept Government "Guidance" Muslim allies break ranks with US : Muslim allies Saudi Arabia and Pakistan break ranks with US over bombing Deadly spores, crazy scares: a world on the edge of panic By David Usborne in New York |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 166 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ''Taliban have not become weaker... they hide, only the civilians suffer'' By Peter Popham in Peshawar, the Independent U.N. investigator condemns bombing of Afghanistan. Yahoo Monday October 15, 9:33 PM COLUMN ONE : Training Camp of Another Kind : In Pakistan, defiant young Afghan women bent on reversing years of brutal oppression study and plan. To them, the conflict has no good guys. By RONE TEMPEST, Times Staff Writer Do We Choose Death or Peace? by Harry Browne October 16, 2001 Is an Oil Pipeline Behind the War in Afghanistan? ''With us or against us'' is a false dichotomy |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 167 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Net: Now Our Most Serious News Medium? ‘Mind your e-mail language’ Hamburg: As the worldwide hunt for terrorists who staged devastating attacks in America a month ago intensifies, the use of key words in personal e-mails is best avoided, a leading German computer magazine writes. The use of words like ‘Taliban’ or ‘revenge against America’ could lead to the e-mails being read by intelligence services sifting the Internet for clues, according to the magazine tomorrow published in the northern port of Hamburg. The American Federal Bureau of Investigation uses a snooper programme called ‘Carnivore’ which is built-in by Internet providers. Messages are scanned for words on a list of 1,100 suspicious entries, said the magazine. The only way to avoid such possible eavesdropping is if the e-mail is routed by a provider outside the US, said the article. – DPA Don't drag God into battle : Christianity, Judaism and Islam have much in common, writes Michael McGirr. SMH India fumes at Powell's pitch over Kashmir : By Christopher Kremmer, Herald Correspondent in Islamabad. SMH No Glory in Unjust War on the Weak : By BARBARA KINGSOLVER Peace & Patriotism : Why the old formulas may not work this time, Tough fight for anti-war movement Kidding Ourselves by John Keller |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 168 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Bin Laden 'to take part in television interview' Video would be delivered by al-Jazeera, Audrey Gillan in Washington Wednesday October 17, 2001 The Guardian Robert Fisk: Promises, promises ...Colin Powell tells Pakistan's General Musharraf that he will help solve the problem of Kashmir. Tony Blair offers Yasser Arafat the vision of a Palestinian state. But should we take them at their word? History shows that assurances made in wartime aren't always everything they seem The US, founded to protect basic freedoms, is now insisting that its critics are its enemies. by George Monbiot Report links Real IRA to bin Laden FROM ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN AND DANIEL MCGRORY, The Times The Afghan Quagmire Beckons or How Not to Intervene in Afghanistan by Christopher Deliso THE MUSHARRAF SOLUTION 'Take him out,' he says – and then get out India 'might strike in Pakistan' By Rahul Bedi in New Delhi (Filed: 17/10/2001) Stench of death in a flattened village : Zeeshan Haider of Reuters in Khorum, Afghanistan ESCAPE FROM THE LOGIC OF WAR : by Pierre Lemieux |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 169 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava US buys Afghan image rights By BBC News Online science editor Dr David Whitehouse, ...has six imaging satellites already in orbit, augmented by a seventh launched a few days ago. ...Four of the satellites are called Keyholes and can see details as small as 10 centimetres (4 inches) across. THE DEMOGRAPHIC BOMB By Maggie Gallagher EU: U.N. Must Take Lead Afghan Role Bush's mixed message on women By Derrick Z. Jackson SOME SAY POTATO By William F. Buckley Jr. Afghans the victims of US terrorism, THE IRISH TIMES INTERVIEW: JEAN-JACQUES GRAISSE :Afghans' Food Angel, With millions on the edge of acute hunger and the bite of a bitter Afghani winter, the World Food Programme's deputy chief, Jean-Jacques Graisse faces a daunting task. Graphic Graphic#2 Three ways to reach bin Laden - The Times (UK) (Oct 11, 2001) Graphic#3 |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 170 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Bin Laden letters order US massacre. Extracts... The Guardian Russian military suspected as source of anthrax By Anne Penketh The Independent Operation Infinite Disaster By Chris Kromm Why Asking All the Wrong Questions? On Native Ground HAS THE U.S. WALKED INTO A TRAP IN AFGHANISTAN? by Randolph T. Holhut Government is a Terrible Master by Steve Kubby Archbishop of Canterbury George Carey: Don't repeat the misery inflicted on the Iraqis SAUDIS CONSIDER ASKING U.S. MILITARY TO LEAVE |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 171 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Disputes de species de baboons - CIA international Country profile category: Transnational Issues( ... Resolve them ALL... ASAP, New Nations 2, soon... on considerate ethnic lines U.S. propaganda to Taliban: 'You are condemned' Is Disarmament Being Left To Rust? A hornet's nest : By Rajeev Dhavan Analysis: Can enemies rule together? Beeb Afghan Children Afraid, Displaced By Laura King, AP Special Correspondent, Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2001; 3:04 a.m. EDT Assassinations and the West's collective short memory : World leaders were digging deep into their vocabulary to mourn Rehavam Zeevi, while Palestinians blood went unlamented By Ramzy Baroud October 19, 2001, 04:42 PM Understanding turbans: Don't link them to terrorism By Eli Sanders Seattle Times staff reporter |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 172 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ‘Be brave," say some prominent American leaders. "Meanwhile, we'll be gone." NY Post 'Anti-Americanism' has roots in US foreign policy Commentary by Mushahid Hussain Congress Doesn't Know If We're at War By Tim Carney Former plumber is master of betrayal : On the cusp of victory By Jan Cienski, National Post Bethlehem: No longer still or silent By Phil Reeves in Bethlehem, West Bank Pakistan frustrated by lack of clear US lead By Ahmed Rashid in Islamabad Turkey ready to pick up the pieces By Anton La Guardia in Ankara US missed most Kabul targets, aid workers say FROM STEPHEN FARRELL IN ISLAMABAD |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 173 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Hey Outlook in ur HOWARD WINANT story, ur url has gone Indian (meaning gaRbaR, or Naakaaraa, or Nikammmaa)... Even in Afghanistan, where repressive anti-modern rule has reached obscene heights under the Taliban, the courageous women of the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA - Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan) are running clandestine schools for girls, providing health care, and documenting Taliban abuses of women. These women are another kind of (REAL) heroes, a kind we don't hear enough about, who are taking enormous risks for the sake of modernity and human rights. Posters placed at a Library, with a text by K., entitled "War is nothing but a spectacular statement of our daily living" were _quickly removed_, several times, by someone who perhaps found it disagreeable, to the hateful point, of shutting its mouth. It also pointed to nationalism. It also contained a questioning, as to whether a pacifist demonstrating, does not contribute to conflict. (I understood that he was pointing to, that demonstrating for peace, is not necessarily the same as Being peaceful.) I know that K. said once, that what he talks about, is _not_ for the elect few. But I wonder... It seems to me, that the majority of minds, are not even _intellectually_ aware of the possibility/value of unbiased understanding and communication. And if one discusses, one tends to try to get one's opinion across and want to win. In more extreme cases, they'll remove/suppress/'crucify' what they do not like to hear or the person who says it. Or, at 'best', tolerate.. up to a point. It is what's been happening for thousands of years. For me, this is a situation, .. a dead & barren ground, utterly unreceptive for 'seeds', such as K.'s. Rather sad, I think. It seems, that his 'teaching', IS for the few. Perhaps for those, who start to sense the limits of All thought and trully are 'at the end of their ropes'. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 174 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava the way things r going... there r going to be many new nations as happened post WWII... the British morons were not just in drawing borders... Kurds an example are left out... now Uncle Sam will draw borders... US lead hoodlum allience will do macho posturing... but in-order to feel secure they would resolve all such conflicts (jab Ooo lagtii hey phaTney... toh kHairaat lagti hey baTney ;)... but tathagat is afraid... 8-10 years from now... blacks kamikaazi would do it... dalits in India would do it... and not much later women would do it too... they have been suffering in slavery for too... too effing long... since u just don't seem to notice it otherwise otherways... not sensitive and considerate enuff... unless u r shaken up... the way Arabs did... or is it ur propaganda? a bunch of lies?!? hey dubya moron... or arrey o kambakHat maarey... lol... stop the bombing u idiot... NOW!!! u baboon u r a threat to world peace... u no good piece of shit... i thought Dubya, Bulldozer and ugly, repulsive, Atom Bomb Vajpayee are the only exclusive member of this threat to the world peace club... but didn't know Tony Blair is that stupid, ugly and dangerous too... jumpin on it... shoulder2shoulder... both the alliance leaders are Protestant... about a fourth of Muslims... in size ah btw Chirac/ Schroder would eventually listen to popa papal papacy ... he is not on, on this 'crusade'... contrary he is against the offensive... the onslaught... how many doctors did u kill u baboon... in that Herat Hospital... last time it was aid workers... landmine removers... u think u r demonstrating ur might... as detterent... but no u r just exposing urself... u pumped in 175 Billion dollars to ur own economy and gave 350 million dollars in food aid... and talked 10 minutes about how compassionate ur lot of jaahil baboons are... of what world is a somewhat mute spectators now... Paul moron sang for establishment... so did Bowie, Daltry, Pete Towsend, Mick Jagger... compassion for New Yorkers and no compassions for starving (and now being bomed with food and Cruiz) afgHaans... how about people starving to death in Orissa... did u remember John... but i know u guys will be back soon... singing peace... again... Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins Enemies of Peace & of the Environment, a post @ yaa hoo...oo... :) Weep Mankind! “Dubya” Chooses Warmonger/”Death Merchant” for Veep (by Justin Raimondo) of AntiWar.com Cheney and the War Party by Matthew McCally August 16, 2000 |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 175 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Terror... 2 truth... Wish lenny was there to tell the true tale... hathoraa rather ghan chaap truth... and BTW... free speech under threat, it gotta be!!!... "What is a Jew" : 'ear him REAL Audio : from "Christians & Jews" : What is a Jew? A jew is one who is descended from the ancient tribes of Judea. That's what it says in the dictionary. But you and I know what a Jew is... The one who killed OUR LORD. You didn't know? We did that about two thousand years ago. There should be a statute of limitaitons on that crime. But the Goyim are going to make us pay dues for another deuce. And they say, hosanna, why do we make them pay the dues, granted that Christ was the person that you say he was? All right, I'll admit it. I know why the Jews pay the dues. Because we copped out; we skirted the issue; we blamed it on the Roman soldiers. Yes! I will clear the air. We did it! And not only did we kill Christ, we're going to kill him AGAIN when he comes BACK! Lenny Bruce Stuff on the Web L e n n y B R U C E By Dylan Entertainment The reason I'm in this business, I assume all performers are -- it's "Look at me, Ma!" It's acceptance, you know -- "Look at me, Ma, look at me, Ma, look at me, Ma." And if your mother watches, you'll show off till you're exhausted; but if your mother goes, Ptshew! Jesus Christ A lot of people say to me, "Why did you kill Christ?" "I dunno... it was one of those parties, got out of hand, you know." "We killed him because he didn't want to become a doctor, that's why we killed him." Sarcasm Satire is tragedy plus time. You give it enough time, the public, the reviewers will allow you to satirize it. Which is rather ridiculous, when you think about it. |
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farman 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 176 of 510 ) Terror... 2 truth... Wish lenny was there to tell the true tale... hathoraa rather ghan chaap truth... and BTW... free speech under threat, it gotta be!!!... "What is a Jew" : 'ear him REAL Audio : from "Christians & Jews" : What is a Jew? A jew is one who is descended from the ancient tribes of Judea. That's what it says in the dictionary. But you and I know what a Jew is... The one who killed OUR LORD. You didn't know? We did that about two thousand years ago. There should be a statute of limitaitons on that crime. But the Goyim are going to make us pay dues for another deuce. And they say, hosanna, why do we make them pay the dues, granted that Christ was the person that you say he was? All right, I'll admit it. I know why the Jews pay the dues. Because we copped out; we skirted the issue; we blamed it on the Roman soldiers. Yes! I will clear the air. We did it! And not only did we kill Christ, we're going to kill him AGAIN when he comes BACK! Lenny Bruce Stuff on the Web L e n n y B R U C E By Dylan Entertainment The reason I'm in this business, I assume all performers are -- it's "Look at me, Ma!" It's acceptance, you know -- "Look at me, Ma, look at me, Ma, look at me, Ma." And if your mother watches, you'll show off till you're exhausted; but if your mother goes, Ptshew! Jesus Christ A lot of people say to me, "Why did you kill Christ?" "I dunno... it was one of those parties, got out of hand, you know." "We killed him because he didn't want to become a doctor, that's why we killed him." Sarcasm Satire is tragedy plus time. You give it enough time, the public, the reviewers will allow you to satirize it. Which is rather ridiculous, when you think about it. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 177 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava "On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people." "Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy." "I did," said Ford. "It is." "You mean they actually vote for the lizards?" "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course." "But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?" "Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in." ~ Douglas Adams, 'So Long And Thanks For All The Fish' Al-Jazeera Guide in English before u watch Barkha's WTP... Oops RealityBites one more repeat pl on thursdays... ...Barkha and Saleha and Devesh only worth listening 2... rest make me puke with their tallaffuz (uchchaaran)... ZeeNoose and Aaj Tak not even worth mentioning... too rustic... these days its... zaari... lol... instead of jaari... and ba-vazood instead of ba-vajood... soon... kHushi will become khushi and gHam will b'com gam... lol... When the media are a menace Phillip Knightley U.S. and Britain Join Forces Again in the Battle for Public Opinion Ukraine (((mUah))) Destroys Nuke Facilities ...three slaps on each cheeks la Bhajpayee and Musharraff... nukes reclaimed and dumped in the sea... Che : Che G : Che Guevara : Che |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 178 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Icy Afghan Weather Takes Toll on Military November 3, 2001 1:39 pm EST By Charles Aldinger Torture, treachery and spies - covert war in Afghanistan America may be carpet-bombing Afghanistan. But the real battle for power is being waged with bundles of cash and more sinister means Kin Seek Justice in NATO Bombing By JEFFREY ULBRICH, Associated Press Writer CIA's 'spy cat' goes splat By James Morrison Bin Laden rails against Crusaders and UN, fully copy of his text on Beeb Pakistan panics over threat to arsenal Hawks push unfamiliar allies into a belligerent embrace Legislating a police state By Neena Vyas The people of Afghanistan have nothing to do with Osama and his accomplices RAWA PRO-ISRAELI, ANTI-ARAB CAMPAIGNS COULD ISOLATE AMERICA Israel shows United States how not to fight terrorism Paranoid Muslims are the problem, says Rushdie, Author argues that Islam must be depoliticised Murdoch on Blair, Britain and babies. And those whiners at ITV as well Blunkett isn't trying to play God The government's decision to introduce a penalty for inciting religious hatred has been misunderstood By Alan Travis, Guardian Voices for the Voiceless Why free speech is important as the U.S. drops cluster bombs If Kandahar burns, will we feel safer? By RICK SALUTIN The Globe and Mail |
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Colin 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 179 of 510 ) Confused over the Anglo-American invasion of Afghanistan? The issue is crystal clear, there is no moral dilemma. You either follow the AntiChrist or the Lord Jesus Christ. The Anglo-American allies and the whole world are following the AntiChrist spirit. To follow the Lord Jesus Christ you MUST be Born Again, and become a REAL Christian. GBII and TB et al show that their 'Christianity' is a sham and they are NOT Christian. By their fruits shall you know them. An English missionary in Asia writes... http://bornagain.port5.com/wtc.htm |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 180 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ESCAPE AND EVASION by SEYMOUR M. HERSH What happened when the Special Forces landed in Afghanistan? Middle East impasse By Edward W. Said How To Avoid World War III By Thomas E. Woods, Jr. Stop the bombing, please Dr Farrukh Saleem, President Bush continues to insist that "we are a peace-loving people". Arundhati Roy, the acclaimed author of 'The God of Small Things', rebukes "Love is hate, north is south, peace is war." Decent People Reject Terrorism and U.S. Bombing at the Same Time By Chandra Muzaffar IHT There is no war on terrorism If there was, the SAS would be storming the beaches of Florida By John Pilger They Call This Intelligence Television, Like the Country, Loses Its Footing... NYT/Yahoo Guns Won't Win the Afghan War By JOHN J. MEARSHEIMER TWO WARS AT ONCE – And neither is going well…. Taliban invites Bush, Blair for a duel 'The Americans don't know what they're getting into ... People here think nothing of killing' -The Independent |
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sathyan 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 181 of 510 ) It is almost one month since America started the war against terror. What really is the objective? How far the chosen means justify it? What is the progress so far? America warned its citizens against possible terrorists strike soon in its own soil. This means that there are still terrorists hiding in America which they are not able to trace down. Why not Bomb there as well? Or at least stop bombing Afganistan until terrorists are driven out of American soil. They should get rid of the rat from their home first before burning down somebody else’s neighbour’s home. Is it Justified for the cause if we know that innocents will be killed? Does anybody has the right to take away an innocent life knowingly, for whatever cause? If “colateral damage” justifies innocent lives, then can it be seen like that in case of World Trade Centre attack? Who will be held accountable for security lapse that resulted in hijacking of four aircrafts? If you are not with us you are against us - we will get him dead or alive - smoke him out and chase him down – we are slowly tightening the neck of the enemy - These are the revengeful words of the head of the state of most powerful democratic country. These words only aggravate fanatism. If these words are intended to muster support, then it again has to be targeted like the war. Otherwise, it will encourage the fanatics to emulate Bin Laden even before he is brought to the said justice. Other countries may not wish to counter such stirred up terrorism. We see desperate refugees (including women and children) being chased away by security forces at Pakistan’s closed border. Is that not a torturing terrorism on fleeing sauls? Will the so called international community will be accountable, if Pakistan becomes unstable in this process? This may result in greater regional problems in future. What about the impending humanitarian disaster in Afganistan due to war imposed lack of preparedness for humanitarian activities? If the world has to accept and join the fight, then the world has also the right to get convinced with tangible proof. Why not publish it. Anyway, publishing it the at least at this stage, is unlikely to cause more harm than that has already caused. All these points to one aspect. Money and muscle power, determine the course of the world that stands for democracy, liberty, freedom and all other mellifluous nouns. Otherwise, why remove the sanctions against Pakistan and India all of a sudden. It appears like President Bush and Prime minister Blair has placed the horror Bin to the rest of the world, to make a choice between devil and the rest. One thing appears certain, beating around Bin will not produce results. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 182 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Even More Bush'ism Clinton Provokes a Jihad By Ziauddin Sardar predicts terrible consequences from the US air strikes: an eruption of sectarian atrocities and the implosion of Pakistan... Marx was wrong. When history returns, it does not repeat itself as a farce. It duplicates itself as tragedy. And a tragedy of gigantic proportions is about to unfold in central Asia. The drama has all the elements of a classic confrontation between "Islam" and "the west". On one side we have an embattled American president, under pressure at home from sex scandals and abroad from terrorist atrocities. On the other we have a Muslim fanatic with global reach and bottomless funds, hellbent on destroying America and its way of life. Exit sanity; enter paranoia. The Middle East: The Islamic Republican Alternative Gulbuddin Hekmatyar: a brutal warlord few Afghans want to see return Saudi Arabia in the 1980's: Foreign Policy, Security, And Oil BATTLES IN THE MIND By Teesta Setalvad |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 183 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Peace activists hold rally in Rawalpindi (RealAudio) Trade unions, women's groups and human rights activists take to street in Rawalpindi demanding an end to war in Afghanistan. Zaffar Abbas of BBC reports from Islamabad Living under hostile skies (RealAudio) For nearly a month US warplanes have monopolised Afghanistan's skies, raining down death and destruction round the clock. How is the common Afghan dealing with it? Raja Zulfikar Ali of BBC explores in Meezan Bystander Apathy: The Battle for Our Hearts and Minds by Heather Wokusch When collateral damage starts to hurt By Benjamin Zachariah, HT Bombing with blindfolds on By James Carroll White House summons biz chieftains By Peter Bart, Variety Editor-in-Chief |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 184 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The New Newspeak @ CounterPunch Lifting the veil by Josie Appleton Bombing could lead to increase in terrorism Is Bin Laden Growing Mushrooms? US terrorizing non-combatants By Guardian writers Hell's Pavement: The Gulf War in Retrospect Alan Watkins: The holy war being fought by Reverend Blair Sharon isn’t doing himself any favors The warmongers have landed The ugly American mindset : theglobeandmail.com |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 185 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Over the past two months the word "Islamofascism" has gained currency. The term has appeared in National Review Online, The Weekly Standard, and at Andrew Sullivan's website, among other places. To a vigilant eye the word "Islamofascism" looks suspiciously like a classic Trotskyist coinage. You don't have to be a fan of either fascism or Islamic terrorism to wonder if there's more than meets the eye to this word. "Islamofascist" was coined or at least popularized by Stephen Schwartz in his recent Spectator article "Ground Zero and the Saudi Connection." Note that within the article Schwartz singles out Stalin and Bolshevism for criticism, rather than Communism in general... Anthony Howard: The Government has lost the war. The Government has not only lost the propaganda war, it has been routed on the intellectual front as well Robert Fisk: 'If the US attacks were an assault on "civilisation"(???), why shouldn't Muslims regard the Afganistan attack as a war on Islam?' Our war aims - in general By AL Kennedy, The Guardian Israel Calls Iran 'Biggest Threat' By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer Pakistan moves to gag Taliban envoy who mentions the dead By Christopher Kremmer, SMH Correspondent in Islamabad Taleban retreat could take war across border FROM OLIVER AUGUST IN BEIJING US sends in special forces as offensive in north fades By Scotsman Chris Stephen In Jabal u Saraj |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 186 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Afghan activist decries U.S. bombing: Woman presents sober lessons on impact of war: By David Mendell, Tribune staff reporter Published November 9, 2001 An American overkill? The News International (Daily Jang), Pakistan What the media is churning out is trash By Masood Anwar General: Capturing bin Laden is not part of mission : USA Today Muslim Hearts and Minds Our Al Jazeera problem US appoints terror war spin doctor : Beeb Bush says life in the US will never be the same again Pressure on US to stop bombardment grows : Irish Taimes Strong Calls for Widening War Come From Democratic Front: By RONALD BROWNSTEIN, LA Times The Coming Apocalypse in Central Asia By Geov Parrish, WorkingForChange.com The Lessons of Vietnam by John Galvin US Campaign (onslaught) Against Afghanistan Not Self-Defense Under International Law By Brian J. Foley WHO'S READING YOUR E-MAIL? Draconian Law Enforcement is not a Solution to Terrorism America needs a briefing consolidation By CHARLEY REESE There will be hell to pay if, in the process of trying to topple an extremist Islamic government in Afghanistan, we inadvertently install one in Pakistan, which has a fine army and nuclear weapons. That’s why the president of Pakistan is urging us to move fast. He knows that the longer the bombing campaign goes on, the stronger the opposition will grow. The Wizard of Bombs By Gene Callahan End The Bombing Of Afghanistan, FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Dulles NOW Chapter November 8, 2001 Language of denial, The language of war is a way our society is lies to itself Bosh about bombs and the like, Claims of prowess for the latest war toys suckers Hersh, others Overplaying The Terror Card You cannot be serious, Mr Peres By Ali Abunimah |
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farman 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 187 of 510 ) It is assumed that when a section of the world community claims itself to be the “Civilized World”, it must be having some knowledge of Ethics, History, Geography, Science, & other material comprehension, which is necessarily, required for becoming or assuming to be the respected member of the “Civilized World”. But of late the way people claiming themselves the respected members of the “Civilized World” had started behaving gives the impression that for some conspicuous & palpable reason they are trying to shut their eyes from dazzling truths of world history. Two material instances are sufficient to explain the uneven, potholed opportunistic & vicious attitude of the “Civilized World”. It is the ‘Civilized World’ who gave birth to Taliban to fight Communists in Afghanistan by providing them Stinger Missiles & other strategic “Support”, at the time of their birth they were termed as the saviors who saved Afghanistan from devious communists. In fact the spokesman of the US State Department Glyn Davies said that the US found “nothing objectionable” in the steps taken by the Taliban to impose the Islamic Law, when in 1995 Taliban came into power with the help of CIA & ISI, and unleashed reign of terror upon their own people particularly women by closing down girls schools dismissing women from govt. jobs. Senator Hank Brown said, “The good part of what has happened is that one of the factions at least seems capable of developing a government in Kabul”. The prime object of supporting the Taliban regime was motivated by the economic factor primarily the UNOCAL pipeline project as stated by Robin Raphel in Islamabad on 21st April 1996, soon after visiting Kabul,” We have an American Company which is interested in building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through to Pakistan.” Another instance is with regard to diagonal change taking place in the policy of “Civilized World” towards General Parvez Musharraf of Pakistan. When in 1999 he overthrew the democratically elected government of Nawaz Sharif, the “Civilized World” refused to recognize his dictatorial government & stopped all financial assistance to his government. But all of a sudden after 11th September all financial assistance was restored to him with lot of handsome bonuses. One is unable to understand that whether after 11th September the dictator General Parvez Musharraf became a democratically elected President of Pakistan. Now the villain of the past became the dearest friend, is it not the marriage of conveniences? Which otherwise is most condemnable act, but is an appreciable act for the “Civilized World”. Is it not an archetypical example of knight in shining armor, the savior, becoming desperado, the villain & the desperado transforming into a knight in shining armor. The creator of Taliban, the “Civilized World“ is now fighting its own evil child, with the help of formerly Mujahedin’s (Northern Alliance), previously thrown out because of their dictatorial manners. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 188 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Our Masters of Propaganda By Stephen Gowans Global Eye -- Weather Report By Chris Floyd, Moscow Tames Propaganda: Then and Now By Gilles d'Aymery First, the bad news, then ... the bad news By ERIC MARGOLIS No Surprise at Rumors of New Atrocities by Our 'Foot-Soldiers' by Robert Fisk ...Charlotte Beers was the most powerful woman in advertising, known for her high-octane lifestyle, golden Rolodex and stratospheric salary. She is now effectively Bush's minister of propaganda. The Texas-born daughter of a cowboy has a far more elegant title of course: undersecretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs... New laws will turn EU into a superpower, says Romano Prodi UN races to set up a new regime in Kabul 'Up to 500 executed' after the fall of Mazar-e-sharief Northern Alliance enters Kabul as Taliban flee |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 189 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Greek Thoughts by Joseph Sobran One of those ancient Greek fellows, King Pyrrhus, is said to have commented, after winning a costly battle, "One more victory like this and we’re done for." Hence the phrase "Pyrrhic victory." From Homer on, the Greeks found mordant ironies in their wars, especially the Trojan one. It began over one loose woman and went on for a decade; then it kept spawning all sorts of unpleasant aftermaths. King Agamemnon, for example, led the winning side, but it played havoc with his family life. When he got home, his wife did him in. Then she got hers, from their son, who then suffered from guilt feelings, and so on. All very dysfunctional. The lesson is that the consequences of war don’t end when the fighting stops. The Greeks hammered this point home for centuries, but it still hasn’t sunk in with a lot of non-Greeks. Free speech is under attack : Liberal objections to new measures brought in after September 11 should focus on the ill-thought-out proposals to deal with religious incitement, writes former anti-terrorist officer Charles Shoebridge War is Hell (On Your Civil Liberties) BY JESSICA REAVES, Time.com Why the War Party may fail : Pat Buchanan Writing History to Executive Order By RICHARD REEVES |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 191 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Will peace remain elusive for Afghans? (RealAudio) The Taleban's retreat from Kabul has stunned many, whereas some call it a military tactic. But the big question is who will fill the power vacuum? Raja Zulfikar Ali of BBC explores in Meezaan |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 192 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Been2Sairbeen? Beeb Real Audio Suicidal ignorance : By now, at least, it should be clear: the US just doesn't get it. Time for a change of policy, writes Edward Said America must protect right to dissent, even about war BY FRAN SEPLER Community Columnist Ashcroft's rule of law not necessarily constitutional By ROBYN BLUMNER, St. Petersburg Times Humanitarian Crisis Still Looms : Oxfam Al-Qa'eda massacre Taliban By David Harrison of Telegraph Portal in Kunduz, northern Afghanistan Mounting concern over human cost of war in Afghanistan |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 193 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Say No to a Palestinian 'State' : Imagine the following scenario: after ages of discrimination, the United States decides to compensate African-Americans generously and to solve their problems once and for all. All African-Americans are locked up in prison, and the prisons are declared to be an independent African-American state. Sound crazy? That is just what the US and Israel are now planning – for the Palestinians. WAR ON TERROR: FALSE VICTORY By John Pilger @ Znet An Open Letter to Arab Readers : Scott McConnel Plays poorly with others : Despite ‘coalition building’ rhetoric, Bush is still the bully on the playground, Geov Parrish, WorkingForChange U.S. Allies in Afghanistan Left Trail of Atrocities Blood on the Tracks By Jonathan Adams, Villagevoice Robert Fisk: Our friends in the North are just as treacherous and murderous:When our Northern Alliance boys go on a killing spree, we have to take responsibility' Carpet bombing 'kills 150 civilians' in frontline town By Justin Huggler in Cheshma-ye Bangi, The Independent British nuclear secrets out on the web, The Independent Powell is told to go easy on Israel over peace deal, By David Wastell in Washington, portal.telegraph.co.uk Maverick warlords hold gun to Afghan peace process : AFP/TOI Rivalries threaten another civil war By Ahmed Rashid, The Telegraph Warlords jostle for power, ignoring West's threats : The Northern Alliance, like the mouse that roared, is growing to love the sound of its own voice, writes Paul McGeough. SMH |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 194 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava House of Saud looks close to collapse : Modern Saudi Arabia is supported by the US and Britain in order to guarantee a steady flow of oil. Their war on terrorism could destroy it By David Leigh and Richard Norton-Taylor, The Guardian, Wednesday November 21, 2001 Opium farmers rejoice at defeat of the Taliban : War on Terrorism: Opium By Richard Lloyd Parry in Surkhrud, Afghanistan As Taliban Falls, U.S. Confronts New Foe: Itself, By Courtland Milloy washingtonpost.com THE CREEPING COUP : [From a letter sent to booksellers by the American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression] Liberty Is Dying, Liberal by Liberal : LA Times Mideast peace an illusion? Pat Buchanan, Creators Syndicate, Inc. Warlord consolidating power in Herat TOI |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 195 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ISRAELI intelligence agencies have not detected any link between Iraq and the September 11 terrorist attacks... By Anton La Guardia, Diplomatic Editor Village of death casts doubts over US intelligence By Philip Smucker in Gluco, northern Afghanistan Jalalabad's New Sheriff Cracks Down, but Will His Own Gunmen Obey? Tim Weiner IHT Britain may be forced to withdraw troops By Richard Norton-Taylor, Patrick Wintour, and Julian Borger in Washington, The Guardian Up with dissent : A BOSTON GLOBE EDITORIAL Suppose we won the war but lost our freedom By Robert Harris Nightmare of facism seems too real since Sept. 11 attacks BY KRISTINE M. HOLMGREN Guest Columnist If we embrace the Taliban's view of swift and arbitrary justice, America won't prevail : in the court of public opinion. Bush's secret tribunal BY JONATHAN TURLEY Commentator Tough Love By Michelle Chihara, AlterNet CLARE Short yesterday launched a stinging attack on the United States for hindering the relief effort in Afghanistan as relations between London and Washington sank to their lowest point since the start of the military campaign. Asian Regimes Appear to Use War on Terror to Stem Dissent By Michael Richardson International Herald Tribune |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 196 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Emergency 2001: by David Dieteman, Query to the warmongers: what to say about the following line from a patriot of spotless reputation, Benjamin Franklin: I hope that Mankind will at length, as they call themselves reasonable creatures, have Reason and Sense enough to settle their differences without cutting Throats; for, in my opinion, there never was a good War, or a bad Peace. Culture : Dispatch from Anthrakistan By Martin A. Lee, Pax Americana and Forced Reform of the World Aren't Coming By William Pfaff International Herald Tribune A born-again isolationist : By trying to rule the world, we open ourselves to the world's madness. America should let go of its empire and set its own house in order. Salon.com |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 197 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava BIOLOGICAL WAR-FEAR, The secret history of anthrax, Declassified documents show widespread experimentation in '40s Germ Warfare Maverick's Book Tells How to Make Anthrax By Paul Zielbauer and William J. Broad, International Herald Tribune After a Quick Victory, a New Age of War Begins By Clifford Beal IHT Warlord sends Shi'ite rivals packing : New Zealand Herald And they call it Thanksgiving : War and peace part four: America By Bill Kauffman US raids target residential areas in Kunduz TOI/AFP What Is 'Defense'? By Joseph Sobran, After World War II the Department of War was renamed the Department of Defense to soften its image. "Defense" sounded nicer than "war." Look Again: Islam and Economic Development Go Together By Philip Bowring International Herald Tribune Bush warns the worst is yet to come FROM DAMIAN WHITWORTH IN WASHINGTON |
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immortal 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 198 of 510 ) BIOLOGICAL WAR-FEAR, The secret history of anthrax, Declassified documents show widespread experimentation in '40s Germ Warfare Maverick's Book Tells How to Make Anthrax By Paul Zielbauer and William J. Broad, International Herald Tribune After a Quick Victory, a New Age of War Begins By Clifford Beal IHT Warlord sends Shi'ite rivals packing : New Zealand Herald And they call it Thanksgiving : War and peace part four: America By Bill Kauffman US raids target residential areas in Kunduz TOI/AFP What Is 'Defense'? By Joseph Sobran, After World War II the Department of War was renamed the Department of Defense to soften its image. "Defense" sounded nicer than "war." Look Again: Islam and Economic Development Go Together By Philip Bowring International Herald Tribune Bush warns the worst is yet to come FROM DAMIAN WHITWORTH IN WASHINGTON |
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immortal 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 199 of 510 ) I will be happy if Talibans are defeated totally and Afghan people are given the right to choose their rulers . The scenerio is bleak . The nothern alliance is no different from Taliban , it seems , as they have killed lots of prisoners already . If an Afghan hate another Afgahn what will the world do ? Because of one Bin Laden whole of Afghan is suffering . How can they fight USA ? They don't have Nuclear bombs , destroying-all missiles ,they don't even have enough food to eat . USA is a revengeful nation . It has both money and power. Now it will try to kill / imprison all the entraped Taliban . Afghanistan was poor , it will be poorer after the war . My country is suffering a great deal in Kashmir from the Taliban-helped terrorists groups . But I cannot blame whole of Afghanistan for it . The destitute , poor of Afghanistan are just like the poor people in India . They are just simple people like us but sometime superstitious and blinded by religions just like us . Who can hate them ??? I ONLY HOPE THE WEALTHY AND POWERFUL NATIONS WILL REBUILD AFGHANISTAN . I ALSO HOPE AFGHANS WILL STOP ALL THE INTER FIGHTINGS . |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 200 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava 'Crusade' term shows errors in propaganda Eyereeish Tames After the Taliban, will Afghanistan’s women really be free? by Judith Lewis, LAWeekly Pashtuns May Demand Own State : By Shiraz Paracha, Institute for War & Peace Reporting 'Special forces killed' From AFP 24nov01 Nazi Tribunal Is Model of Deception By By Ann Woolner The Validity of Anti-War Criticism By Tim Wise, AlterNet |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 201 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava To secure Afghanistan’s future, bring back its women By Pamela Philipose IE Waiting to usher in a new dawn : Rooma Mehra, The Tribune Free Speech, R.I.P. By Hank Hoffman, New Haven Advocate Ari & I : White House Press Briefing with Ari Fleischer, by Russell Mokhiber RETRO-REALITY : We're in a time machine – and it's the early '60s (again!) Asian Reservations About the War on Terrorism By Philip Bowring International Herald Tribune Eastern Afghanistan in the grip of anarchy : Rory McCarthy, in Kabul, Irish Times |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 202 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Defense and War: A Biblical Perspective by Ron McKenzie When the U.S. berates and then bombs the media it may be a war crime : Laura Flanders, WorkingForChange. Ethnic divisions in Afghanistan BY LOUISA MCLENNAN, Lundon Tames Mass Slaughter Of the Taliban's Foreign Jihadists BY ALEX PERRY/MAZAR-I-SHARIF, TIME.COM Afghanistan Reporter Looks Back on Two Decades of Change : D.L. Parsell, National Geographic News My trip on death road BY JANINE DI GIOVANNI, The Times Beyond Osama: The Pentagon’s Battle With Powell Heats Up : Saddam in the Crosshairs by Jason Vest, villagevoice.com Putin is succeeding where Brezhnev failed By Robert Fox London telegraph The Terrorist Who Started World War I. By Keith Edgerton, History News Service. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 203 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The war on journalism : As seven western correspondents are killed in one week in Afghanistan, author Phillip Knightley asks if frontline reporters are now considered legitimate targets??? For women, the war is not over : If the Taliban was bad for women, some of them say the Alliance is worse, writes Margarette Driscoll in The Sunday Times Utopians At Play: Making Others Into Our Own Image. thetexasmercury.com The Mind of a Terrorist : Just the Facts, Please by Heather Wokusch AntiWar.com The battle for Afghanistan: As the cities fall, stage is set for a new guerrilla standoff HUGH BARNES, KANDAHAR, The Sunday Times Troops ready to storm Taliban spiritual home By Sean Rayment in London, Alex Spillius in Quetta and agencies, SMH Bush turns America's fury towards Saddam By Stephen Robinson in Washington, The Telegraph Portal US targets three more countries, JAMES CLARK, NICK FIELDING AND TONY ALLEN-MILLS, WASHINGTON, The Sunday Times |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 204 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ... listening to Pearl Jam singing Dada King's 'Masters of War'...so tathagat sing this song again... Come you masters of war You that build all the guns You that build the death planes You that build the big bombs You that hide behind walls You that hide behind desks I just want you to know I can see through your masks You that never done nothin But build to destroy You play with my world Like it's your little toy You put a gun in my hand And you hide from my eyes And you turn and run farther When the fast bullets fly Like Judas of old You lie and deceive A world war can be won You want me to believe But I see through your eyes And I see through your brain Like I see through the water That runs down my drain You fasten the triggers For the others to fire Then you set back and watch When the death count gets higher You hide in your mansion As young people's blood Flows out of their bodies And is buried in the mud You've thrown the worst fear That can ever be hurled Fear to bring children Into the world For threatening my baby Unborn and unnamed You ain't worth the blood That runs in your veins How much do I know To talk out of turn You might say that I'm young You might say I'm unlearned But there's one thing I know Though I'm younger than you Even Jesus would never Forgive what you do Let me ask you one question Is your money that good Will it buy you forgiveness Do you think that it could I think you will find When your death takes its toll All the money you made Will never buy back your soul And I hope that you die And your death'll come soon I will follow your casket In the pale afternoon And I'll watch while you're lowered Down to your deathbed And I'll stand o'er your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead (or atleast tried in Hague) |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 205 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava We won't remove Saddam by starving Iraqi children Information, please: Government censorship must not continue unchallenged Bush's Hollow Victory By David Corn, AlterNet Censorship : Can a free press survive America's new war? by Alan Pittman, Eugene Weekly This war is not just By James Carroll, The Boston Globe Another war on terror. Another proxy army. Another mysterious massacre. ...And now, after 19 years, perhaps the truth at last... , The eyes of the world are on Afghanistan, but today a Belgian appeals court is due to consider a case with disturbing contemporary parallels. Robert Fisk reveals shocking new evidence that the full, horrific story of the Sabra and Chatila massacres of 1982 has not yet been told Women's freedom march banned in Kabul Afghans uneasy as Russians show flag in Kabul By Peter Popham in Kabul, The Independent Khanabad 'decimated by the Americans, 100 civilians killed' New Zealand Herald |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 206 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Suffer Palestine's Children By Sunil K. Sharma @ COUNTERPUNCH Revenge killings reported in Kunduz : Beeb CIA and School of the Americas : by Raymond Ker, Media Monitors Network Afghan Conference Won't Bring Unity : STRATFOR Legacy of civilian casualties in ruins of shattered town : By Justin Huggler in Khanabad, The Independent Patriotism slows inquiries into intelligence failures: The Independent Men in black jackets slip into seats of power : War on Terrorism: Media By Kate Clark in Kabul, The Independent Bombs as Self-Defense? by John Buell, commondreams.org Race and Ratings in Tony Blair's Britain : How Britain's Public TV Channel 4 Killed V.S. Naipaul's Mr Biswas By Tariq Ali Imagine: Iraq: Tigris and Euphrates : a play in one act By Tariq Ali The Jews : Robert Green Ingersoll Gods : Robert Green Ingersoll [1833 - 1899] |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 207 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Only Alternative to Global Terror: Father, Son and Holy War : by Rohini Hensman © Economic and Politial Weekly, India Burkas stay on as women of Kabul wait for their liberation : Rout of Taliban fails to improve the female lot By Rory McCarthy in Kabul, The Guardian U.S. Details Response to Smallpox : Cities Could Be Quarantined and Public Events Banned, Bhaasington yahoodi Post CATASTROPHIC INTELLIGENCE FAILURE West's feminists under fire from female general FROM STEPHEN FARRELL IN KABUL, The Times When a Pro-Life (???) President Kills Robert Fisk: We are the war criminals now : 'Everything we have believed in since the Second World War goes by the board as we pursue our own exclusive war' A Thirsty Evil: By Chris Floyd, Moscow Times Justin Raimondo : ISRAEL AND 9/11 : Feds holding 60 Israelis in connection with 9/11 – Why? |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 208 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava WAR ON TERROR : Writings hint at Condi's bio-attack response plan, Bush's top security adviser doesn't rule out nukes to retaliate against non-nuclear state The Afghan King and the Nazis: A German Dispatch From 1940 Shows King Mohammed Zahir Shah's True Colors By Tariq Ali Silencing Powell: Between American Reticence and Israeli Intransigence: by Hanan Ashrawi THE NEW GREAT GAME: Oil Politics in Central Asia The hostage nation : Former UN relief chiefs Hans von Sponeck and Denis Halliday speak out against an attack on Iraq, The Guardian Defining Terrorism By Phillip Cryan Playing the great game : Jonathan Freedland, The Guardian Why did we let Pakistan pull ‘volunteers’ out of Kunduz? A New Foreign-Policy Paradigm for Americafff.org A Continuum of Terror: From Mujahedeen to al-Qaeda By Tom Turnipseed Wake Up, America By ANTHONY LEWIS, NYT (Reg. Required) Treatment of captive enemy divides warriors Irish Times FBI v. CIA: Battle in Cyberspace By Charles R. Smith |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 209 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Russia Checkmated Its New Best Friend by Eric Margolis : Common Dream NewsCenter Wartime's reality eludes Hollywood : By STEVE PERSALL, St. Petersburg Times, Gainspotting : By Chris Floyd in The Moscow Times Bush's Inexperience is Showing : Dire Threats Emanating from Washington Have Horrified America's Allies By Eric Margolis Going Backwards : US Wins Defeat of Depleted Uranium Study by Irwin Arieff American Jews are ready for peace in the Mideast, SignOn San Diego Carter, Jack. "The Great Game: The Struggle for Caspian Oil." Behind the jargon about failed states and humanitarian interventions lie thousands of dead. : John Pilger Britain asked to prepare strikes against terror bases in Somalia By Robert Fox and Jessica Berry Russia Is Back in Kabul and in the 'Great Game' Robyn Lim IHT |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 210 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava How Best to Help Iran's Democracy Movement: Don't. Derek Copold thetexasmercury.com Bush's Missile Shield Is a Science Fiction Fantasy by Marleen S. Barr US Afghan allies were bombed as they slept By Richard Lloyd Parry in Jalalabad Lies, Damned Lies, and War by Frida Berrigan Justice Deformed: War and the Constitution NYT EditO This dangerous patriot's game : After 11 September, the US introduced laws that, according to leading American academic Patricia Williams, 'mirror the worst excesses of some dictatorships' : The Observer Villagers Dying Under U.S. Bombs, Anti-Taliban Forces Say Tim Weiner New York Times Service wrong target for second time in two days By Richard Lloyd Parry in Jalalabad ASHCROFT'S REIGN OF TERROR : American citizens aren't exempt, Justine Raimondo Sharon seeks Bush's OK for attack that could end Arafat era : SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Anthrax Inquiry Looks at U.S. Labs By WILLIAM J. BROAD and JUDITH MILLER, NYT Swiss voters reject bid to abolish armed forces Israel's 'missile message' to Arafat |
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ragamuff 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 211 of 510 ) BAD POEMS FOR BAD TIMES Qala i Jhangi (to the men of CNN) While some are going mental in the Intercontinental I sit tight and phone by satellite to the men of CNN to the men of CNN I will always remember the morning in November when I filed the report of the slaughter at the fort to the men of CNN to the men of CNN The soldiers did surrender to the war lord pretender their hands tied with silk turbans -all to fill the tanks of the Suburbans of the men of CNN of the men of CNN And after the prisoners were blown up or burnt in oil the thieves came and took their spoil. teeth, boots-they picked them clean. Too brutal, too horrid, the whole rotten scene for the men of CNN for the men of CNN Still, a few were left. They ate a horse. This is jihad-they must have said-of course, to die burning, starving, cold, wet, in a trap in a place far away, just a dot on the map of the men of CNN of the men of CNN The photographs of the Marines, planting flags in the dust, are off limits to journalists in a war that is just. The pictures you see of the dead in the sand, aren't nearly as nice as some boys from America giving a hand for the men of CNN for the men of CNN |
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surajj99 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 212 of 510 ) CALL FOR HIS EXTRADITION! Here in the US, the media and gov't are typically covering up the fact that the American John Walker (the White Taliban fighter seen on CNN) was an active terrorist in Kashmir. There is a simple way to highlight this very crucial piece of information. India should be calling for his extradition to face charges of terrorism and incitement of revolution. And the Indian press should be atleast as loud and obnoxious they were during the Denness debacle. India must take full advantage of this opportunity to turn the screws on American (actually, White) indifference. After all, this guy has admitted to the world that he agrees with terrorism and has been directly involved in Kashmir (how he got there must be a mystery) . The likilhood of him firing on American troops is nill, since they are not in range. But the likihood of him firing on Indian troops is almost guaranteed. Why aren't we calling for his head!? He has probably killed Indians in Kashmir without regret or conscience. Someone please do something about this ludicrous turn of events. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 213 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Dust in Our Eyes By ANTHONY LEWIS, NYT Fox Portrays a War of Good and Evil, and Many Applaud By JIM RUTENBERG Spy Wanted. Must Know Hollywood. By JULIE SALAMON Clampdown covers websites, libraries, even press releases. By Brad Knickerbocker Staff writer of The Christian Science(?!?) Monitor It Is Crazy to Curtail Due Process Rules, Don't gut civil liberties by invoking evil. By ROBERT SCHEER, LA Times Is this what we mean by victory? By Salim Muwakkil. Salim Muwakkil is a senior editor at In These Times, Chicago Tribune A Village Destroyed – US Says It Never Happened, The Independent Senators and Legal Scholars Doubt Ashcroft and Bush By Sam Hamod |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 215 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Hi all! Update: Visit the Plum Village website at and find a written transcript of Thich Nhat Hanh's speech as well as in audio. Peace and Love be with us all. "Terror is in the human heart. We must remove this terror from the heart. Destroying the human heart, both physically and psychologically, is what we should avoid. The root of terrorism should be identified so that it can beremoved. The root of terrorism is misunderstanding, hatred and violence. This root cannot be located by the military. Bombs and missiles cannot reach it, let alone destroy it. Only with the practice of calming and looking deeply can our insight reveal and identify this root. Only with the practice of deep listening and compassion can it be transformed and removed. Darkness cannot be dissipated with more darkness. More darkness will make darkness thicker. Only light can dissipate darkness. Violence and hatred cannot be removed with violence and hatred. Rather, this will make violence and hatred grow a thousand fold. Only understanding and compassion can dissolve violence and hatred. "Strike against terror" is a misleading expression. What we are striking against is not the real cause or the root of terror. The object of our strike is still human life. We are sowing seeds of violence as we strike. Striking in this way we will only bring about more hatred and violence into the world. This is exactly what we do not want to do. Hatred and violence are in the hearts of human beings. A terrorist is a human being with hatred, violence and misunderstanding in his or her heart. Acting without understanding, acting out of hatred, violence and fear, we help sow more terror, bringing terror to the homes of others and bringing terror back to our own homes. Whole societies are living constantly in fear with our nerves being attacked day and night. This is the greatest casualty we may suffer from as a result of our wrong thinking and action. Such a state of confusion, fear and anxiety is extremely dangerous. It can bring about another world war, this time extremely destructive. We must learn to speak out so that the voice of the Buddha can be heard in this dangerous and pivotal moment of history. Those of us who have the light should display the light and offer it so that the world will not sink into total darkness. Everyone has the seed of awakening and insight within his or her heart. Let us help each other touch these seeds in ourselves so that everyone could have the courage to speak out. We must ensure that the way we live our daily lives (with or without mindful consumption, with or without discrimination, with or without participating in injustice, ...) does not create more terrorism in the world. We need a collective awakening to stop this course of self-destruction." - Thich Nhat Hanh |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 216 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Winston Smith's Hate Session : America's New War? Or War On Americans? transcribed for you an excerpt beginning from page 13 of George Orwell's book 1984. It describes a hate session orchestrated by Big Brother via the telescreen. The characters in this scene are reacting very much like the media mind-controlled masses of America are responding today to the message of "rage, revenge, hate, bomb and kill, destroy the enemy" being promulgated by the controlled media. And today. . . just as in the story book, the enemy is a phantom. Usama bin Ladin or Emmanuel Goldstein. . . The hate is cleverly induced... The net gets cast further and endangers many freedoms By LEWIS W. DIUGUID - The Kansas City Star Stopping the Perpetual War By B. Ness Britain and 100 other states warn Sharon on rules of war By Stephen Castle in Brussels, independent.co.uk The Six Principles of Political War : Book Excerpt By David Horowitz @ FrontPageMagazine.com Aristocrat who turned his back on Taleban FROM CATHERINE PHILP IN QUETTA, thetimes.co.uk Charley Reese: Too many coincidences for him, enterprise-journal.com US bomb hits Afghan PM as deal is signed By Toby Helm in Bonn and Stephen Robinson in Washington |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 217 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Shock as columnist investigated for un-American activity smh.com.au Poll: Americans Tolerant of US Muslims By Rachel Zoll, AP Religion Writer, washingtonpost.com Historians: Pearl Harbor attack prompted by intelligence discrepancy fdr and pearl harbor: the foia revelations by Doug Cirignano, The Disinformation Are Palestinians Human? by Sam and Leila Bahour War or no war, rights are rights! Right? by Ricardo Pimentel, arizonarepublic.com Sharon chose the Hamas By Amira Hass, haaretz.co.il Danger of war as Arafat hits at Hamas FROM CHRISTOPHER WALKER IN GAZA CITY, thetimes.co.uk GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF : U.S. building up forces near Iraq, 2k soldiers sent to Kuwait, more coming... worldnetdaily.com Rooting Out Terrorists Just Became Harder By JAMES ORENSTEIN, NYT The Final Secret of Pearl Harbor By John T. Flynn October 1945 Pearl Harbor Historiography: A Lesson in Academic Housecleaning, by Gary North lewrockwell.com |
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ssss 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 219 of 510 ) Taleban is on run.Terrorist attack on usa are not like in kashmir i.e on public places and government offices. Pakistan mushraf is trying to make a image of fighting against terrorism.Media and politicians say terrorists are pakistani,talebani.But at same time attacks in kashmir are increasing.So kashmiri islamic terrorists are not controlled by pakistan and taleban(else usa since was first priority of islamic terrorists,there attacks wouldnot have subsided.All are on run.And till day kashmiri terrorists have not killed a ruler or attacked India like usa.Clearly taleban and islamic terrorists isnot bothered much about india.) Who controls it(a insider?).Let intelligence agencies start from here? Or they are controlled by few people,not in control of mushraf.Find them and finish them by suicide attacks of hindu martyrs with help of RSS(very few people at top).Laws wont help. Even usa attacks are hyped by media.Pride of a nation is parliament not stock exchange towers.Had terrorists hit usa parliament usa pride would have been hit.USA is a super power today also(with pride intact),but fighting easy unequal wars on terror. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 220 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava War Without End By A.C. Thompson : The battle created severe "environmental hotspots" that pose "acute health risks" to the residents of four major cities, reports UN team leader Pasi Rinne. In the eyes of Rinne and his fellow researchers, a "new type of complex humanitarian emergency" is unfolding in post-war Kosovo. A key concern for the UN is the use of depleted uranium (DU) shells, 30,000 of which were fired during the battle for Kosovo. The UN fears that DU rounds, which unleash clouds of toxic, mildly radioactive uranium particles--and have been dubbed "the Agent Orange of this era" by greens--may be contaminating drinking water in the region. Just as the ecological damage done to Kosovo has been largely ignored by the American media, few have considered the long-term environmental consequences of the conflict in Afghanistan. Military analysts expect the Pentagon to employ DU in the Afghan theater, but in lesser amounts than in previous wars. "You won't see that much depleted uranium used because there just aren't the targets," says Philip Coyle, a senior adviser at Washington, DC's Center for Defense Information. But that doesn't mean this war is an eco-friendly affair. Hawks on the Hill Kafka and the Patriot Act @ Counterpunch Qandahar on brink of chaos as warlords ready for battle The observer Robert Fisk beaten by mob By Raymond Whitaker FEAR HAS ITS USES : Why these endless terrorist alerts? US Forces Suspension of Germ War Pact, EU Angry By Richard Waddington Wanted: Dead or Alive in Afghanistan BY PROF RONALD HERRING, CORNELL UNIVERSITY Is it in Bush's political interest to prolong the war? Get tomorrow's cliché today at kausfiles. By Mickey Kaus UN chief accuses Israel of terrorising Palestinians : By Phil Reeves in Gaza City @ independent.co.uk |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 221 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Help! Police! : Ashcroft’s war is against all who speak against the system : Geov Parrish, WorkingForChange Challenging Questions by Hanan Ashrawi @ MediaMonitors.net Why did Japan attack us? Pat Buchanan Dossier on civilian victims of US Aerial Bombing : A comprehensive Accounting Who’s a Traitor? NYPress Once lost, these freedoms will be impossible to restore : The terror threat is being used to attack civil rights here and in the US : Hugo Young, The Guardian The War at Home by David Harrison @ mediamonitors.net |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 222 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Questioner: You say the present crisis is without precedent. In what way is it exceptional? KRISHNAMURTI: The crisis is exceptional because it is in the field of ideation. We are quarreling with ideas, we are justifying murder.... Before, evil was recognized to be evil, murder was recognized to be murder, but now murder is a means to achieve a noble result.... The implication is that a wrong means will produce a right end, and you justify the wrong means through ideation. In the various crises that have taken place before, the issue has been the exploitation of things or of man; it is now the exploitation of ideas, which is much more pernicious, much more dangerous, because the exploitation of ideas is so devastating, so destructive.... That is what is happening in the world today. Man is not important--systems, ideas have become important. Evil is evil; it cannot bring about good. War is not a means to peace. War is intellectually justified as a means of bringing peace . When the intellect has the upper hand in human life, it brings about an unprecedented crisis. -Krishnamurti, The First and Last Freedom |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 223 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ...And tathagat want 2C them in charge in most institutions... because they are more pragmatic than men, they have a greater capacity to cope with reality, they are earth-bound. Man leans more towards the sky and the woman is rooted in the earth. It is a very pragmatic arrangement. Man leans more towards the sky and the woman is rooted in the earth. If the woman takes charge of the whole world, the world will drop many stupid things. For example, wars will disappear. Of course, there will be more beautiful clothes, fashion shows, modeling, but weapons, atomic bombs, hydrogen bombs, etcetera, will disappear. No woman is interested in all these things. Hiroshima and Nagasaki will not happen again; it is only the man who can do these things. Crusades will disappear, religious wars will disappear, jihads will disappear. No woman is interested; her interest is very pragmatic, real. She is more interested in clothes, in cosmetics, in beauty; and those concerns are good--they keep you more alive. Man's concerns are very dangerous--political, religious, economic--and they make more and more mischief. In the name of serving humanity more mischief happens than anything else: in three thousand years, five thousand wars have been fought and the whole credit goes to man. Millions of people are killed in the name of love, in the name of democracy, in the name of freedom, in the name of God. Now, no woman can do that. And I don't think you can have a world war because of cosmetics or clothes and designs and dramas and new dishes--you can't have world wars because of these things! |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 224 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The credibility gap : Pentagon lies and civilian deaths in afghanistan, workingforchange.com Rumsfeld isn't telling whole story : thestar.com Secret US deal with Putin over ABM treaty By Toby Harnden in Washington, portal.telegraph.co.uk ET TU, ISRAEL? : Did the Israelis have advance notice of 9/11? Probably. Justin Raimondo Horowitz's Horrornaama Afghan 'kamikaze camels' warning : BeebOnline Scrambled Messages, nypress.com Translators Interpret bin Laden Tape : Yahoo portal... many more stories... there... U.S. Bars Surrender of Qaida and Presses Attack With Bombs and Special Forces By Susan B. Glasser, Washington Post Service IHT U.S. Troubled by Failure to Capture or Kill Qaida Leaders Thomas E. Ricks and Steve Vogel Washington Post Service IHT POWELL & BUSH DISAGREE OVER NEXT TERROR TARGET by Jim Lobe A dangerous list to the right By John H. Bunzel Will our constitutional rights be a casualty of war? By Jim Wallis What if bin Laden isn't caught? Bush's personalizing of war could prove troublesome Ramsey Clark, Peacenik : Memo To: Rep. Henry Hyde [R-IL] From: Jude Wanniski, Re: Ramsey Clark's U.N. Letter on Iraq Un-American, Fly-Shit Melody by Gilles d'Aymery We May Have Waited Too Long By Deck Deckert |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 225 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Happy Xmas (War Is Over) Yoko Ono & John Lennon So this is Xmas And what have you done Another year over And a new one just begun And so this is Xmas I hope you have fun The near and the dear one The old and the young A very Merry Xmas And a happy New Year Let's hope it's a good one Without any fear And so this is Xmas For weak and for strong For rich and the poor ones The world is so wrong And so happy Xmas For black and for white For yellow and red ones Let's stop all the fight A very Merry Xmas And a happy New Year Let's hope it's a good one Without any fear And so this is Xmas And what have we done Another year over A new one just begun And so happy Xmas We hope you have fun The near and the dear one The old and the young A very Merry Xmas And a happy New Year Let's hope it's a good one Without any fear War is over, if you want it War is over now Happy Xmas them sing songs... Happiness John : Tributes in RealAudio Neil Young Singing 'Imagine'... tathagat replaces 'brotherhood' with 'siblinghood' for obvious reasons... John tells me its foockin' foine with him :), why didn'tch u foocking tull me bufour... The Prose and Poetry of John Lennon... |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 226 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Cruelty of memory : Edward Said Understanding Indian Muslims By Balraj Puri in soon2be The Buddhist We have only tears for the soulful Baiju Bawra By Rooma Mehra Sunday Tribune "Aarzoo jurm wafaa jurm, tamanna hai gunaah/ Yeh woh duniya hai jahaan pyaar nahin ho sakta/ Kaise bazaar ka dastoor tumhein samjhaaoon/ Bik gaya jo woh kharidaar nahin ho sakta..." Stuck Records : TOI THE SCORE SO FAR: MOSCOW 10; WASHINGTON 2 U.S. should reconsider aid to Israel St. Petersberg Times Is John Walker a failure of liberalism? The Chicago Tribune fairy tale at Christmas : Coverage of this war has played down the civilian deaths and 4m refugees, feeding a new US doctrine of terror By Madeleine Bunting, The Guardian Breeding little hawks By Javed Jabbar in The Buddhist America's World War II Prison Camps : lewrockwell.com Returning to the Roots of Patriotism by Dan McDonald lewrockwell.com Jensen: Bush administration dilemma: Dealing with Arafat now that Israel refuses to : rockymountainnews.com |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 227 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Are humans, getting more and more mad/insane/defect ?.. Or, am I getting more sane,.. or, more insane ?! Presently, hardly socializing, and having a certain order in my psychic and at times silence,.. when I do come in contact with human minds, (even if it is for a short time,..at the´bakery or buying a snack somewhere), I see all this output of distorted, dishonest, noisy and substanceless expressing of apparently and utterly, 'defect' minds.. !? Also my ex-girl-friend, whom I have not seen for quite a while, when there is a short exchange via letters or telephone messages, it seems to me that her communication skills have deteriorated even more,.. to a level of where her responses are completely 'off the wall'.. !? Is humanity a mad-house, or is it me that is the mad-house ? Has anyone else, experienced this ? (yup jb... it dawned upon tathagat too... More & more peoples' communication/relating styles, seem to be like a wall of static/gibberish/screeching&twisted sounds, with hardly any substance .. a kind of zombie-belches and growls from some 'beyond', impossible to cut thru and reach the other person .. as if, there is actually, 'nobody home'... And their 'heavy-metal' growling 'music', .. to be honest, _does leave_ their bleeding marks and pollution, on the ears of one's 'soul' .. At times, I can almost envy, the insensitive ones(the ones for whom, all this cacophony, is not a problem).. they seem to survive rather well .. jb |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 228 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The Nonsense Mantras of Our Times : By Ilija Trojanow and Ranjit Hoskote What's the world like?/ A flock of sheep./ One falls into the ditch,/ the rest jump in. Kabir (Sakhi: 240, The Bijak of Kabir, trans. Linda Hess and Shukdev Singh) Criminalizing Dissent by Sarah Blackstock Fear Drives the Making of a Secret Government By Charles Levendosky New York Times News Service, IHT From the Irv Rubin Bust to the Stern Gang: The Rich History of Jewish Terrorism Oy McVey by Jason Vest, villagevoice.com Bush's Coup d'Etat by Harry Browne The innocent dead in a coward's war : Estimates suggest US bombs have killed at least 3,767 civilians : Seumas Milne, The Guardian Did Osama Buy His Freedom from a Pushtun Commander? And, will America's Media Continue it Protection of Terrorist Drug Dealers? by Mary Mostert, Analyst, Banner of Liberty - (www.bannerofliberty.com) Praful Bidwai : WAR OR PEACE: Why war is no option HT The Irrelevant, the Invisible, and the Impossible By Hanan Ashravi The Art of Institutionalized Oppression: An Israeli Manual : By Ramzy Baroud, Editor-in-Chief, palestinechronicle.com |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 229 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Restrain the war mongers AJ Philip in Indian Express CAGe Dec 13. Quote. Unquote. : By Pamela Philipose in Indian Express Edward Said wonders: is Israel more secure now? The mad leading the blind War mongers and their media lapdogs workingforchange.com India and Pakistan on the brink of war FROM COOMI KAPOOR IN DELHI AND ZAHID HUSSAIN IN ISLAMABAD The Times The Wars on Terrorism JONATHAN SCHELL The Nation Goofing-up again (rolling on the floor lol) : Coomi Kapoor in Indian Express Killing Other People's Children By Lawrence McGuire The people who got hit were going to congratulate Karzai on the transfer of power Beeb The Enduring War: History's Lessons by Christopher D. Cook and John Rodgers Need for constraint : Masooda Bano in Jang Bush Predicts 'War Year' in 2002 : Yahoo News Portal |
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thetruth 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 230 of 510 ) The terror cycle....GO TO PAKISTAN...SEE FOR URSELF..... HINDU POPULATION WAS 23% IN 1948 , In 1991 HINDU POPULATION less than 1.5%.... So we can see who r the villains , who r the enemies of civilisation....THE HAPPENINGS IN PAKISTAN WILL EVEN PUT LATE MR. HITLER TO SHAME ...SOME PEOPLE HAVE A RELIGION WHO GURANTEES THEM 72 WIVES AND 80000 SLAVES IN HEAVEN FOR MURDERING THE KAFFIRS.... |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 233 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava MUSHARRAF TWISTS BUSH's ARM FROM K.P. NAYAR in Washington ...(look in archive dated 29th Dec. 2001. The Hindu And The Telegraph change their URLs... it is like, publishing twice... the same stuff... and turn off and turn away a few 'hits'... ah after 9 hours from now it would be Try This Next Rein in the pyromaniacs : ...Verbal bonfires in uncertain times do us no good(?) it messes up a lotta poor lives... This Is Not a Test... By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF, NYT (Reg. Required) ...it is the way the escalations mimic war simulations held over the years. Spooks and scholars have conducted many mock conflicts between the two countries, with specialists playing the parts of leaders on each side. Very frequently the result is nuclear war. In conversations with experts, including those who launched nuclear strikes in these war games, the precariousness of the South Asian nuclear balance is clear. Paradoxically, the tiny number of nuclear weapons on each side creates instability and an incentive to launch a first strike — use your arsenal or lose it. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 234 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Image and Reality: The Role of the U.S. in the Middle East : by Hanan Ashrawi [Media Monitors Network] Al Qaeda planning next phase : From a Pakistan safehouse, the Taliban's top intelligence chief claims bin Laden is alive and well. By Mashal Lutfullah Special to The Christian Science Monitor Weapons of mass destruction — going nuclear in Iraq By Ramzi Kysia, jordantimes.com Fog of war : "Black Hawk Down's" gripping images of the U.S. military's missteps in Somalia grope about in a context-free void. By Andrew O'Hehir in Salon.com Here's a news flash: War is hell. All right, it helps if we don't forget that, especially at this time of pseudo-war, when the distant, ambiguous conflicts playing out in Whateveristan or Televisionistan seem more like video games, or breathless "reality" specials hosted by Ashleigh Banfield, than the real thing. Scientists confirm bin Laden weapons tests BY ANTHONY LOYD, Lundon Tames : FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT OF THE YEAR Published on Friday, December 28, 2001 by Common Dreams, Is bin Laden the Lord of the Rings? by Ira Chernus Advani’s albatross : HT Editorial Sow seeds of construction : By Praful Bidwai in HT 'The most precious gift' By Kathy Kelly jordantimes.com |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 235 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava India won't act under US pressure: Addvaani LakhanRekhawala... yeh muNh aur masooor ki daal... or why pumkin don't grow on trees... ha ha ha!!! SiphyDotCom Haajir aHai Many leading newspapers owned by dalle-baniye in India and Pakistan have called for their governments to show restraint as tension increases in the wake of the terror attack on the Indian parliament. WAV Vijay Dutt, London-based journalist with the Buddhadesh Times has India's perspective, : CNN... 1.7 MBs / 2 mins 40 secs [WAV file] CNN : Shahed Sadullah, Journalist with the Daily Jang for Aman has Pakistan's perspective, 3.3 MB / 5 mins 17 secs [WAV sound] Four Pakistani soldiers killed bunkers destroyed in firing Drudge Report, Sat Dec 29 2001 03:12:37 ET 1000's flee homes to escape military build-up : The latest military stand-off is part of a bitter rivalry, reports Rahul Bedi, from Chandigarh, north India, THE IRISH TIMES The Indian domestic factor By Dr Jassim Taqui 19 Indian Soldiers 'shaheed' Laying Landmines at Indian side of the border : JAISALMER: Nineteen Army jawans were 'shaheedoed' in a blast during training exercises on the Indo-Pakistan border, official reports reaching the district headquarters here said Saturday The Opposition does a balancing act : The Opposition parties have had to tread carefully in negotiating the aftermath of December 13. Javed M. Ansari and K.V. Prasad of the eeendu on how they did it. A borderline existence : Arun Joshi/Vimal Bhatia/Ram Prakash Meel of HT (Srinagar/Jaisalmer/Sri Ganganagar, December 29) |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 236 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava The Struggle for the Soul of the 21st Century by Bill Clinton, CEO de globalVillage The lecture was presented 14 December 2001. Published by Beeb FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS FOLKS: Hope you had a merry Christmas – 'cause it's gonna be a Satanic new year : Justin Raimondo India bans peace group from visiting Pakistan India, Pakistan Rattle Their Nukes by Eric Margolis Pakistan moves troops to east By Nilofar Suhrawardy, Special to Arab News India's coercive diplomacy By C. Raja Mohan The Eeendu 2002 forecast for Asia: more bloodshed and death Yahoo I remain, sir, Haggard of the Hindu Kush : Never mind the needless deaths, we've only succeeded in making bin Laden a shadow of his former self : By Terry Jones : The Observer India Warriors Ready for Pakistan Fight : By Beth Duff-Brown Associated Press Writer WP Maai Baap We may never find bin Laden, Bush concedes : Ed Helmore in New York, The Observer Ten reasons why Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not the Taleban and Al-Qaeda - The Daily Star (Lebanon) (Dec 30, 2001) A Tragic Calculus - Newsweek (Dec 23, 2001) We will win nuclear war, says India BY RICHARD BEESTON, DIPLOMATIC EDITOR AND ZAHID HUSSAIN IN ISLAMABAD |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 237 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ...ka bhai saaiTwa down ra'hat hai most of de times... ?!!!? The Lord Chief Justice Woolf of UK... has accused the Home Office of promoting too much legislation... as he renews his attack on new anti-terror laws... n it be repealed as soon as they were no longer "absolutely necessary"... : BBC Whales' Deaths Linked to Navy's Sonar Tests By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Where does Musharraf go from here? : While facing challenges in Afghanistan, Gen Musharraf now has to fight on many fronts, including relations with India and tackling political restlessness at home. Shahzeb Jillani presents Meezaan bbc.co.uk/urdu How far back can Islamabad bend? Pakistan's Afghan policy took a U-turn with a little prodding from the US and a few dollars in cash. Is Kashmir policy next? At what price? Wusatullah Khan's Maktoob-e-Pakistan, bbc.co.uk/urdu Muted voices, suppressed knowledge... By Avijit Pathak in HT India opens door for talks with Pakistan By Ahmed Rashid in Lahore and Rahul Bedi in New Delhi (Filed: 01/01/2002) Knocking them down just to build them up By Michael Martinez chicagotribune.com New year's wishes By Tony Benn Former Labour MP in The Guardian Blame this bad reporting on `the fog of war' : Slowly but surely, America is learning to laugh again. : Thank you, Geraldo. And thank you, Fox News, for sending him to Afghanistan. By CARL HIAASEN : Miami Herald 60's quotes... Sharon strengthened by rival's election : Fracturing of Labor Party gives prime minister more power STRATFOR Israel Premier Vetoes Truce Plan... Sharon, Bush, Bin Laden Most Hated Men of Year in Saudi : tehrantimes.com Avoiding wars needs courage and responsibility By Dr Jamal A. Shurdom jordantimes.com |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 238 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Journalists are playing into the hands of George Bush when they unthinkingly insist that everything is different since Sept. 11 BY MATT SMITH of SF weekly Press Review By Matt Taibbi : ...I had heard that The New York Times had performed more efficiently than usual lately, but I was completely unprepared for the effect of the actual paper in print. It features wartime propaganda so bald that it would not be out of place on leaflets dropped by C-130 onto enemy territory. It probably makes sense to raise the question of how much the government really distinguishes between winning those faraway hearts and minds, and winning ours back here. Probably not much. The only difference is that as an American, as opposed to as a member of a future subject race, you have to pay $2.50 for the pleasure of reading your Times— although I did enjoy mine with a free Meal-Ready-to-Eat, Beef with Mushrooms, that my father brought back from Afghanistan as a gift. The flaws in Downing Street's fatwa : Claiming war has made us safer is a dangerous hostage to fortune : George Galloway : guardian.co.uk The Arrival of Orwellian America By Rick Gee, strike-the-root.com Pakistan Jilted as Afghans Warm Up to India 2130 GMT, 020102, Stratfor Civilian death toll is not big news : By Vincent Browne, Irish Times U.N. Fears Abuses of Terror Mandate : Rights Monitors See Some Governments Using New Requirements to Justify Repression by William Orme Allan Massie: The real power resides in the state By ALLAN MASSIE Nat Hentoff : Miseducating the Young on Freedom : The Patriotism Enforcers : villagevoice.com America's elusive quarry : By Mahir : The Dawn |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 239 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava First, they came for the terrorists, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a terrorist. Then they came for the foreigners, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a foreigner. Then they came for the Arab-Americans, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't Arab-American. Then they came for the radical dissenters, and I didn't speak up, because I was just an ordinary troubled citizen. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. (Adapted from Pastor Niemoller's 1945 quote about the Nazis*) Buying a gladiatorial myth : Both Bin Laden and US cold war nostalgics pine for epic narratives By Naomi Klein in The Guardian War won’t solve a thing : It won’t eliminate terrorism, ...it will ruin our economies BY SANAT MOHANTY, IE The Government That Cries Wolf By Stephen Gowans @ swans.com Good Cop, Bad Cop and Pakistan Stratfor Pakistan's perspective : New U.S. defense pact with India dangerously threatens rival's sense of security : Muddassir Rizvi : WorkingForChange |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 240 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava INDIA'S TERRORIST MINISTER : Defense chief George Fernandes raised funds and supplied arms to the terrorist Tamil Tigers : Justin Raimondo INDIA'S 'AMEN CORNER' : Why is Andrew Sullivan whitewashing the persecution of India's Christians? : Justin Raimondo ...surely must know about the widespread persecution of Christians, particularly Catholics, since the Hindu nationalists came to power in 1996. That year, the United Christian Forum for Human Rights documented over 120 attacks on Christians by Hindu-fascists. The wave of murders, church-burnings, and other outrages has increased exponentially ever since Interior Minister L. K. Advani, a Hindu hardliner, took his" chariot journey "from a Hindu temple in Gujarat province to Ayodhya, alleged to be the birthplace of the Hindu deity Rama. Like Mussolini's march on Rome, Advani's journey was the signal for the beginning of a new era in the politics of the subcontinent, marking the rise of militant Hindu-fascism as the dominant political force. The Hindu fundamentalist Bharatiya Janatha Party (BJP) quickly grew from a fringe group, with 2 seats in Parliament, to the biggest party on the Indian scene. Advani's march on Ayodhya culminatedin the demolition of a mosque there, and coincided with launching of a program dedicated to " saffronizing" Indian society. UNHOLY SACRIFICE : You might think that the term "Hindu-fascism" is as much an overstatement as its antipode, "Islamo-fascism," which we have heard so much about lately from Sullivan, Christopher Hitchens, and the pro-war crowd. Yet what else are we to make of the BJP's official slogan, "One Nation, One People, One Culture" -- eerily similar to that of the man Nazis? In this context, should we be surprised by the news that a Hindu priest recently sacrificed an 8-year-old boy to the god Shiva, known as "the Destroyer," by chopping off his head? |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 241 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Rise of Internet 'Borders' Prompts Fears for Web's Future By Ariana Eunjung Cha, Washington Post Staff Writer Mandela to Apologize for Supporting U.S. on Terror War by Farah Khan... Sharon Dooms Israel—and Perhaps the United States—to Endless War By Rachelle Marshall for WRMEA, THE WASHINGTON REPORT ON MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS Musharraf forces 'hand of friendship' on bitter foe By Peter Popham in Delhi, The Independent Seeking havoc : Israeli pressure on the Bush administration to launch an attack on Iraq must be ignored, writes Ibrahim Nafie in Al Ahram, Cairo Beware patriotism when it seeks to take away rights : By M. Cherif Bassiouni. M. Cherif Bassiouni is a professor of law at DePaul University Indian rhetoric adds to the chill By Sultan Shahin Asian Times 10 Things to Do During the High Alert Through March 11 by Joseph Barbato You'll never walk alone : Peace activists from Europe and the United States have been staging solidarity demonstrations in Bethlehem and Jerusalem to tell Palestinians they are not alone in facing Israeli occupation. Michael Jansen accompanied the activists : Al Ahram Spare our blushes and put a sack on it : Taping a bag over the heads of Afghan prisoners stops us feeling anything for them, so we can breakfast in peace : Terry Jones in The Observer China's carried out an unsuccessful launch test of a re-entry vehicle for its newest long-range missile, the Dong Feng-31, according to U.S. officials. US missed three chances to seize Bin Laden : Sunday Times |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 242 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava 'Low-key' Cherie leaves India cold By Nigel Morris of The independent in Delhi Cherie Blair is used to being showered with gifts when she travels abroad, but she has received more brickbats than bouquets in India. She has been criticised in the local press for her "stand-offish" manner after reporters were denied access when she visited a school, law centre and temple in Bangalore. The Times of India complained: "The visitors seemed slightly hostile and the venues she visited were [a] 'no trespassers' zone for Indians. It did leave a touch of the old colonial trace. She refused to even wave out to the people in waiting when she visited the Christel House, a school for poor children. Indian minister attacks 'interfering' Blair : Kashmir crisis By Nigel Morris in Bangalore, India Blair's visit fails to calm Indian rage at Pakistan By Andrew Sparrow in New Delhi and Rahul Bedi in Kathmandu After the expose : Hundred hours of tape, eight months of after-shocks By TARUN J. TEJPAL in IE Pentagon concedes weakness of military strategy in Afghanistan By Toby Harnden in Washington Police: Tampa flyer voiced support for bin Laden : Crash into bank building a suicide, officials say : CNN Facts Altered in Anti-Terror Effort : By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer Mirror, Mirror of The Fall : By MAUREEN DOWD NYT (Reg. Required) Someone Tell the Kids By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN, NYT |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 243 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava _Rival Armies Are 'Eyeball To Eyeball' in Tense Kashmir : By Mark Landler New York Times Service : IHT South Asia war could be biggest since WWII By Martin Sieff, UPI Senior News Analyst Eradicating terrorism — two steps By Walid M. Sadi, The Jordan Times Pakistan Widens Crackdown, Rounding Up More Militants By ERIK ECKHOLM 22 Indian troops killed while laying mines : Indian spy drone crashes in Azad Kashmir : jang.com.pk Afghan City, Free of Taliban, Returns to Rule of the Thieves By C. J. CHIVERS The New York Times Intifada was 'big mistake': Arafat aide U.S. envoy returning: Palestinian No. 2 says armed uprising has backfired : Martin Himel : National Post In the January Chronicles : Islam, the West and Faith : Scott McConnel Making Artificial Distinctions : War is Politics : Alan Bock THE BIG CHANGE (Part I) : Post-9/11: Left and Right merge into a permanent War Party : Justin Raimondo Bloody evidence of US blunder : By Rory Carroll in Qalaye Niazi, The Guardian _In search of enemies : Michael Young : dailystar.com.lb Do We Fear Freedom? Our rights are not abstract : By Robert Corn-Revere Legal Times The glaring omissions : frontierpost.com.pk The strange case of Zacarias Moussaoui : FBI refused to investigate man charged in September 11 attacks By Patrick Martin, wsws.org |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 244 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava 'Mullah Ashcroft' to Meet 'Mullahs' Advani, Fernandes : Rajghatta TOI Dubya shoots from the lip, again CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA... (what do u expect... the guy looks dangerously foolish... Radical Muslims to bring terror to Britain, militant vows : AFP/SMH HAPPY NEW YEAR, WELCOME TO ORWELL'S 1984 By Paul Walter NewsWithViews.com A St. Petersburg Times Editorial : Trumped up terrorism numbers New controversy over weapons ship seized by Israel : Yahoo Israel and India 'share same views' (on TeRRoR... it's terror when 'chosen people of God' utter the very word... TeRRoR) : BBC More video evidence against Osama found megastories.com ''Somalia: a hidden U.S. agenda?'' : By Sharif Nashashibi, Chairman of Arab Media Watch, yellowtimes.org Antiterrorism spending passes $60-billion : Associated Press Bush Says War on Terror Justifies Deficit Spending By Arshad Mohammed |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 245 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Taking out the Taliban - I : By Gail Omvedt in The Eeendu ``For never in this world Do hatreds cease by hatred. By freedom from hatred they cease: This is the eternal dhamma.' (Dhammapada 5) Peace is the only option : Let our leaders remember that their job as politicians is to find political solutions to intractable problems. By Kalpana Sharma & Ayesha Khan Afghan war ripples across Central Asia : Pakistani President Musharraf caught in political quagmire David Rieff, Special to The San Francisco Chronicle As ye sow, so shall ye reap : Americans can take comfort in military superiority, says JOHN LLOYD. But their high-tech weapons may come back to haunt them : theglobeandmail.com More than Bush bargained for? : American involvement has South Asia on the brink of nuclear war By ERIC MARGOLIS, Contributing Foreign Editor TORONTO SUN The FBI's ol’ black magic : Getting another step closer to Big Brotherhood : David Corn, WorkingForChange |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 246 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Patriotism of the Ostrich by Tony Judt : nybooks.com -Nuclear Weapons: Abolish or Perish by Andreas Toupadakis : mediamonitors.net When War Doesn't End By Tamara Straus, AlterNet Nuclear testing back on US agenda : By Walter Pincus in Washington for SMH -Alllaaahh! 'Allah came knocking at my heart' BY GILES WHITTELL The Times ...Anecdotal evidence suggests that there has been a surge in conversions to Islam since September 11, especially among affluent young white Britons China fixes Pak air imbalance with India : By Kamran Khan Explosive New Book Published in France Alleges that U.S. Was in Negotiations to Do a Deal with Taliban Beware of mission creep : Col. David H. Hackworth, worldnetdaily.com |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 247 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava America, the War, and Israel: An Exchange : By Louise Weinberg, Reply by Tony Judt : The New York Review of Books The Nixon Story You Never Heard By Joan Hoff, counterpunch.org Have the Blairs gone completely bonkers? thesun.co.uk Arms Seizure Backfires, Wounds Israel : StratFor (Strategic Forecasting) California Gov. calls for added wiretap authority : State could track e-mail, Net use Lynda Gledhill, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau sfgate.com Afghanistan enters new phase of warfare By Syed Saleem Shahzad |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 248 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava
A MAD MAD WORLD World cartoonists turn on the USA Charley Reese: Peace, goodwill missing this yearTHEY'RE ONLY SLEEPING : by AHMED RASHID, Why militant Islamicists in Central Asia aren't going to go away. nooyorker phaikt Jensen: U.S. won't evade fallout by waging 'proxy wars' US assures Pakistan of defence cooperation : National defence at all costs, Islamabad tells Washington; Zakheim meets Hamid Nawaz, Shaukat : By Shakil Shaikh & Nadeem Malik, Jang-e-Aman Israels boosts military ties with India : Ben Lynfield In Jerusalem Russia wary of America's stance on military bases By Ben Fenton |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 249 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava 'India's deadly defence : ... the 1,800 mile long minefield : Outlawed weapons create no man's land on Indian Side of the border : By Simon Tisdall and Ewen MacAskill : The Guardian 'Pakistan wants its airbases back : Pasni and Jacobabad now in joint use of Pak-US air forces By Kamran Khan : The Jang US asks Israel to downplay talks on Phalcon sale to India : Harsh Dobhal (PTI) : Jerusalem, January 10, HT What has 'Victory' Achieved? : by Harry Browne : January 11, 2002 'CIA report on missile build-up baseless: China TOI
'Anti-American agents in Pakistan and Iran accused of providing escape routes for terror suspects : Julian Borger in Washington : The Guardian The Bunker : George Szamuely : NY Press |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 250 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ...so much so for divide and rule... the trick worked fine... both these baboonlands must have bought weapon worth billions from their white 'masters'... while their people starve... their schools and everything else... screams of poverty... right now about 3 million people running amok... in fear, livin' on the edge... untold misery for women/ children/ old n the sick... thousands of crores worth crop lost... across the 'borders'... "Masters of War" ... I hope u all die and ur death(s), slow and pianful one... will come soon... I will follow ur caskets... in the pale afternoon... and opposition won't forget CAG's Casket catch... 'A Victim of Its Own Rhetoric? : By Cyrill Stieger, Neue Zürcher Zeitung/ Switzerland 'No Need for War : Vajpayee should meet Musharraf. Curiously, the December 13 attack can serve to open up an opportunity for India-Pakistan cooperation: FEER Dangerous Manoeuvres : A confrontation that began with a suicide attack and has moved to the brink of war could bring about real progress on long-standing issues. But first, the two sides have to resolve the current conflict : By Joanna Slater/DELHI and Ahmed Rashid/LAHORE, FEER Independence for Kashmir Could Have Advantages for India : By Philip Bowring, International Herald Tribune 'Hiding behind a nuclear cloud By Nadeem Iqbal in Asian Times Who will strike first? The Economist INDO-PAK : Nuclear deployment danger : By RALPH COSSA for japantimes.co.jp The isolation of India By Francesco Sisci for Asian Times 'Kashmir grafic : Mapping the conflict : TIME Here is a truth we can all agree on : There can't be real friendship between India and Pakistan until two old, angry wounds are healed By Kamila Shamsie : The Guardian (Beeb, Sahara, FTV and PTV off the network in most cities... while Pak has allowed Indian TV back...) |
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every 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 251 of 510 ) Try ur best , But u fail to hide ur anti-nonmuslim face...Ur ugly anti-India attitude takes off the mask so often....Don't pretend to be a holy ghost... |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 252 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Unny's Business As Usual ...oh what an address2be, general... what a build up... now, u look like world leader... no one take Dubya n Blair seriously... u will git better TRPs neeway... don't remember Advaani having any credibility whatsoever... not now... not ever... he looks n sounds a king dhoort, ghaag, and a makkaar... whatever he is at he would fail... wonder how many more lives he is going to play monster with... ... there must be someway outta here/ said the general 2 the hindu hawks/ there is 2 much CONfusion/ I can git no relief... hostile nations on two big borders... and coalition letting me down... while i plead singin' 'stand by me'... ...no reason 2 git excited/ the chief he kindly spoke/ there r many here among us/ who feels life is but a joke/ U n I have been thru' that/ and this is not our fate... so let us not talk falsely now... the hours are getting late... the general plays the harmonica... all along the watch tower/ the general kept his view... outside in the distance... a wild cat did growl... Eff something were approaching... n the wind begun 2 HOWL... 'We're ready for nuclear war' : by Nigel Rosser Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S., Maleeha Lodhi, offers her perspective on the escalating tension between her country and neighboring India. Limited war with Pakistan possible: Indian COAS Teacher with anti-war views removed from teaching mass media class : By RAY PARKER, Naples News India’s strategy: Attack across a wide front : Kanwar Sandhu for HT |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 253 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Ready…set…build! : A new base near China plus no ABM treaty equals a new arms race India places great expectations on Israel ... : By Sudha Ramachandran ... and they could be misplaced : By Sultan Shahin The Politics of Terrorism, or Civilians vs. Civilians : By William Pfaff, International Herald Tribune ‘No Man’s Land,’ a war masterpiece : Built on lunacy, : rage and fear, satire climaxes with a gut punch : Branko Djuric and Rene Bitorajac in "No Man's Land" : By David Germain ASSOCIATED PRESS US challenged on terrorist evidence : Audrey Gillan : Saturday January 12, : The Guardian Is Cataclysmic Terrorism Ahead? By Patrick J. Buchanan : January 12, 1999 Emerging alternatives in Palestine : Edward Said A Question of Conscience : Hanan Ashrawi 'Mindless and mistaken : America's Afghan policy lacks coherence : Leader Friday January 11, 2002, The Guardian 'Ł1bn arms push to India :· Blair criticised over deal days after promoting peace · 60 Hawk jets in package promoted by ministers : By Richard Norton-Taylor and Ewen MacAskill, The Guardian 'Reckless Rhetoric : SIDDHARTH VARADARAJAN |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 254 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Unny's Business As Usual -A 1-DAY FILM FESTIVAL OF AWARD WINNING DOCUMENTARIES WHICH LIFT THE VEIL ON THE MOTIVES AND METHODS OF MILITARY AGGRESSION -War movies strike back : portal.telegraph.co.uk/arts -Ending terror in Kashmir : India and Pakistan: Both need to take confidence-building measures to end tensions, legitimize politics. : sunspot.net/ -Without prejudice : American cant : The treatment of al-Qaeda and Taliban prisoners by the United States offends a sense of justice : Terrorism crisis - Observer special : Peter Beaumont Sunday January 13, 2002 The Obj;)erver Text of President Musharraf's Address to the Nation : (on a single page) : The Dawn more than 60 I's and 11 My's and 3 Mees... (K called himself 'the speaker'... Buddha called himself 'tathagat') the general... no actually... Prez Musharraf didn't even say ' Arabic of the Hebrew... 'Shalom YalekHum'... :), guy is good... progressive and modern... and compassionate that perhaps his religion teaches him... "...Sectarian terrorism has been going on for years. Everyone of us is fed up of it. It is becoming unbearable. Our peace-loving people are keen to get rid of the Klashinkov and weapon culture. Every one is sick of it. It was because of this that we banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Sipah-e-Muhammad. Yet little improvement occurred. The day of reckoning has come. Do we want Pakistan to become a theocratic state? Do we believe that religious education alone is enough for governance or do we want Pakistan to emerge as a progressive and dynamic Islamic welfare state?... " -Human Rights Developments ; India (Buddhadesh) -Human Rights Developments : Pakistan (Progressive, modern, moderate Mammadland???) |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 255 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Indo-Pak Border: War May Turn Daily Ritual Into Tragedy The Observer laws that make America look a lot like those countries it always criticises. By Pilita Clark, SMH Central Asia: U.S. Military Buildup Shifts Spheres Of InfluenceBy Jean-Christophe Peuch -America quietly changes war aim : FROM ROLAND WATSON IN WASHINGTON -Spare us wild west justicendependent.co.uk The US Nuclear Posture Review: Putting the Promise of Disarmament on the Shelf By David Krieger Tony Blair Tours the World, and the American Empire Expands : By William Pfaff International Herald Tribune `Leave the house now - bulldozers are outside' By Amira Hass haaretzdaily.com Those who sow the wind will reap the whirlwind By Nehemia Strasler, haaretzdaily.com BRITAIN has protested to the US about the treatment of al-Qaeda prisoners... BY TOM BALDWIN, MELISSA KITE AND ROLAND WATSON, Times UK |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 256 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Indo-Pak Border: War May Turn Daily Ritual Into Tragedy The Observer laws that make America look a lot like those countries it always criticises. By Pilita Clark, SMH Central Asia: U.S. Military Buildup Shifts Spheres Of InfluenceBy Jean-Christophe Peuch -America quietly changes war aim : FROM ROLAND WATSON IN WASHINGTON -Spare us wild west justicendependent.co.uk The US Nuclear Posture Review: Putting the Promise of Disarmament on the Shelf By David Krieger Tony Blair Tours the World, and the American Empire Expands : By William Pfaff International Herald Tribune `Leave the house now - bulldozers are outside' By Amira Hass haaretzdaily.com Those who sow the wind will reap the whirlwind By Nehemia Strasler, haaretzdaily.com BRITAIN has protested to the US about the treatment of al-Qaeda prisoners... BY TOM BALDWIN, MELISSA KITE AND ROLAND WATSON, Times UK |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 257 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava INDIA PAKISTAN CONFLICT! in CARTOONS by all the top cartoonists. editorial cartoonist Pak seeks UN intervention to ease tension with India : HT/PTI : United Nations, January 9 Washington will keep decommissioned nuclear weapons in reserve : By Walter Pincus in Washington for SMH Bad Intelligence Causing Pentagon-CIA Rift : StratFor Phernandes Blasts US Policy on India : HT No certainty war can be avoided: US : By Amir Mateen, Jang for Aman British al-Qaida suspects disappear : By Rory Carroll in Kabul, Wednesday January 9, 2002, The Guardian Taleban leaders freed in US snub : FROM TIM REID IN KANDAHAR AND ROLAND WATSON IN WASHINGTON Ed Stein |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 258 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Sack -US moves fuel bellicosity elsewhere By James Carroll, -Musharraf Says He Will Back Down if India Does : -War is No Excuse to Surrender Hard-Won Civil Rights; It's Time To Do More Than Complain by Jeff Milchen -Gulf News says: An opportunity for hope -PAKISTAN - Library of Congress: A Country Study -INDIA - A Library of Congress Country Study -Editorial: Blowback II : Others use antiterror doctrine to settle scores : Sacramento Bee : Published 5:45 a.m. PST Thursday, Jan. 10, 2002 -The Long Wait by Kathy Kelly Commondreams.org -Why They Believe The Big Lie by Ira Chernus, Commondreams.org -Russia: Putin-Bush Palsy-Walsy? by Milo Clark -Blind cruelty : ha'aretzdaily.com -US will have its way in Kashmir By Achin Vanaik, (With permission from Foreign Policy In Focus http://www.fpif.org) @ Asia Times |
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sal 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 259 of 510 ) Tathagat I enjoy your interesting posts !! Good going. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 260 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava ...Momma Bush'a, the buffoon wouldn't listen 2, 2 chew before swallow... :)... lol... I guess the moron would be impeached for Insanity or stupidity... even American are so jaahil... can't tell from a ShaikH to a Sikh... meri bhaiNs bhii ho gayii bajrangii... lol... -Britain has a duty to ensure the Geneva Conventions are upheld 'Those POWs against whom there is no evidence of international criminality must be repatriated' : Geoffrey Robertson : The Independent -Under cover of revenge By Akiva Eldar, Haaretz -Opening the Caspian Oil Gol MaalTap : A pipeline long sought by the U.S. looks set to win approval : Businessweek.com -The Next Wave? : A suicide attack on India's Parliament could open a new front in the war against terror BY PHIL ZABRISKIE, The Time Mag. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 262 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava -Sweating Over Kashmir : Compromise is needed on both sides, and maybe an acknowledgement of history : FEER Edit -Give Peace An Effing Chance _President Musharraf has tried to ease the tension on the Subcontinent, but the incessant military build-up could create an unstoppable momentum : By Ahmed Rashid/LAHORE and SARGODHA, FEER.com -New Criticism Signals Tension Between U.S. and Russia _By Peter Baker Washington Post Service -The Israeli authorities have denied claims that three Palestinian youths were tortured to death. Lara Marlowe sifts the evidence : The Irish Tames -Anti-terror drive used to justify abuses SMH -Reaching the parts other empires could not reach : In return for security in the region, the US will snap up central Asia's oil By Simon Tisdall, The Guardian -Deterrence that failed _By Syed Refaqat, the dawn.com -A Moment to Seize in Kashmir _By AYESHA SIDDIQA-AGHA. NYT -Why is U.S. flouting rules on prisoners? _By Thomas Walkom of thestar.com -What the army hides from the public _By Amira Hass : Ha'aretz -The Anti-War, Anti-State Right _by Murray N. Rothbard, lewrockwell.com Actor David Cross L) poses with two models as he arrives for at a party following the screening of his new comedy film "Run Ronnie Run!" (Me movie would be named 'Eat Harry Eat" hindi version would be 'Khaa Hari Khaa') January 12, 2002 at the 2002 Sundance Film Festival in Park City, Utah. The film based on characters from the HBO series "Mr. Show" follows a small town loser who becomes a television superstar. REUTERS/Fred Prouser |
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luvvmann 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 263 of 510 ) tathagat, stop this bullshit. you cannot cover your anti-india and anti-hindu bias with these postings. only fools like you will compromise with the pakistani monster. jammu and kashmir is an integral part of india and pakistan will be pushed out by force if necessary. then the state of pakistan will be liquidated nad broken into pieces. that is the only solution for peace. nothing else is acceptable. Moron. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 264 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava A whole Lotta... BhaiNs Bhayi Bajrangi" cagle.slate.msn.com -Media and War, Appearance and Reality : StratPhor -Human rights warning over response to September 11 : Richard Norton-Taylor : The Guardian "The fight against terror must not buy into that logic. [It] must reaffirm the principle that no civilian should ever be deliberately killed or abused. But for too many countries, the anti-terror mantra has provided a new reason to ignore human rights." -US Agent (dalla) Hamid Karzai... a fashion icon?!!!? By Sujannah Phrankel, Phasion Editor, the Independent -Kashmir's children of war struggle to carry on, :[January 17, 2002 Posted: 12:36 PM HKT] (0436 GMT), (DD2NDTV khachchars, baiNs da tabelas... lol... pl notice {pl wake up!!!} the time line {...the ideas and the content of the story, or u all r gonna keep bummin' around... baabu, chapraasi, ghar jamai... Indian TV such an ugly, puky show... monkeys on a bullockcart... intolerably rustic and substandard in quality... Sonia Verma and voiceOvers (NDTV) [AajTak is worse) yesterday afternoon Hind'vi (Urdu) News did almost a mistake a minute... tathagat skip the channel which does a bhaiNs act... Saleha is on this morning and she is a relief... :) it must be disgusting for almost 400 million Urdu speaking people in the region... Hindi is no language and a pure political phenomenon... street hoodlums running me cable... tathagat is without BBC, CNN, PTV, FTV, MTV, Sahara, EnaduUrdu... out of 40 odd channels... 4-5 are perpetually down, untuned mostly... unmonitored... every effin' bhaiNs here seems... bahyi bajrangii... ha ha ha! -Indians use humour as weapon against world terror By Biman Mukherji, smirkingchimp.com -The Salon Interview : Noam Chomsky : The nation's most implacable critic of U.S. foreign policy argues that the war is unjust, America is the biggest terrorist state and intellectuals always support official violence. -Asia's Nuclear Pandora's Box By Pavel Felgenhauer MassCow.times |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 265 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava A homeless Palestinian refugee boy plays in the rubble-strewn area where his home once stood in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip January 15, 2002. Israeli bulldozers destroyed the home with about 60 other homes last week. (Goran Tomasevic/Reuters) Published at Yahoo -Solving the refugee issue — 'driving Palestinians into the sea' By Adam Shapiro, Jordon Times -Clock is ticking for Israel By Jeff Halper, frontierpost.com.pk -A senseless "dance of death" By by Holger Jensen The Jewish state, they point out, was created by the United Nations, yet with the help of an American veto consistently ignores U.N resolutions to vacate Palestinian lands captured in 1967. The Palestinian issue rankles not only Arabs but Muslims worldwide, and gives the terrorists among them one more anti-American cause. Israel maintains that the West Bank and Gaza Strip were captured in a war started by the Arabs and that the occupation is justified as long as there is no permanent peace. It has built more than 140 settlements there, now populated by more than 200,000 Jews, in violation of the Fourth Geneva convention that prohibits the transfer of civilian populations to territories captured in war. Sharon says it's the Palestinians who don't want peace. He and other government officials cite Arafat's rejection of Barak's “generous” offer, his duplicity in talking peace while trying to smuggle in 50 tons of Iranian arms and the anti-Jewish diatribes that pervade the Palestinian media and even textbooks in their schools. The Palestinians respond that the Israelis brought it on themselves by occupying their land. If the occupiers now regard themselves as victims of the occupied, they say, the answer is simple: end the occupation. ...how many pre mature death will it take B4 they reckon that too many people have died... yes... a three letter word so hard2utter... |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 266 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Dubyaman Shaakhaa No, I'm not PM, says red-faced Jaswant : New Delhi, Jan 18 : Sify.com ... not just that average American gone potato... but the media persons too... The media simply do not understand the war. The number of correspondents who have served in the military is trivial; the number who have been involved in or studied intelligence is even fewer. They are superb at doing human-interest stories on a war -- give them a refugee family, and they are good for a week. But understanding the decision-making within, say, the Taliban, and understanding what it is trying to achieve is simply beyond them. The media confuse demons with morons. The media demonized bin Laden, al Qaeda and the Taliban. If they were devils, they were also stupid. The idea that the Taliban had a war plan and that they were executing it when they withdrew from the cities was simply beyond most of the media. The media are highly emotional, particularly when covering a major topic they don't really understand. The media are highly dependent on experts. Because reporters themselves know very little about the subject, they have a great deal of difficulty identifying who an expert is. Any retired officer above the rank of lieutenant colonel is an expert. These officers are dedicated team players, even in retirement. All are positive about how well their particular service is doing. Sept. 11 was partly an attack on New York, the media capital of the world. It created a particular mind-set within the media, one that took the war very personally. Reporters have a personal need to feel that the war has been brought under control, and they see every action as bringing them closer to safety. Farewell liberty by IGNACIO RAMONET : la monde An interview with Amartya Sen, the Nobel Prize-winning economist and author of Development as Freedom... > |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 267 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Unny : BusinessAsUsual : China is going around with a portable single window and we’re stuck with our little Great Walls. No Valentine Day Celebrations in Mumbai: Mulla Thackeray, Chief of Staff, Lumpen gHunda/Baaner Sena... Stop conversions, RSS chief warns missionaries: Sanjay Sharma in Bhopal, Sify.com ...tathagat calls upon all hindutwa proponents to go 'dhammam shranam ghachhchami', 'buddham shranam gachhchhami', 'Sangham shranam gachhchhami'... to be decent human beings... right now they r just disinformed hate ridden ugly/ disgusting monsters... angulimaar's present day avataar'a... N-war assures mutual destruction By Kanwar Sandhu (Chandigarh, January 17) Buddhadesh Times Let Slip the Blogs of War By Tim Cavanaugh, OJR Contributor Room for Growth : China and India's New Relationship By Sascha Matuszak MANUFACTURING DISSENT : Noam Chomsky : He's really an interventionist – and also completely clueless.: Justine Raimondo Pentagon forced to redraw map for military matters : SMH |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 268 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava @ cagle.slate.msn.com/ Lights Out: Enron’s Failed Power Play : To George W. Bush, the head of Enron was ‘Kenny Boy’—until now. As the shock waves from the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history shake Washington, the scandal machine is cranking up in search of a White House CONnection. Let the Enron Wars begin : By Howard Fineman and Michael Isikoff, NEWSWEEK Eight Questions for Bush about Enron : The sooner he explains what he knew and when he knew it, the more distance he'll put between himself and the growing scandal : the Enron debacle as "Bush's Whitewater." BusinessWeek.com and if they investigate Dahbol Enron saga... Sharad Power and Manohar Joshi and Thakrey and Company would be behind bars for the loot which they have done for sure... Enron and the Bush administration: kindred spirits in fraud and criminality By David Walsh, World Socialist Web Site Why did Rudy Giuliani give the New York Stock Exchange a billion-dollar handout? By Michael Grunwald, Posted Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 8:21 AM slate.msn.com Rumsfeld hints at much broader military mission BY TOM INFIELD Washington, pioneerplanet.com U.S. throws wrench into Russia ties : ABM, disarmament moves irk Kremlin Why We Kill People By C.G. Estabrook : CounterPunch.org Titan 4 Lofts Milstar: Defense Orbital Switchboard Now Complete, spacedaily.com Protecting Our Way of Life? by Sheldon Richman, About That Weapons Bust : The Ships on the Way: By Uri Avnery, counterpunch.org |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 269 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Sunday Cartoon: Unny in IE Chinese leader's plane 'bugged' : Chinese intelligence officials are reported to have discovered more than 20 spying devices in a Boeing 767 purchased from the United States for use by President Jiang Zemin. One was even found in a lavatory... lol... the Chinese leader is said to be furious. : Beeb Why everyone can be on the same side of war By Sheldon Richman, San Francisco Chronicle Loose Lips, Pink Slips : How President Bush made the White House leak-proof. By PEGGY NOONAN, OpinionJournal.com Interview with Dr. Hanan Ashrawi : By Hisham Aldiwan, palestinechronicle.com The war against the unborn : How did we get to the point where Israeli soldiers are preventing women in labor from reaching a hospital? By Gideon Levy, haaretzdaily.com Critics say the death toll from the United States bombing of Afghanistan has been covered up - and the media are most to blame, reports SCOTT MacLEOD : New Zealand Herald The Nuclear Posture Review: Reading Between the Lines by Michelle Ciarrocca, CommonDreams.org Top secret: Just whose government is it, anyway? Don Wycliff, ChicagoTribune.com |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 270 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Palestinians Defiant as Israel Blows Up Voice of Palesine Radio/TV Station middleeastwire.com GUCCI GOES TO WAR ;) The gay glitteratti join the War Party : justin raimondo column Targeting Tehran By Galal Nassar in Al Ahram US in replay of the 'Great Game' : Costs and consequences of American engagement in Central Asia begin to become clear, Edward Helmore Almaty, Kazakhstan for Observer Erratica: Enduring Pretzels By Bachi J Karkaria, HT ‘Bin Laden is the Lenin of the great Islamist revolution’ : HT O what a lovely war! : Pamela Philipose in IE Troops to stay until wanted men handed over: India The News Pk Palestinian radio defies Israel attack, Gulf Times (Doha, Qatar) Six-year War Alarms Europeans : NCM Online, By Paolo Pontoniere Saudi denounces US agenda behind bombing campaign By Ewen MacAskill in London for SMH Bomb goes off at American embassy : Helicopter crash and warnings of attack on a major installation add to the air of menace in Kabul, Ian Traynor in Kabul, The Guardian Actress Sela Ward poses during arrivals at the 59th annual Golden Globe Awards in Beverly Hills, January 20, 2002. Ward was nominated for Best Actress in a Television Series Drama. (Fred Prouser/Reuters) British singer Geri Halliwell performs "It's Raining Men" at the NRJ music award in Cannes January 19, 2002. Halliwell took best international song honors for the hit. REUTERS/Vanina Lucchesi/Pool |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 271 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Unny : Business As Usual : Are you quitting politics [master of war]? For a whole day you haven’t commented on the war. India: We're Trying to Avoid War By LAURINDA KEYS, Associated Press Writer [ha! India looks clear agressor, Just2divert attention from CasketScam and desperate attempt2retain the 15% province... patriotism the first, last and perpetual refuge of an scoundrel...] Key commander was shifted at US behest Vishal Thapar in HT Jingoism-e-Hollywoodaii By the BBC's Jonathan Fryer ...Black Hawk Down, a blockbusting war movie based on the shooting down of two US Blackhawk helicopters in Somalia in 1993, has been released to critical acclaim in the United States. India, Israel, Turkey cooperation threat to military balance in SA From Afzal Khan the Nation Pk "The USA is not an empire..." ...and God didn't make the little green apples. Manuel Miles, aka Kaptain Kanada, is a politically incorrect writer from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. He is rude, nasty, intolerant, insensitive, hateful, hurtful, and proud of it. If something he writes hurts your sensitive New Age feelings, don't bother to whine to him about it; he doesn't care. He is a self-professed enemy of the state, and his personal goal is "...to die fighting for Liberty." THE Norwegians have come up with a novel way of avoiding international territorial disputes — just give away the contested land. In the most peaceful territorial handover of recent times, Norway has agreed to pass the ownership of a small island to its neighbour, Finland, without seeking anything in return. A glaring absence of due process of law : thescotsman.co.uk Brutal conditions inside Cuban cage By Vickie Maye for SMH Don't bed down with tyrants to fight terrorism By James Bovard usatoday.com |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 272 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Illstr. Economistan. STOP THIS BRUTALITY IN OUR NAME, MISTER [Cherrie] BLAIR, THIS is what is being done in the name of humanity, civilisation and the British people. mirror.co.uk Robert Fisk: Congratulations, America. You have made bin Laden a happy man : 'We are turning ourselves into the kind of deceitful, ruthless people whom bin Laden imagines us to be [Advaanized?!? :)]', 22 January 2002 independent.co.uk Bush Adviser Suggests War as Campaign Theme by Richard L. Berke commondreams.org CIA takes on major new military role By John Donnelly, Globe Staff Mideast religious leaders condemn "killing innocents" Ya hooo Red Cross: US broke Geneva Conventions But Blair has 'no substantial complaints' about treatment of al-Qa'ida suspects By Andrew Buncombe in Washington, Andrew Grice, and Nigel Morris, independent.co.uk Time to say goodbye to Saudi Arabia mess pensacolanewsjournal.com |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 273 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Punch Cartoon-e- Classics For God's sake, stop this talk of war : The Archbishop of Wales argues that bombing is not the answer By Rowan Williams, Monday January 21, 2002, The Guardian ALLAN MASSIE: Does the US care about losing the peace? thescotsman.co.uk The war against terror is making villains of us all : Camp X-Ray isn't the only disgrace. What about Belmarsh? By Richard Norton-Taylor, The Guardian Israel bulldozes in to subdue cities By Ross Dunn, in Tulkarm, West Bank, and agencies SMH Donors pledge $9bn, with strings attached : Shane Green and agencies SMH Philippines rules out permanent US bases in fight against Abu Sayyaf : Ya hoo Military pygmy Europe must up defence spending -- NATO (01/22/2002) (Agencies), China Daily US trying to lease land in Pak for military use: Report PTI from Islamabad, January 22 [Gobar chaap may double the offer, the way they r dancing2the tunes of Uncle kHudgarz Sam...] Here and Now by Sudhir Tailang in HT : We hope to sell more than 100 units of our Rath — in case better sense doesn’t prevail in UP. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 274 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava MIRROR IMAGE by Jayachandran in Outlook 'I never called Vajpayee mask of BJP govt' : Govindacharya, TOI/PTI [ WED., JANUARY 23, 2002 9:42:21 PM ] [eib kya pachhta'ye, jib chiRia chugg ja'ye khait] Kashmir - A Historical Deception But Conciliation In-Sight : Media Monitors.net BBC Scotland home affairs correspondent Reevel Alderson looks at the appeal case and the decision to allow proceedings to be shown live on the internet. A New Current in Palestine by Edward W. Sa'id Pakistan allows US to use Karachi Airport : 25-member team surveys logistic facilities in the city By Masood Anwar, The News Pk Afghan victims of US bombings demand compensation : Ya hooo |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 275 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Gulf News says: Goma needs help, photo Time Magazine. It is estimated that two-and-a-half million people have died in Congo because of the war since 1998. Nobody paid any attention at all to that, not in the western media anyway. Natural disasters are more televisual writes Vincent Brown/ Irish Times Claim: Younger generation won't even touch print newspapers Neil Morton says newspapers will perish within two decades if they aren't re-invented. He writes: "A new generation is growing up on the net and for many of them, the print papers aren't even an option; even if they do read the papers, they tend to end up on the online version through a referral." OBSERVATION: "Newspapers have been overtaken by technology in the way radio was by TV." (Shift.com) > In Letters: Newspapers won't survive? We're heard that before! RUSSIA’S foreign ministry has summoned the British ambassador in Moscow to protest about a meeting in the Foreign Office in London with a Chechen separatist envoy. : The Scotsman The Ongoing Blood Feud by Uri Avnery, Media Monitors 2002: A year of uncertainty in the troubled Balkans : A secession referendum in Montenegro, fragile peace in FYROM and a political vendetta in Tirana may spark more unwelcome conflict : By Stavros Tzimas, Kathimerini What if the tables were turned? by Daoud Quttab, Media Monitors Indonesian rebel chief killed : Beeb |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 276 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava UNNY: Business As usual But how can we trust Musharraf, Your Excellency? He’s a politician.[actually he is a professional, competent and educated unlike politicians... corrupt, dhoort ghaagz... types who could sell their cows... and beside they r worst kinda jaahils] MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS : Jan. 23 — Police arrested three Bangladeshis and three Indian teachers at an Islamic school and charged them in an attack on a U.S. cultural center, officials said Wednesday. Meantime, the Indian government appeared to back down from its earlier assertion that the shooting was a terrorist attack, saying it was too early to tell the motive, after the United States said it was not certain the attack was political.[... b'coz of these frozen in time, gobar chaap buffoons... india is fast loosing credibility... ] Rafah: Holding Israel Accountable by Jeff Halper Mediamonitors.net As a hostage in Beirut, Terry Waite was chained to a wall, beaten and denied all human rights. Here he gives his thoughts on America's treatment of the al-Qaida detainees in Guantanamo Bay : Terry Waite, The Guardian, January 23, 2002 Family a victim of guilt by association By Craig Nelson Herald Correspondent in Madrassa Qalai, Afghanistan 53 Arrested During Protest at U.N. : Washington Post Al Qaeda prisoners entitled to humane treatment : writes Sean Love in Irish times Fleischer turns to reporter "Goyal Foil" when he wants to duck Enron Dana Milbank says the press corps foil is back in style in the White House briefing room now that Enron's a hot issue. He explains: "The use of foils, a technique popularized by Clinton press secretaries Mike McCurry and Joe Lockhart, involves the careful selection of questioners from among the many raised hands to steer the briefing in a direction the press secretary desires." When WH spokesman Ari Fleischer wants to get back to foreign affairs, he'll call on Raghubir Goyal of the India Globe, says Milbank. (Washington Post) Dionne: WH should give Fleischer less contradictory Enron talking points Pinkerton counts 119 WashPost stories re Enron in last two weeks, tathagat counted a thousand cartoons... Alliance nearly opened fire on UK troops By Nigel Morris, Political Correspondent The independent |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 277 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Laxman's U said It : Of course, the minister was given armed bodyguards. But he wouldn’t trust them! [neither do Uncle Sam, not a thing is hidden from big brother CIA, sure they were caught napping early September 2001... but not for now... FBI is here as well 2find the details ] Scientists close to solving anthrax puzzle By David Usborne in New York, The Independent THE WAR AGAINST THE SAUDIS : What's behind Washington's split with Riyadh? : Justine Raimondo Your papers please : Washington Times Musharraf wants at least five-year stay : Says US air power, not troops, can remain in Pakistan as long as necessary; proposes 4-stage process for Kashmir solution By Amir Mateen In The News Pk War makes US active in Moscow's backyard : The News Pk Rumsfeld hits out at British By Michelle Nichols, The Scotsman phor more oph Dubyaji, hit Dubya hard... but have mercy on ur choohaa... Enron ne dubaadiya, Pretzel se dab gaya aur zamieNDoz ho gayaa Dubya... eik biscuit ne dhool chaTa'a dii... tch... tch... |
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luvvmann 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 278 of 510 ) tataghat, no amount of these postings is going to change anybody's opinion of you as a hindu hating bastard. no amount of communist propaganda will do that. you are pinko commie , a traitor. you say you are anti-war. what about China's rape of Tibet. you always ignore these questions. why, because you are a smelling commie doing china's bidding. to you chine can do no wrong. bastard to the core. |
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luvvmann 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 279 of 510 ) tathagat, you mother fucking bastard stop your anti-india propaganda. kashmir is a part of india and always will be. historically it has always been a part of india. you shameless traitor, go sell your bag of goods elsewhere. lying scumbag. |
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Prem 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 280 of 510 ) Prem Naam Hai Mera, Not Chopra. I never thought it was possible for me to agree with luvvman (and maybe my choice of invective would be little different), but even I am fed up enough to only see tathagat's name here -- so much so that everybody seems to have decided to let him hold forth on his own... This is a monologue, not a dialogue. It makes sense to engage in a dialogue on a subject like this, not to just go on and on like a self-obsessed and self-congratulatory moron. |
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Tathagat 9/12/2001 3:29:13 PM ( 282 of 510 ) appa DeepO bhava Laxman's U said It : No need for all that trouble, sir [langoorji]. You can unfurl it right from here! [Jan 26, TOI] Back to 1947 for Pakistan Pervaiz Musharraf goes on television to define the open [liberal, modern] Islamic state : FEER EDITORIAL An Israeli Victory, An American Defeat: ILSA Extended Another Five Years USAID to train political parties in electioneering The News Pk Turkey prosecutes Chomsky publisher for essay on Kurds By Robert Fisk, The Independent Debt Collection, Not Aid, Was the Real Priority of the Afghan Reconstruction Conference By Yoichi Shimatsu, January 25, 2002 A Famous Victory By Deck Deckert @ Swans.com
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