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Terrorists at the NCERT vohsendhan 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM Authentic historical records show that the Indus Civilisation (c-3000 - c.1500.B.C) was of Bronze Age. The Vedic Aryan invasion and settlement took place post 1500 B. C. The era of Buddha was c.600 - c.500 B.C. The era of Ramayana in which Rama is shown to be calling Buddha a thief, an atheist and a critic of Vedas, belongs to the post -Buddhist era which was also the iron age when stories were created with then existent iron weapons and iron-molded vehicles. Mahabharatha was also compiled during the post-Ramayana age but pre-Alexandrian invasion. Arthasasthra belonged to the post-Alexandrian invasion period. But, the Class VI syllabus of the NCERT has now been modified and undeserved glory is sought to be given to the Vedic culture. The previous NCERT textbook meant for Class VI contained the sentence "the Aryan invasion had pushed back the urban civilization of the Indus era to thousand years". The syllabus devotes an entire unit to the first political terrorist of the world Chanakya and his atrocities are projected as "efforts to bring geographical and political unity". But the Sultans and Mughals are not shown to have brought any geographical or political unity. Moreover, in the present textbook, "There has been no reference to the early south Indian kingdoms like Cheras, Cholas, Pandyas and even Satavahanas"(NCERT's new text is an insult to historians - Times of India - 2.2.2002). I think that it befits the thinking of the textbook terrorists led by their gang leader Mr.MM Joshi not only to suppress the existence of the southern civilization but also to declare that there are only monkeys in the south. They had already said so in their own history, (the ithihas), the Ramayana. Dear non- Aryan compatriots, it is your choice whether to succumb to the machinations of the Aryan conspirators or to stand up and challenge them. What is at stake is the future of your children. A Mein Kamph is being re-enacted in India with much more venality by the insurrectionists. Please recall, "Arivudaiyaar Aavadharivaar, arivilaar ahthu arihalladhavar"- Thiruvalluvar. "To rob a nation of its history is to rob it of the strength and wisdom of the past". In India the robbers are working overtime to weaken the strength of the non-Aryans by destroying their hoary history. "The most powerful weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed", said the Black civil rights leader Steve Biko in 1976. In India the mind of the people whose history is robbed once again in the 21st century is kept under anesthesia. That suits the robbers. History throws light to keep oneself alert, observant and watchful. But the persons in power seek to put out the light to keep the people in darkness. Only those who want to steal in the house of another person would put out the lights in the house of the latter. The intention of the people who tamper with the Indian history is undoubtedly mischievous. Contd |
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vohsendhan 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 1 of 114 ) Lord Bolingbroke says, "History is Philosophy, teaching by example". But, in fact, history is philosophy teaching by warnings also. The Sangh mafia led by Mr. MM Joshi wants to hide precisely the warning episodes of the Indian history from the eyes of the subjugated masses because it wants to keep them subjugated forever. That is why they do not want the subjugated masses to recall and remember the reasons why they became subjugated. "Serbs still remember that they were crushed by the Ottoman Turks on St Vitus Day, June 28, 1389, leading to five hundred years of Muslim subjugation". It is this remembrance through the history books that prevents them not to repeat any mistake committed by their ancestors earlier which had led to their subjugation. "Chinese remember, with vivid immediacy, their humiliations at the hands of Europeans and Japanese in the 19th century". Germany abounds in history, history to be proud of as well as history to be ashamed of. Germany did not think that the past should just be covered up and forgotten. Germany is not ignoring its past. If Germans wanted to erase Nazism from its memory, they would have torn down the remains of Hitler's rally site. Instead, they were leaving the site standing and in open view so that no one would forget. The philosophy of Germans is "Acknowledge the past, but never dwell upon it. Continue to live life and create new history worthy of German pride". "Germans will not let their shame be hidden. They need themselves and the world to know that they have acknowledged the evil that overpowered their nation and will not fall victim again. Germany's efforts to preserve its vast history bless us all with the chance to discover, honor, and reflect upon the possibilities of the human race." The Indo - Aryans too have a history to be ashamed of. But they want to suppress and supplant it. The wily Mr. MM Joshi, adopting the typical Indo-Aryan technique, says that the textbooks cast aspersions on Jain monks, Sikh Gurus and others. But he does not say that his real intention is to hide the historical facts regarding the policy of apartheid invented and perpetuated by the Indo-Aryans which resulted in the cultural and psychological genocide of the non-Aryans in India. |
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vohsendhan 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 2 of 114 ) These protagonists of apartheid do not want to acknowledge the past. They do not want the others to know the facts which led to such state of affairs. Because they want the masses not to learn anything from history which may hamper the attempts of Indo-Aryans in tightening the policy of apartheid even harder. "Failing to learn the hard lessons of the past necessarily condemns us to repeat its mistakes. Equally self destructive is the ignorance of the past that isolates the individual historically, compelling that person to confront the present as uniquely threatening, and the future as personally hopeless." - Chuck Jorgenson Remember, remember, and remember. "The future is happening in any case. That much is certain. We can either allow it to happen to us, or we can act upon and shape it. The choice is ours, as usual. " You can continue to be a Shudra forever. You can make the life of your descendants contemptible. You can bequeath them only the life of being hewers of wood and drawers of water. Or you can pave way for them to lead a peaceful life with honest self-respect. If you want your descendants to live as Indians who will be equal in all respects with others, take action now itself to free them from the tentacles of the really - atheistic but outwardly self -appointed - authorized -dealers in "God". It is a fact that in the West too there had been many embalmers of history who tried to gloss over the sordid slave trade. But they were individual writers and not the organized gangs of insurrectionists occupying portals in governments as we find in India. There was a time when they invoked Manu to suppress the non-Aryans. Having tasted such power for centuries, they are not able to resist the temptation to arm themselves with a POTO now. They do not care to find ways to elevate the status of a Shudra to the status of a Brahmin. They do not want to forgo the self-assumed title of supremacy in the religious sphere and all its attendant benefits in the temporal sphere. They only want you not to know or talk about it. |
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vohsendhan 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 3 of 114 ) That is why in the entire history of India, we do not find anyone other than the Poet Bharathi among them to sincerely come forward to elevate a Shudra to the status of Brahmin. He did it and was condemned by them. Watching slaves butchered each other was a game enjoyed by the decadent rulers of the Roman Empire- the way lower castes fighting one another while the Brahmins simply watch without doing anything to settle it - the only way to settle it as they know is to discard their own self assumed superior status. "Today all scholarship is confined to the Brahmins. But unfortunately no Brahmin scholar has so far come forward to play the part of a Voltaire who had the intellectual honesty to rise against the doctrines of the Catholic Church in which he was brought up; nor is one likely to appear on the scene in the future. It is a grave reflection on the scholarship of the Brahmins that they should not have produced a Voltaire. This will not cause surprise if it is remembered that the Brahmin scholar is only a learned man. He is not an intellectual. There is a world of difference between one who learned and one who is an intellectual. The former is class-conscious and is alive to the interests of his class. The latter is an emancipated being who is free to act without being swayed by class considerations. It is because the Brahmins have been only learned men that they have not produced a Voltaire. The power and position, which the Brahmins possess, is entirely due to the Hindu Civilization which treats them as supermen and subjects the lower classes to all sorts of disabilities so that they may never rise and challenge or threaten the superiority of the Brahmins over them. As is natural, every Brahmin is interested in the maintenance of Brahmanic supremacy be he orthodox or unorthodox, be he a priest or a grahastha, be he a scholar or not. How can the Brahmins afford to be Voltaires, A Voltaire among the Brahmins would be a positive danger to the maintenance of a civilization which is contrived to maintain Brahmanic supremacy. The point is that the intellect of a Brahmin scholar is severely limited by anxiety to preserve his interest. He suffers from this internal limitation as a result of which he does not allow his intellect full play which honesty and integrity demands. For, he fears that it may affect the interests of his class and therefore his own." -B. R. Ambedkar. They perpetuate the difference. They talk in terms of 'them' and 'us'. They covet everything for themselves. They are concerned only about themselves. What are you going to do about yourself, dear fellow Spartacus? |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 4 of 114 ) vohsendhan, you are a fucking idiot. MM JOshi is correcting the one sided history written by your masters the communists. these self hating fools are liars. they learnt this from their communist masters in china and stalinist russia. you know what happened to the communists there. the same will happen to shit heads like you. believe me, even your dravisdian compatriots are now changing their colors (sorry fro the pun). your favorite madras is now ruled by a brahmin (jayalalitha). people will not fall for your deception. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 5 of 114 ) india is a land of different peoples united by hinduism. without hinduism india will fall apart you ignorant asshole. if we leave it to the rationalists like you god help us (sorry i forgot you dont believe in god). rational morons like you are self haters, unintelligent, unintellectual, fucked up shit heads.all you really want to exhibit is your hatred for the hindua, brahmins in particular. for you others can do no wrong. do you treally think that 2 percent of the brahmin population is responsible for all this thing about caste and other ills you talk about. you scumbag, it is the hindus who united india as a great country, established culture, tradition and wealth. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 6 of 114 ) all civilizations grow and decay and collapse. the egyptians the romans and your favorite friends the muslims (whose cock you always seem to suck)all indulged in slavery. every great culture and civilization indulged in it you ignorant fool. the caste system is india predates the hindu system. these disparate groups were brought together by the hindus undr one umbrella. hence the variety of peoples in india. the language of the aryans had profound impact on other languages in india including the so-called dravidian languages. infact all languages in india are dravidian languages superimposed by sanskrit and then by arabic and persian during muslim rule. just as the muslims introduced arabic and persian the aryans introduced sanskrit. are you a fucking moron or what. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 7 of 114 ) india is essentially a hindu country. by the way the term hindu is of muslim origin. it means the people of india you idiot. clean your empty head of your prejudice and accept facts for what they are. hindus have discriminated against other hindus. this is a historical fact.but they are accepting it and doing something about it. muslims discriminate against dark skinned people you moron. punjabi muslims think that dark skinned darvidians like you are inferior ( so much for muslim equality). bengali muslims were called apes my punjabi muslims. why do you think we have a bangladesh today. the problem with you is that you have an empty head and you try to cover it up with false intellectualism. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 8 of 114 ) hinduism provided equality to people in different ways. it was not perfect. yet people had a stake in living together in amity in separate groups. it was an evolving civilization where different races and peoples mingled to craete one country. the process is still going on. in the next few hundred years there will be only one caste in india as people inter marry. india is far more advanced in accepting different people than any other country if the world. stop your hate mongering and brahmin baiting. if brahmins and hindus have done wrong, they have done many good things too. you may be ignorant of this, but chanakya was a dark skinned brahmin just like you dark skinned. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 9 of 114 ) india today is essentially one. people are forgeting differences based on caste, color, language. economic prosperity is defining a persons status. inequities do exist but then they exist everywhere. hindus are no exception. infact they are much better than other people. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 10 of 114 ) vohsendhan, let me add. chanakya was a great brahmin, a great hindu, and a great indian. he helped find one of the greatest empires of india the mauryas. you are a fucking idiot to classify him as a terrorist. stop your misleading communist, pro muslim, anti-indian propaganda. |
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vohsendhan 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 11 of 114 ) Typical vedic vocabulary of the Aryans. No wonder the descendants of Vatsyayana are not able to extricate themselves from the millennia old habit. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 12 of 114 ) vohsendhan, what is your problem with aryans and dravidians. why are you hung up on this. i know what u are. a fucking dravidian nationalist. you are loosing your face everywhere. thre are no aryans and dravidians in india. there are only indians and they are hybrid. fuck off with your bullshit and get out of the country if you dont like it. you moron. |
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vani 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 13 of 114 ) Mr vo.... soon you are going to be a well-known loser here too ... |
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Tathagat 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 14 of 114 ) appa DeepO bhava ...hey bajrangi, cow fucker... (lol...) gobarchaap u r in a wrong place... and u 'ave exposed urself thoroughly... and u r such a good working demo model-o-mindset de bajrangii... ...about NCERT... if these buffoons would have decided on earlier seculor/scientific/rational policies... there wouldn't have been all these medicine... instead u would have had cow urine and cow dung as sanjeevni booti... availed in abundunce... and there wouldn't have been a single starvation death... they wud 'ave been fed on 'that' instead... ha ha ha!!! TODAY'S HOOT Love, oh love, oh loveless love... (compassionate conservatism) Has set our hearts on goalless goals... (star wars laser missile systems) From milkless milk and silkless silk... (rx plan, ed plan, drilling) We're growing used to soulless souls.... (citizens giving Bush 80% approval) A blues by W. C. Handy. --Karen Boerboom at bushwatch.com...the American bajrangi... Republicans are supported by phaar right... jesus junkies... and arms indoostry and by the way... our own Al Gore, the intellectual unlike this buffoon dubya... who lost Tennesse his homestate by 20,000 votes... a girl of 19-20... fighting for Darwin 2 be taught in the university... lol... and tathagat feel like thankin' Neeru and Mo'alaana Aazaad & Co. We were lucky... wonder what will happen 2 the cooming generation... and i see how effing kamzoar kaRiis present generations are... and indian bajrangi media... middle class chapraasi baboos are equally responsible for letting these buffoons in. :( |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 15 of 114 ) tathagat and vohsendhan, a fucking disgrace and an insult to humanity. why do we have such monkeys in india. look at these communists, they even look like monkeys, the bastards. jhothi basu, somnath chatterjee, arundhati roy, all these morons and friends of tahagat look like monkeys, the bastards. is it a coincidence, not at all. thay are just a few years removed on the evolutionary scale. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 16 of 114 ) they are self hating fools who want to take out their inferiority complex on india, the hindus, the brahmins, the americans. they do not want to achieve anything, just criticize. to these mother fucking inverted bastards thes eare their cardinal rules. pakistan is good , india is bad brahimns are bad, harijans (socalled by gandhi) are good hindus are bad , muslims are good capitalism is bad, communism is good. how brainless can you morons get. have you no shame you self hating bastards. why do you live in india. why dont you emigrate to pakistan or any of those fucked up communist countries. |
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galaxy 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 17 of 114 ) Luw mann , Android , Kar apall, Ravan, Per fect...why do you need so many names? Your foul, unrefined language is by now wellknown. Have you filed for copyright ? Let me caution you that there are laws against obscenity and depravity and profanity that your sexually explicit language symbolises. For Swayamsevaks the law is meant to perform your biological functions over isn't it ? Rule of law means very little to you and all the Sangh Parivar ! After all they don't teach refinement and least of all respect of the law at the RSS shakhas. Even the monkey could not have evolved from the Shakha !! No monkey will own up for having anything to do with the Sangh Parivar despite all their 'Monkey business' including rewriting history. With people like you and Murli Manohar Joshi the monkey looks Mensa level Mr. Narcissus. M M Joshi has redefined not only history but also anthropology ! |
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Tathagat 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 18 of 114 ) appa DeepO bhava 'The rise of Hindutva is going to put us back by at least a century' Interview/ Romila Thapar by Archana Masih Rediff.com Sanskrit and sanskriti as weapons Praful Bidwai SONIA LINES UP SECULAR STORM AGAINST ATAL FROM RASHEED KIDWAI Telegraph Feb. 10 2001 ...Arjun sought a “forthright” answer from Vajpayee and Advani whether they subscribed to the oath of Constitution taken as ministers or to the oath taken as RSS workers. “Even a cursory glance at the RSS oath would show that its words and import are totally opposed to the basic ideals and structure of the Constitution of India,” he said. “Since both cannot go together, the nation would like to know from Vajpayeeji and Advaniji, whether the RSS oath overrides the oath taken by them while assuming office,” Arjun said. CREATING HISTORY - THE INDIAN WAY By K.C. SALEEM Education with values BY TEESTA SETALVAD Communalism Combat Puzzling Dimensions and Theoretical Knots in my Graduate School Research By Yvette Claire Rosser, M.A., Ph.D. - ABD The Question Of History By Nalini Taneja BJP -Fascist Harm To Scientific History of India : Posted by Waseem Anwar on November 25, 2001 at 22:20:45: indolink.com/Forum Communalisation of Education in India: an update By Nalini Taneja Education and Hindutva By Taran N Khan, alternatives.ca  himmme himmme [click once :)]the american power gone2head white bajrangi toorned moonsterrr... errr..rrr |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 19 of 114 ) galaxy, thanks for your critique. by the way sexually explicit language is not against the "fucking" law. what you and your compatriots like tathagat ae indulging in is worse than profanity. you are anti-national morons indulging in sedition day in and day out. that is against the law my friend. only in hindustan can you get away with it. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 20 of 114 ) idiots like praful bidwai, romila thapar, and their kind are nothing but self hating morons. they have presented a one sided view of indian history (communist history). to them the good guys are as follows - marx, mao, china, pakistan, bangladesh, muslims, SIMI. to them the bad guys are as follows - india, usa, brahmins, hindus, RSS. I BEG TO DISAGREE, MY FRIEND. It is time the people of india confronted you monkeys for what you are - self hating, corrupt communists who are ready to lie and stab your own country in the back for petty personal gain. in the end we will win OK you idiots. wait and see. |
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thetruth 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 21 of 114 ) Aryan or Non-Aryan , who loves India , they are my friends. And who hates India should be our enemy, we curse them and whenever we have chance we shouldn't hesitate to kill them. Voshendhan is trying hard to create difference between Aryan and Non-Aryan Indian. This man cannot hide his secret intention of seeing India disintegrate. |
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thetruth 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 22 of 114 ) Some muslims are trying to create mutual hatred between sikhs and hindus too.But they won't succeed. It is the Muslims who hate all other people ,It is the Muslims who deny their own history. Look Into PIGSTAN , the Pigstani Muslims have killed all the sikhs/hindus in Lahore. Lahore was a Sikh majority state , But the muslims in PIGSTAN , after partition successfully eliminated all the Sikhs and Hindus there , and the PIGSTANIS got the full help from ISLAMIC PIGSTANI GOVT. |
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galaxy 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 23 of 114 ) My dear luwman. Thanks for your comments. Let me clarify. I do not consider you an anti-national. I only have a problem with profanity and those seeking to extend thier hegemony to the minds of our children by purveying half truths and re writing text books. Whether someone is profaning my religion or any other religion that has made its home in my land it is irrelevant. Profanity should be stopped ! Nor do I consider the long list of people you have mentioned anti national or guilty of sedition. You are a compatriot with a different view. Your view of achieving objectives for the country is through violent and (in my view) self destructive means. I do not believe this is good for OUR country and hence cannot support it. In my view this approach will damage the unity and integrity of our country, which I would rather preserve. My good guys are Gandhi ,Annie Beasant, Nehru, Phirozshah Mehta, SP Mukherjee, Babasaheb Amdedkar, Vallabbahi Patel, Maulana Abdul kalam Azad, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King. ( I don't care who is Brahmin. though am one). I love India. My sacred rivers flow through this land. They nourish this land. They have made my land and our women fertile and blessed. I love my people and i would like to see them grow up in a fearlessness that Tagore wrote about. I am proud of the Indian constitution, in my view one of the most progressive in the world, and will fight anyone who seeks to perform his biologoical functions on it. I beg to disagree my friend. India will survive beacuse it is a secular democracy NOT BECAUSE OF THE RSS and thier warped ideas of my religion. I am a hindu , who will not accept the RSS as my spokesman or custodian of my religion and its tolerance. The RSS has a distorted view of my rich multi cultural heritage (contrary to my own views in the matter). I will fight to preserve the constitution of India as my gift to our children and the children of the whole world . BTW the only people I have a serious problem with are those who take the oath at the RSS or radical Muslim , Christian or other religious fundamentalist organisations quite contrary to their oaths as ministers and duties as citizens of this great land. They are guilty of sedition !!!!!! I could not care less about Pakistan,we have the might to grind them to the dust if they attack us. But I hope some day they will join us and we can live in peace and brotherhood giving the best to our children of economic prosperity and freedom rather than mutual suspicion, fear and hatred !! Spending money on bombs and amuntition which enrich ISrael , SOuth Africa and the security council nations is not my idea of giving a secure future to our children. |
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thetruth 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 24 of 114 ) Open ur eyes and see the truths . Why in PIGSTAN , minorities have no rights ??? The answer is simple , the majority is muslim in PIGSTAN. Same is the case with Bangladesh. Why our "liberals" didn't protest when history-text books in West Bengal were being rewritten ?? The answer is very simple , then the rewriting was happening just to please Muslims' sentiment. Our "liberals" don't respect truths , when the truths seem to hurt muslims sentiment. But the same "liberals" will shout at top of their voice , when somebody try to repsect Non-muslim's sentiment too. This is the way our "liberals" behave. History books give us only truths , it should not try please Muslims or any other community. If liberals are going to write about beef-eating habit of Aryan Hindus of India , They should also write about the Pork-eating habit of Indian Muslims in the past. Then only we can say our "liberals" are really liberal. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 25 of 114 ) galaxy, you have made some good points. however, you are naive about many things. if you are for a progressive and secular india, so am i. secularism is not a one sided attempt to be imposed on only one particular community the socalled hindus. do you honestly believe that the large majority of muslims are secular. do you not believe the religion card is being played by the congress party and communist parties to the hilt. if the BJP supports some hindu causes you call it communlaism. if the congress aligns with the muslim league and pampers anti-national elements you call it secularism. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 26 of 114 ) galaxy, you are exhibiting double standards. what we are talking about is achieveing a progressive india devoid of religious tension. you have said you do not like the RSS. that is fine. nothing wrong with that. but you have not said that you do not like SIMI, Majlis, MIM, et all. why are you selective about your communal friends. in nagaland the christians are blatantly communal wanting to establish a christian country. you have not commented on that. i disagree with your premise and your secular credentials. you are one sided. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 27 of 114 ) galaxy, let me make myself clear. the RSS was established after the communal muslim formations, not before. cancers in society breed reactions. atleast, the RSS has played many positive roles. there might be some cooks in it but by and large they are for a strong india, and by no measure are they anti-national. the same cannot be said about tyhe muslim league, majlis, MIM, SIMI etc. sorry i disagree with you on this point. the blatant world wide islamic communalism and pakistani terrorism are breeding reactions within the hindu community. some of it is not in consonance with our ethos. but look at what is causing this reaction. you are commenting on the reaction but not paying enough attention to the other side. all i have seen is a one sided attempt at secularism. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 28 of 114 ) galaxy, look at vohsendhan and his type. the guy is constantly sowing discord between the socalled aryans and dravidians. the guy is a complete intellectual thief. everybody and their brother knows that hindus are a mixture of people. the caste system is a historical fact a result of many peoples coming together. infact, most indians are majority dravidian even in the north. the hindus of today are a combination of aryan, dravidian values. to rake this issue up is nothing more than mischief. vohsendhan is a terrorist and talking about irrelevant stuff. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 29 of 114 ) galaxy, if you so truly believe in secularism that is nothing new. india was a secular country long before the term was invented. all along religions survived in india side by side. this is nothing new. the totalitarian concepts emerged only recently with interaction with islam and christianity. if secularism is good and i believe it is then we have to take steps to implement it correctly. a common civil code for all indians. no separate muslim laws and christian laws, and hindu laws. this is what is required. separatism among religious minorities is being encouraged by political parties like the congress for selfish reasons. this should be stopped. religion, caste, and region based parties should be banned. there should be only 3 parties recognized - rightist, centrist, leftist. why not fight for this political model. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 30 of 114 ) galaxy, i do not use profanity simply. i use it only on certain people. it is not personal. the two imbecile terrorists on this net are vohsendhan and tathagat. they are closet commies and hindu haters. these intellectually bankrupt morons pass themselves off as rationalists and reasonable people. nothing is farther from the truth. they want the history written by communists and muslim communalists to prevail. if you lie continually, they think it becomes the truth. it is typical communist ideology. i am not going to talk about muslim communalism. it is there for evreybody to see. nobody can help blind people to see. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 31 of 114 ) galaxy, in conclusion, i have no problem with the list of good people provided by you. the question is what tactics do we use today. is gandhian tactics valid. no i do not believe so. it will not work against the anti-national forces today. we need the strong no nonsense administration of vallabhai patel, who called a spade a spade. the present day congress morons are a disaster and the BJP is turning out to be about just like them. there is no difference. muslim communalism and islamic terrorism should be crushed. bangladesh should be put on notice and warned of severe action for its unfriendly behavior. this does not mean the hindus can get away with murder as exemplified by dravidian nationalism or regional separatism as in punjab. the assam separatists for example should be crushed. lastly, pakistan should be put on final notice. it is total war and destruction of this unholy and illegal state of napak-istan. my dfriend, let us work together to eliminater these cancers affecting our country. |
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galaxy 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 32 of 114 ) Luwmann, appreciate your comments.Agree with you on some of them. Agree that we should move fast along the directive principles in the constitution and so a common civil code and a host of progressive issues should be ushered in, no doubt. Agree with you whether they are Hindu or Christian or Muslim fundamentalist organisations they should be directed to change or be banned. I do not shy away from criticising ANY organisation that goes against our tenets of secularism. Have visited the RSS shakhas in my younger days and know what it stands for , I do not have first hand experience of the SIMI, or any other organisation but I say ANY organisation fomenting hatred between communities, they should be banned and face the full force of the law. Agreed. Agree with you, no scope for communal hatred (of the RSS kind) or vote bank politics (Congress kind) and like in Turkey we should take stict action against Parties that violate this article of faith. Agree with you that we cannot follow the totalitarian states of China and thier half crazed ideologues. I disagree with you in that I believe in Gandhi and Gandhian methods. I believe that India should in the international arena avoid being sucked into the US axis of puppet states. I believe in the Gandhian concept of trusteeship in business and cleanliness in politics. I beleive that though we are a peace loving country , we cannot have another debacle at the borders (as with China). We cannot let up preparedeness as we talk peace. I disagree with you that the causes of our problems should be condemned and not the reaction. Without getting into what constitutes the cause and the reaction I condemn both Cause and reaction in equal measure. From the Babri tangle it is very clear to me that for every Advani there is a doppleganger in a shahbuddin. It does not matter who came first, India can do without both brands of politics. I disagree with your view that Romila Thappar is a 'commie'. I know she is liberal and to my mind one of the best hisorians India has seen. Do keep writing, once again pl avoid the profanity, it takes away from your ability to reasoned debate. I also would like to see Vohsendhan and Tataghats views they come across as very intelligent people. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 33 of 114 ) galaxy, thanks for agreeing and disagreeing with me. my differences are as folows. 1. i believe in non-violence, who doesn't. the question is how to achieve it. gandhian means work sometimes, but not with pakistan or china or the jehadis. it depends upon who you are talking about. how do u deal with the jehadis in pakistan only thru force. how do you dwal with china and its brute force in tibet. only thru force. i can assure you any non-violent method will not work with these people, ever. 2. the RSS cannot be equated with SIMI and other anti-national organizations. there are redeeming values within the RSS organization. no such values are recognizable within SIMI. it is well known who starts communal riots (almost always it the muslims). the hindus react to it and there are killings on both sides. but to say that action and reaction are bad is a copout. it is the law of nature that every action has a reaction. it applies to hindus too. the caste inequity has reacted on the hindus and they are paying for it with reverse dicrimination in many cases. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 34 of 114 ) 3. to equate Advani with Shahabuddin is quite a joke in my opinion. Shahabuddin is a two bit criminal and anti-national to the core. Advani is a conservative politician and created a vote bank of hindus just as the congress created a vote bank of the muslims. the creation of vote banks is not new, however unpalatable. Nehru was responsible for cajoling the muslims and creating a vote bank. Is he a criminal. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 35 of 114 ) 4. again this gandhian bullshit should be stopped. politicians need to stop wearing gandhi topies, jubbas and dhotis. this is non-sense. there is no need to celebrate poverty. it was done by gandhi to make a point. it is not valid anymore. we need to stop sermonizing about non-violence all the time. it is bullshit. we can only have non-violence thru strength not by mouthing off about it. when china attacked tibet we stood by looking like idiots. that is not non-violence. that is abdicating responsibility. when pakistan attacked us several times we were loath to fight to the finish despite having an advantage. that is total non-sense. the reason we have suffered with violence is because of this bullshit. let us wake up and smell te roses my friend. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 36 of 114 ) 5. Romila thappar, vohsendhan, and tathagat are intelligent people, i quite agree, and they are also bloody deceptive and complete morons. jyothi basu is intelligent too except that he isa communist anti-national buffoon. a lot of people are intelligent. hitler was, stalin was, mao was - so what. the congress morons are also intelligent and they have been fooling the poor people in india for 50 years. jinnah was intelligent too except he was a crooked bastard. we don't need intelligent people. we need intelligent people with a commitment to india, its people, and its ethos. tathagat and vohsendhan are hateful individuals with an axe to grind. they are the biggest fools that i can think of. they suffer from a terrible inferiority complex. the guys are basic idiots. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 37 of 114 ) galaxy, see you next time. bye. |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 38 of 114 ) Here is one way you can put India on the path to progress - rewrite the history books. Just deny the British ruled India or that there was a Moghul invasion. It would be easy to prove that the Babri Masjid never existed. If it did not exist, what is the problem? There are people dying of starvation? Rewrite the history books. We can give you your true religion. You may die, but heck, you will die a Hindu. Kingdoms in the South? Who cares - I am from the North why should I learn about the South? Besides it did not happen - it says so in our new history books. Kids don't have teachers in rural schools? Not a problem just rewrite the history books. No electricity in your village. We are working on that - we are rewriting the history books. Satyameva Jayate - bah humbug. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 39 of 114 ) jwalker you are a buffoon devoid of any sense. you are a commie. commies are congenital liars. no amount of subterfuge will hide ur true identity. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 40 of 114 ) The commie MFs like tathagat, romila thapar, and the bonehead who started this discussion need to say why the bigoted anti-hindu views of commie MFs like satish chandra are sacrosanct?? As for aholes like jwalker, get your headc straight, ahole. The problem is that the commies in India have hijacked the history of India for a while, and they have reduced Indian history to the history of the muslim alien invaders. They have completely ignored the other non muslim powers in India. This needs correction, no matter how much of confused commie you are. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 41 of 114 ) Also, vohshendan should first take a harder look at the aryan-invasion crap, which has been completely discredited many times over. So, move on, asshole. If you cretins actually read Chanakya's arthashastra, which is a masterpiece on the art of statecraft, you would know your place in the world, and you would also know NOT TO betray the interests of your country for selfish reasons. Clearly, you motherfukers are traitors of the first water, who exist to spread the paki and chinese point of view in India. Enough is enough. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 42 of 114 ) Whites have rewritten history and have consistently portrayed themselves as the saviors of the human race, when they are in fact responsible for the genocide of the natives of three continents. You cretins who have problems with revision of Indian history textbooks need to understand why the unity of purpose in whites makes them the strongest race. Indians such as vohshendan and tathagat will sell their own mother for a small sum, so questions about selling out the country are moot. |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 43 of 114 ) Karapall and luwmann Fuck you bastards - you have sold Mother India down the fucking drain. You have raped her of her riches and continue to do in the name of fucking cultural purity. Give me one fucking way your idiotic argument is going to pull India and Indians out of poverty. You fuckers go around pointing to the rest of the world that they are commies. And rewriting history books is going to bring you riches. Ha Ha. No brains no balls no nothing. You call yourself Indians and Hindus? Bugger off - go play in the sand, build sand castles. If you don't like Indian History - leave India. Go start the opposition party in Afghanistan. After all wasn't part of Afghanistan part of Hindustan once? Climb trees, swing from branches. We will make you part of the 'missing link' exhibit - the Ramapithecus Hindustanus. You must be suffering from the Mad Cow disease. Let's make India the poor Aryan Nation. Heil Hitler !! |
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sal 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 44 of 114 ) HAHAHAHAAA!!!!! "....We will make you part of the 'missing link' exhibit - the Ramapithecus Hindustanus...." HILAREOUS !!!! I love this guy..... |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 45 of 114 ) jwalker, exemplary bit of frothing at the mouth. What brainless twits like you dont seem to understand is that the assholes who wrote todays books whitewashed the HORRIBLE crimes of Aurangazeb and the muslim rulers. WHY? If history is about facts, then Aurangazeb's despicable actions such as destroying 1000s of hindu temples would be side-by-side with all the details about how the mughals were god's gift to India. India has 100s of kings and kingdoms, many of whom have left lasting legacies. So to have 33 out of 80 chapters on muslims and mughals is unacceptable. So I suggest that you release your pent up frustration on this issue by applying some baby oil between your buttcheeks and have a good time with your boyfriend. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 46 of 114 ) jwalker and sal, you cock sucking imbeciles. you mother fuckers have been buggered by communists and mullahs. you ugly bastards - history is about truth. communist history is not the truth but a biased version of history. these cocksucking motherfucking morons are so irritated with themsleves about not ruling india that they have started to write distorted history. their dream is chaos in india between hindus and muslims. out of this destruction they hope to gain power. so they suck muslim dick to irritate the hindus. if you notice most of these good for nothing fools are from calcutta or madras. they have pig shit in their brians. you motherfuckers are no better. |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 47 of 114 ) Karapall, Baby oil? You child molester. Real men use oil - but considering you had to fuck with luwmann all this time, I will excuse you for not knowing what a 'real man' feels like. Post your mailing address and I will be glad to send you a dildo and baby oil. Now that your fetish is in the open, how long have you and luwmann been doing it? Do you wear khaki spandex and saffron blindfolds (just so that you keep your cultural purity intact)? Or is it the other way around? You might want to use the 'baby oil' on luwmann lest he starts frothing at the mouth too. (Oops too late). Or do you do it with small kids? Reading your posts, I was sure you both were compensating for something and I thought you were less endowed in the 'brians (sic)' department. Sounds like you both are compensating for small dicks too. You must be good at something - all those years in khaki knickers and still sucking your masters' (RSS and BJP blockheads) dicks, using your pretty mouths....you are just the sort of bitches the RSS and BJP recruit. Next time, when you use your talents on your masters, do it right - use the Arthashastra, baby oil and jack them off. That way, they will be happy and only the title pages of the Arthashastra will have to be changed - and guess what, they would have cleansed and rewritten Indian history. The rest of the nation will be happy and both of you, will have served your country. Of course, you will be stuck in the 'Chanakyan period' but your favourite 'baby oil' should do the trick. 'luwmann' can then remain true to his name. Or you both can share a common id - 'luwmenn'. |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 48 of 114 ) So history is about truth ? And the stuff you peddle corrects all the errors, enumerates the numerous lasting legacies, small kingdoms left in their wake? You peckerheads don't know much about the history of India, do you? Let's not write about the Mughal period - they were Muslims but lets write about the really small 25 acre North Indian Hindu kingdom whose only claim to fame was a 6 feet canal that watered the fields in Kumaon Hills. Let's leave out the South Indian kingdoms after all they are not Indians and heck, we don't care what they think. The Bengalis are commies, not Indians. The only true Indians are found in the cow belt in UP and did they have great kingdoms. They are so far advanced, the rest of the world is catching up. A few more years of BJP rule and we would have to extend the chapters on Ancient history of India by a page, with one sentence repeated like a mantra, preferably in Sanskrit - 'BJP rewrote Indian History'. Truth? Take a hike. You have brownwashed Indian History - with shit. |
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baddyboy 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 49 of 114 ) There never can be a History that is "True".While it is true that attemps to present false facts must be resisted it is also true that most of our history is written by commie symphathisers and a lot of it is derived from Nehru's pathetic book"Discovery of India".The asshole who started this discussion should be informed that there is historical evidence to suggest that there was no aryan invasion(refer sanjay subramanyams book). |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 50 of 114 ) jwalker, ur name is apt. you are fucking lost. u nincompoop. what the bjkp is doing is something that should have been done a long time ago. infact they are not going far enough. the commies and their congress friends want only one thing - to appease the muslims to gain thair votes. they distorted history to suit their ends. nobody in their right minds will deny the muslim period in india. but to give it more weight than required and distorting their brutal acts should not be condoned. granted it happened a long time ago , but that is what hostory is about. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 51 of 114 ) jwalker, by the way, there is no north india and south india. there is only india. indian history as written by the commies gives very little information about the hindu buddhist kingdoms that werree prevalent not only in the northern parts of india but in the south too. the andhras and kalingas (orrisa region) spread hinduism/budhism in the SE Asian region. these contributions have been ignored by communist historians because they are hindu in nature. nobody can deny the contributions of the muslims in clothes, food, music, and culture. at the same time it is the hindus who created india in its geographical form as an entity and the solid base still remains hindu. any dilution of this fact will lead to disaster. this is not a religious issue, it is not about north or south, aryan or dravidian, it is about learning all aspects of history, not just tyhe communist version. commies are known liars and bengali commies are the worst animals in the world. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 52 of 114 ) the fact is that vohsendhan is a dravidian nationalist, a traitor, an educated idiot with an axe to grind who is trying to sell a bag of goodies. they are empty and irrelevant ideas. they are meant to sow discord. his religion is anti-hindusim to the extreme. it is not a balanced or intellectual discussion. it is pure hatred. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 53 of 114 ) jwalker, Just like "girl scout cookies" are not made from real girl scouts, "baby oil" is not oil extracted from babies -- a rather simple fact that chimpanzees in certain countries have grasped, but single-neuron sub humans like you wont grasp until you make your way up the evolutionary ladder. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 54 of 114 ) jwalker, For a guy who seems to know a lot of Indian history, you exhibit little more than a teenage crush on the mughal barbarian invaders in India. Cretins like you need to get your brain bashed in by the hindu majority before you start behaving. I am not a hindu, nor am I particularly religious, but it would give me great pleasure to see the likes of you getting faces rubbed in the mud by the docile hindu majority. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 55 of 114 ) Whenever someone draws in the nazis, you know that they are playing a losing wicket, just like this asshole vohshendan, who seems to think that commies and muslims must be given more power than their numbers would suggest. My suggestion to these tratiorous donkey fuckers is: YOU ARE A MINORITY AND THUS DONT HAVE AS MUCH POWER AS THE MAJORITY. THIS IS DEMOCRACY AT WORK, SO GET OVER IT, you stupid lamebrained traitorous whoresons. |
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realist 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 56 of 114 ) I think we need to completely re-write not just Indian history but also world history. The rest of the world lives in the completely mistaken assumption that aeroplanes, computers, cars, television, atomic weapons, biotechnology was discovered in the West. That DNA molecules & human genome were deciphered in the West. That pyramids were built by Egyptians. They were infact all disovered/built by a firm called Hegdewar Technologies Inc in Cambay circa 7500 BC. (If you don't believe all of the above, you have to get your head examined. Mr MM Joshi has discovered the original patents filed at the Golwalker Patent Office) |
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vohsendhan 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 57 of 114 ) All the subjugated races in the world have faced such abuses in the hands of oppressors and their mercenaries, dear Mr. Luvvmann! What a wonderful service you are doing! You can run a school on abuses the way Fagin was conducting in a similar field. Your teacher Vaathsyaayan inspires you a lot, it seems. |
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rajeev 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 58 of 114 ) Well I would not say another "Mein Kampf" is being made but I would definitely say "Y2k MANUSMRITI" is in the making. Author MM JOSHI. |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 59 of 114 ) luwmenn (collective term for luwmann and Karapall), "Girl scout cookies" - now isn't that a sweet name for luwmann. Your posts have such wonderful terms of endearment. Why don't you call luwmann "Rasagolla" or "Badam Halwa"? After all, "Girl Scout cookies" is a predominantly western term or is it coloured with a little saffron so you can assuage your idiotic pseudo-religious fervor? I knew you were assholes and/or chumps. Now that your next fetish is out in the open, how long have you two been doing it with the donkey and the chimps? What else do they teach you in the Khaki-knicker factory? Are you sure the SPCA is aware of this problem? I hope you use protection - the saffron condom. Use two - we definitely don't want you breeding again (for our posterior's sake). You peckerheads still don't get it, do you? Politicising education will not bring about the great progress that India (and Indians) so desparately needs. Now, every change in the government will bring about a rewrite of History - to cleanse the past of their frigging misdeeds. After all, if its not in Indian school texts, the common man can be subjugated and a new generation of youth will be able to carry India into the next century without ever questioning the texts - learning by Rote - the fourth R apart from Reading, wRiting and aRithmetic. What does this mean? - It means a govt. can hold as its hostage, the very knowledge that the citizens it serves (a concept alien to Indian politicians) seek, without it being tainted by uneducated politicians, and twist it to serve its ends. It is cultural imperialism spawned by the Brown Sahib that it learnt well from its master, the White Sahib. In short, the political parties in India are still doing what the British did - divide and rule. YOU DO NOT PROMOTE UNITY OR NATIONALISM IN ANY WAY. Luwmenn,why don't you specify the year and give us evidence of the times that India, as we know it today, was united under a single King? Give us evidence of the history that has been left out from "commie" textbooks that do not have the Kalingas mentioned. (It can even be links to your beloved RSS pages). Granted, there is a debate about the Aryan Invasion Theory. But so far nobody has ever proved convincingly that it did or did not happen. So how would you prove that it did happen without the evidence ? - don't bother to quote NS Rajaram's Piltdown horse as the answer - apart from himself, his co-author and the Khaki-knicker factory, no other historian (in the world) worth his name has agreed to his "discovery". Why has there been no attempt by the BJP govt. to get more evidence? If you had the brains and/or balls of a mustard seed, you would see that you are raping a nation of its wealth. ENOUGH OF CASTE/RELIGION BASED POLITICS. THE RSS AND ALL POLITICAL PARTIES THAT ARE BASED ON DIVISION MUST BE BANNED AND DISBANDED. THE RIGHT TO EQUALITY DOES NOT MEAN SPECIAL RIGHTS EVEN IF THEY BELONG TO THE RULING PARTY. THE RSS SHAKHAS MUST BE MONITORED BY THE GOVT JUST LIKE THE MADRASSAS. Karapall, I AM A HINDU AND DO BELONG TO THE MAJORITY. YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THE TALIBAN. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 60 of 114 ) jwalker, you are a typical chutia trying to act like a secular character as though it is something superior. your brand of secularism is nothing but cowardice. you suck muslim dick and you think you are progressive. you asshole, is not the plight of india apparent to you. nobody is blaming the muslims alone for everything. both the hindus and muslims are to blame for the countries ills. muslims due to their destructive aggressionand hindus for their fucked up cowardice. you are a good example of a fucked up hindu. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 61 of 114 ) jwalker, the problem in india is not that we have traitorous muslims, that is understandable. what is more galling is that there are hindu traitors like you and your fucked up friends tahthagat and vohesendhan et al (they are not hindus, excuse me). ok chutiya, the problem with your kind is that you do not want to call a spade a spade. you would rather suck SIMIs dick and the jamaat's dick than condemn them as anti national. the problem is you, not SIMI and the Jamaat. As long as perverts like you exist and your friends like jyothi basu and fellow communist morons exist we will be in the dark in india. the RSS may have many coooks in them, but many of them are sane and nationalistic. they do not indulge in insane activities. they hep the country selflessly. it is chutiyas like you who are the real problem. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 62 of 114 ) jwalker, what we are learning today as history is nehrus version of it. his electoral strategy was based on sucking muslim dick. the commie startegy in bengal is based on the same theory. suck mslim dick and gain votes. to hell with the country's decurity is their motto. you idiot, we will all pay a price for this cowardice and socalled secularism. there is nothing wrong with the hindus asking for their temples back that were destroyed and plundered. this is a historical fact you moron. there are thousands of mosques in india that are genuine and nobody wants to harm them. where muslims have forcibly dstroyed temples, it is abvious that they should be returned. this is not communalism you fucker, it is justice. go clean your servile head with some proper sense and drop this superior mantle of misguided secularism. you are nothing but a stupid coward. |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 63 of 114 ) luwmenn, You are not a Hindu - you are Taliban. If Hinduism can survive for last 4000 years, why do you think it won't survive the next hundred (at least)? You don't have faith in your own religion, do you? And BTW, it takes a real man/woman to be a Hindu. Your brand of nationalism caters only to the RSS/BJP assholes of which you are one. Stop pandering to their idiotic pronouncements and start thinking on your own - however difficult it may be for you. It might hurt in the beginning. According to you, anybody who does not agree with you is not a Hindu, is a traitor and is a commie. What a fucking joke. Be the chimp you are - earn money for your tricks. Stop typing with your needle-sized dicks. It is absolutely hilarious when you brand the RSS a fucking cultural organization, then, so is the SIMI. Ban the RSS/BD like the rest of the bigoted religious parties. Oh this is great - Let us revert all the mosques that were built on Hindu temples to temples. Let us rewrite history. For India's progress, you need to be a Hindu, believe in the RSS, rebuild those Hindu temples - and who propagated this Muslim destruction of Hindu temples first? - The British. Who follows it even today, more than fifty years after the Independence? - The BJP and RSS. There goes their myth of a swadeshi philosophy, nationalism and independence. It is not justice you seek, you peckerhead - it is revenge and the proof touted by the likes of your fucked up 'historians' makes me wonder how anybody let them have a basic degree. You have no fucking proof. You agree to India's miserable condition and you think only the Hindus are responsible for the country's future? You are looking at the future of the country and you don't have the balls to do anything about it. And you are 'brave'? Don't the people who live in India have a responsibility to their motherland or is that the sole preserve of the BJP/RSS/BD ? Security - lets alienate a good portion of the population in their own nation. Then we will feel secure. Such rational, scientific, value based reasoning. It must be in the religious texts. As long as the people are not given the correct information - you control their emotions. Rational people have no place in the RSS. They do not have any political platform - come election time, rake up the temple/mosque controversy. How fucking clever - polarize the voters - divide and rule. And you are 'patriotic' and concerned about 'security'? You fucking bitches should get your heads out of the asses of the donkeys you love. Use some baby oil - grease your palms and your teeny-tiny brains. Make yourself heard - don't vote, just moo - The call of the domesticated wild, commune with nature. To vote is human, to moo bovine. |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 64 of 114 ) luwmenn, History is the preserve of historians - not the govt or a political party. So how do we correct Nehruvian history? - Call the RSS historians after all the BJP is in power. How do we correct BJP history? - Call the Congress/CPI. You fucking peckerhead what do you think the history textbook is? - Your toilet paper? After all, now that you know the true history, you are so much better off than the rest of the crowd - you smell like shit. Why should the mosques be returned? - Because they were built on Hindu Temples? How is my faith destroyed because a mosque was built on a Hindu Temple's site five hundred years back? How does returning that mosque make you or me a better Hindu, a better Indian? How does it improve national security? Since certain chimps like you in other countries have understood this obvious connection, please explain it to the rest of us who answer to the call 'We, the people' in the Constitution. Are you going to ask an apology from Timur Lane and Mahmud of Ghazni's descendants for invading India? To correct historical errors, where will you draw the line - how far back do you want to go? Why are you an Indian and why are you Hindu? Are you even convinced of your religion or do you possess 'blind faith'? Your spade shovels bullshit in the name of national security, cultural purity and religious amity while delivering exactly the opposite. The RSS serves no purpose other than the disintegration of this nation. It must be banned. You bet the RSS have "coooks" - they have "cooks", eat and become fat and happy, watch the rest of the nation suffer for their misdeeds, "cook" history books - they are "cuckoo". You are all liars and you don't care about India. You are rapists, cowards, traitors, whores and pimps. Even your frigging historians don't stay in India - they come here to "visit". |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 65 of 114 ) vohshendan, Get over your victim complex. I am damn sure that you were in no way oppressed in your lifetime, so cut the cr@p about being oppressed. If you have the brains, compete on an equal footing instead of asking for government handouts and college quotas. Or maybe begging is too deeply ingrained in your psyche... India has a history of 1000s of years before the mughal invaders. Spending a disproportionate amount of time on a bunch of barbarians who did their best to wipe out Indian heritage and culture is a cruel joke perpetrated by imbeciles like you. People like you are basically brainless twits who try to climb up by pulling everybody else down. Fact is, your tactics will fail you, no matter what your strategy is. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 66 of 114 ) jwalker, History textbooks are meant to teach kids the truth, such as Aurangazeb being a butchering barbarian who killed non muslims and destroyed hindu temples and hindu culture. Why do assholes like you think it is your solemn duty to play these truths down, like the authors of the current NCERT textbook have done?? Is it because you believe that the hindus are a docile bunch who can be railroaded into anything?? Do you not have the brains to see the logic of numbers and why it is foolish for minorities to get into a confrontational position with the majority on grey areas such as this??? |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 67 of 114 ) jwalker, So are you saying that the minorities in India NEVER cause communal problems in the areas where they happen to be in the majority?? IF so, I suggest you get real. Christians and muslims in areas where they are a majority have consistently pissed on hindus. It does not take very much for the hindu majority ( 800 million of them) to pay you motherfuckers back in the same coin. |
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punita 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 68 of 114 ) one goes rippling with laughter when people fight over mythological character called rama |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 69 of 114 ) luwmenn, Are you trying to tell me that the new history textbook is 'truth' in itself? What do you want your history textbooks to teach - that Aurangzeb murdered Hindus? What about other 'Hindu' atrocities? So the main topic of the History textbook should be a count of the bloody victims of wars and atrocities - and this will promote national integration, security and cultural pride. The Hindus in the RSS must be 'docile brainless twits' - all you've got to do is yell Mandir/Masjid and they leave their frigging brains behind and play 'follow the leader'. You will never accept equal rights - why? You have superior numbers (like the rest of the Hindus don't matter - we are all commies - yes we are dotcommies), therefore whatever you say is correct. You are of a superior caste/creed/religion/area(of India) and so people must genuflect when you walk the streets. Aurangzeb murdered hundreds of Hindus - so that is enough rationale for you to do likewise to the minorities now. Great way to build a nation. So how does the BJP/RSS build a 'classless' nation ? - Just shut down the schools. What a crock of bullshit !! Apart from Kashmir, why don't you provide us links to atrocities committed by Christians and Muslims against Hindus in the areas they are a majority in Independent India? |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 70 of 114 ) jwalker, Care to specify what you mean by "hindu atrocities"?? The history textbook is supposed to tell us where our roots are and they are also obligated to tell us about external invaders who did their damnedest to wipe out hindu culture.. This needs to be spelt out to Indians, especially hindus, who have a right to know. I doubt if any of you assholes would try similar arguments with muslims or christians, they would peel your foreskin and set it on fire... |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 71 of 114 ) jwalker, The problem is that minorities are given special rights, such as free haj trips, allowing churches to run tax free businesses within their property and so on. In fact, hindus are discriminated against in their own country. Hindus ask for uniform civil code (which is the norm in all western countries). And the main opponents of this movement are the muslims and the christians, because they stand to lose a lot of free government handouts. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 72 of 114 ) Vohshendan, Have you even bothered to read Chanakya's works?? Blopody cretins like you should actually read such texts and compare them with Sun Tzu or Machiavelli, which are similar. Chanakya is held in very high regard by strategic planners and a lot of his views on statecraft are still valid today. Here is the problem: brainless imbeciles like vohshendan who dont know any history seem to tell us they somehow know (in their infinite ignorance) that mughals were THE MOST IMPORTANT thing that ever happened to Indian history. If you bastards had any intellectual honesty you would apply the same rules to Indians as you do when fawning over white people. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 73 of 114 ) punita, you miss the point. Rama is irrelevant to the ayodhya situation. The injustice that the commie bastards in the press perpetrate on the hindu majority is the issue here. How is it that a dilapitated mosque that is of no religious importance to muslims (other than their bullsh!t about every mosque being forever) is balanced against hindus for whom this is the equivalent of mecca/medina. Would any of these so-called "secular intellectuals" (they are neither) DARE TO RAISE such objections if the religion in question was islam or christianity?? Of course, not. WHY??? |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 74 of 114 ) punita, do not wrap yourself with the glory of rationality. it is misplaced. Ayodhya is about Ram yes, and it is about justice also. The continued appeasement of the muslims by the congress party and the eventual rise of the BJP as a counter to this (very correct counter) and the subsequent decline of the BJP as they mimic the congress spells trouble for the country. now we have two congress parties. the BJP will be wiped out. they cannot be an imposter and be better than the congress in opportunism. Vajpayee has destroyed the BJP. it is not too late if the BJP comes up with the right leadership. if not Vajpayee will destroy the BJP. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 75 of 114 ) punita, the rank and file of the BJP should revolt against the congress policies of Vajpayee. it will spell their doom. a new enegetic leader is required to counter congress opportunism. the BJP should go back to being an opposition party. the congress will continue their appeasement at all costs and the muslims will continue to increase their communalism and bad behavior. eventually there will be a terrible war (quite avoidable) but no it will happen. yes, ther will be a lot of destruction but muslims will pay for their communalism in the end. believe me. |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 76 of 114 ) luwmenn, According to you there are two types of atrocities - one committed by non-Hindus and the other obviously by Hindus or are you saying that there were no Hindu atrocities at all in Indian History? Isn't that the true history that must be in your texbook - atrocities committed by various communities and how to keep score? As for Hajj - all pilgrims must pay subsidized airfare for their travel expenses in Saudi Arabia will be the pilgrim's responsibility. A similar Hindu pilgrimage is the Mahakumbh - How much do you think the govt. spent in organizing and making sure the event passed off peacefully, transportation of pilgrims etc? All this is with the taxpayers money and never a question of the taxpayer if they can be used for such purposes. So much for a govt of the people, for the people and by the people. As for christian businesses in church land - they are usually charitable trusts. Businesses in these buildings still have to pay all the taxes to the govt. Only the rent/lease payments obtained by these charitable trusts are not taxable. This is no different if any temple/Hindu Organization (including the RSS) operates a charitable trust. Obviously, the amount donated to a temple is far in excess of the measly amount in churches. One wonders if it is the amount of money that the politicians can cream more for their own pockets, that is a problem or any tax laws - simply put there should be no state sponsorship of any religious activity of any kind nor state laws favoring one religion over another. As for special privileges for minority businesses, this is present even in the US. And these make you feel 'discriminated' against in your own country? WTF? You moral imbecile. If there are no equal rights (to which you are so opposed), then how can you even think of implementing a uniform civil code ? Do you want this to be included in the History textbooks too? C'mon lets keep score. As for the religious implications, the sanctity of the Ram Janmabhoomi has been irrevocably lost. What God, will want to reside in a place that has shed so much human blood? And contrary to popular RSS claims no justice will have been served. If justice is destroying mosques and rebuilding temples in their stead, you must be sucking somebody's dick - Foreskin Gump? The only destruction will be of India's then you will have your hard won peace and cleanse the world of the 'wrong' history and 'commie' bastards. Dream on - smoke pot, suck dick, become a whore. I only hope they punish the bastards who committed this dastardly crime in Gujarat. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 77 of 114 ) jwalker, i am not sure who you are addressing your issues to. as for haj subsidies, i did not comment on it. any way that is not a major issue. for the record i am opposed to it but not important. if money is spent on kumbh melas so it is spent on darga urses etc. all amenities should be provided in india for all pilgrims muslims hindus sikhs etc.. that is not a problem. the problem is secularism in india has been reduced to appeasement of the minorities. ofcourse, hindus have committed crimes and that should be told too. the fact is that modern indian history is influeced by communist oriented writers. this has to be balanced. muslims have made great contributions in india. they have also done much harm. hindus created india and that should be told with pride. at the same time the unequal treatment of certain hindus should also be highlighted. and it is. we have an affirmative action program for lower classes to correct past wrongs. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 78 of 114 ) jwalker, the socalled secular parties congress communists etc. are not secular at all. the congress are opportunists and the communists are downright anti national. after being rejected by the people they have holed themsleves up in calcutta and surviving on muslim votes. these bastards are the worst kind of antinational scum there is. they are not secular. all they want is chaos and it is their belief that in the end of this they can gain power. these communist morons are scumbags. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 79 of 114 ) jwalker, i am not sure what you mean that i do not want equal rights. i am not sure where you are getting your ideas. surely not from my writing. you are assuming things. i am an agnostic but believe in religious rights of all. hindu rights are as important as muslim rights. minorities do not have more rights than majority. jayalalitha had the guts to say this truth whatever her past was. this statement is true. hindu political spectrum is complete, we have counterbalances and different ideas including fanatics. the same cannot be said about the muslims in general. secula ideas are nearly unknown and policies range from fanatic to more fanatic. there is no middle ground at all in their thinking. i am sorry if this muslim virus is not controlled you are looking at a lot of bloodshed. |
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Tathagat 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 80 of 114 ) appa DeepO bhava Missing links : In the dark backdrop of the communal carnage in Gujarat, there was a piece of good news. Its significance lies not only in temporarily blocking the communalisation of education agenda initiated by the Union HRD ministry, but also in the fact that now a democratic consensus just cannot be avoided. The Supreme Court’s stay on the implementation of the new NCERT proposals is bound to give the NCERT sleepless nights. The apex court has stayed the new syllabi till further notice and has asked the HRD ministry, the NCERT and the CBSE to explain a few missing links. This is where the hidden agenda might become transparent under judicial scrutiny because now the brazenness with which the entire affair was being conducted will have to stop. The significant dimension of the court’s observations is that hereafter the Central Advisory Board on Education will have to play a crucial role. This will automatically make education, which is on the concurrent list, an issue concerning all the states and representative bodies, blocking the devious agenda of the RSS academics. The saffron game plan has been best illustrated by the manner in which the Union HRD minister went about thumping his chest during the recent election campaign, taking personal credit for the deletions in the history books. The truth is that the deletions were arbitrarily carried out behind the backs of the historians who wrote the books. Everything was done in a cloak and dagger style; so much so, till date, the NCERT is refusing to declare the names of the eminences who are penning the new textbooks. Besides, the sudden and drastic changes in the syllabi, with its share of controversial additions and deletions, have created a catch-22 situation for teachers and students. Educationists are therefore asking: why play with the future of school students? |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 81 of 114 ) tathagat shut your mouth you communist bastard. |
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Tathagat 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 82 of 114 ) appa DeepO bhava ... now what... mallich appointed by jaahil ugly politician as terrorist... now we have got cow urine drinking bajrangii de facto, de jure gender biased judges too...?!? "All citizens cannot be permitted to attribute motive to the court or the judges if public faith in judiciary has to be preserved," Justice Sethi said... Hey u morons holy cows... catch tathagat if u can... u rotten pieces of shit... False-hearted judges dying in the webs that they spin... slow and painfully... |
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zimba68 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 83 of 114 ) the basic Q is why do we crib about a non-issue like Indian History? dont you think it is totally non-productive?why should we trust something that has been "invented" by the British?just because for years we have been taught a particular point of view, does it make right? After all why state that Hindus used to eat beef Now if it hurts the sentiments of the majority?Why not call the likes of aurangajebs,babars and mohd of gaznis tyrrants?who knows may be the prophet didnt like the taste of pork thats why he banned it for the muslims! |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 84 of 114 ) tathagat, Paki Assholes like you seem to be more worried about India's secularism than your own. Just go back to the shithole pakistan and worry about your own problems, asshole. Let Indians worry about India. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 85 of 114 ) Good point, Zimba. Anyone reading the actions of the brutal vicious bastard Aurangazeb would immediately ask WHY this fellow's crimes against hindus are being whitewashed, while islam is portrayed as the sole and most important contributor to Indian arts and culture. If you have lived in India for any amount of time, you know that such views are blatantly false. But this is exactly the kind of distorted history that communist bastards like Romila Thapar and Satish Chandra have propagated. THIS HAS TO CHANGE. |
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shobha 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 86 of 114 ) Calling anyone who disagrees with you as a communist bastard is of course the easiest way out of a real substantial debate. Now it has become embarassing! Which history do you read that tries to say that Muslim contribution to Indian culture is paramount and Hindu contribution is negligible? Cite a book where this kind of persistent bias exists. Yes, don't direct me to Mahatma Shourie's books, coz I read them all (almost all) and found them to be so lacking in substance as to kick myself for wasting my time. His elevation of a few isolated instances to some massive anti-Hindu plot is so pathetic and laughable that his books stand as evidence against the substantiality of his own thesis. Murli Manoharji is a physiscist. Morever his subject is spectroscopy. Now in spectroscopy you hit your sample with light and then let Rayleigh-scattered or Raman-scattered or other rays to emerge. In other words, to find the Truth you have to shine light. Murliji seems to have forgotten this cardinal lesson. His handling of the ICHR and NCERT and history syllabus is done with such stealth and so much darkness that the outside observer is left baffled. If there is no light - how can the Truth emerge? |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 87 of 114 ) Check your history book, and tell me how many chapters are on mughal history and how many are on other great empires before the time. In particular note how Aurangazeb's crimes against hindus are whitewashed by the commie bastards who wrote the textbook. Also, note all the editorials in the english press which blames the victims in Godhra and EXCLUSIVELY focuses on the riots in Guajarat but not the godhra riots. Even a cretin like you should see that this is a clear biased behavior...or maybe you are of the opinion that bias is alright as long as it is not pro-hindu??? |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 88 of 114 ) shobha, If you have read Shourie's books then you have more than enough citations and references to prove the needful. I refuse to waste my time on cretins like you. |
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zimba68 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 89 of 114 ) dear shobha, the biggest menaces faced by the world today are the maoists and the muslims whether you like it or not!may be Hinduism has its faults but then tell me one single relegion that is complete!atleast, like all other religions (except islam and catholic christianity offcourse),is getting rid of its horrors like casteism, sati etc.But the maoists and the muslims are like cancer that spreads in a society and totally destroys the society.people like you, dear shobha, on the other hand keep on harping on a past that one should forget as a long nightmare.coming to the Ram mandir in Ayodhya, why do'nt the muslims ,looking at the sentiments of the majority, give up their claim on a structure which was not a mosque at all ! |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 90 of 114 ) Zimba68, you are absolutely correct. a bitch like shobha does not understand reasonableness. this smelly bitch needs to douche herself and clean her dirty mind and body. |
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shobha 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 91 of 114 ) Gentlemen worried about my purity need not worry. I hope the gentlemen who rant and rave against Maoist conspiracies and Muslim bias in history will be honest enough to see where the real bias comes from. Mr Shourie and Mr Joshi are the quintessential examples of bias. The fictionalization of the history syllabus by the RSS cabal will boomerang because a syllabus without credibility will lack any relevance. People will get their unbiased history from independent sources. |
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nirmal00 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 92 of 114 ) About luvmann and Karapall These morons talking about Gandhi or Nehru is like insect talking about Einstein. Great example !! It is easy to sit infront of a computer and spew venom about others. It doesn't take any courage or determination. But thank God people like you are not going to succeed; bcos you people are incapable of doing anything important other than writing hate messages on a bulletin board. ------------- All those 'defenders of Hindu culture' Will you please explain to me how most of India was ruled by Muslims from 11th or 12th century until 18th century if the Hindu culture was so great and the people were so brave. Were they incapable to of defending their kingdoms against invaders numbering a few ten thousand at the maximum. And then most of the coutry was ruled by British and other Europeans for 200 years. Defending the country against these invaders would have taken courage and planning and unity among the people. Thousands of people chasing innocent women and children and setting them on fire is not quite the same. That is a job for the cowardly. The fact that many of 'us' can defend such crimes shows exactly what is wrong with our country. You know why Hindus in ancient times couldnt defend their country against invaders ? Bcos a small group of upper castes were oppressing the vast majority. And the lives of this majority would have been the same whether the coutry was under Brahmin rule or Muslim rule or British rule. So these people had no incentive in defending the nation. And as for foul-mouthing Gandhi or Nehru : they were the ones (along with others like Patel) who led the fight which played a major role in gaining the coutry's independence. Of course there were other factors like the international events in the first half of this century. But India would not have won freedom if there already was not a strong national movement. BTW, all the earlier armed struggles had failed. -------------- << If anything, Gandhi partitioned India... and damaged the Indian Psyche forever. >> Probably you didnt know that India was around 500 different princely states at the time of independece. And the railways, civil administration and other things that make India one country today was built by British to facilitate their colonial rule. But I never understood why the Hindutva zealots hated partition. Without partition Indian would have had 30 crore more Muslims and they would have been even more influential in Indian politics. Will someone please explain it to me ? Is it their love for the 'glorious ancient Bharat'. Maybe they should stop burning innocent children first ? That would bring more glory. Or is this burning of children a continuation of burning of widows which was practised in their 'glorious ancient Bharat' ? |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 93 of 114 ) nirmal00 idiot, your name suggests what you are a double zero. this is a discussion forum and we are here to express our views. are you a retard, if we are not supposed to write then why have this forum at all. what are we supposed to do accept your version of history and communist lies and keep quiet about it. we are not to challenge your viewpoint and that will make us civilized. infact, i agree with a lot of what you said. not all of it. 1. no body is disputing the greatness of gandhi. we are disputing whether this philosophy is relevant today with muslim extremism. the answer is a resounding NO. why do'nt you have the guts to preach this non-vilence to the americans. they have killed thousands of innocents in iraq (more than 100,000) and Afghanistan (thousands). i do not support the killing of innocents in gujrat. the question here is why is the media silent about hindu deaths. why is the conbgress party not stalling proceeding because hindus died. are muslim deaths only important. give me your answer. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 94 of 114 ) nirmal00 idiot, you obviously have not read my postings. i have repeatedly ridiculed the hindus for their cowardice. a few thousand muslim invaders conquered the country by defeating indian rulers in a domino effect. the indians were stupid and selfish. this is the defining character of hindus and i have berated this always. the present day political scenario is the same. the congress party and now the BJP has joined those ranks are responsible for the current chaos. you have mentioned gandhi and nehru and then bracketed patel. that shows your bent of mind in not acknowledging the greatness of patel. it shows your bias. the fact is patel was musch greater than nehru anyday. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 95 of 114 ) nrmal00 idiot, if hindusim is so bad, go live in saudi arabia. with all its faults hinduism is far superior to islam any day of the year. are you telling me that muslim countries are your ideals. saudi arabia, pakistan, afghanistan, sudan, et al. let me tell you buddy that the socalled ills of hinduism are present in all religions. the caste system was not created by hinduism. it was absorbed into into. are you telling me that the thousands of communities in india were created in hinduism. you are an ignorant fool if you think so. india is a muticultural, multi linguistic,and multi ethnic racial country. no other religion could have done a better job. only imbeciles like you see all the negatives of hinduism. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 96 of 114 ) nirmal00 idiot, i strongly disagree with you about who created india. only foolish morons like you think that the british did that. fooolish ass, even the british acknowledged the influence of india in southest asia and called it indo-china. india's influence was far and wide before the decay of hindu and buddhist culture. may i remind you fool that thousands of buddhist monks were slaughtered in nalanda by the muslims. i have already accepted the selfish nature of the hindus and the cause for their downfall. that does not make muslims greater than them. the resaon the muslims won was due to several factors - hindu selfishnes, hindu disunity, hindu cowardice. that does not mean all hindus are like that. do not overlook the good points about hindus either. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 97 of 114 ) nirmal00 stupid ass, india was created by the hindus and not the british. it is a natural geographical entity bordered by the himalayas in the north and the indian ocean in the south. you are ignorant if you think the british created it. they ruled over it yes, not created it. even though india was ruled by kings and princesses and nawabs, it was one entity culturally, historically, and emotionally. stupid fools like you do not understand that. several great kings ruled most of india as one single entity many times in history. inter marriage and biradari were common from kashmir to kanya kumari. no indian felt out of place in any part of india including what is now pakistan. foolish idiots like you think otherwise. |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 98 of 114 ) nirmal00 idiot, you are a hindu hating foolish ass. the mistreatment of lower classes in india is historical in nature, a result of mixing of several races and cultures. it is unfortunate and condemnable. actions are being taken to aleviate the situation. today india is ruled by the lower classes socalled. from UP to Madras in every state the lower classes rule. so get off your fucking ivory tower and gandhian bullshit and smell the roses. let me tell you moron, inspite of what happened in Gujrat where hindus and muslims killed each other (it was not a one way street), india is far more civilized country than any fucking muslim country you can name. millions of muslims have been killed in muslim countries like pakistan, iran,iraq, algeria, egypt. India and Hindus can be proud at their recors. Go eat shit you motherfucker. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 99 of 114 ) Luwmann, Good points about the barbarism of Islamic states, which has been written by many external objective writers who have visited these barbaric states. The commies fukkers who seem to sympathize with the muslims should move on over and settle down in these arabic countries so that they can treated like the shit, just as they deserve. None of the cretins seem to understand that it is the docility and the sheer cowardice of hindus that makes them the victim to mindless muslims violence. Of course, not to mention the cheerleading of such attitudes by dishonest assholes such as the editor of Outlook Vinod Mehta. |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 100 of 114 ) luwmenn, From your posts, it is evident that you do not know the meaning of equal rights. You have no concept of equal rights. Your rights are rights of the majority remember? Your statement that you fight for equal rights and that history corrected will give you equal rights is laughable. You should try writing humour sometime, on second thoughts don't try - you saffron fiends don't have a sense of humour. But then you are such a great historian along with your pimps the Bajrang Dal, RSS and VHP. Is the great scientific experiment over - who burns faster Hindus or Muslims? What is the popular verdict? Which chapter of the history book should it be in - the revitalization of hindus and consequent Indian turmoil or democratic curry - modern Indian history? Oh yes.. there were no takers for the ban on religious/caste/language based parties and you think you support equal rights? Agnostic - now that is a good word. Yeah..right. You are good at sucking dicks. So keep doing what you do best. The BJP/RSS/VHP/SIMI must be banned. Lawlessness and those who promote it must be dealt with harshly - they are traitors and the world is better off with them dead than alive. As for hindus 'creating' India dream on. It amuses me no end when Jayalalitha is touted as the protector of the hindu religion. How about asking the fucking police where they were when the train was attacked? Oh I forget, in India we don't have laws everything is run by 'popular' demand. 'Majority' rules. Sure as long as you and your neighbours agree - you can kill your worst enemy and walk away unharmed. Why? 'Popular' demand. Only in India - the great 'civilization' that 'was' a long time ago - even Australia that was a penal colony does not have the lawlessness of India. What a tribute !! And if India was one country, emotionally etc... - WTF, what have you been smoking? Even in the Middle East 'muslim' countries there are laws - there may not be freedom to practice your religion nor a high standard of living but in the last century, you will never find a genocide the way it was carried out in Gujarat. You can live in Saudi Arabia but you will not be murdered because you are a Hindu. Your 'honesty' makes me want to puke. Be true patriots - relinquish your 'religion', put your nation first if you have the balls to do it. |
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topcat 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 101 of 114 ) South India should secede! The North Indian states are riddled with fanatics and criminals in politics. These states have lowest human development indicators in the country while the southern states(Kerala, Andhra, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka) have the highest. Problems such as killing of Sikhs, Muslims, Ayodhya, Kashmir, Pakistan, China, Assam which are bleeding the country arise because of the stupid barabrians living in the North Indian states. The Southern states have for 50 years ended up using their resources to pull these North Indians heads out of their asses. Now it looks like that is not going to happen. So the only alternative available to the four Southern states is to form a separate confedaration and secede from India. |
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nirmal00 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 102 of 114 ) luvvmann, Give me some more time. I'll respond to your posts. |
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Lehar 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 103 of 114 ) Jwalker you are a treat to read. You are just hillarious. Keep walking tall !!! BTW the 'Mensa' level split personality who goes under the dual name Karapall/Luvvmen (Sounds like a closet case) does believe in equal rights...that which you will find in an animal farm ALL men are equal some are ' More equal' especially if you are amongst the lunatic fringe in India today. If you are at the linatic fringe... You are the lord of the rings.There is no law that can restrain you. No government that can oppose you. No courts that can arbitrate. No adminsitration that dare intervene ..... Who the heck cares about development and poverty and justice ???? Right historical wrongs and rewrite history text books. That is the bottom line for equal rights !! |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 104 of 114 ) The cretin Lehar writes "you will never find a genocide like the one in Gujarat". Ever heard of the holocaust? you worthless steaming pile of ignorance. Secondly, all the Godhra victims were killed because they were hindus. If you check the dictionary, you will note that what happened in Godhra was also genocide. As for me, I would be interested to know how fast assholes like Lehar burn when you douse them with petrol and set them on fire...pure scientific curiosity, mind you. |
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Karapall 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 105 of 114 ) Cretins who scream about development, poverty, and justice should make up their minds whether they want to consider every Indian equal or whether this notion of justice and development will be defined by the commie/kaangress "secular" brigade in India (as it has been since independence). |
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luvvmann 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 106 of 114 ) jwalker (keep walking till you fall down) and lehar (u can make waves only in taliban land, not in civilized surroundings). you morons are hilariously ignorant. according to you the RSS VHP etc do not want development but ofcourse mullah omar, ben ladin, imam bukhari want progress. are you guys simply retarded stupid ugly or all of these. i think you are sub-monkeys not sub-humans. even monkeys have more brains than you. |
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Lehar 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 107 of 114 ) Luwman you are plain confused. To my mind, Mullah Omar and your chosen list of fundamenatlist specimens are not any different from the VHP and the RSS. They are tweedle dee and tweedle dum, alter ego, doppelganger....get me .. !!! How in Hades can ANYONE in their senses suggest that those in your favoured list ,like the Indian anarchists and vandals (VHP/RSS) stand for Development ?????????? Anywhere you have seen me suggest the Mullah Omar' and their ilk are pro development and poverty amelioration and justice ? Let me reiterate to dispel your confusion that I believe that the Mullah Omar's and thier ilk who will appear in any fundamentalist hall of fame side by side with Narendra Modi, MM Joshi and (the impostor Sardar Advani) DO NOT stand for development. To my mind like the VHP they stand for arson,looting, vandalism, subversion of rule of law and justice, subversion of government and self rule.... rewriting history....correcting historical wrongs ! They have one thing in common hijack of a religion which they are a slur on ! You are talking of civilised society even as you advocate barabrism ! Burning of women and children unarmed as they travel in a train and association by guilt in distant cities in brutal retaliation , with the connviance of the law keepeer is your idea of civilisation and civilised society ? Go back to your roots your primate ! You have no clue of what civilisation entails. Or you must have learnt is at the feet of those not so 'compassionate conservatives'. Move on pal, get yourself an education ! |
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nirmal00 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 108 of 114 ) **luvmann post 93** **infact, i agree with a lot of what you said. not all of it. 1. no body is disputing the greatness of gandhi. we are disputing whether this philosophy is relevant today with muslim extremism. ** Good. And I agree that non-violence wont work against Islamic extremism. Did I preach non-violence ? my response is the following. There is no excuse for what happened in Godhra. If you can find the people who did it, lock them inside a train and burn them. But killing innocent women and children in Ahmedabad and looting their shops is not 'legitimate reaction'. Or do you say that since 'revenge' has been done there is no need to investigate Godhra and punish the perpetrators anymore ? **why dont you have the guts to preach this non-vilence to the americans. i do not support the killing of innocents in gujrat.** As I said I dont support non-violence in this case and thats not what I'm preaching. I'm trying to say that India should uphold the rule of law and be civilized. And if you feel that Muslims behave in a medieval way, the answer is not to say that Hindus also should behave in a similar way. **the question here is why is the media silent about hindu deaths. why is the conbgress party not stalling proceeding because hindus died. are muslim deaths only important. give me your answer.** I'm not sure that the media is silent about Hindu deaths. But we didnt have time to see how everyone reacted to Godhra. The retaliatory killings started next day and everything was focussed on that. I didnt say that only Muslim deaths are important. |
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nirmal00 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 109 of 114 ) **luvvmann post #94** **nirmal00 idiot, you obviously have not read my postings. i have repeatedly ridiculed the hindus for their cowardice. ** Good **the present day political scenario is the same. the congress party and now the BJP has joined those ranks are responsible for the current chaos. ** You seem to have only criticisms, any suggested solutions ? **you have mentioned gandhi and nehru and then bracketed patel. that shows your bent of mind in not acknowledging the greatness of patel. it shows your bias. the fact is patel was musch greater than nehru anyday.** Patel died in 1950. He played a very important role in the integration of the country, but other than that he didnt play an important role in independent India. So even if you say that circa 1950 Patel's contribution was more, the fact that Nehru lived for 14 years more changes things. It is probably true that the Congress appointed historians probably pushed Nehru too much and portrayed him as a man who could do no wrong. But I think the BJP/RSS attempt to show that Patel was a greater man is just a reaction to the pushing of Nehru by Congress. Also the role he played in Somanth makes him their favourite. Infact I dont think this Nehru vs Patel debate is even relevant here. |
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nirmal00 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 110 of 114 ) **luvvmann post #95** **if hindusim is so bad, go live in saudi arabia. with all its faults hinduism is far superior to islam any day of the year. are you telling me that muslim countries are your ideals. ** Did I say that Muslim countries are my ideals ? No. And they are not my ideals either. BTW, although I was born a Hindu I'm not religious. But if I'm arguing with a Muslim or Christian about whose religion is better I'll do my best to defend Hinduism and find the faults in theirs. But I think the point here was to look critically at Hinduism. And it doesnt hurt to do that. **saudi arabia, pakistan, afghanistan, sudan, et al. let me tell you buddy that the socalled ills of hinduism are present in all religions. ** You are right. If a Muslim tries to lecture me about caste system in Hinduism and Islam's superiority, I'll be only glad to point out that slavery existed in Arabia under Islam. And how women are treated in many Muslim countries and what not. Same goes for America - they have their record of slavery, etc. And if someone tries to preach to you the superiority of Western civilization you only have to point at Hitler's extermination of Jews. Infact I think the debate about which religion is better is pointless. The followers of all religions are eager to point to the good things about their religion, and about the bad things they say it is not 'true Islam' or 'true Hinduism' or whatever. **the caste system was not created by hinduism. it was absorbed into into. are you telling me that the thousands of communities in india were created in hinduism. india is a muticultural, multi linguistic,and multi ethnic racial country. no other religion could have done a better job.** You're probably right. But then Hinduism is not a religion like Islam or Christianity. |
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nirmal00 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 111 of 114 ) **luvvmann post #96** **i strongly disagree with you about who created india. only foolish morons like you think that the british did that. ** OK, I dont want a debate on this. Everyone knows that Hinduism was a binding factor for most of the region between the Himalayas and the Indian Ocean. And there were many empires (Hindu and Muslim) before the British, which covered vast areas of that land. **even the british acknowledged the influence of india in southest asia and called it indo-china. india's influence was far and wide before the decay of hindu and buddhist culture.** You're right. But how is that relevant here. Are you saying a future India should include the South East Asian countries also ?! **may i remind you fool that thousands of buddhist monks were slaughtered in nalanda by the muslims. ** OK **i have already accepted the selfish nature of the hindus and the cause for their downfall. that does not make muslims greater than them. ** The Muslims who are now in India have actually more in common with Hindus in India than the Arab-Muslims whether they realize this or not. **the resaon the muslims won was due to several factors - hindu selfishnes, hindu disunity, hindu cowardice. that does not mean all hindus are like that. do not overlook the good points about hindus either.** OK, I agree. |
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nirmal00 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 112 of 114 ) **luvvmann post #97** **even though india was ruled by kings and princesses and nawabs, it was one entity culturally, historically, and emotionally** I dont buy that entirely. Hinduism is a common factor. But even in this case, the practices and customs in the South are different from the practices in the North. Even the holy places are different. Even though the people in the South are aware of the North Indian holy places I dont think they care too much. The places like Tirupati, Madurai, Guruvayoor etc are more important. Yes, the Ramayana and Mahabharatha are still the important stories. **several great kings ruled most of india as one single entity many times in history.** I agree. Not whole, but large parts. **inter marriage and biradari were common from kashmir to kanya kumari.** No I cannot agree with this. You mean to say that South Indians used to marry North Indians 1000 years back or 500 years back. |
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nirmal00 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 113 of 114 ) **luvvmann post #98** **you are a hindu hating foolish ass.** I'm not a Hindu hater. I'll defend Hinduism when I'm arguing with someone from another religion/culture. But I think it doesn't hurt to look at one's religion critically. ** the mistreatment of lower classes in india is historical in nature, a result of mixing of several races and cultures. it is unfortunate and condemnable. ** It is good that you accept that it is unfortunate and condemnable. But there are many who try to defend it. Trying to say it is based occupation etc. Such reasoning may have been valid before, but I dont think it is valid today. **actions are being taken to aleviate the situation. today india is ruled by the lower classes socalled. from UP to Madras in every state the lower classes rule. ** Why do you say UP is ruled by lower classes ? It used to be BJP, and I dont think Rajnath Singh belongs to backward class. Yeah, SP or BSP may get power in the coming months. **let me tell you moron, inspite of what happened in Gujrat where hindus and muslims killed each other (it was not a one way street), india is far more civilized country than any fucking muslim country you can name. ** Being a Hindu/Indian I'll agree. But as I said the argument about who is more civilized is pointless. And you're right - millions of Muslims have been killed in Muslim countries by other Muslims in the last 100 years. But the point here is to make sure that the same doesnt happen in India !! |
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jwalker 2/2/2002 5:17:24 PM ( 114 of 114 ) Luwmenn, Walk till you drop, Ha Ha...nice try, peckerhead. You seem to be getting a little creative. At least, I walk on my own two feet. You, on the other hand, crawl on your knees towards RSS/VHP dicks - yes those are the marks on your knuckles and knees. Even if you stand, your knuckles graze the ground. Everyone evolves to a higher being but there are exceptions to every rule - look in your mirror for evidence. Notice the puckered lips, the bloodshot eyes and dilated pupils. The puckered lips are evidence of the years of sucking RSS/VHP dicks (notice the marks on your cheeks yes that's why you have a stubble). The bloodshot and dilated pupils are the result of spending hours in front of the computer extolling the virtues of sucking RSS/VHP dicks when you should be outside building a temple, washing kars, licking your balls (if you can reach them). Futher down you have the classical beginnings of tits - evidence of a type of hormone not present in large quantities in men. And the presence of a mushroom shaped dick (less that 1 mm when erect) implies you were not meant to breed and in your case, the only site of grey matter. Of course your dick never gets to see sunlight with that potbelly of yours - try walking rather than karseva. You know your maker probably sneezed or had hiccups during your creation. I am sure they broke the mould after you were created. Now in which page of the history textbook do you belong? Damn those commies, no pseudo history. And your idea of equality and progress is to make everyone look and think like you? Ha Ha. No thanks, I think I will pass - I'd rather walk and be a man. |
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